I plan to install Windows 7 on a shiny new Partiot Torqx 128GB SSD. I have used this method in the past for new disks. I see no reason why it wouldn't work on an SSD but am I right? The method just uses diskpart (cmd prompt) Would it be just as good to plug it into my working system and create an active partition then install form there and delete the old installation on the other disk?
Here is the method that I know works fine.
During Setup, if you create a new partition on a clean HDD (no partitions), or delete all partitions and then create a new one - from the Partition screen in Setup, Win7 will create the 100MB boot partition, and you can't stop it/cancel it. If you want to install Win7 to a clean HDD, but don't want the boot partition do this:
At the first setup screen (Language, Keyboard, etc.) press SHIFT+F10. This will open a command prompt window. Enter the following diskpart commands to create a partition.
- Diskpart
- List disk
(this command is important. It will show you what disk drives you have. Most likely your hard drive will be will be Disk 0, but you need to check it first.)
- select disk 0
- clean
- create partition primary size=60000
(this creates a partition 60GB in size. If you want to use the whole hard drive, just leave off the size=number)
- select partition 1
- active
- format fs=ntfs quick
Type Exit to leave Diskpart. Type Exit to close the command prompt. Now continue with the install. When you get to the partition screen, highlight the partition you just created and click Next. Windows will install to the partition you created and not create the 100MB boot partition. Instead, you will see a C:\Boot folder when the install is finished (like Vista has).
Here is the method that I know works fine.
During Setup, if you create a new partition on a clean HDD (no partitions), or delete all partitions and then create a new one - from the Partition screen in Setup, Win7 will create the 100MB boot partition, and you can't stop it/cancel it. If you want to install Win7 to a clean HDD, but don't want the boot partition do this:
At the first setup screen (Language, Keyboard, etc.) press SHIFT+F10. This will open a command prompt window. Enter the following diskpart commands to create a partition.
- Diskpart
- List disk
(this command is important. It will show you what disk drives you have. Most likely your hard drive will be will be Disk 0, but you need to check it first.)
- select disk 0
- clean
- create partition primary size=60000
(this creates a partition 60GB in size. If you want to use the whole hard drive, just leave off the size=number)
- select partition 1
- active
- format fs=ntfs quick
Type Exit to leave Diskpart. Type Exit to close the command prompt. Now continue with the install. When you get to the partition screen, highlight the partition you just created and click Next. Windows will install to the partition you created and not create the 100MB boot partition. Instead, you will see a C:\Boot folder when the install is finished (like Vista has).
Good stuff! +Rep
These commands are very useful to know. I used a similar process to fix one of my computers just yesterday.
P.S. - Keep in mind Bitlocker won't be able to encrypt your Windows partition if you do this. (I use Truecrypt anyways)
These commands are very useful to know. I used a similar process to fix one of my computers just yesterday.
P.S. - Keep in mind Bitlocker won't be able to encrypt your Windows partition if you do this. (I use Truecrypt anyways)
Yip, no Bitlocker and thank you sup3rsprt. The method works great.
I just want to make sure I will have no problem using this to install Windows 7 on a new SSD 128GB (solid state disk)
I plan to take to HD I have now with Windows 7 installed, use this method to do a fresh install on th SSD then plug the regular HD back in and format it.
I imagine it should work fine, if anyone has info to the contrary please let me know.
I just want to make sure I will have no problem using this to install Windows 7 on a new SSD 128GB (solid state disk)
I plan to take to HD I have now with Windows 7 installed, use this method to do a fresh install on th SSD then plug the regular HD back in and format it.
I imagine it should work fine, if anyone has info to the contrary please let me know.
Nice guide mate, +1 for ya!
But actually i'm doing a little different, shortly,
Diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
list partition
select partition 1
format fs=ntfs quick
I just skip some steps.
But actually i'm doing a little different, shortly,
Diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
list partition
select partition 1
format fs=ntfs quick
I just skip some steps.
Thank you for the simplified option John Henry. That would probably work just fine.
BTW I have read that a disk image created with any program including Windows 7 will not transfer to ad SSD. Does anyone know if this is true?
BTW I have read that a disk image created with any program including Windows 7 will not transfer to ad SSD. Does anyone know if this is true?
Quote:
John Henry
Nice guide mate, +1 for ya!
But actually i'm doing a little different, shortly,
Diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
list partition
select partition 1
format fs=ntfs quick
I just skip some steps.
Nice guide mate, +1 for ya!
But actually i'm doing a little different, shortly,
Diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
list partition
select partition 1
format fs=ntfs quick
I just skip some steps.
nate42nd posted the whole process of creating a partition on a harddisk that was cleaned of all existing partitions, valid for new disks.
So your addition is no gain. You didn't help much.
Everyone knows how to run diskpart. And for those who don't know, diskpart is very well documented.
Thanks nate42nd.
(the 100 mb partition is created only for 64 bit version and not for 32 bit)
NO thanks john henry
�� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd 
Thank you for the simplified option John Henry. That would probably work just fine.
BTW I have read that a disk image created with any program including Windows 7 will not transfer to ad SSD. Does anyone know if this is true?
BTW I have read that a disk image created with any program including Windows 7 will not transfer to ad SSD. Does anyone know if this is true?
Tom
I have seen in several posts that members do not want to install the 100mb partition. Can someone tell me the benefits and the problems associated with deleting the 100mb partition?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by richc46 I have seen in several posts that members do not want to install the 100mb partition. Can someone tell me the benefits and the problems associated with deleting the 100mb partition?
I have a question for you gurus. I have a new SSD and have already created a partition. I do this so I don't have to use this method when I install. However I understand with an SSD you want Windows 7 to create the partition at install to "align" it properly. Does this mean when you install, you can just delete the existing partition and let the installer make one? SO you would:
Delete the partition with the install disk
Make the new partition
Format it - NTFS
And install
OR
Simply do the install normally with the partition created with Windows 7 in disk management?
Witch one would "align" the partition for the SSD. Does anyone know?
Nate,
If you create the OS partition yourself with the Windows 7 installation disk, I'm not sure whether the install disk knows to align it properly, but it might. And I believe W7 only creates the System Reserved partition when the disk is raw.
It seems that Windows 7 aligns both the System Reserved partition and the OS partition on a cleared (raw) hard drive. That's how it's been, for me at least, on 20-25 W7 installations to SSDs.
So.... you could let Windows 7 create both partitions from a raw disk and just live with the 100mb partition or you could align and format a single OS partition with diskpar. You could also let W7 create both partitions from a raw drive and then delete the 100 mb partition, leaving it unallocated, since the OS partition would be aligned. In fact, you might want to check the alignment of the disk as you have it formatted and if it's okay, install directly to that partition.
In any event, correct alignment is critical for the SSD. If you need any links on aligning partitions with diskpar, etc., let me know.
Tom
p.s. Not answered as a guru; I'm just up late.....lol
If you create the OS partition yourself with the Windows 7 installation disk, I'm not sure whether the install disk knows to align it properly, but it might. And I believe W7 only creates the System Reserved partition when the disk is raw.
It seems that Windows 7 aligns both the System Reserved partition and the OS partition on a cleared (raw) hard drive. That's how it's been, for me at least, on 20-25 W7 installations to SSDs.
So.... you could let Windows 7 create both partitions from a raw disk and just live with the 100mb partition or you could align and format a single OS partition with diskpar. You could also let W7 create both partitions from a raw drive and then delete the 100 mb partition, leaving it unallocated, since the OS partition would be aligned. In fact, you might want to check the alignment of the disk as you have it formatted and if it's okay, install directly to that partition.
In any event, correct alignment is critical for the SSD. If you need any links on aligning partitions with diskpar, etc., let me know.
Tom
p.s. Not answered as a guru; I'm just up late.....lol
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kukubau Quote:
John Henry
Nice guide mate, +1 for ya!
But actually i'm doing a little different, shortly,
Diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
list partition
select partition 1
format fs=ntfs quick
I just skip some steps.
Nice guide mate, +1 for ya!
But actually i'm doing a little different, shortly,
Diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
list partition
select partition 1
format fs=ntfs quick
I just skip some steps.
nate42nd posted the whole process of creating a partition on a harddisk that was cleaned of all existing partitions, valid for new disks.
So your addition is no gain. You didn't help much.
Everyone knows how to run diskpart. And for those who don't know, diskpart is very well documented.
Thanks nate42nd.
(the 100 mb partition is created only for 64 bit version and not for 32 bit)
NO thanks john henry
I don't understand why you would NOT want the boot partition to be there. It also contains the Windows Recovery Environment that can help you recover from a corrupted operating system.
Sometimes doing something just because you can isn't the best reason.
Sometimes doing something just because you can isn't the best reason.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr I don't understand why you would NOT want the boot partition to be there. It also contains the Windows Recovery Environment that can help you recover from a corrupted operating system.
Sometimes doing something just because you can isn't the best reason.
Sometimes doing something just because you can isn't the best reason.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom Nate,
If you create the OS partition yourself with the Windows 7 installation disk, I'm not sure whether the install disk knows to align it properly, but it might. And I believe W7 only creates the System Reserved partition when the disk is raw.
It seems that Windows 7 aligns both the System Reserved partition and the OS partition on a cleared (raw) hard drive. That's how it's been, for me at least, on 20-25 W7 installations to SSDs.
So.... you could let Windows 7 create both partitions from a raw disk and just live with the 100mb partition or you could align and format a single OS partition with diskpar. You could also let W7 create both partitions from a raw drive and then delete the 100 mb partition, leaving it unallocated, since the OS partition would be aligned. In fact, you might want to check the alignment of the disk as you have it formatted and if it's okay, install directly to that partition.
In any event, correct alignment is critical for the SSD. If you need any links on aligning partitions with diskpar, etc., let me know.
Tom
p.s. Not answered as a guru; I'm just up late.....lol
If you create the OS partition yourself with the Windows 7 installation disk, I'm not sure whether the install disk knows to align it properly, but it might. And I believe W7 only creates the System Reserved partition when the disk is raw.
It seems that Windows 7 aligns both the System Reserved partition and the OS partition on a cleared (raw) hard drive. That's how it's been, for me at least, on 20-25 W7 installations to SSDs.
So.... you could let Windows 7 create both partitions from a raw disk and just live with the 100mb partition or you could align and format a single OS partition with diskpar. You could also let W7 create both partitions from a raw drive and then delete the 100 mb partition, leaving it unallocated, since the OS partition would be aligned. In fact, you might want to check the alignment of the disk as you have it formatted and if it's okay, install directly to that partition.
In any event, correct alignment is critical for the SSD. If you need any links on aligning partitions with diskpar, etc., let me know.
Tom
p.s. Not answered as a guru; I'm just up late.....lol
I think if you format the drive (aligned) on, say, another computer and then throw W7 at it, the install disk will use the partition as it is.
I like having the Recovery Enviroment on a separate partition. Indeed I've use the setautofailover.cmd to move it to a small RE partition in the past. Here's some reading on the issue. A little old, but still pertinent.
Windows RE Notes : How to install Windows RE on the hard disk
I like having the Recovery Enviroment on a separate partition. Indeed I've use the setautofailover.cmd to move it to a small RE partition in the past. Here's some reading on the issue. A little old, but still pertinent.
Windows RE Notes : How to install Windows RE on the hard disk
Thanks man, I decided to just use the 100MB partition for a while. When I get the final copy I will do away with it. It can't hurt anything and according to you I now have an aligned partition now. Thanks for the help. I might need some in the future and maybe I can help you with something.
Great! Sounds like a plan.
Tom
Tom
nate42nd
Good info. Thank you.
I have read that if you have a second hard drive installed, Win7 will stick the 100MB
partition there. Have you found this to be true?
Win 7 aligns the partition to 1024 by itself so no worries.
If in any doubt, in Diskpart add the line
create partition primary align 1024, but this is not required in Win7
Good info. Thank you.
I have read that if you have a second hard drive installed, Win7 will stick the 100MB
partition there. Have you found this to be true?
Win 7 aligns the partition to 1024 by itself so no worries.
If in any doubt, in Diskpart add the line
create partition primary align 1024, but this is not required in Win7
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Nosmo nate42nd
Good info. Thank you.
I have read that if you have a second hard drive installed, Win7 will stick the 100MB
partition there. Have you found this to be true?
Win 7 aligns the partition to 1024 by itself so no worries.
If in any doubt, in Diskpart add the line
create partition primary align 1024, but this is not required in Win7
Good info. Thank you.
I have read that if you have a second hard drive installed, Win7 will stick the 100MB
partition there. Have you found this to be true?
Win 7 aligns the partition to 1024 by itself so no worries.
If in any doubt, in Diskpart add the line
create partition primary align 1024, but this is not required in Win7
Didn't really read more then the first page (its 4:17am so I'm tired) although, the way I get rid of the 100mb partition is..
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer Didn't really read more then the first page (its 4:17am so I'm tired) although, the way I get rid of the 100mb partition is..
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd �� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer Didn't really read more then the first page (its 4:17am so I'm tired) although, the way I get rid of the 100mb partition is..
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
When its deleted it turns into unallocated space, then you format the 100mb partition, then extend it and give it all of the space from the one we deleted.
Sorry if my original post wasn't clear.
I see. Yes I get it now. I should have thought of that. I sat here for 20 minutes trying to make it work. I cannot believe I didn't think of that.
Thanks
Thanks
�� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd I see. Yes I get it now. I should have thought of that. I sat here for 20 minutes trying to make it work. I cannot believe I didn't think of that.
Thanks
Thanks
I also am wondering if it would be "aligned" for my SSD properly with that method. I will have to ask the SSD forum guys.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer Didn't really read more then the first page (its 4:17am so I'm tired) although, the way I get rid of the 100mb partition is..
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
Thanx.
Tom
You can't use my tutorial on page one unless you do it at the beginning. This way when you get to the point where you are dealing with partitions, there is already one there. It's really for new disks.
I didn't use my own tutorial because I wanted my SSD partition to be aligned. I don't know if my way of doing it will align it.
To answer your question, you can't interrupt it and go back. I tried.
I didn't use my own tutorial because I wanted my SSD partition to be aligned. I don't know if my way of doing it will align it.
To answer your question, you can't interrupt it and go back. I tried.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr I don't understand why you would NOT want the boot partition to be there. It also contains the Windows Recovery Environment that can help you recover from a corrupted operating system.
Sometimes doing something just because you can isn't the best reason.
Sometimes doing something just because you can isn't the best reason.
Why do you need to delete this extra 100MB partition? It's not a lot of space, I leave it alone as it is on my PC
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer �� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd �� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer Didn't really read more then the first page (its 4:17am so I'm tired) although, the way I get rid of the 100mb partition is..
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
During setup, after it creates the 100mb partition, delete the other one (the one you want to use, trust me), then 'format' the 100mb partition, then 'Extend' the 100mb partition to use all of the one we deleted earlier.
That is how I do it anyways, quick and simple.
When its deleted it turns into unallocated space, then you format the 100mb partition, then extend it and give it all of the space from the one we deleted.
Sorry if my original post wasn't clear.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd �� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer �� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd I thought I had done this and it didn't work. Maybe I didn't do it right. It would not let me delete the small partition.
When its deleted it turns into unallocated space, then you format the 100mb partition, then extend it and give it all of the space from the one we deleted.
Sorry if my original post wasn't clear.
What do you mean by 'properly aligned'?
Uhhhh, I don't know all about it. I do know SSD partitions need to be aligned to work at peak performance. You can use diskpart (I think, may be some other tool) to check and align if needed. I will start researching it. I think extending the small one will probably do it. Plus the version I got was Pro so it may not even have the small partition.
Thanks for all your help man.. Have a great day
Thanks for all your help man.. Have a great day
Hey Nate,
Alignment is very critical with SSDs.
Here's a guide from the OCZ forums. It may sound a little confusing but it's not that confusing. If you have any ??? after reading this over, just let me know.
Guide Partition alignment importance under Windows XP (32-bit and 64-bit)..why it helps with stuttering and increases drive working life. - OCZ Forum
Tom
Alignment is very critical with SSDs.
Here's a guide from the OCZ forums. It may sound a little confusing but it's not that confusing. If you have any ??? after reading this over, just let me know.
Guide Partition alignment importance under Windows XP (32-bit and 64-bit)..why it helps with stuttering and increases drive working life. - OCZ Forum
Tom
Thanks, I will read through it. I have seen it before and YES it did confuse me. I can understand it though. I will just have to think a little.
It also says "for XP" . . . . Windows Vista and Windows 7 do it by themselves if you do it right. I just don't know if using this method is "doing it right"
Thank you so much for the link.
It also says "for XP" . . . . Windows Vista and Windows 7 do it by themselves if you do it right. I just don't know if using this method is "doing it right"
Thank you so much for the link.
Is this partition visible in Windows, and does it have any real disadvantages?
Yes, it;'s visible.
The main advantage is if you are using bitlocker.
The disavantages - it uses up 1 of your allowed 4 partitions. It is the Active partition and can cause problems e.g. if running an upgrade/repair install on Vista. It can be tricky if using a bcd editor to add entries for other o/s.
The main advantage is if you are using bitlocker.
The disavantages - it uses up 1 of your allowed 4 partitions. It is the Active partition and can cause problems e.g. if running an upgrade/repair install on Vista. It can be tricky if using a bcd editor to add entries for other o/s.
I'm not going to use bitlocker.
Thanks for the info. I'll keep this in mind. For now, I'm going to do an in-place install of 7 over my Vista. In the coming months I'm planning on buying an SSD and do a clean install on that one.
Thanks for the info. I'll keep this in mind. For now, I'm going to do an in-place install of 7 over my Vista. In the coming months I'm planning on buying an SSD and do a clean install on that one.
Is there any way to avoid the 100 mb partition if one runs setup from within XP and the only drive is C: and it is a single partition with no unallocated space?
If you run setup from within XP you will just get an error. I don't think it can be done.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Nosmo:
I would assume the instructions at the top of this thread would work. I used those instructions, although I had Vista, not XP.
Any particular reason you would start the install from within XP rather than booting from the Win 7 install CD? I don't know that it makes any difference, but I chose to boot from the disc and then dropped into the diskpart command.
I would assume the instructions at the top of this thread would work. I used those instructions, although I had Vista, not XP.
Any particular reason you would start the install from within XP rather than booting from the Win 7 install CD? I don't know that it makes any difference, but I chose to boot from the disc and then dropped into the diskpart command.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic Nosmo:
I would assume the instructions at the top of this thread would work. I used those instructions, although I had Vista, not XP.
Any particular reason you would start the install from within XP rather than booting from the Win 7 install CD? I don't know that it makes any difference, but I chose to boot from the disc and then dropped into the diskpart command.
I would assume the instructions at the top of this thread would work. I used those instructions, although I had Vista, not XP.
Any particular reason you would start the install from within XP rather than booting from the Win 7 install CD? I don't know that it makes any difference, but I chose to boot from the disc and then dropped into the diskpart command.
So wanted to run setup from the desktop.
Thanks
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