Thứ Ba, 21 tháng 6, 2016

Windows 7 Speed & Performance Harshly Fell part 1


ishmael9100

Hey everyone. While using my PC today Windows 7's performance and speed harshly fell for no reason what so ever. I wasn't downloading anything, running any scans, defragmenting, nothing. It was just normal use of the Internet and sorting out my Media Libraries. Another thing I have noticed is that some features are not working for example, you know when you minimize a Window you usually see the Window drop onto the taskbar? That doesnt happen for me. It just disappears. Also, you know when you open a program and it fades in from the background? That doesn't happen either. Whats happening? Have any ideas what could be wrong? And sorry I made this post so long. Thanks!!



Petey7

What AV program do you use? It sounds like something got past it. I recommend downloading the free version of MalwareBytes (MBAM). After you get it installed, up date it (which might take a while), then do a quick scan. MBAM is usually good at finding stuff that slips past other AVs.

JMH

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ishmael9100 View Post
Hey everyone. While using my PC today Windows 7's performance and speed harshly fell for no reason what so ever. I wasn't downloading anything, running any scans, defragmenting, nothing. It was just normal use of the Internet and sorting out my Media Libraries. Another thing I have noticed is that some features are not working for example, you know when you minimize a Window you usually see the Window drop onto the taskbar? That doesnt happen for me. It just disappears. Also, you know when you open a program and it fades in from the background? That doesn't happen either. Whats happening? Have any ideas what could be wrong? And sorry I made this post so long. Thanks!!
Ishmael Hi and welcome

It seems like you are having two distinct problems.

First the internet slowdown, and second the window minimize. Lets work on the internet first

Are you running "homegroup" for networking? On some systems homegroup has connectivity issues. It uses a newer IPv6 and some older hardware has intermittent fits with it.

You can test that by creating a net network connection using "workgroup". If it works (and I think it might) you can disable the IPv6 and even remove the "homegroup"


Let us know if you need further assistance with this.

Jan

Solarstarshines

cntrl alt del go to process and end the program process then try running in administrator that might be a fix but just temporarly

basicly this is a methode i used when i notice a program failed to load because some reason windows had it in the process but it never went through or something else kept it from running but doing that should let you restart the program and use it corectly

ishmael9100

Thanks for replying! The AV I use is avast! 5. Also, I use SUPERantispyware for spyware. I've tried MBAM before and it wasn't going so well for me. It took a really long time to update. So I didn't bother. I will give it another shot though. Do you recommend any good AV that can be used with avast? Thanks.

Petey7

Once MBAM updates (which does take a long time the first time around) it is a good on-demand scanner. I scan with it about once a week to make sure nothing got past MSE. I wouldn't recommend using another real-time AV at the same time as avast!.

ishmael9100

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Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ishmael9100 View Post
Hey everyone. While using my PC today Windows 7's performance and speed harshly fell for no reason what so ever. I wasn't downloading anything, running any scans, defragmenting, nothing. It was just normal use of the Internet and sorting out my Media Libraries. Another thing I have noticed is that some features are not working for example, you know when you minimize a Window you usually see the Window drop onto the taskbar? That doesnt happen for me. It just disappears. Also, you know when you open a program and it fades in from the background? That doesn't happen either. Whats happening? Have any ideas what could be wrong? And sorry I made this post so long. Thanks!!
Ishmael Hi and welcome

It seems like you are having two distinct problems.

First the internet slowdown, and second the window minimize. Lets work on the internet first

Are you running "homegroup" for networking? On some systems homegroup has connectivity issues. It uses a newer IPv6 and some older hardware has intermittent fits with it.

You can test that by creating a net network connection using "workgroup". If it works (and I think it might) you can disable the IPv6 and even remove the "homegroup"


Let us know if you need further assistance with this.

Jan

I don't use any Homegroups for networking.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 View Post
Once MBAM updates (which does take a long time the first time around) it is a good on-demand scanner. I scan with it about once a week to make sure nothing got past MSE. I wouldn't recommend using another real-time AV at the same time as avast!.
Okay, thanks for the advice! I will give it a shot.

ishmael9100

Petey7 - Suprisingly, it took less than 10 seconds to download. Should I run a full scan or quick?

Petey7

Quick scan should be fine. If it doesn't find anything you can try a full scan.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 View Post
Quick scan should be fine. If it doesn't find anything you can try a full scan.
Thanks! One quick question. This may be a really stupid question but please bare with me, how do I mark a thread as "Solved" ?



Petey7

Click the red triangle in the upper-right corner of one of the post on the thread, write solved and click send. I wouldn't go calling this one solved until we make sure we've found the actually problem.

ishmael9100

I wasn't going to mark this one as solved yet, I was going to mark one of my previous threads as solved. Thanks for your help

karlsnooks

Let us know the results of running Malware Bytes and also how long the scan took--this will help us know if your system is corrupted by a version of malware which circumvents malware bytes.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks View Post
Let us know the results of running Malware Bytes and also how long the scan took--this will help us know if your system is corrupted by a version of malware which circumvents malware bytes.
Here is the LOG file:

Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware 1.46
www.malwarebytes.org
Database version: 4372
Windows 6.1.7600
Internet Explorer 8.0.7600.16385
30/07/2010 23:14:22
mbam-log-2010-07-30 (23-14-22).txt
Scan type: Full scan (C:\|)
Objects scanned: 329455
Time elapsed: 1 hour(s), 2 minute(s), 18 second(s)
Memory Processes Infected: 0
Memory Modules Infected: 0
Registry Keys Infected: 0
Registry Values Infected: 0
Registry Data Items Infected: 0
Folders Infected: 0
Files Infected: 0
Memory Processes Infected:
(No malicious items detected)
Memory Modules Infected:
(No malicious items detected)
Registry Keys Infected:
(No malicious items detected)
Registry Values Infected:
(No malicious items detected)
Registry Data Items Infected:
(No malicious items detected)
Folders Infected:
(No malicious items detected)
Files Infected:
(No malicious items detected)



Nothing harmful to my system was detected,

ishmael9100

And somehow I have noticed a dramatic increase of speed in Windows 7 after the scan. Maybe MBAM scared the little pieces of Malware off my system

Everything seems back to normal at the moment. I will keep you guys updated on whats going on and if it happends again.

Petey7

Definitely sounds odd. Well, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Let us know in 24-36 hours if things are still running fine. As soon as a problem reappears, feel free to let us know.

ishmael9100

Avast has a boot scan which is actually the deepest scan an AV can do since it is from Boot where infections have no place to hide as they do in a running OS or even Safe Mode.

Let's rule out hardware first: Run memtest86 CD scan for 5-6 passes, then test your HD using maker's full CD diag/repair scan: Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp.

Next run sfc /scannow to check system file integrity,.

Then check the Event Viewer>Admin view to google repeat errors to solution. In Advanced Tools accessed by clicking through the WEI score at Control Panel>System, check Performance log and Generate a System Health Report.

During these steps, watch closely the performance and report back any changes you notice from normal.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Avast has a boot scan which is actually the deepest scan an AV can do since it is from Boot where infections have no place to hide as they do in a running OS or even Safe Mode.

Let's rule out hardware first: Run memtest86 CD scan for 5-6 passes, then test your HD using maker's full CD diag/repair scan: Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp.

Next run sfc /scannow to check system file integrity,.

Then check the Event Viewer>Admin view to google repeat errors to solution. In Advanced Tools accessed by clicking through the WEI score at Control Panel>System, check Performance log and Generate a System Health Report.

During these steps, watch closely the performance and report back any changes you notice from normal.
I haven't ran the avast! scan yet but I have ran the memtest86 and it said that there were no errors. I couldn't find any Dell HD diagnostics. sfc.exe didn't do anything and in Advanced Tools, 3 problems were found.

Performance issues

-Drivers are interfering with Windows resuming from sleep mode.
-Programs are interfering with Windows entering sleep mode.
-Performance can be improved by changing visual settings.

Those were the only 3 I found. I clicked on "View performance details in Event Log" and there were lots of "Warnings" and "Errors" and only a few "Criticals" what do I do about those? Everything in the system health report passed. Nothing was wrong except that the Security Center wasn't detecting an active AV when I use avast! What should I do about that? I am going to run the avast! Bootscan and report back what happends.

Guest

You have a Western Digital Hard drive so use Data Lifeguard full CD scan. I use GWScan which is a version of Data Lifeguard that works on almost all models: Gateway Support Drivers & Downloads It unzips to C:Cabs where you can find ISO to burn to CD using ImgBurn.

It appears your Display driver is causing Sleep issues which makes it a strong suspect for other performance issues. Install the latest Win7 display driver from the Dell Support Downloads webpage for your tag number on bottom of laptop. Then test your performance and see if it goes to Sleep and wakes up correctly.

I would also make sure you have the latest chipset and sound drivers for your Dell. Is it an upgrade install from Vista, or did Win7 come with the machine?

Troubleshooting is an intuitive process that becomes clearer as you Google and study each error to understand it more. Start with the Critical errors, then Errors. If you have specific questions, ask back here.

ishmael9100

Thanks a lot for your help, gregrocker. 2 days ago I visited the Dell website and I downloaded all of the latest versions of my drivers that were made in 2010. So I doubt it has anything to do with my Display driver. I will revisit and download drivers. My performance is a lot faster than usual at the moment. Today, I deleted the Recovery partition on my Hard Drive because I had already created a Recovery Disk for Windows 7. My computer came with Vista installed and I upgraded to Windows 7 because for me, Windows Vista was slow. I have 150GB of Hard Disk space all together and the Partition was taking up 14GB so I thought I might as well get that back. Deleting the Partition seemed to have sped up Windows. I have just downloaded the Data lifeguard diagnostics and I will let you know what happends. Again, thank you for all the help you've given me so far!



ishmael9100

I ran the Western Digital Diagnostics scan and everything seemed fine. Everything passed and there were no problems. Results can be found here (I tried putting the photo inside of the forum but it showed up as a red X)

Petey7

As long as things are running fine, then I'd relax for the time being and write back if there is any change.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 View Post
As long as things are running fine, then I'd relax for the time being and write back if there is any change.
Thanks, Petey. I will report back any issues relating to this thread if something happends. Im not ready to mark as solved. So ill keep this open. Thank you to all that has helped!

Aphelion

If you don't use the Dell utilities you might consider for the future deleting the Dell OEM partition as well since it always seems to increase performance.

You'd then have the way clear for wiping the HD to do a clean reinstall using the Win7 install DVD, when the time is right.

The installer is nearly driver-complete with newer arriving quickly via optional Windows Updates. I would then only import Dell drivers if performance dictates, starting with display and chipset.

Keep any eye on msconfig>startup to uncheck freeloaders on your RAM/CPU. I only allow AV and gadgets to start with computer. The rest are wasting resources and/or spying.

Try also swapping out Avast for the even leaner MS Security Essentials, which installs in 30 seconds, updates then becomes invisible unless there is a threat.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ishmael9100 View Post
I will report back any issues relating to this thread if something happends. Im not ready to mark as solved. So ill keep this open. Thank you to all that has helped!
Did by any chance Avast do an update... (besides data libraries) when your slowdown started. Avast runs a background process that is known to slow some systems down.

Or... are you sure Avast wasn't doing a full system scan at the time.


Ap

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Aphelion View Post
Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ishmael9100 View Post
I will report back any issues relating to this thread if something happends. Im not ready to mark as solved. So ill keep this open. Thank you to all that has helped!
Did by any chance Avast do an update... (besides data libraries) when your slowdown started. Avast runs a background process that is known to slow some systems down.

Or... are you sure Avast wasn't doing a full system scan at the time.


Ap
Hey ap, Im not quite sure if it done an update or not. All I remember is W7 dramatically slowing down for no reason.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
If you don't use the Dell utilities you might consider for the future deleting the Dell OEM partition as well since it always seems to increase performance.

You'd then have the way clear for wiping the HD to do a clean reinstall using the Win7 install DVD, when the time is right.

The installer is nearly driver-complete with newer arriving quickly via optional Windows Updates. I would then only import Dell drivers if performance dictates, starting with display and chipset.

Keep any eye on msconfig>startup to uncheck freeloaders on your RAM/CPU. I only allow AV and gadgets to start with computer. The rest are wasting resources and/or spying.

Try also swapping out Avast for the even leaner MS Security Essentials, which installs in 30 seconds, updates then becomes invisible unless there is a threat.
Okay, thanks. I will try MSSE as i've already tried it once. I will try and see how they both work together. If not, then I'll take off Avast.

Guest

I'd run only MSE for awhile. No need for both, and you want to see if performance improves without Avast which may have a defect.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I'd run only MSE for awhile. No need for both, and you want to see if performance improves without Avast which may have a defect.
I uninstalled avast and kept MSE and there were no changes in performance. So I put avast back on. Another thing I noticed is that my Laptop Fan is running at insane speeds blowing out steaming hot air which is not normal...any ideas?

Faladu

Sounds like you are overheating. The leading cause is dust buildup. Try accessing the inside of your laptop enough to blow the dust out with a can of compressed air. If you feel confident, you can disassemble it a bit to get more access to do this. Otherwise ask for help from a tech friend or at your local shop.

Install Speedfan to monitor temps and give fans variable speeds if possible. Post in Hardware forum for more specific steps to control heat buildup.

Meanwhile elevate the rear of the laptop by about 1/2 to 3/4 inch for better air circulation.



ishmael9100

I'd try running a tweaking utility like Boostspeed and TuneUp utilities (get the trials), and see what they uncover.
I bought both and they make our systems purr, TuneUp keeps an eye out and it's system tray icon will add ! if there is something to look at, 3 PC License of TuneUp Utils 2010 at Target of all places for $20.
Boostspeed is $30 for all your PCs, cheap running well insurance.
Windows is notorious for degrading with use, defrag the hard drives, just general use will fragment and degrad performance of any Windows PC over time especially if no cleaning is being done.

ishmael9100

Win7 requires no tweaking other than normal system settings. It will work against you.

As those of us who beta tested it for over a year discovered with increasing amazement, it is nearly a perfectly balanced OS.

The only regular maintenance I do is monthly cleaning and ordering the HD using state-of-the-art CCleaner and Auslogics Disk and Registry defraggers.

Keep everything out of the msconfig>Startup list except AV and gadgets, run a lean mean AV like MSE, and watch your Event Viewer>Admin View to google repeat errors to resolution.

Faladu

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Sounds like you are overheating. The leading cause is dust buildup. Try accessing the inside of your laptop enough to blow the dust out with a can of compressed air. If you feel confident, you can disassemble it a bit to get more access to do this. Otherwise ask for help from a tech friend or at your local shop.

Install Speedfan to monitor temps and give fans variable speeds if possible. Post in Hardware forum for more specific steps to control heat buildup.

Meanwhile elevate the rear of the laptop by about 1/2 to 3/4 inch for better air circulation.
Yeah, I have Speedfan on here. Its a great software but it doesn't detect my fans. Im on my laptop now and the temperature seems fine. Its not hot or anything. I doubt its dust because I cleaned out the dust last week and its running fine. I think its probably because I have had it on for quite a while.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Win7 requires no tweaking other than normal system settings. It will work against you.

As those of us who beta tested it for over a year discovered with increasing amazement, it is nearly a perfectly balanced OS.

The only regular maintenance I do is monthly cleaning and ordering the HD using state-of-the-art CCleaner and Auslogics Disk and Registry defraggers.

Keep everything out of the msconfig>Startup list except AV and gadgets, run a lean mean AV like MSE, and watch your Event Viewer>Admin View to google repeat errors to resolution.
CCleaner - another great software. I run it everyday. It does an awesome job at cleaning any unwanted files. Usually when it cleans, I recover at least 101MB - 2GB of unwanted files. I've never heard of Auslogics software but I will give it a try. I also have TuneUp Utilities (Full Version) because it does a good job at keeping my PC clean.

Aphelion

Perfectly balanced greg? Auslogics makes boostspeed by the way.
I won't recommend it, unless I myself am using it.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Faladu View Post
Perfectly balanced greg? Auslogics makes boostspeed by the way.
I won't recommend it, unless I myself am using it.
Yes, indeed. Those of us who beta tested it on multiple machines for over a year learned over time that the old familar tweaks and service edits started becoming unnecessary, and then started working against us.

It was with sheer fascination that we watched a comparatively feather-light OS become instantaneous, bug free and ultimately perfectly-balanced.

Auslogics is a leading tech company in Australia and IMO make the best defraggers by far. They pay for making them free by selling the Boostspeed program which I used for years until it gradually became unnecessary as Win7 was perfected. .

In the same way, Black Viper has been put "out of business" by Win7 which one might say is now itself the Black Viper. He pointed the way to editing services to the bone, resulting in Win7's Manual fast triggers.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Faladu View Post
Perfectly balanced greg? Auslogics makes boostspeed by the way.
I won't recommend it, unless I myself am using it.
Yes, indeed. Those of us who beta tested it on multiple machines for over a year learned over time that the old familar tweaks and service edits started becoming unnecessary, and then started working against us.

It was with sheer fascination that we watched a comparatively feather-light OS become instantaneous, bug free and ultimately perfectly-balanced.

Auslogics is a leading tech company in Australia and IMO make the best defraggers by far. They pay for making them free by selling the Boostspeed program which I used for years until it gradually became unnecessary as Win7 was perfected. .

In the same way, Black Viper has been put "out of business" by Win7 which one might say is now itself the Black Viper. He pointed the way to editing services to the bone, resulting in Win7's Manual fast triggers.
Wow! Some very interesting information there.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
It was with sheer fascination that we watched a comparatively feather-light OS become instantaneous, bug free and ultimately perfectly-balanced.

In the same way, Black Viper has been put "out of business" by Win7 which one might say is now itself the Black Viper. He pointed the way to editing services to the bone, resulting in Win7's Manual fast triggers.
Well, not perfectly balanced... real-time operations are still (cr@p) not up to par.
(but does look promising)

The audio system is in shambles, a convulted ill-performing mess that often stops working or unloads drivers when a device isn't present as expected, all you have to do is take a look at the sound forum.

The overall feel is good, no doubt about it but there are still sections that could use work.

Real-time performance
Interrupt handling
Audio system

Ap

Guest

I should probably stroll over to Audio as I haven't had an issue I can recall with Audio on hundreds of installs once the correct driver is snugly in place.

My real time is a real good time.

ishmael9100

It is safe to say that Windows 7 performance is running perfectly fine now. I also opened up my Laptop and cleaned all of the dust out of the Fans and that increased the performance and battery life dramatically! Thank you everyone who has helped me on this Quest to regaining my Windows 7 performance!



Petey7

I'm not surprised cleaning the stuff out of the fans got things working better. If everything seems to run as smoothly as you remember it being when the install was new, we can indeed call this and opened and shut case.

ishmael9100

Rereading your thread, what was the time between deleting your Recovery partition and when performance lagged?

In the same way that we sometimes see performance improvements by removing the Dell utility partitions, you might have created a temporary issue deleting Recov partition which then repaired itself.

BTW: If you delete the OEM tools partition because you determine you have lost the links to the Dell utilities after Win7 install, or don't need them anymore, then you'd likely have to repair the MBR by making sure Win7 is marked Active, then running Startup Repair from the booted DVD or REpair CD up to 3 separate times with reboots.

Probably best at that point to wipe the whole HD to clean reinstall 7.

Enjoy Win7.

Petey7

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Rereading your thread, what was the time between deleting your Recovery partition and when performance lagged?

In the same way that we sometimes see performance improvements by removing the Dell utility partitions, you might have created a temporary issue deleting Recov partition which then repaired itself.

BTW: If you delete the OEM tools partition because you determine you have lost the links to the Dell utilities after Win7 install, or don't need them anymore, then you'd likely have to repair the MBR by making sure Win7 is marked Active, then running Startup Repair from the booted DVD or REpair CD up to 3 separate times with reboots.

Probably best at that point to wipe the whole HD to clean reinstall 7.

Enjoy Win7.
A clean install? Oh no I cant do that! I can't be bothered to reinstall all programs and such. Everything is fine right now so I will just leave it to how it is. =)

ishmael9100

It sounds like you didn't have the problem Greg describes to begin with, so I would indeed leave things as they are. It sounds like you got things working right and learned a lot about how to keep your machine running well. I would make a note of what Greg said just in case you run into such a problem on a computer you own in the future.

ishmael9100

Deleting a Recovery partition can cause unintended consequences so I was trying to understand if it might have caused the mysterious performance lag which went away.

I was referring to if you decide to delete the OEM partition as you deleted the Recovery partition, then it would be best at that time to consider a clean reinstall. This is because the MBR resides there on most Dells.

ishmael9100

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 View Post
It sounds like you didn't have the problem Greg describes to begin with, so I would indeed leave things as they are. It sounds like you got things working right and learned a lot about how to keep your machine running well. I would make a note of what Greg said just in case you run into such a problem on a computer you own in the future.
I have learnt a lot thanks to you & gregrocker. There have been others that have helped but I feel that you two have helped the most. I am definately going to note down what Greg has said just in case that happends.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Deleting a Recovery partition can cause unintended consequences so I was trying to understand if it might have caused the mysterious performance lag which went away.

I was referring to if you decide to delete the OEM partition as you deleted the Recovery partition, then it would be best at that time to consider a clean reinstall. This is because the MBR resides there on most Dells.
I had deleted the Recovery Partition before you made that suggestion. Also, the performance dropped before I deleted the partition so I think it has nothing to do with the partition being deleted. Something, I don't know what, caused it to slow down. Maybe a program or update maybe? I have no idea

Guest

When this happens, once you confirm it is chronic then work through repeat errors in Event Viewer>Admin View and Performance>Diagnostics logs, Generate a System Health Report, check if Problem Solution has been sent.

Next try to System Restore to before the issue arose.

Test hardware with memtest86 for 5-6 passes and maker's HD full diag/repair CD scan.

Run sfc /scannow to see if System Files have been corrupted.

Consider a Repair Install as a last resort before clean reinstall.

If Repair doesn't handle it then it is likely settings corruption or a program which can be isolated by clean reinstall then installing programs slowly with time to gauge performance changes.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
When this happens, once you confirm it is chronic then work through repeat errors in Event Viewer>Admin View and Performance>Diagnostics logs, Generate a System Health Report, check if Problem Solution has been sent.

Next try to System Restore to before the issue arose.

Test hardware with memtest86 for 5-6 passes and maker's HD full diag/repair CD scan.

Run sfc /scannow to see if System Files have been corrupted.

Consider a Repair Install as a last resort before clean reinstall.

If Repair doesn't handle it then it is likely settings corruption or a program which can be isolated by clean reinstall then installing programs slowly with time to gauge performance changes.
Sorry to ask, but is all of this necessary? I ask this because everything is running fine now, so there is nothing really to fix.

ishmael9100

Nope I only wrote it up in case it happens again.

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
When this happens...




Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Nope I only wrote it up in case it happens again.

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
When this happens...
Okay, thanks.

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