I only have 3GB of RAM and only 2.73GB of RAM is usable. My games run really slow even on the lowest quality. How much RAM should I get so my games run faster?
4 is fine, except for high usage programs and games etc. I have 6gb and it is much more than enough. You will never show total 3 as usable.
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you probably have a slow CPU and your onboard video is not up to snuff.
what notebook or PC are you running?
what notebook or PC are you running?
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I only have 3GB of RAM and only 2.73GB of RAM is usable. My games run really slow even on the lowest quality. How much RAM should I get so my games run faster?
Having a CPU that can't cope with the Game can cause the Game and the OS to Slow down
I am using Windows 7 64-bit. That is all I know about the PC I am using. How much does RAM cost and where can I get it? How do I add the RAM into my computer after I take the cover off?
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I saw that you have lots of questions in your System Specs. Along with Speccy, it is good to know what the hardware is. Here is a good guide on what each piece of hardware is: Basic Computer Tutorial
Edit: that tutorial has to be ten years old... I can't find anything yet for Laptop components....
For internet speed if you ever wonder how fast your connection is, you can check it online here: Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test
Yet more info: This is your video card: Notebookcheck: ATI Radeon HD 3200
If you look at this link you can see comparable games and the fps (frames per second) that the card is capable of.
Edit: that tutorial has to be ten years old... I can't find anything yet for Laptop components....
For internet speed if you ever wonder how fast your connection is, you can check it online here: Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test
Yet more info: This is your video card: Notebookcheck: ATI Radeon HD 3200
If you look at this link you can see comparable games and the fps (frames per second) that the card is capable of.
Here is some infor that that software gave me:
Operating System: MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 45nm Technology
RAM: 3.0GB Single-Channel DDR2 @ 399MHz (6-6-6-18)
Motherboard: Acer RS780HVF (AM2)
Graphics: Q71-9 @ 1024x768 ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics (Acer Incorporated [ALI])
Hard Drives: 732GB Seagate ST3750528AS SCSI Disk Device (SCSI)
Optical Drives: ATAPI DVD A DH16AASH ATA Device
Audio: Realtek High Definition Audio.
I will update my System Spec soon.
Operating System: MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 45nm Technology
RAM: 3.0GB Single-Channel DDR2 @ 399MHz (6-6-6-18)
Motherboard: Acer RS780HVF (AM2)
Graphics: Q71-9 @ 1024x768 ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics (Acer Incorporated [ALI])
Hard Drives: 732GB Seagate ST3750528AS SCSI Disk Device (SCSI)
Optical Drives: ATAPI DVD A DH16AASH ATA Device
Audio: Realtek High Definition Audio.
I will update my System Spec soon.
Anyway, can anyone please answer my questions for RAM? I will recopy it here:
How much does RAM cost and where can I get it? How do I add the RAM into my computer after I take the cover off?
How much does RAM cost and where can I get it? How do I add the RAM into my computer after I take the cover off?
Bravo on the specs. the Ram that is in the computer might be as much as you can have, but I don't think it will increase game performance. Did you look at the link for your Graphics card?
I will check for more info.
I will check for more info.
I looked at the link but did not read much in it. How do I find out how much RAM my computer can have?
The graphics that you have is an integrated Graphics chip. your best bet for increasing performance is gonna be getting a dedicated graphics card. As for the Ram, I am having trouble finding a compatible stick. I think any PC2-3200 Ram will work, but it says single channel, so I want to make sure.
EDIT:I don't want you to mess up your system trying to add incompatible ram!
Also, Motherboards can only support so much RAM your board should support 4GB of RAM, but Im having trouble finding any Motherboard info online.
Still. your best upgrade right now would be getting a dedicated graphics card.
Edit: As for that ^^^ you still need to know what your motherboard can use. found better info
EDIT:I don't want you to mess up your system trying to add incompatible ram!
Also, Motherboards can only support so much RAM your board should support 4GB of RAM, but Im having trouble finding any Motherboard info online.
Still. your best upgrade right now would be getting a dedicated graphics card.
Edit: As for that ^^^ you still need to know what your motherboard can use. found better info
so a better graphics cards will increase graphics AND performance or just graphics?
Acer Motherboard RS780HVF
Please see below for the Memory ( RAM ) upgrade options available for the Acer Motherboard RS780HVF.
Memory Details for the Acer Motherboard RS780HVF
Standard Memory :0MB (Removable) Maximum Memory :8GB Total Memory Slots :4 Memory Type
DR2 PC2-5300 (667MHz) DIMM Notes :
Please see below for the Memory ( RAM ) upgrade options available for the Acer Motherboard RS780HVF.
Memory Details for the Acer Motherboard RS780HVF
Standard Memory :0MB (Removable) Maximum Memory :8GB Total Memory Slots :4 Memory Type
DR2 PC2-5300 (667MHz) DIMM Notes : Your performance issue is your video card. that will increase your ability to increase the resolution and the quality in the game and the game will play at normal speeds rather than slowing down when you try to play. Integrated video cards and gaming do not go well together.
a little. because the chip is integrated, the 512 memory its using is from your 3GB of ram. the chip is using a chunk of it. A dedicated card would allow you to run the graphics without needing to use the 512m of RAM that the chip is using. I can't say what is the best card for your case though. I don't have enough info. I am also not there looking at it to really tell you.
From info I have found, you should be able to use 8GB of RAM. so you could upgrade that. But I cant find your PCI slot type which is important. If you can take it to a computer shop, they can open it up and tell you what kind of slot you have and what kind of card you can use. Thats my best advice for now. I don't know how to find out more info. This Acer mobo has no info online. like none at all.....
From info I have found, you should be able to use 8GB of RAM. so you could upgrade that. But I cant find your PCI slot type which is important. If you can take it to a computer shop, they can open it up and tell you what kind of slot you have and what kind of card you can use. Thats my best advice for now. I don't know how to find out more info. This Acer mobo has no info online. like none at all.....
Also, keep in mind that your computer probably has a small power supply (250-300w) which is probably adequate for what you currently have in the box...but if you plan to add a nice higher end card...you are most likely going to be looking at upgrading your power supply as well.
As for what Doc said, you can use 667mhz RAM, but with RAM if you have 400mhz RAM already installed, running both will set all to the lower speed. I didn't know you could use PC2-5300 (667mhz)... the info I saw from your specs is that you are currently using PC2-3200 (399mhz)
If you upgrade you RAM, it would probably be best just o get a 2x2 kit (4GB) and get rid of what you currently have. Rather than trying to find a match, or mix & match RAM.
However, as others have already suggested.... and I too agree.
Adding more RAM will likely not help gaming performance.
4GB is the sweet spot for 7, but with 3Gb you should be fine. Also, with a dedicated graphics card, you will have the full use of your 3GB, so you'll gain 256MB of useable RAM.
The most noticable improvement will be getting a dedicated Graphics Card and disabling the onboard.
But you may need to look into a bigger Power Supply as well.
After you get the GPU and Power Supply upgraded, you should see a significant improvement in games.
After that, then worry about upgrading to 4GB of RAM if you still want to.
That would be my suggestion if the purpose here is for games to play better.
However, as others have already suggested.... and I too agree.
Adding more RAM will likely not help gaming performance.
4GB is the sweet spot for 7, but with 3Gb you should be fine. Also, with a dedicated graphics card, you will have the full use of your 3GB, so you'll gain 256MB of useable RAM.
The most noticable improvement will be getting a dedicated Graphics Card and disabling the onboard.
But you may need to look into a bigger Power Supply as well.
After you get the GPU and Power Supply upgraded, you should see a significant improvement in games.
After that, then worry about upgrading to 4GB of RAM if you still want to.
That would be my suggestion if the purpose here is for games to play better.
Scan your system with this tool ( RAM Memory Upgrade: Dell, Mac, Apple, HP, Compaq. USB drives, flash cards, SSD at Crucial.com ) Then you will know what your options are and how much it will cost. Installing RAM is easy - we'll discuss that later.
So which dedicated graphics card will work on my computer?
new question: It looks like my computer can hold up to a total of 8GB. I found a compatible package to get 8GB of RAM. I do think 8GB of RAM will make a difference from 3GB. Will it? Will it increase the performance of games?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Danielzxzx new question: It looks like my computer can hold up to a total of 8GB. I found a compatible package to get 8GB of RAM. I do think 8GB of RAM will make a difference from 3GB. Will it? Will it increase the performance of games?
I don't game much, but I upgraded my system from 2GB to 4GB, and I use less than 1.6GB of memory. So in effect, the 2GB I added is ALMOST ALWAYS sitting there doing nothing.
Upgrading the video will:
1) Give you better performance for video
2) Free up a little available RAM
3) Free up CPU cycles slightly, since some video functions will be performed by the GPU on the card instead of your CPU
Even a modest video card (like an ATI Radeon 43xx) will definitely give you some improvement, going higher end (if possible with your power supply) will provide even better improvements.
Extra memory can decrease paging etc, but at 3GB you have a reasonable amount of RAM already. More might help a little, but no guarantees...
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the 2GB I added is ALMOST ALWAYS sitting there doing nothing.
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the 2GB I added is ALMOST ALWAYS sitting there doing nothing.
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the 2GB I added is ALMOST ALWAYS sitting there doing nothing.
Ideally you will see something like this = all RAM is used:
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Danielzxzx new question: It looks like my computer can hold up to a total of 8GB. I found a compatible package to get 8GB of RAM. I do think 8GB of RAM will make a difference from 3GB. Will it? Will it increase the performance of games?
If you don't upgrade your video card and your PSU, then the extra ram may not benefit you.
How do I get to the resource manager?
E.g. via Task Manager > Performance tab. There is a button. Btw: My bad, the exact name is Resource Monitor - you can also put it into the start/search field.
Well it seems to be balanced. I have more gray than you though. Wehn I have a game launched it kind of goes out of balance. There is 2MB of free as average. If I play a wii game on my dolphin emulator it goes to 0MB of free and the game kind of lags. So that is what it is. If you want to see a picture I don't know how to put pictures in this forum so you would have to tell me.
Picture posting is easy. Just click on the paper clip on top right of the message window, then browse to your pic, double click on it and click on upload. Then the pic will appear in the posting. But you have to post a couple of words too, else the system will not accept the posting.
Ok here it is without any game running.
Here is is with a game running: Unreal Tournament 2004. I don't feel like making one with a game running on the dolphin wii emulator so I will describe it. It is like the one for a game running except there is 0MB of free left and the game find of lags.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Danielzxzx new question: It looks like my computer can hold up to a total of 8GB. I found a compatible package to get 8GB of RAM. I do think 8GB of RAM will make a difference from 3GB. Will it? Will it increase the performance of games?
I would have to concur - your free memory goes down to ~200MB, but you still have over a GB on the standby list that is basically free, because those pages have been marked to be paged out if your system needs that memory. Given you have ~200MB actually on the free list, they probably aren't needed when UT2K4 is running, although the dolphin Wii emulator is a memory hog (for legit reasons), so memory would help in that scenario. I would have to say that overall, though, memory is not really a problem here. In most gaming scenarios, it's going to be a CPU or video card bottleneck, and given we're talking about gaming, the latter is even more likely. However, the ATI Radeon 3200 in your system would indicate you're on a laptop, so unless it's a gaming laptop or an upgradeable one (not just RAM) you might not have many options at all to make the system play games better.
cluberti, It is not a laptop, it is a desktop so that might give more options.
It being a desktop gives you all the options in the world. After looking at your specs I'd say you need to read up on the specs of your video card, and invest in something that is a all-around better card. Doesn't have to be by much. If you find something you can write back to us and have one of us look over the card for you.
I will update my system specs soon as I got the answer to most of my questions in my system specs.
Anyway, I'll look for a graphics card that is not too expensive but I think is compatible for my computer and will improve graphics and performance.
Anyway, I'll look for a graphics card that is not too expensive but I think is compatible for my computer and will improve graphics and performance.
Wow, I had never seen a Radeon 3200 anywhere but a laptop - I stand corrected (the 3200 is the IGP on the AMD780g chipset, which is usually on laptop motherboards, but a quick search did turn up some desktop motherboards from 2008). A desktop does indeed give you many more options, although the Radeon 3200 is really just a Radeon 2400 in disguise with some additional features bolted on (none of which increase it's performance in DirectX, so no real gaming increase).
I would have to agree - going beyond 4GBs of RAM will probably not do much for you. More RAM may be used for additional caching depending on the type of program you will be running - and that increases performance. But for gaming, a decent graphics card will probably do you more good.
8GB of RAM will only help you in certain situations.
1. Running multiple Virtual Machines
2. Heavy Video Encoding work (Primarily HD content)
Even then, it likely will not use all of it. I do alot of heavy HD encoding and typically can reach around 5.5GB of use with 8GB installed. But thats also with many other things going on at the same time.
3. Some of the more heavy Photoshop work and 3D rendering.
Although it will help slightly doing these type of things, 4GB would still be sufficent IMO. 8GB will only be useful is you do these types of things very often.
As stated already, as far as Gaming & amount of RAM is concerned, 8GB is simply too much. 4GB is plenty (At least at this point)
So as many have stated, and I too agree:
For 90% of everyone 4GB of physical RAM is more than enough.
The rest that can make use of it will see the benefits, but could get by with out as well.
Also remember, More RAM (4x2GB) puts more of a strain on the system, Or more heat. many may not see this a issue, but something to think about none-the-less.
Especially if you really do not need all that extra RAM.
For gaming, your better off getting a good set of 2x2GB RAM, and put that money youd save from that second set towards a better GPU,CPU,SSD for the OS, or a better Power Supply (if needed for the GPU) even. You'll see far better results.
1. Running multiple Virtual Machines
2. Heavy Video Encoding work (Primarily HD content)
Even then, it likely will not use all of it. I do alot of heavy HD encoding and typically can reach around 5.5GB of use with 8GB installed. But thats also with many other things going on at the same time.
3. Some of the more heavy Photoshop work and 3D rendering.
Although it will help slightly doing these type of things, 4GB would still be sufficent IMO. 8GB will only be useful is you do these types of things very often.
As stated already, as far as Gaming & amount of RAM is concerned, 8GB is simply too much. 4GB is plenty (At least at this point)
So as many have stated, and I too agree:
For 90% of everyone 4GB of physical RAM is more than enough.
The rest that can make use of it will see the benefits, but could get by with out as well.
Also remember, More RAM (4x2GB) puts more of a strain on the system, Or more heat. many may not see this a issue, but something to think about none-the-less.
Especially if you really do not need all that extra RAM.
For gaming, your better off getting a good set of 2x2GB RAM, and put that money youd save from that second set towards a better GPU,CPU,SSD for the OS, or a better Power Supply (if needed for the GPU) even. You'll see far better results.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Thorsen As for what Doc said, you can use 667mhz RAM, but with RAM if you have 400mhz RAM already installed, running both will set all to the lower speed. I didn't know you could use PC2-5300 (667mhz)... the info I saw from your specs is that you are currently using PC2-3200 (399mhz)
Ok here is the pictures. I had to make 2 pictures to get all the info.
Yep, DDR2 800 RAM. I stand by what I said before. Go for a new video card.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 Yep, DDR2 800 RAM. I stand by what I said before. Go for a new video card.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 Yep, DDR2 800 RAM. I stand by what I said before. Go for a new video card.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by whs How come I do not see DDR2 800. I see DDR2 400 with a high CAS latency.
If it helps any Speccy shows mine the exact same way and I know for a fact that it is DDR2 800 in mine.What would be interesting is if those 2 sticks (1 GB and 2 GB) will work in dual channel mode if put in the proper slots (usually 1-2/3-4 or 1-3/2-4).
ok so is there any way to find out which graphics card is compatible?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Danielzxzx ok so is there any way to find out which graphics card is compatible?
Ok, I will look for a graphics card that is not too expensive and when I found one, I'll tell you and see if it is good enough.
Not sure what your budget is but a couple suggestions if you care to look.
This 4850 would be 1 good choice:
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100273L Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
The downdside is doesn't have DX11 capability but can do DX10.1.
It also uses a bit more power than the 5K series.
This 5770 is a decent card and uses less power. it is also capable of DX 11, but costs more.
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
As far as a PSU:
400W (30A) Corsair
Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
Or
450W (33A) Corsair
Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
If DX11 isnt a huge deal to you, I would go with the 4850 and one of the 2 Power Supplies.
The 400W should be able to power a single 4850 without issue. the 450 will give just a little more headroom for future upgrades.
Should also be a huge improvement gaming for you.
But, it really comes down to preference and budget I suppose.
Just some thoughts and suggestions.
Found this earlier looking around. A comparison of power use for a few ATI cards. If it helps any.
This 4850 would be 1 good choice:
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100273L Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
The downdside is doesn't have DX11 capability but can do DX10.1.
It also uses a bit more power than the 5K series.
This 5770 is a decent card and uses less power. it is also capable of DX 11, but costs more.
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
As far as a PSU:
400W (30A) Corsair
Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
Or
450W (33A) Corsair
Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
If DX11 isnt a huge deal to you, I would go with the 4850 and one of the 2 Power Supplies.
The 400W should be able to power a single 4850 without issue. the 450 will give just a little more headroom for future upgrades.
Should also be a huge improvement gaming for you.
But, it really comes down to preference and budget I suppose.
Just some thoughts and suggestions.
Found this earlier looking around. A comparison of power use for a few ATI cards. If it helps any.
I might go with the 4850 as it is cheaper and it should work. DX11 is not a big deal to me since I don't even know what things require DX11. If you know any, tell me since I would like to know to make sure the I don't have anything that uses DX11. Anyway, so 4850 should increase performance and graphics in games but what my dolphin wii emulator. Those games require really good computer. Would 4850 be good enough to take out the lag in my dolphin wii emulator?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster 8GB of RAM will only help you in certain situations.
1. Running multiple Virtual Machines
2. Heavy Video Encoding work (Primarily HD content)
Even then, it likely will not use all of it. I do alot of heavy HD encoding and typically can reach around 5.5GB of use with 8GB installed. But thats also with many other things going on at the same time.
3. Some of the more heavy Photoshop work and 3D rendering.
1. Running multiple Virtual Machines
2. Heavy Video Encoding work (Primarily HD content)
Even then, it likely will not use all of it. I do alot of heavy HD encoding and typically can reach around 5.5GB of use with 8GB installed. But thats also with many other things going on at the same time.
3. Some of the more heavy Photoshop work and 3D rendering.
One of our HD workstations only has 2GB of ram and when doing encodes, the source footage is on one drive and the encode gets written to another drive.
If I were you I would get 4GB of ram or more if possible. If you game a lot than 4-6GB should be great. I currently have 4GB of DDR3 in my laptop and it runs Modern Warfare and Battlefield and Starcraft 2 just fine.
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