the best defragment program? part 1

duongducminh

hi guys, i was just wondering what is the best defragment program that can optimize your PC significantly.

thank you

Sardonicus

Auslogics Disk Defrag - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

duongducminh

is there a paid defragment program better than auslogics?

Bill2

Why do you want to pay for a defragger? Performance of a system depends mostly on hardware specs, a defragger cannot make a celeron run like a core i7. Save your money for good hardware, free defraggers like the inbuilt one do a perfectly good job of whatever little defraggers can do.

duongducminh

thanks.

duongducminh

i woudn't plan to buy it though. i jsut wanted to know.

richnrockville

There are pay defraggers. I use Vopt which has a 30 day full featured trial version.
they have versions for most windows. vopt.com will get you there to see what it does.
It is fast and has lots of features that I like. No financial interest, just a good product.

Rich

pparks1

I hardly ever defrag. Years ago, it made a difference, faster hardware has made it irrelevant in my opinion.

yowanvista

I use Defraggler, it has a native win64 build
Defraggler - File and Disk Defragmentation - Free Download

mickey megabyte

defragging every now and then is probably still a good idea, especially if you're often installing/uninstalling stuff and adding/deleting lots of data around - but it won't "optimize your PC significantly" - not even a paid-for super defragger can do that, no matter what their adverts may say.

the included windows defragger does the job well enough.

Karln

O&O Software - O&O Defrag 14

techcal

I like Diskeeper 2010..fast, effective, fully automatic and also prevents most fragmentation.

Second choice would be the windows defragger itself, which IMHO is better than other freeware utilities.

TBoyd

�� Quote: Originally Posted by techcal

I like Diskeeper 2010..fast, effective, fully automatic and also prevents most fragmentation.

Second choice would be the windows defragger itself, which IMHO is better than other freeware utilities.

I'll second that, techcal. I've used Diskeeper for several years. It has many more features - in addition to defragmenting - that improve disc performance.

Windows Sniper

�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista

I use Defraggler, it has a native win64 build
Defraggler - File and Disk Defragmentation - Free Download

I have to agree with this one, Its very quick and Very easy to use. The other programs provided by piriform are superb at keeping the Computer running Fast and clean.

Punkster

�� Quote: Originally Posted by p5bdkw

Auslogics Disk Defrag - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista

I use Defraggler, it has a native win64 build
Defraggler - File and Disk Defragmentation - Free Download

Best options, and of course, Windows' integrated defragger.

duongducminh

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Punkster

�� Quote: Originally Posted by p5bdkw

Auslogics Disk Defrag - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista

I use Defraggler, it has a native win64 build
Defraggler - File and Disk Defragmentation - Free Download

Best options, and of course, Windows' integrated defragger.

the windows 7 integerated defragger doesn't seem that good, it doesn't show the program bar, and all the details. i like the windows xp defragmenter, it was very detailed and effective.

seekermeister

As far as I'm concerned, the best defragger is O&O ($50):

O&O Software - O&O Defrag 14 Pro Disk Defrag Software

But, the second best is Ultimate Defrag ($30):

UltimateDefrag - The Defragger For Power Users - About

Or if you prefer free:

UltimateDefrag Freeware Edition - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

pparks1

Seekermeister, as somebody who almost NEVER runs a defrag program....do you really find benefits that makes it worth spending $50 to purchase a program? What benefits do you get out of it, how do you quantify these improvements, what testing have you performed. Over the past few years, after defragging a drive with the built-in's and most free programs like defraggler and Auslogics..I haven't been able to prove any performance gain in any aspect that I measured.

seekermeister

I'm not going to tout any defragger as being something that is going to revive all of the performance of any OS, but at the same time, it does help some. It is obvious that it will help seek time when opening a program or file, and by using the defragger at boot time, you can defrag locked files. Whether any defragger is worth paying for or not is a subjective decision, but for me it is worth the cost more than some other programs that I have paid for.

EDIT: I don't know how it could be measured, but by reducing seek time, it also reduces wear on a hard drive (On the other hand, there are some that will argue that defragging increases wear by moving files around).

pparks1

In principal, I understand how it would reduce seek times. But with my hard drive and computer so fast today, I'm just not sure whether this time is actually noticeable. Thus, I'm not inclined whatsoever to spend money on something that might in fact not do anything except improve the situation in theory. If I buy an SSD drive and put it into the computer, I can see that my boot times decreased substantially, and my programs load instantly and virus and malware scans happen super fast. It's obvious that it worked. If I get a new video card/driver, I can see that my FPS went up in my game, or allow me to run my game at a higher resolution...thus I know that it made an impact. If on the other hand, I purchase a defragger and run it and say, "well, things should be faster now"....i'm kinda buying into it like faith.

Don't take this as a personal attack, I just questioned you directly as you mentioned a $50 app that you thought did a great job. I was just curious on what things you saw specifically to make that call. Always want to keep my eyes open, rather than just sit back and assume my stance on defraggers is actually correct.

seekermeister

Like I said, it is a subjective decision. Mine is probably influenced by the fact that I'm running old hardware that I feel needs all of the help that it can get, and also by old habits formed by archaic logic. Whatever the case may be, since the program is paid for, I will continue using it.

Ponmayilal

To defrag or not to defrag, to stick with Windows native defragger or look elsewhere for a free defragger or buy a defragger is all in the domain of an individual's preferences and perceptions.

How many of us have the ultrafast SSD drives? Until such time these drives come out in as large capacities as the other kind of Winchester drives and become affordable, many people will continue to use the platter drives.

Given this scenario, I do feel defraggers is a necessity and cannot be wished away.

That Windows 7 does not require a defragger is far-fetched. If it were so, why should MS embark upon providing a much improved Defragger in Windows 7?

Disk Defragmentation

I had always gone with Raxco's Perfect Disk for a longtime now and Perfect Disk 11 is what runs on all my machines. I defrag atleast once a week that apart the stealthpatrol mode in which it runs. I care not to quantify whether it has increased my PC's performance and whether it is in microseconds, nanoseconds or picoseconds. If I believe that it does good and am happy with it, that is it.

pparks1

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Ponmayilal

That Windows 7 does not require a defragger is far-fetched. If it were so, why should MS embark upon providing a much improved Defragger in Windows 7?

I have file servers in my corporate environment running Windows Server 2003 that haven't been defragged in 4+ years. Performance doesn't seem to have suffered whatsoever, no complaints and files are copying as fast as the network cards will allow. And I have a file server in my home that has never been defragged. Just offering as evidence that defragging might not be absolutely necessary either.

iwasinnamuknow

I like diskeeper as it defragments in the background as I work, meaning I never have to set aside time to run a manual defrag job.

TBoyd

Welcome to the Forums Bill R TechSpec

Having Fragmented Files Does not slow the system down in some cases, I have a 10 year old machine running XP Pro that has never been Defraged and the only lag i experience is from the graphics card being out dated (x1050).......


I'm interested......

If you are sure you have never defragged your XP machine in 10 years, could you possibly analyze your HD for fragmentation & post the results?

flyingpig

I would question any program that touts improved SSD performance.

TBoyd

�� Quote: Originally Posted by TBoyd

Having Fragmented Files Does not slow the system down in some cases, I have a 10 year old machine running XP Pro that has never been Defraged and the only lag i experience is from the graphics card being out dated (x1050).......


I'm interested......

If you are sure you have never defragged your XP machine in 10 years, could you possibly analyze your HD for fragmentation & post the results?

Sniper - I'm still waiting for your frag analyzation results on the 10 year old machine.......

GeneO

Windows 7 defrag works for me. If you use restore points, make sure you use a defragmenter that is VSS aware if your disk block size is less than 16Kb (Windows 7, Diskkeeper, NOT defraggler).

Windows Sniper

�� Quote: Originally Posted by TBoyd

�� Quote: Originally Posted by TBoyd

Having Fragmented Files Does not slow the system down in some cases, I have a 10 year old machine running XP Pro that has never been Defraged and the only lag i experience is from the graphics card being out dated (x1050).......


I'm interested......

If you are sure you have never defragged your XP machine in 10 years, could you possibly analyze your HD for fragmentation & post the results?

Sniper - I'm still waiting for your frag analyzation results on the 10 year old machine.......

Haha Certainly TBoyd Let me fish it outa the old PC and Run a Defrag on it, Sorry I have been off for a couple days Doing Non Pc Stuff xD

TBoyd

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Windows Sniper

�� Quote: Originally Posted by TBoyd

�� Quote: Originally Posted by TBoyd

Having Fragmented Files Does not slow the system down in some cases, I have a 10 year old machine running XP Pro that has never been Defraged and the only lag i experience is from the graphics card being out dated (x1050).......


I'm interested......

If you are sure you have never defragged your XP machine in 10 years, could you possibly analyze your HD for fragmentation & post the results?

Sniper - I'm still waiting for your frag analyzation results on the 10 year old machine.......

Haha Certainly TBoyd Let me fish it outa the old PC and Run a Defrag on it, Sorry I have been off for a couple days Doing Non Pc Stuff xD

How dare you take 2 days off! - Wish I could!

No problem....

Sardonicus

The "to defragment or not to defragment" question has already been answered by Microsoft on Windows 7 and Vista. It's really an "aha" moment when many people find out that on Windows 7, the defragmentation is set take place once a week, by default.

To make that clear, "by default"

pparks1

�� Quote: Originally Posted by p5bdkw

The "to defragment or not to defragment" question has already been answered by Microsoft on Windows 7 and Vista. It's really an "aha" moment when many people find out that on Windows 7, the defragmentation is set take place once a week, by default.

To make that clear, "by default"

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What if your computer was never on at 1am on Wednesday? Does it adjust for this when it misses the schedule all of the time.

flyingpig

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�� Quote: Originally Posted by p5bdkw

The "to defragment or not to defragment" question has already been answered by Microsoft on Windows 7 and Vista. It's really an "aha" moment when many people find out that on Windows 7, the defragmentation is set take place once a week, by default.

To make that clear, "by default"

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What if your computer was never on at 1am on Wednesday? Does it adjust for this when it misses the schedule all of the time.

It does not seem to. I know when I checked my brothers PC his drive looked like a murder had taken place, and he complained about slow file access and the like.

So I put Auslogic on his PC and he's been happy ever since, or as happy as one can be with such a mundane task taken care of

kenC

Fake Disk Cleanup Utilities: The Ruse | Symantec Connect

With people trying different defraggers it may be a good idea to point this out. It names some you shouldn't use.

seekermeister

I would like to point out that the Ultra Defragger on that list, is not the same as the Ultimate Defrag that I mentioned earlier.

flyingpig

�� Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister

I would like to point out that the Ultra Defragger on that list, is not the same as the Ultimate Defrag that I mentioned earlier.

you mean this one.

UltraDefrag - An Open Source Defragmenter

I don't know of any open source programs that ask for money.
Always nice when some idiot virus writer gets hold of or uses the same name for the junk they peddle.

seekermeister

No, that appears to be the one listed in the Symantec article. I'm referring to this one:

Disktrix - Two Amazing Defragmentation Software Titles - UltimateDefrag And DefragExpress

EDIT: As far as junk goes, I agree with you regarding Symantec.

flyingpig

�� Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister

No, that appears to be the one listed in the Symantec article. I'm referring to this one:

Disktrix - Two Amazing Defragmentation Software Titles - UltimateDefrag And DefragExpress

EDIT: As far as junk goes, I agree with you regarding Symantec.

No, that's a real defrager. If Source Forge had people hocking malware that would be the end of that site.

I read up on Disktrix program on Wilder, very buggy and the update log seems to support this.

seth500

I have Disktrix for 29 and I have 2 ssd'd that don't need defragged of course but I can configure it for my mechanical drives and it improves it for them as far as 3 points on the wei scale it depends on how it's configured and what benefits you want. You can't do that with any other defragmenter that I have found. Anyhow I don't write to often to my ssd's but all writing is done to the mechanical drives, just the operating system sets on the ssd..

seekermeister

�� Quote: Originally Posted by flyingpig

�� Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister

No, that appears to be the one listed in the Symantec article. I'm referring to this one:

Disktrix - Two Amazing Defragmentation Software Titles - UltimateDefrag And DefragExpress

EDIT: As far as junk goes, I agree with you regarding Symantec.

No, that's a real defrager. If Source Forge had people hocking malware that would be the end of that site.

I read up on Disktrix program on Wilder, very buggy and the update log seems to support this.

I have done more than read about it, I have used it quite a bit when I ran WS2K8, and there was nothing buggy about it. The main reason that I bought it was because the other mainstream defraggers were extremely expensive for servers, Ultimate Defrag was not, because it ran the same on all Windows versions.

sreedhav

�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista

I use Defraggler, it has a native win64 build
Defraggler - File and Disk Defragmentation - Free Download

I agree with yowan there! I also use another defragger,"my defrag", Download and install where you can consolidate the free space after the defrag.is over.

Just a piece of "unasked for" advise to those new on the road to computer-savvy town! Kindly use CCleaner before using Defraggler, it optimises things better!
regards,
Sreedhav

flyingpig

�� Quote: Originally Posted by seth500

I have Disktrix for 29 and I have 2 ssd'd that don't need defragged of course but I can configure it for my mechanical drives and it improves it for them as far as 3 points on the wei scale it depends on how it's configured and what benefits you want. You can't do that with any other defragmenter that I have found. Anyhow I don't write to often to my ssd's but all writing is done to the mechanical drives, just the operating system sets on the ssd..

yes that is one of the best Defrag tools I've seen, but from the posts I've read and the change-log I'm not willing to try that program yet. If I could get some more feedback that would be great as I still want to try it.

I should add that allot of the posts that are negative about this program talk about file system corruption and being unable to boot. None of this would surprise me as I've seen this in the past with DK and PD.

flyingpig

�� Quote: Originally Posted by sreedhav

�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista

I use Defraggler, it has a native win64 build
Defraggler - File and Disk Defragmentation - Free Download

I agree with yowan there! I also use another defragger,"my defrag", Download and install where you can consolidate the free space after the defrag.is over.

Just a piece of "unasked for" advise to those new on the road to computer-savvy town! Kindly use CCleaner before using Defraggler, it optimises things better!
regards,
Sreedhav

Just asking so don't take this the wrong way. How does CCleaner optimize things better?

mickey megabyte

i would say it gets rid of the 'crap' before defragging.

if you defrag first, then delete stuff after, you've got holes where further fragmentation will inevitably occur.

...or he could mean something different

hangdawg

I have two Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 32MB Cache Hard Disk Drive SATA 6 Gb/s 126MB/s <4.2ms 7200rpm Hard Drives and Windows 7 Defrag does all I need for them, myself I don't use any third party fragmentation application.

flyingpig

i stumbled across this Puran Defrag Free Edition - Free softwarhttp://download.cnet.com/Puran-Defrag-Free-Edition/3000-2094_4-75115626.htmle downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com its gots lot of options schedule defrag., boot defrag and fills in the gaps and its free

Edward 066

�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte

i would say it gets rid of the 'crap' before defragging.

if you defrag first, then delete stuff after, you've got holes where further fragmentation will inevitably occur.

...or he could mean something different

That makes sense, but when most programs usually are set to auto-defrag this would be a non issue.

Edward 066

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bbinnard

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Guest

I just ran a quick comparison of Defraggler and Auslogics BoostSpeed. BoostSPeed seemed to do the defragging about 10 times faster than Defraggler. So I'll be sticking with Auslogics.

Perhaps this is due to Auslogics being multi-threaded? My CPU is an i7 with 8 threads, so that's the only thing I can guess at for the improved speed.

There is one nice feature Defraggler has though and that is the ability to pick which specific files you want to defrag if there is a situation where you don't want to defrag everything.

Corazon

If Auslogics is that much faster, it must be due to a different (probably simpler) algorithm. For the record, Defraggler is lightning-fast with doing "quick defrags" too, but not nearly as thorough.

Of course, now that I'm running off a brandnew SSD I'm having to teach myself to lose the habit of defragging at all. Not easy.

Vince53

I ran Windows 7's built-in defragger today with no problems. No noticeable improvement, but no problems. Years ago, on another OS, I used a free defragger and had to reformat as a result. I have used the built-in defragger from Windows 95 up and have never had a problem.

NecroticisM666

defraggler is a decent disk defragger..i run it once or twice a month and it really maintains my system performance..

Vince53

�� Quote: Originally Posted by NecroticisM666

defraggler is a decent disk defragger..i run it once or twice a month and it really maintains my system performance..

I'm glad that it is working for you, but what does it do that Windows' built-in defragger doesn't do?

mickey megabyte

it defraggles

Wishmaster

I like Perfect Disc the best myself of all Ive tried.

NecroticisM666

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Vince53

�� Quote: Originally Posted by NecroticisM666

defraggler is a decent disk defragger..i run it once or twice a month and it really maintains my system performance..

I'm glad that it is working for you, but what does it do that Windows' built-in defragger doesn't do?

Well, with Piriform Defraggler you can defragment your individual files and folders and it can show you all of the list of all of your fragmented files which you can selectively choose to defragment not like in the built in Windows defragger. It is also fast compared to Windows defragger which takes sometime to complete, IMO..

AlvitrValkyrie

Defraggler from Piriform. Also where you find CCleaner. I let my HDD get to 45GB of fragmented data once. Haha... Yea I started running much faster after defragging. Anyways, defraggler is completely free (:

panais

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I like Perfect Disc the best myself of all Ive tried.

I agree with this.

Though SSD users have this in mind,dont ever defrag your ssd.

Defragmentation kills SSD.

Windows Sniper

Wow as if this thread is still alive,

I will stand by what i said on page 2(I think?)

Defraggler is a good program and very neat to use, but at the end of the day it is your personal choice over what programmes you install and use on your machine.

pincushion

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Vince53

�� Quote: Originally Posted by NecroticisM666

defraggler is a decent disk defragger..i run it once or twice a month and it really maintains my system performance..

I'm glad that it is working for you, but what does it do that Windows' built-in defragger doesn't do?

If you have files at the end of the partition that stops you from resizing your partition then Windows defrag won't help. Defraggler might move the file(s) and PerfectDisk (free to try full version) will do likewise.

wanchoo

After gregrocker introduced me to Puran free defragger, I find it the best defragmenting program. Gave up using Auslogics free Defragmenter that I had been using for all these years.

Thank you, gregrocker.

ddadda82

�� Quote: Originally Posted by panais

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I like Perfect Disc the best myself of all Ive tried.

I agree with this.

Though SSD users have this in mind,dont ever defrag your ssd.

Defragmentation kills SSD.

I said that to my boss, but he didn't listen. Like... he didn't believe me. So how? Let his HDD crashes itself? xD

wanchoo

The later versions of Diskeeper can safely defrag SSDs.

I had once posed this question to Verbatim whose flash drive I am using. Verbatim had replied never to defrag the Flash Drive with ordinary defraggers that don't have the SSD defragging option.

Verbatim said that the SSD's life was dependent on the number of write operations performed on it and therefore there could be nothing worse than defragging it with ordinary defraggers.

�� Quote: Originally Posted by ddadda82

�� Quote: Originally Posted by panais

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I like Perfect Disc the best myself of all Ive tried.

I agree with this.

Though SSD users have this in mind,dont ever defrag your ssd.

Defragmentation kills SSD.

I said that to my boss, but he didn't listen. Like... he didn't believe me. So how? Let his HDD crashes itself? xD

monkeylove

After reading this,

The Big XP Defragmenter Test by Christian Hofmann

I am currently trying MyDefrag.