Thứ Tư, 22 tháng 6, 2016

ATI or NVIDIA part 1


DirtRider

It seems to me that I am seeing plenty threads on this forum and other forums of of people having issues with ATI cards but not any with people having issue with NVIDIA on W7. Personally I tried my first ATI card around 2 months back but eventually with all my issues I had with it I had it changed out and went back to NVIDIA.

So what card would you say works better for you?

Also see this thread Graphics Issues � What chipset combination?



baarod

ATI. I was an nVidia guy for a long time and especially liked their chip-sets for their integrated graphics. But then they forgot what efficiency and clever design was like Intel did with the Netburst P4s. Now we have to throw so much power at these cards they need special supplies and separate feeds. That just raised the price too much to be competitive with ATI which didn't need all that extra junk, was on a smaller fabrication process and as a result ran cooler on less power.

Darician

Nvidia. After 3dfx went under, I tried an ATI as I hated Nvidia for buying them out but good lord did their drivers suck; this was back in 2004 when ATI still made their own cards. I then finally caved and bought an Nvidia card and it was the smoothest I ever had as the install was cake.

Since then, I've bought only Nvidia cards. Recently, I took the plunged back into the ATI world but their drivers, although quite improved still suck compared to Nvidia drivers as they are more cumbersome to deal with whereas Nvidia drivers just sit in the background and shut up. Additionally, I found that on some lower end PCs where video acceleration is highly important to me, ATI cards don't accelerate WMV and WMV HD files whereas Nvidia cards do it with ease.

That, and CUDA has won me over. That's actually why I still have a GT 220, because I'm waiting on the lower end Nvidia Fermi DX 11 Cards such as a potential GTS 450 or 440, which would be perfect for me.

Wishmaster

ATI for me.

I have never really had any issues as many have had. But I only run a single card so that might be some or I may just have been lucky.

Manigue

ATI after several nVidia cards. Using two XFX 5770 crossfired with excellent results. Both with intensive graphic applications as well as games. Will be hard to go back to nVidia.

Lordbob75

/facepalm on another fanboy thread.

Despite the arguments this thread will generate, I will vote and post regardless...

In my personal experience, I have yet to have a real problem with an NVidia card I have bought. My first card was an ATI Raedon (I forget the model) which burned out on me, back before I really knew much about computers, and had my dad's friend drop in a new card (which turned out to be a NVidia 7500GT I think). That card has lasted me (and still works to this day!).
My next card was an NVidia 9500GT, because it was cheap (on sale for $40) and I was more familiar with NVidia cards. My current card is a NVidia N260GTX, and I really like it (I do with it had DX 11).

Now, this is the important part: I have yet to have a major issue with an NVidia card.
Before I bought the 260, I grabbed an ATI HD5770 from the shop and dropped that in the rig. I liked how the card looked, felt, and it was special because it was my first "high power" graphics card. I took my time installing it, took pictures, and just enjoyed how cool it was.
Then I turned on the computer.

Don't get me wrong, the card displayed just fine, etc. The problem was installing drivers. I couldn't. After around 8 hours of research (thats right, constant research) and finding LITERALLY almost no information (I did not find info on temps of cards (intending to OC), driver installations, etc). Just nothing! It was as if no one knew ATI made the card! There was next to no info on their site as well.
I downloaded drivers from multiple sites, etc. In the end, I got the driver to install by running it from command prompt (after having to figure that out), and waited for like 30mins for it to work.

To be completely honest, the card was great, it overclocked well, and I really, REALLY liked how it performed.
But it was the complete lack of information, the terrible support on ATI's forums (by its members and staff), and the TERRIBLE drivers (apparently it is a known FACT that ATI does not know how to code drivers....) that made me return the card and get an NVidia card.
I should say that I did go back and exchange it for a different brand (same model, from XFX to Sapphire) card to try again, with the SAME results.

So for me, I might try ATI again, but they have REALLY disappointed me with their drivers and support.
I would go NVidia if you want a stable and easy to install card.

~Lordbob

smarteyeball

I've done my time with ATI - I'll be going back to Nvidia next time around.

I've had just too many niggling issues that has soured the entire ATI experience for me. Great hardware marred by woeful support. 'nuff said.

DirtRider

All the years I have run NVIDIA I have just inserted the card loaded the software and that was it. None of this tweaking here and tweaking there to get it to work

Zepher

I've used both.
my gaming cards have been in this order:
ATI 9600XT
NV 6800
NV 7800GS
ATI 1950Pro
NV 9800GT
NV GTX260
NV GTX285
ATI HD5850

bobtran

I have used Nvidia for a long time now and as stated above the only problems I have experienced was with ATI cards. I do run multiple cards in SLI and still have not had a single hiccup with Nvidia, they just work.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to use.

thefabe

Nivida always. Just plug it in load drivers and go. With that being said I think ATI has come a long way and can't say I'm not going to give them a good look on my next build due to price and performance and the fact XFX is now offering them.Lifetime warranty is always a big part in my decisions with graphic cards.
But most likely will still go with 2 GTX 460's in SLI or 1 480 but who knows what will be avalible when the time comes. Fabe



hawkin90

I've only had one ATI card ever some years ago but quickly changed it to nvidia. Their drivers are amazingly friendly, and im such a physx/cuda fanboy, can't help it. My 480 SLI setup makes me a happy guy

OneSerious

I'll say what I do ever time this question comes up. I've never had an issue with either of two ATI cards I've had. I hear all this talk of driver problems and I can honestly say it has never happened to me. I install all the new drivers as they come out with no fuss. I had an Nvidia 8600GTS for a while too and to and it gave me no bother either. I will be sticking to ATI for my next card.

Lordbob75

As I have seen, ATI drivers work for some and not for others...
My friend bought the exact same card at the exact same time in his similar rig, and he had no problems with his.
Not sure what the deal is with ATI's drivers.....

~Lordbob

Pusspa

LOL my system specs make me seem like a liar. My excuse is, its kinda hard to change the graphics card in a laptop. but i think ATI has better tv-out.

smarteyeball

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by thefabe View Post
XFX is now offering them.Lifetime warranty is always a big part in my decisions with graphic cards.
With XFX, you need the warranty - they aren't the quality brand they used to be.

(2 out of 3 dead XFX cards has personally put me off the brand)

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Not sure what the deal is with ATI's drivers.....
No body knows what the deal with them is

cloud8521

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by thefabe View Post
XFX is now offering them.Lifetime warranty is always a big part in my decisions with graphic cards.
With XFX, you need the warranty - they aren't the quality brand they used to be.

(2 out of 3 dead XFX cards has personally put me off the brand)

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Not sure what the deal is with ATI's drivers.....
No body knows what the deal with them is
i still dont get it because in all my systems i never had a problem with any ati card, and never any problem with any Nvida card. i just dunno. i perfer Ati becasue its always worked for me

DirtRider

Well I have heard people say that if you run AMD with ATI it seems to work best so this may be the thing to remember. Personaly I cannot say never really looked into it as I have also always only been with Intel

cloud8521

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DirtRider View Post
Well I have heard people say that if you run AMD with ATI it seems to work best so this may be the thing to remember. Personaly I cannot say never really looked into it as I have also always only been with Intel
only my newest computer has been AMD, all the rest intel

pparks1

I've owned single card implementations of both and have been happy
Radeon 9700 Pro
GeForce 6800
Radeon X800XT
GeForce 7600GT
GeForce 9800 GTX+

If I were to buy another card this moment, without question it would be a Radeon 5850. Best bang for the buck, extremely quiet card, low power consumption.

Lordbob75

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DirtRider View Post
Well I have heard people say that if you run AMD with ATI it seems to work best so this may be the thing to remember. Personaly I cannot say never really looked into it as I have also always only been with Intel
NO NO NO.

Just to reiterate (AGAIN), this has absolutely no basis in fact.
PLEASE stop spreading this.

~Lordbob



thefabe

Out of the over the dozen or so XFX cards I've had I've only had to RMA 2 of then and since I live only 40 miles from their headquarters I could send it out on Monday and get it back by Friday.
But to be perfectly honest my prefered brand is Evga. Fabe

smarteyeball

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DirtRider View Post
Well I have heard people say that if you run AMD with ATI it seems to work best so this may be the thing to remember. Personaly I cannot say never really looked into it as I have also always only been with Intel
NO NO NO.

Just to reiterate (AGAIN), this has absolutely no basis in fact.
PLEASE stop spreading this.

~Lordbob
Actually there was one CAT release that claimed an X% performance increase on AMD+ATI systems (9.12?) compared to an Intel+ATI system.

Whether that was just ATI marketing hype that actually panned out or not is a matter of conjecture.

It didn't make any difference to bugs however.


The thing with ATI drivers and issues varies a lot between games. One release may work with title A,B,C but not D,E,F.

If you are playing title A,B,C with driver X that works - you'll never notice an issue. And thus be one of the lucky users that 'has never' had an issue with any of the drivers.

But if you try A,B,C,D,E,F with driver X - where d,E,F is broken/flawed - you're going to notice an issue.

Then again being a crossfire user just adds fuel to the fire.

Just last night, I fired up Dirt 2 for the first time in ages on Cat 10.7a and it was woeful - jumping and flickering and unplayable. Reverted back to 10.5a = perfect.

But single GPU's aren't immune to issues, but if you lucky enough not to notice any issues - then you are lucky

windows7user

I think ATI offers the most bang for the buck. NVidia cards usually get better framerates (performance) while ATI cards render graphics more beautifully (quality), when comparing cards in respective price ranges. For me, I don't care whether I get 50FPS or 75FPS, can't really tell the difference. I just want a card that will give me good graphics for the buck, so I go with ATI. Also, ATI cards tend to be more power efficient and don't heat up your system that bad.

Also, if I remember correctly, the ATI Radeon HD 5970 is the fastest and most powerful graphics card out right now and is of WAY better value than NVidia's fastest. The ATI Radeon HD 5970 performs at 4640 GFLOPS and costs around $650. NVidia's fastest, the GeForce GTX 480 performs at 1344.96 GFLOPS and costs around $490. So with ATI, you're getting 3.5 times more performance for only 1.4 times the price of NVidia. Now, that's what more bang for the buck is. Plus, even though the ATI HD 5970 is 3.5 times more powerful, it only uses ~50 more watts than Nvidia's fastest (or only 1.2 times more power). Talk about high efficiency. So in price, performance and power efficiency, ATI holds the lead right now.

Now, ATI is planning the new ATI HD 5970 Eyefinity which will add about almost another 1000 GFLOPS of graphics processing power.

My sources:
Comparison of Nvidia graphics processing units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Comparison of AMD graphics processing units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CarlTR6

I had plenty of trouble with Nvida cards. I stuck with Nvidia because my card was under warranty. After upgrading the card (and paying the difference in price), I played with five different drivers before I got rid of the freezes and blue screens. I have had no problems since then. It was an older driver that worked for me, the third one down on the list. The latest drivers, including the beta, did not work.

DirtRider

Well it has been said over and over that ATI is cheaper than NIVDIA. Personally I would rather pay double the price and know when I get behind my monitor and play a game I don't have to spend 90% of that time tuning the card in just for that game or never getting that game to run correctly at all as I had with the ATI card

cloud8521

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DirtRider View Post
Well it has been said over and over that ATI is cheaper than NIVDIA. Personally I would rather pay double the price and know when I get behind my monitor and play a game I don't have to spend 90% of that time tuning the card in just for that game or never getting that game to run correctly at all as I had with the ATI card
yet again, i have never done that for any game and they all work great

Zepher

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by cloud8521 View Post
Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DirtRider View Post
Well it has been said over and over that ATI is cheaper than NIVDIA. Personally I would rather pay double the price and know when I get behind my monitor and play a game I don't have to spend 90% of that time tuning the card in just for that game or never getting that game to run correctly at all as I had with the ATI card
yet again, i have never done that for any game and they all work great
Same here.
I just got the 5850 about 6 weeks ago. I removed the GTX285 and 9600GT and put in the 5850 and booted up, loaded the drivers, and it's been fine.
Played a few games in Eyefinity, Crysis, Counterstrike, and Borderlands.
Been playing Just Cause 2 as well, just with 1 screen though, should try it in Eyefinity sometime.

WindowsStar

Currently I am an ATI fan:

The last 3 nVidia cards I had all did not work for one reason or another. One card BSOD my machine at the end of the Vista days and BSOD my Windows 7 machine, nothing would fix it and Support had no clue.

I now have an ATI card in the same machine not a single BSOD so I know for sure it was the video card.

I feel each have their pros and cons.

kurahk7

IMO Both AMD and Nvidia have made great graphics card, both of them were easy to install. However I tend to lean towards ATI as my first choice but I would buy whichever card is on sale(I was aiming at the 5770/5750 and caught the 9800gt for $70)
Graphic Cards that I owned:
Nvidia Tiva TNT2
Nvidia Geforce 6150SE (onboard)
ATI Radeon HD 3650
ATI Radeon HD 3200 (onboard)
ATI Radeon HD 4650
Nvidia Geforce 9800gt
I think Intel IGPs and their new Intel HD Graphics should also be thrown into the comparison .

cloud8521

Im just not sure why people seem to be having so much trouble with ATI drivers. the only time (yes one time since their radon 7000 line) i have had a problem was with The Witcher, sidewalks were see-though. but they patched it and it was all good. that was the only time for many, many years that i have used the ATI line.



smarteyeball

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DirtRider View Post
I would rather pay double the price and know when I get behind my monitor and play a game I don't have to spend 90% of that time tuning the card in just for that game or never getting that game to run correctly at all as I had with the ATI card
That's why I have three different installations of Seven with a different driverset for each installation





Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by cloud8521 View Post
Im just not sure why people seem to be having so much trouble with ATI drivers.

That's because they keep bloody fixing issues and then bloody well go and break them again in subsequent releases... It tends to wear thin after a while.

So too does the promise of 'it will be fixed in the next release' response - sometimes it actually is, but more often than not it's several releases later that some issues are addressed.


My last nvidia card was a 7600GS so admittedly, my personal experience with current forceware drivers is outdated - but from memory there was a lot less flapping about overall.


Aside from game breaking bugs, it's also the little niggling things that also add up to an irritating experience overall.

For example, I have several manually created profiles depending on need.

ie A desktop profile with 3 monitors in extended mode, a single screen games/movie profile and an Eyefinity profile.

Going from Eyefinity back to my 3 monitor profile, 50% of the time I have to activate the desktop profile twice because it gets the monitor placement wrong.

I can't select portrait mode with 3 monitors, vsync is still 120FPS for Eyefinity and not 60 for 60hz monitors and so on and so forth etc.

So it's actually quite easy to understand the problems people have when you personally and consistently experience them. Particularly for the 5xxx series.


Conversely however, my other machine which is no longer a gaming rig which has a single 4850 has no problems. A lot of that has to do with the fact that it's not exposed to the areas which expose the driver flaws.



When I purchased my 5970, the 470/480 had literally just been released and I was disappointed with nvidias new offerings. That's why I stayed with ATI and tbh, it's a decision I regret.

mpcrsc562

Just my two cents:

I didn't participate in the poll as I don't have any reference between the cards. I have stuck with ATI, however, because I have never had any problems with their products.

smarteyeball

Kudos to all who have never had a problem with either camp.

CarlTR6

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
Kudos to all who have never had a problem with either camp.
Agreed. And that seems to be rare.

smurof7neves

NVIDIA because it's the only card I've ever used in my custom PCs (I had nothing to do with the selection, however)

Braveheart099

I used Nvidia GTX 470 but sold and bought ASUS ATI Radeon 5870 V2 included new ASUS Crosshair IV Formula with X6 1090T as Ive gone back to AMD from Nvidia.. I would say ATI seem better with big fan to give 17% cooler as Nvidia card as smaller fan that can cause hot when play in heavy gaming - when I load in heavy gaming it was over 95oC but for ATI 5870 it much cooler at 58oC all way...

Mellon Head

I like both. At home, we use ATI, but at work it's Nvidia. Both work well for me, and if I have to replace anything, I look at both brands of chipset. I usually buy ATI because they are a little cheaper overall.

The whole "You must use an ATI card on an AMD platform" is total BS, but I do have a personal rule of thumb. I use the brand of card that matches the motherboard's chipset, and the only reason I do that is that so I have no stupid little problems with drivers - both GPU and mobo drivers. But that's a personal choice of mine, it is not a system requirement.

kurahk7

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mellon Head View Post
I like both. At home, we use ATI, but at work it's Nvidia. Both work well for me, and if I have to replace anything, I look at both brands of chipset. I usually buy ATI because they are a little cheaper overall.

The whole "You must use an ATI card on an AMD platform" is total BS, but I do have a personal rule of thumb. I use the brand of card that matches the motherboard's chipset, and the only reason I do that is that so I have no stupid little problems with drivers - both GPU and mobo drivers. But that's a personal choice of mine, it is not a system requirement.
lol I usually use the same GPU as the mobo chipset as well simply because drivers are easier to install

Jester45

sli GTX 260(core 216) with a GTX 9800 as a extra CUDA card(little bit of physx) i love all three

WongJowo

SiS6326 4Mb PCi card
.
.
6600
X1650Pro
8600GT
HD4770
I really love my HD4770, so I vote for the red



cloud8521

one thing i hate about Nvidia is the fact that their physx is built to run best on their card. they use a crippled version for the CPU physics

Lomai

ATI

Lordbob75

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by cloud8521 View Post
one thing i hate about Nvidia is the fact that their physx is built to run best on their card. they use a crippled version for the CPU physics
They DO own it...

~Lordbob

Darician

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by cloud8521 View Post
one thing i hate about Nvidia is the fact that their physx is built to run best on their card. they use a crippled version for the CPU physics
They DO own it...

~Lordbob
This is true. It could very well have something to do with it. That's actually why I stick to them. It's not fair but the situation is what it is.

Nevakonaza

Hmm well i think both companies are as good as each other...When upgrading my GFX card i tend to go with what company is offering the best performing card for my budget at the time.

When i last purchased a gfx card it was between the 4890 and GTX 260...the 4890 was cheaper,more powerfull and had more memory so i purchased it.

The cards ive owned that i can remember.

Ati Radeon 9600 Pro 256Mb (This card was a beast at the time)..still got it actualy.
Nvidia 8800GT 512Mb...still got that too
HD 4890 1GB (Current card)

germulvey

I had issues years back with ati drivers but none with my x1950, currently using an nvidia 9500GT with no issues. Ati twinview seems to work better on my media system connected to a 42" plasma (using the x1950) I am looking at a new gpu and will look at price and power consumption as priority.

Rhammstein

I've had good experiences with both, but ATI was just too good for the money, performance wise, over the last 2-3 years, well since the 4000 series. Before then I preferred Nvidia.

I like Cuda, but I like Stream. I like Physx, but ATI cards are fully capable of hardware phsyx, it's just not necessary and developers don't really care. It's more of a tool for selling cards, which is why so few games use it, and even fewer use it well.

My history:

3DFX Voodoo 1/2/3
GeForce 2 MX400
GeForce 3
Radeon 9600 Pro
Radeon X800 Pro
GeForce 7800GS (Died)
GeForce 8500GT (Slow and HOOOT)
GeForce 8600GT
GeForce 9800GTX+ (GTS 250 basically, just slightly slower mem clock)
Radeon HD 4890 & 5970

F1FAN

Nvidia. they made the 4 series good cards. The 460. Low power usage (only needs 450w power requirement), quiet, due to nvidia's stock cooling fan. dx11, good overclocking, first drivers for the card have no reported issues, unlike ati and there 5 series.

A Guy

I voted nVidia, but that is what I've always used. Tell truth, I wouldn't hesitate to get an ATI GPU. I think most of the problems we see are actually related to CCC issues, rather than the card or it's performance. A Guy

Lordbob75

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
I voted nVidia, but that is what I've always used. Tell truth, I wouldn't hesitate to get an ATI GPU. I think most of the problems we see are actually related to CCC issues, rather than the card or it's performance. A Guy
I would agree with this. When I had my 5770, the card was great, the driver sucked.

~Lordbob



kilo52

i`ve been using Nvidia`s graphics cards for over 6 years and had a few issues but none were serious , Now, Only a month ago i had a new gaming machine built by an IT outlet using ATI`s beast of a GPU the HD 5970, ive been having some problems with driver crashes and such, but after a driver software update using the CCC the GPU seems to be running alot better, i guess only time will tell, On a whole ATI`s beast is a huge graphics card and performance wise it eats almost every game i throw at it, Whether it be flightsim X, Rfactor or crysis at max settings it certainly holds its own, For now i`ll hold firm in saying Nvidia is probably rated just a little bit higher than ATI.....Only by a wee margin.

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