Windows 7E will you buy it? part 1

Orbital Shark

With Microsoft opting to exclude Internet Explorer from Windows 7 in the European Union, the big question is 'Will you buy Windows 7E?'.

My answer is 'HELL NO!!! I'm not supporting the EU in any way!!! I'd like the freedom to choose what Internet Browser I use, not have it dictated to me or removed all together!!!' i'm gonna buy the US version & hope it works with no issues

�� Warning

If you do not download an Internet Browser & save to another source before installing Windows 7E you will NOT have access to the internet

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Microsoft

The E editions of Windows 7 do not contain an Internet browser. Please get a browser from Microsoft or a third party and have it on a CD/DVD or another device so it's ready to install after the Windows 7 installation is complete

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penguin17

I'll be buying it as it really makes no difference to me, I have all my browser installers on another drive and can always get ie8 from windows update if and when i need it.

The US version will work on anyones pc, my copy of XP has "for distribution in USA/Canada only" and i've had that re activated a few times over the phone with microsoft.

Barman58

I have voted maybe - as I have not decided on where to source my copies of windows 7 - I will not be rushing into it as I want to ensure that the E version is OK before I make a move

Even If I do go for the E Version I will install IE, although not my personal choice of browser, as the current No 1 browser I will have to support it

spliff

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark

With Microsoft opting to exclude Internet Explorer from Windows 7 in the European Union, the big question is 'Will you buy Windows 7E?'.

My answer is 'HELL NO!!!!' i'm gonna buy the US version & hope it works with no issues

�� Warning

If you do not download an Internet Browser & save to another source before installing Windows 7E you will NOT have access to the internet

I think i will go with the US version to be honest as i dont really want to wait till the EU version comes out .... Mr Impatient YES. Technet here i come lol.

Im pretty sure you will be able to download and install the browser of your choice in 7E, Its the whole point of what the EU are moaning about


Worst ways you will get an installation disk with a choice of web browsers on it ( but from what i gather you will get an option screen when you intally set up your OS.)

• Chrome.
• FireFox.
• IE8. (Thats if they are even allowed to offer you it ?)
• Maxthon.
• Opera.
• Safari .

Think that will be about it

knuckles84

Actually, I have never bought an os and hope never have to.

manosdoc

I will buy it 2x perhaps 3x.

One for me, one for my Girlfriend, and a HomePremium for a next Netbook (I wil not use a starter edition)

That the IE is not included is a good thing for me, so I do not need to uninstall it

Fliplip

No.
It will have the luck of Edition N. Microsoft did a hat trick with EU here.
IE and its libraries are rather important. An integrated product is better than adding executives later.

No. I will go for Full Retail code.

Asgaro

�� Quote: Originally Posted by spliff

Actually, I have never bought an os and hope never have to.

Well i was like that until recently.

My PC is becoming a bit unstable (ive update from 7077 to 7260 via a few builds) so i do need to start from scratch soon.
So yes, of course ill be buying W7E. In fact ill be pre ordering it for �49 next week if i can.

Cant say i use IE much and ill have FF3.5.xx on disc ready.
I already have a bootable SD card with the latest build and any extras i need to install, ill just replace the old files with the new ones from the W7E download/disc.

Fliplip

I'm going for the E-version because I never use IE
This is NOT because I dislike IE's market share but purely because I've been a Firefox user since v1.5!

Guest

The only slight worry i have is that some programs (Newsleecher being one of them) uses IE to display its news page. Im wondering if MS are leaving all the code out or just the main browser app.
Still, its not a problem to install IE8 as soon as i need it.

v8ornot2v8

I vot maybe also - as a home user, I'm not seeing any major advantages. I don't game and I'm happy with my FF. It sounds like there would be a lot of work going back and installing all of my drivers and stuff; basically starting from scratch. Is this true?

Fliplip

�� Quote: Originally Posted by v8ornot2v8

I vot maybe also - as a home user, I'm not seeing any major advantages. I don't game and I'm happy with my FF. It sounds like there would be a lot of work going back and installing all of my drivers and stuff; basically starting from scratch. Is this true?

Yes, you would have to start from scratch as far as drivers and apps but W7 seems to have a lot more drivers in it than earlier OS's.
Im now running it on 4 PC's and one Netbook and so far the only driver ive needed to get is a ACPI driver for my Netbook.
In fact ive put it on two old PC's at work because we cant find the motherboard discs for things like network cards and graphics cards. W7 just installed the correct drivers without any fuss.
Im sure manufacturers will bring out updated drivers quickly but out of the box im up and running in less than 15mins with no hunting around for driver discs.
Of course this doesn't mean you wont need any, just that you might not.

toastytheog

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark

With Microsoft opting to exclude Internet Explorer from Windows 7 in the European Union, the big question is 'Will you buy Windows 7E?'.

My answer is 'HELL NO!!! I'm not supporting the EU in any way!!! I'd like the freedom to choose what Internet Browser I use, not have it dictated to me or removed all together!!!' i'm gonna buy the US version & hope it works with no issues

�� Warning

If you do not download an Internet Browser & save to another source before installing Windows 7E you will NOT have access to the internet

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your statement is the exact opposite of what they are doing, if microsoft were trying to force you to use a specific browser, wouldn't they leave their internet browser installed?

and how does buying the european version of software from an american based company "support" the european union?

Things you put on the internet are public, and you should read them before you have other people read them.

The only negative thing I can see about 7E is having to have a browser handy, and not being able to just use IE to run to google and grab chrome.

wwoods

�� Quote: Originally Posted by toastytheog

your statement is the exact opposite of what they are doing, if microsoft were trying to force you to use a specific browser, wouldn't they leave their internet browser installed?

and how does buying the european version of software from an american based company "support" the european union?

Things you put on the internet are public, and you should read them before you have other people read them.

The only negative thing I can see about 7E is having to have a browser handy, and not being able to just use IE to run to google and grab chrome.

It is supporting the EU's stupid descision......

Fliplip

With all this EU bashing (and im not sticking up for them) why is no one complaining about the companies that have put pressure on the EU to take this stance?
In the old days i think it was Netscape and AOL that were causing all the fuss over MS including a browser in their OS.
If people want to slag off the EU fine (and yes, we have stupid laws, just like all parts fo the world) but the EU didnt just decide one day to attack MS, it was forced to by some of the big, American companies.

z3r010

I say the EU doesn't have anything to do, so they're starting lawsuits that have a valid point.

But to answer the question, I will not be buying Windows 7E. I will be buying Windows 7 Professional, because I live in America

Fliplip

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Fliplip

With all this EU bashing (and im not sticking up for them) why is no one complaining about the companies that have put pressure on the EU to take this stance?
In the old days i think it was Netscape and AOL that were causing all the fuss over MS including a browser in their OS.
If people want to slag off the EU fine (and yes, we have stupid laws, just like all parts fo the world) but the EU didnt just decide one day to attack MS, it was forced to by some of the big, American companies.

This was not brought on by big American companies, but a small Norwegian one that has a crappy browser, the EU dictators didn't need to listen to then (just like they don't listen to the public)

Asgaro

�� Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010

This was not brought on by big American companies, but a small Norwegian one that has a crappy browser, the EU dictators didn't need to listen to then (just like they don't listen to the public)

I though AOL we American .
They were the ones who made all the fuss and forced MS to put a short cut to their service on the desktop IIR.


I could be wrong of course.

knuckles84

�� Quote: Originally Posted by wwoods

It is supporting the EU's stupid descision......

It's not EU's fault, it was Opera's fault, remember?

Guest

in the EU there are laws, that must be respected, and there are a lot of the rules that are braked by the people, because a lot of rules do not make sense. And for that the people are not punished, only if there are reclamations, and when there are reclamations the laws must be respected.

SO yes it is the fault from OPERA, and not the EU. And I do not understand why Opera make the reclamation only to Microsoft, if I see the other operating systems:
Mac Os X, has Safari as standard browser
Every Linux Distro (or global every UNIX-Distro) has an Browser installed, and not all the distros let you the choice on the installation.

But to see it from an other side, I like it that Windows 7E do only exist as a full version and not as upgrade, so I can, pre-order at the 15 July 3 Full-Version for the Price that other people must pay from the 22 October, or people in non EU-Lands for the full version.

matt_0978

Opera sucks. Period.

akramh

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark

With Microsoft opting to exclude Internet Explorer from Windows 7 in the European Union, the big question is 'Will you buy Windows 7E?'.

My answer is 'HELL NO!!! I'm not supporting the EU in any way!!! I'd like the freedom to choose what Internet Browser I use, not have it dictated to me or removed all together!!!' i'm gonna buy the US version & hope it works with no issues

�� Warning

If you do not download an Internet Browser & save to another source before installing Windows 7E you will NOT have access to the internet

Source

how u gonna do tht bud? don't think they'll ship it out of the states. would it not be possible to download the RTM and activate it with the 'E' license when we can buy it in october?

BoonC

I would buy the E edition but I think it's not available in my region I wish all versions of Windows 7 didn't include IE... that is my dream that one day we will have windows with out a built in IE.. this idea started with windows 95, and caused netscape to loose it's dominance as the top browser back in the day, and eventually made the idea of a Paid browser a thing of the past. I only use IE for windows update, or when a site doesn't work with firefox, but lately it's very rare that a site doesn't work with firefox, there is still a few though , like Arab bank the largest bank in the middle east won't work with firefox or IE 8, My friend has upgraded to IE 8, so I suggested he uninstall it , and when he did IE7 worked fine, offcourse I learned later of the IE7 compatibility feature built into IE8 which could work but I didn't try that so not sure. also maximo doesn't seem to be friendly with firefox, maximo is one of the largest helpdesk and maintenance software, and you can only access the application from an IE browser, if you use firefox the buttons will not work correctly.

akramh

I voted "No". After install windows I always use IE to downlaod necessary dirver. (I think I can't buy that edition in my country)

crazlunatic

�� Quote: Originally Posted by matt0978

how u gonna do tht bud? don't think they'll ship it out of the states. would it not be possible to download the RTM and activate it with the 'E' license when we can buy it in october?

even if they won't officialy ship it to UK, there is many ways to get it. you can send it to the address of a friend of yours who lives in the US, and he can then just send it to you.

I buy stuff from the states all the time, stuff that's not supposed to be shipped out of the states. to do that I use the Shop & Ship service from aramex , which is mailbox service allows you to enjoy all the benefits of shopping online from US or UK websites as if you are actually living there. basically they give you a US or a UK address if you make a $42 deposite with them, and when ordering stuff online like from amazon I use the US address, and they automatically deliver the goods to me, aramix is a company like FedEx but it's headoffice is in the middle east. if I go to their local shop they even have shoping catalogs where you can order all kinds of things from the US.

akramh

Actually it is likely that MS will bundle an IE cd with Windows 7E. Several windows 7 news sites reported this rumor.

Dzomlija

�� Quote: Originally Posted by crazlunatic

Actually it is likely that MS will bundle an IE cd with Windows 7E. Several windows 7 news sites reported this rumor.

or a CD with IE+firefox+chrome+safari... etc

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by akramh

or a CD with IE+firefox+chrome+safari... etc

Not Safari. You forgot about that little thing called, "competition," my friend

Guest

I voted an emphatic NO. I will not be purchasing Windows 7 E, for several reasons:

1. First and foremost is because Windows is a Microsoft product, and Microsoft therefore has the right to decide what they will or will not include in their own products. Nobody has the right to dictate what can and cannot be done to something that does not belong to them.
2. If Microsoft must remove IE from Windows, then Apple must remove Safari from OSX, and all the various flavors of Linux must also not include a browser.
3. If the browser competition really does not like the majority share of IE, then they need to get their acts together and improve their products in order to begin providing browsers that actually do work better than IE. IE is the better choice not because of bully or monopoly tactics - it's the better choice because it's the better product.
4. Windows 7 E will probably not be available in South Africa...

It all comes down to this:

A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither. - Milton Friedman (1912 - 2006)

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija

I voted an emphatic NO. I will not be purchasing Windows 7 E, for several reasons:

1. First and foremost is because Windows is a Microsoft product, and Microsoft therefore has the right to decide what they will or will not include in their own products. Nobody has the right to dictate what can and cannot be done to something that does not belong to them.
2. If Microsoft must remove IE from Windows, then Apple must remove Safari from OSX, and all the various flavors of Linux must also not include a browser.
3. If the browser competition really does not like the majority share of IE, then they need to get their acts together and improve their products in order to begin providing browsers that actually do work better than IE. IE is the better choice not because of bully or monopoly tactics - it's the better choice because it's the better product.
4. Windows 7 E will probably not be available in South Africa...

It all comes down to this:

A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither. - Milton Friedman (1912 - 2006)

I spy a genius!

akramh

�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny

Not Safari. You forgot about that little thing called, "competition," my friend

what do you mean? isn't safari free like IE/firefox/chrome?

Zidane24

Yes, but it's made by Apple.

Zidane24

�� Quote: Originally Posted by knuckles84

in the EU there are laws, that must be respected, and there are a lot of the rules that are braked by the people, because a lot of rules do not make sense. And for that the people are not punished, only if there are reclamations, and when there are reclamations the laws must be respected.

SO yes it is the fault from OPERA, and not the EU. And I do not understand why Opera make the reclamation only to Microsoft, if I see the other operating systems:
Mac Os X, has Safari as standard browser
Every Linux Distro (or global every UNIX-Distro) has an Browser installed, and not all the distros let you the choice on the installation.

But to see it from an other side, I like it that Windows 7E do only exist as a full version and not as upgrade, so I can, pre-order at the 15 July 3 Full-Version for the Price that other people must pay from the 22 October, or people in non EU-Lands for the full version.

You right...and I will quote a fellow member petrossa on this

�� Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa;

Tall tress recieve the most wind

(good quote by the way petrossa, if he wounds up reading this...)
Microsoft has the biggest wallet in the computing industry let lone the biggest controversial company in the buis....so it makes them an easy person to pick on. Once Microsoft says the hell with the EU than they will move down the list to their next paycheck...Apple

holo88

Sometimes I wonder why, as an American citizen, I am a part of this thread...

knuckles84

�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny

Sometimes I wonder why, as an American citizen, I am a part of this thread...

wonder that myself everytime...but I myself like to think of myself as in the world as a whole and become conerned when big topics like this thread starts to become a global issue...

akramh

Nope.

......is poll meant for only for the 'E' people? ('E' means 'European', right?)

tuckeratlarge

�� Quote: Originally Posted by holo88

Nope.

......is poll meant for only for the 'E' people? ('E' means 'European', right?)

E means the 5th letter of the alphabet

Guest

I have a question but will not extra open a new thread for it:

When the RTM will be leak it will not be the the E version (I prety sure about that), ok by deleting the ei.cfg I cna install the Normal Home Premium and use ist 120 days, but after that I gor my "Windows 7 Home Premium E" legal serial, do you think that I can activate a normral Home Premium with it???

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny

Yes, but it's made by Apple.

do you have something against apple?

�� Quote: Originally Posted by knuckles84

I have a question but will not extra open a new thread for it:

When the RTM will be leak it will not be the the E version (I prety sure about that), ok by deleting the ei.cfg I cna install the Normal Home Premium and use ist 120 days, but after that I gor my "Windows 7 Home Premium E" legal serial, do you think that I can activate a normral Home Premium with it???

Don't think it will activate... the keys for Euro Edition will be different than the regular version I would think...

Guest

Personally I will be buying whatever I get offered on July 15th by Amazon.co.uk. If it is the E version then so be it. I don't use IE except when a website, usually an Estate agent, uses that stupid .wmf format for pictures, mainly floorplans, it's pointless. Some websites insist on you using IE for signup purposes, again lame, but I shall install it so I can use it with the IE Tab extension.

I read somewhere that the E version is the full version of 7. For �50, for Home Premium on pre-order, you can't go wrong

knuckles84

�� Quote: Originally Posted by tuckeratlarge

Personally I will be buying whatever I get offered on July 15th by Amazon.co.uk ........

ok if you buy it at amazon.co.uk you got an English version, what I need to. The price is 49x (�,�,$ whatever). But because of the Price fro me it is more interesting to buy at Amazon.de (there is no .lu), because in � it is cheaper, and amazon.de do not ask transport to luxemburg. But I will not an German version. If I buy a German version and download an English, will than my Serial work for activation?? (with Office 2007 it works flawless that way, perhaps someone has made the experience with VISTA)

wysiwyg

I think that in the end, there shouldn't even be a Windows 7 E. It's just stupid of the EU to take a small company's side because their browser sucks.

Besides, it's not MS's fault. More people use Firefox than IE.

txpg

�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny

besides, it's not ms's fault. More people use firefox than ie.

oops.!

Kari

Because I'm in China.

RellikZephyr

Nothing against IE, I�m happy to get it and happy when I don�t get it. It�s just that I�ve used FF as long as I can remember so I do not need it.

But I think we are forgetting something important in this W7E-issue. Of course EU�s decision sucks, IE is an integrated part of Windows and should of course come with the installation packet.

But behind this for us so interesting decision is a bigger principal issue. These laws in EU are designed to give consumers more choice with less cost. An example: when a big European airline company wants to buy another big European airline company, EU probably says NO WAY if the new companys market share would be too big. They think if somebody has too big marketshare, this company could use it�s position to force smaller companies out of business thus getting free hands to raise prices and dictate everything. More competition equals lower prices, that�s one of the main principals in capitalism.

This antitrust legislation gives EU no choice. If it is used (like many times in recent years) against airlines, retailers, media corporates and such, they had to use it against MS when the complaint was made.

Personally I have to add I am maybe not so EU critical than some other users of this forum. As a citizen of one EU-country, living in another EU-country and working in a couple more EU-countries, I see the benefits of this system daily, both in my privat and business life.

This is a personal opinion. It is not meant to offence anybody nor it is meant to be an absolut fact. Like I said, it is just an opinion.

Andy Carr

i was going to buy it ...yes

until i found out they are jacking up the prices here in australia

so now its a profound NO

why should i pay more just because i dont live in the fabled US of A

no offence but stupid americans

RellikZephyr

Mercurial

Yes and for the reduced price.

I use IE and put up with the EU's strange ways

wysiwyg

�� Quote: Originally Posted by wysiwyg

Attachment 17593

oops.!

60 percent of the people using IE don't know how to download and install apps

Orbital Shark

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mercurial

60 percent of the people using IE don't know how to download and install apps

Pull the other one.

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija

I voted an emphatic NO. I will not be purchasing Windows 7 E, for several reasons:

1. First and foremost is because Windows is a Microsoft product, and Microsoft therefore has the right to decide what they will or will not include in their own products. Nobody has the right to dictate what can and cannot be done to something that does not belong to them.
2. If Microsoft must remove IE from Windows, then Apple must remove Safari from OSX, and all the various flavors of Linux must also not include a browser.
3. If the browser competition really does not like the majority share of IE, then they need to get their acts together and improve their products in order to begin providing browsers that actually do work better than IE. IE is the better choice not because of bully or monopoly tactics - it's the better choice because it's the better product.
4. Windows 7 E will probably not be available in South Africa...

It all comes down to this:

A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither. - Milton Friedman (1912 - 2006)

Agreed.....100%, Well put

Kari

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mercurial

60 percent of the people using IE don't know how to download and install apps

Hey Grandpa, I heard you turned on the computer yesterday!

/I actually said that to him. Not mockingly, I was seriously proud for him.

Kari

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Kari

This antitrust legislation gives EU no choice. If it is used (like many times in recent years) against airlines, retailers, media corporates and such, they had to use it against MS when the complaint was made.

Another example of this antitrust legislation in our beloved EU. Intels second quarter result was almost $400 million in minus because of the EU antitrust fine of $1.45 billion they had to pay two months ago.

MSNBC about the fine, May 13, 2009

swarfega

Still the fat lady didn't sing yet: Microsoft faces more EU anti-trust probes - V3.co.uk - formerly vnunet.com

knuckles84

�� Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa

Still the fat lady didn't sing yet: Microsoft faces more EU anti-trust probes - V3.co.uk - formerly vnunet.com

It seems there�s no end to this in sight.

Lordofminor

Just pre-ordered professional

Nil Einne

pre-ordered 3x Home Premium

Nil Einne

I think I will get VLC keys for Professional version..

Dzomlija

�� Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010

This was not brought on by big American companies, but a small Norwegian one that has a crappy browser, the EU dictators didn't need to listen to then (just like they don't listen to the public)

Actually while Opera may have initated the complaint, both Google and Mozilla joined in. The European Commision does need to enforce the laws, and if MS was abusing their monopoly in violation of EU law, as they have found to be doing in the US, the EU, South Korea and Japan, then the European Commision needs to take action. And that's even if they don't receive any complaint. (Note that despite what some people seem to think, Norway is not part of the EU, even though they are bound by most European law as they are part of the European Economic Area)

Let's not forget Microsoft was nearly split up in to two by the US. And Microsoft are perfectly entitled to challenge the decision if they believe it has no merit. The reason they haven't is likely because they know they are breaking the law.

BTW, the reason why Apple does not have these problems is because as much as many of us may dislike Apple (I certainly do) they do not have a monopoly so not surprisingly, they've never been found of abusing their monopoly position. If Apple did have a monopoly position you can bet your ass they would be investigated in multiple countries for their practices.

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark

�� Warning

If you do not download an Internet Browser & save to another source before installing Windows 7E you will NOT have access to the internet

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That's complete bull****. You don't need an web browser to use the internet. Just because some people don't know the difference between the web and the internet, doesn't mean it's acceptable to spread false claims like that on these forums which are after all intended for a technical audience who should know the difference. Windows 7E will come with Windows Update which uses the internet, activation which can use the internet, in some versions Remote Desktop, ditto, a e-mail client, unless they removed it a command line FTP client which can be used to download stuff including a web browser if you so desire and other servers and client which can connect to the internet in various ways.

Heck for some people IM and bittorrent is more important then a web browser

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Nil Einne

That's complete bull****. You don't need an web browser to use the internet. Just because some people don't know the difference between the web and the internet, doesn't mean it's acceptable to spread false claims like that on these forums which are after all intended for a technical audience who should know the difference. Windows 7E will come with Windows Update which uses the internet, activation which can use the internet, in some versions Remote Desktop, ditto, a e-mail client, unless they removed it a command line FTP client which can be used to download stuff including a web browser if you so desire and other servers and client which can connect to the internet in various ways.

Heck for some people IM and bittorrent is more important then a web browser

Fair enough argument, but how many rookie users know enough to be able to use command line FTP etc to download a browser. Can Windows Update be used to download and install IE or Firefox? Where will an IM or bittorrent client come from without a browser to use for the download.

Again, how many rookie/novice/noob users have enough knowledge to use command line tools for ftp? If they did have that knowledge, then they won't BE novices, now would they??

Win7exp

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Kari

It seems there�s no end to this in sight.

just bargaining chips to get MS to finally behave according to the law. You add an option screen to windows and we'll go easy on the other laws you broke. Common when handling criminals.

For the record, also breaking a white collar law makes you a criminal. MS was convicted and fined for breaking the anti-trust laws and as such is not exactly a trustworthy partner to put it mildly.

tuckeratlarge

guess I will have to since its cheaper here now than in USA

gurm42

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija

Fair enough argument, but how many rookie users know enough to be able to use command line FTP etc to download a browser. Can Windows Update be used to download and install IE or Firefox? Where will an IM or bittorrent client come from without a browser to use for the download.

Again, how many rookie/novice/noob users have enough knowledge to use command line tools for ftp? If they did have that knowledge, then they won't BE novices, now would they??

Windows Update can be used to download IE8.

Novice or pro - it only takes a slip of paper in the box to instruct how to download IE. Anybody who uses Firefox will have the wherewithal not to have a problem with any of this.

Most people who buy the software on disc and not pre-installed will no doubt have Firefox/Chrome on a usb stick or disc.

I would wager that OEM pre-installs on a new PC will have a variety of browsers already installed.

This whole argument is moot.

Orbital Shark

My concern?

How much of Windows depends on IE?

Sure, they've removed the "integration", but at the expense of features I'd imagine. Your explorer windows? IE. Office? IE. Half of the GUI is rendered by IE's DLL's. Have they replaced every single point of integration?

I'm betting the answer is no. I'm betting that the "E" edition offers a SUBSTANTIALLY degraded experience. Y'know, to make the lawmakers happy.

Orbital Shark

�� Quote: Originally Posted by gurm42

My concern?

How much of Windows depends on IE?

Sure, they've removed the "integration", but at the expense of features I'd imagine. Your explorer windows? IE. Office? IE. Half of the GUI is rendered by IE's DLL's. Have they replaced every single point of integration?

i'm sure no one at MS knows where I ends and E begins. I'm also sure it's impossible to separate the 2 now. That they didn't lie when they said they couldn't get it out. Not for lack of (well at least not totally) of will but in great part because the code is now in a state where it's completely beyond any human competence to visualize it's state of integration.

Already with the source code for the shuttle it was admitted that the code was beyond human comprehension and i remember it to be a couple of million lines at the time.

Most blocks of code are generated by codegenerators which in turn are quality controlled by computerized processes. They are then assembled into the codebase via an automated proces that collates the code.

Which is then computer tested.

No way in hell anyone is going to comprehend that, but of course admitting to the world that MS has no idea how it's code works is not what i would advise them to do.

So better to brave the onslaught of the EU, try to make the best of it, hide IE's components and hope for the best.

Dinesh

ffs people, it's just an internet browser. if you people want to get political about something, then get political about something important.

if you want IE, then download IE. it's really quite simple.

it's probably not gone anyway. i bet if i type Google into the address bar of Explorer, it will go online...

HyperL

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Nil Einne

That's complete bull****. You don't need an web browser to use the internet. Just because some people don't know the difference between the web and the internet, doesn't mean it's acceptable to spread false claims like that on these forums which are after all intended for a technical audience who should know the difference. Windows 7E will come with Windows Update which uses the internet, activation which can use the internet, in some versions Remote Desktop, ditto, a e-mail client, unless they removed it a command line FTP client which can be used to download stuff including a web browser if you so desire and other servers and client which can connect to the internet in various ways.

Heck for some people IM and bittorrent is more important then a web browser

LOL saying i'm full of sh*t!!

I may be a Guru & a Gold Member, but i'm no 'Command line FTP' expert!! Here's a quote from Microsoft's Win7E page.....

Quote:

The E versions of Windows 7 do not contain an Internet browser. Please get a browser from Microsoft or a third party and have it on a CD/DVD or another device so it�s ready to install after the Windows 7 installation is complete.

Here's the source, to give a little bit of light reading for you

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija

Again, how many rookie/novice/noob users have enough knowledge to use command line tools for ftp? If they did have that knowledge, then they won't BE novices, now would they??

Not me

Guest

If its just missing IE and saving you some bucks then its not a bad idea. For those who want it and they want to install firefox, then simply open an elevated command prompt and type:

ftp ftp.mozilla.org
anonymous
1234
lcd c:\
cd pub
cd mozilla.org
cd firefox
cd releases
cd 2.0
cd win32
cd en-US
get "Firefox Setup3.0 exe"

Guest

I voted for Yes, and not because I don't like IE or because I am a big fan of the EU, but because it will be the only available version to buy from my country. I will certainly install IE8 and Chrome because these are the browsers that I use. Does anybody knows from where can I pre-order W7 Home Premium in Romania? (maybe some of the Romanian users)
I'm sure that there is a way to get IE via WU and live happily ever after...

Orbital Shark

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark

Not me

that's what you get for posing as a Dutch, we are on to your tricks, Goldmember....

gurm42

�� Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa

that's what you get for posing as a Dutch, we are on to your tricks, Goldmember....

Dutch?? Where'd you get that from?

Dinesh

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark

Dutch?? Where'd you get that from?

GoldMember in the the Austin Powers movie is a dutch pervert

Orbital Shark

�� Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa

GoldMember in the the Austin Powers movie is a dutch pervert

I'm DUTCH! Izn't dat ve-ird!?

Win7exp

Guys lets stick on the topic.

X360

�� Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa

GoldMember in the the Austin Powers movie is a dutch pervert

OK, i'm going off topic for a minute

The avatar is to match my Gold Member badge awarded for 2000+ posts

End of story

Right, back OT, I'm still not buying Windows 7E!!! LOL

Kari

I doubt very much 7E will really see the light of day in the form MS proclaims.
From what i understand recently they're seriously being muscled.
Anyway there's no way in hell Ms Kroes is going to quit office without having eaten her pound of MS flesh.

Guest

for those who are getting Windows 7 E, check this tutorial out

it will help you download a browser through Media Player

Guest

if i buy windows 7e ultimate will this key work with say a US windows 7 disk ?

Guest

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Win7exp

for those who are getting Windows 7 E, check this tutorial out

it will help you download a browser through Media Player

Trying, but keep getting this message:

Somebody with more knowledge out there, please explain this to me.

matt_0978

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Win7exp

for those who are getting Windows 7 E, check this tutorial out

it will help you download a browser through Media Player

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Kari

Trying, but keep getting this message:
Attachment 18870
Somebody with more knowledge out there, please explain this to me.

come on guy, whats going on with this?

z3r010

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Kari

Trying, but keep getting this message:
Attachment 18870
Somebody with more knowledge out there, please explain this to me.

The post was removed as it was a direct copy and paste of somebody elses work.

For the original go here - http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/07...er-in-3-steps/

StonR

I fill MS Owes me a os becase this vista crap that came with my PC....

Win7exp

�� Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010

The post was removed as it was a direct copy and paste of somebody elses work.

For the original go here - Downloading a browser in E, without a browser, in 3 steps - Within Windows

at least I gave credit! i posted the source!

Kari

�� Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010

The post was removed as it was a direct copy and paste of somebody elses work.

For the original go here - Downloading a browser in E, without a browser, in 3 steps - Within Windows

Thanks. I was thinking it have to be something like that.

matt_0978

nvm that anyway, bottom line is IE is integrated into the OS, but MS were forced to add a kill switch. Windows wouldn't even work without IE in it.

gurm42

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Win7exp

for those who are getting Windows 7 E, check this tutorial out

it will help you download a browser through Media Player

Because... wait for it... MEDIA PLAYER CONTAINS IE!

gurm42

�� Quote: Originally Posted by matt0978

nvm that anyway, bottom line is IE is integrated into the OS, but MS were forced to add a kill switch. Windows wouldn't even work without IE in it.

Quoted for TRUTH.

Handycam

Can't understand why you bother. Changes that 7E doesn't ship as published by MS is because it's just a bargaining chip in the MS-EU powerplay.
Where you, the gullible, are the patsies.

MS just hopes you guys build up enough head of steam so EU backs down. Unfortunately for MS 'the lady is not for turning'.

Working to Fulfill our Legal Obligations in Europe for Windows 7 - Microsoft On The Issues

Microsoft faces more EU anti-trust probes - V3.co.uk - formerly vnunet.com

IEBlog : Changes to IE8's First Run

this game isn't over yet. Be sure Ms Kroes is going to get her pound of MS flesh before october.

Guest

Got to love politics these days -_-


But yeah I will buy it / USA


Sucks having a tyrannical big brother eh?

Creer

Outdated thread

Good news everyone, MS abandons 7E
Microsoft abandons Windows 7 E edition for Europe | News | PC Pro

Dark Nova Gamer

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Creer

Outdated thread

Good news everyone, MS abandons 7E
Microsoft abandons Windows 7 E edition for Europe | News | PC Pro

That is good news, but the last post in this thread was over 30 days ago.

Creer

�� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGundam

That is good news, but the last post in this thread was over 30 days ago.

Sorry, I just wanted to share with others with this great news.

Dark Nova Gamer

�� Quote: Originally Posted by Creer

Sorry, I just wanted to share with others with this great news.

Its okay, don't worry. I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, I was just pointing out that this thread is no longer active.