Thứ Năm, 18 tháng 8, 2016

Moon Hoax? part 2


mxosder16

In honor of the 40th anniversary of the moon 'landings' i thought it would be fun to take our minds away from windows 7 for a bit and try and figure out if man actually set foot on the moon.
Here is a good site with some decent points:
The Apollo Hoax?

Personally i have my doubts. What do you guys think?

Tews

Im sorry, but as soon as I found out the Jose Escamilia was involved with the "evidence" being presented, that was all I needed to know... This is the Nutter who claims that "rods" zip through the air --==> Clicky

mxosder16

I could be wrong but he isn't the guy that invented the moon conspiracy theory

Tews

Yep he's the one .. I've listened to him on Coast to Coast quite a few times ...

Charles Kane

Get a life. Armstrong, Aldrin and all the US astronauts were heroes, as were the techs and scientists who achieved this wonderful feat.
To suggest this was a hoax is utterly stupid for any Win7 user!
There isn't a single claimed reason why the landing was staged that hasn't been thoroughly debunked by a legion of clear thinking scientists.
Let alone to ask the rather obvious question as to how thousands of patriotic honest god fearing Americans would lie for 40 years and NOT ONE would crack and say that it was a hoax.
Bunkum. Haven't we got better things to spend our time on?

LFB

I like some conspiracy theories...

But man really walked on the moon... that's a fact...

Let's see in 2018 with Constellation Mission back to moon and show the footprints and all the evidences...

holo88

i believe man DID in fact walk on the moon. however i dont think it was in the 60's like they say. like late 80's probably, just to do it. in the 60's it was a race, now nobody gives a crap. "oh wow! the moon! ..... lets go to the mall!"

booo-weeee-hooooo (O_O)

Captain Frag

"One sceptic on the Bad astronomy sceptics web group has even said it is a hair??? on both the rock and ground? Now who's trying to cover things up?"

On the film maybe? hehe

"Some of the lighting on 'official NASA film' are very suspect. The NASA picture to the left should show the astronaut in complete shadow because the sun is behind him, and yet the whole of the astronaut is caught in bright light? The shot should appear like the one on the right which was simulated by David Percy."

Light reflected off the moons surface. :P
And i thought of that in 2 seconds....

swarfega

Man did land on the moon. End of discussion. I wish these discussions would die away.

Captain Frag

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by swarfega View Post
Man did land on the moon. End of discussion. I wish these discussions would die away.
Haha, why? It's fun to poke sceptics.

jimbo45

Hi all
We've had some "Moon Sandwiches" which really DOES prove that the moon is made up of Green Cheese and that Hollywood still rules the Appollo missions.

Seriously guys what a shame that even now after 40 years we still only have the "boring Dinosaur Technology" of the Space Shuttle - which hasn't had anything new in it since Concorde days.

We should at least have a settlement on Mars now -- had Earth worked together on these projects we could possibly have avoided wars like Vietnam, IRAQ, Afghanistan etc and Japan, India, China etc would aslo have become involved. We probably would have avoided the current recession as well and discovered more useful sources of Green Energy etc.

40 years wasted IMO -- at least they are thinking about reviving some of these programs -- Real jobs --better than pourin g Trillions into the Bankers greedy mits -- and just loook at the Bonuses Goldman Sachs are gettin g this year AFTER being rescued by US Federal Govt.

Cheers
jimbo

Captain Frag

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi all
We've had some "Moon Sandwiches" which really DOES prove that the moon is made up of Green Cheese and that Hollywood still rules the Appollo missions.

Seriously guys what a shame that even now after 40 years we still only have the "boring Dinosaur Technology" of the Space Shuttle - which hasn't had anything new in it since Concorde days.

We should at least have a settlement on Mars now -- had Earth worked together on these projects we could possibly have avoided wars like Vietnam, IRAQ, Afghanistan etc and Japan, India, China etc would aslo have become involved. We probably would have avoided the current recession as well and discovered more useful sources of Green Energy etc.

40 years wasted IMO -- at least they are thinking about reviving some of these programs -- Real jobs --better than pourin g Trillions into the Bankers greedy mits -- and just loook at the Bonuses Goldman Sachs are gettin g this year AFTER being rescued by US Federal Govt.

Cheers
jimbo
This

DJG

I wouldn't doubt at all that some PR genius at the time came up with doctored or fake images for the press because it looked more like what they wanted to show. But there's way too much real time, effort, budget and collateral evidence, including several missions, to make this a hoax. Anybody who has witnessed a Saturn 5 lift-off just knows .

Dinesh

This was all fake just to show that they are ahead of USSR in astronomy.

windows7user

*sarcasm* Of course it's all a hoax. The pictures the astronauts took show that the Earth is round. Everyone knows the Earth is flat. *sarcasm*

ciphernemo

I never doubted the landing and still really don't, but this week was the anniversary week of the moon landing, and something odd struck me.

I watched some 4 hours of documentaries, and one piece of footage keeps puzzling me.

There is one film shot showing the lunar module leaving the moon.

The shot is taken from the moon. And more surprising is that the camera is tracking the takeoff and even zooming in.

What puzzles me is how the camera could move and zoom without anybody operating it?
Or did they have some kind of remote on the camera?
How could one operate the remote so perfectly keeping the module in perfect view and focus, while being ejected with incredible speed off the moon?

And would they have time for operating a camera while being busy ejecting of the moon?
If it wasn't manually done, was the camera preprogrammed?
There were no computers in those days small enough to fit in a camera, so how did that work?

That camera also would have had to have a broadcasting device.
How would the footage otherwise find it's way to earth?

That must have been one hell of a sophisticated camera.

I don't believe or don't want to believe the moon landing didn't happen.
I would be shocked because it is one of my earliest memories.
I was 3 yrs old, but I remember watching it with my family in front of the black and white tv.
I didn't understand then what I was watching, but I did remember it.

The moving and zooming camera is a mystery to me.

Maybe one of you could shed some light on it.

this is the link to the footage on youtube.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOdzhQS_MMw"]YouTube - Last Humans on the Moon[/ame]

Greetz

ciphernemo

Hahahaha! Thanks for the link and the laugh. I always enjoy reading conspiracy theories for the sheer entertainment value.

It's all too easy to fall into that trap of believing theories because one finds possible fault or unknowns in something presented to them by anyone with authority. The human mind loves to fill in the gaps and make conclusions by stringing together these 'unknowns' to prove/disprove something. However, it is much more amusing to see this happen to someone else.

fseal

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Seriously guys what a shame that even now after 40 years we still only have the "boring Dinosaur Technology" of the Space Shuttle - which hasn't had anything new in it since Concorde days.

We should at least have a settlement on Mars now (...)
Well, in fact we have a LOT of advancement in designs and testings since the old televised Shuttle launch days when a NASA launch was something the whole nation paused to watch.

Unfortunately it isn't a hot topic for the media and sees very little press coverage compared to sensationalistic headlines. But it's always a hot topic for me.

New NASA astronauts will never fly on shuttle - Space.com- msnbc.com

Guest

Well the Japanese recently imaged sevveral apollo landing sites and have independant photographic evidence ot the activities.

APOLLO LANDING SITES IMAGED BY LRO! | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

Of course NASA could have paid the Japanese billions of yen to fake the photos I guess! (The "great" thing about conspiracy is that you can say just about ANYTHING and there will be some % of the population that will think you are right.)

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ciphernemo View Post
Hahahaha! Thanks for the link and the laugh. I always enjoy reading conspiracy theories for the sheer entertainment value.

It's all too easy to fall into that trap of believing theories because one finds possible fault or unknowns in something presented to them by anyone with authority. The human mind loves to fill in the gaps and make conclusions by stringing together these 'unknowns' to prove/disprove something. However, it is much more amusing to see this happen to someone else.
Hi ciphernemo,

I am not a believer in the conspiracy theory.

I just would like to know how they did the shot?

A from earth controlled camera would have a 3 second lag time. (time for the current image to travel to earth, and the time to send a control command back to the camera)

It would be hard to track anything with a 3 second lag.

I just find it remarkable.

If anyone can figure out how they did it. let me know.

DJG

Actually wouldn't be so hard. Focus not a problem because it's probably a wide angle lens with a high f-stop, since there's plenty of light. A remote servo mounting controlled by a crew member watching on a TV monitor aboard the LEM would make this quite simple.

mickey megabyte

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DJG View Post
Actually wouldn't be so hard. Focus not a problem because it's probably a wide angle lens with a high f-stop, since there's plenty of light. A remote servo mounting controlled by a crew member watching on a TV monitor aboard the LEM would make this quite simple.
Ok, sounds plausible, although keeping the module in the middle of the frame while being ejected at high speed would be more tricky than you suggest.

Tews

we all know that "Bush hid the facts" - maybe LBJ did too?

mickey megabyte

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte View Post
we all know that "Bush hid the facts" - maybe LBJ did too?
A Lame Brained Jackass was president during the moon landing, but it was not LBJ.

ukgovsucks

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
A Lame Brained Jackass was president during the moon landing, but it was not LBJ.
"I am not a crook" I think he was living in the dark side of his bicameral mind ..

mxosder16

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by squonksc View Post
I never doubted the landing and still really don't, but this week was the anniversary week of the moon landing, and something odd struck me.

I watched some 4 hours of documentaries, and one piece of footage keeps puzzling me.

There is one film shot showing the lunar module leaving the moon.

The shot is taken from the moon. And more surprising is that the camera is tracking the takeoff and even zooming in.

What puzzles me is how the camera could move and zoom without anybody operating it?
Or did they have some kind of remote on the camera?
How could one operate the remote so perfectly keeping the module in perfect view and focus, while being ejected with incredible speed off the moon?

And would they have time for operating a camera while being busy ejecting of the moon?
If it wasn't manually done, was the camera preprogrammed?
There were no computers in those days small enough to fit in a camera, so how did that work?

That camera also would have had to have a broadcasting device.
How would the footage otherwise find it's way to earth?

That must have been one hell of a sophisticated camera.

I don't believe or don't want to believe the moon landing didn't happen.
I would be shocked because it is one of my earliest memories.
I was 3 yrs old, but I remember watching it with my family in front of the black and white tv.
I didn't understand then what I was watching, but I did remember it.

The moving and zooming camera is a mystery to me.

Maybe one of you could shed some light on it.

this is the link to the footage on youtube.

YouTube - Last Humans on the Moon

Greetz
I was a bit older than you that night and wondered that very thing. many years later when rc models were popular I tried it and found it was suprisingly easy to replicate. I doubt it was programmed but probably just one lucky person in mission control. I too want to believe, and given there is no proof choose to.

Ken

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
A Lame Brained Jackass was president during the moon landing, but it was not LBJ.
ah sorry - you have at least two advantages over me:

1 - i'm a brit
2 - i was 18 months old at the time

thanks for the correction (although LBJ must have been in on the conspiracy first! )

Guest

You know, I've always believed and wanted to believe that they did go to the Moon 40 years ago, but I have so much distrust of the American and UK Governments (Plus others!) that I have become quite sceptical. I think the biggest thing for me that makes me doubt the thing has to be the flag flapping around in the non-existant wind? I would still like somebody to explain that to me? I would love to say "Great stuff, now I'm happy to believe it!". One theory is that the Moon landing footage was filmed at Groom Lake, Nevada, just along from the non-existant Military Base Area 51. (Another US cover-up). Apparently the barren land around there looks just like a surface of a Moon, and of course, nobody could ever get close enough to see them film this as the US Military own miles of land all around!

I think it's good to be sceptical about things and not just blindly believe everythings that's told to you. Not exactly a very clever thing to do. Next thing you'll be saying is that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction! lol. (oh look, he didn't)

The human race does make me laugh. We believe things we are told that are believable, but we dismiss things immediately when they are unbelievable.

I'm sorry to say that Governments are not exactly 100% honest.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ukgovsucks View Post

I think it's good to be sceptical about things and not just blindly believe everythings that's told to you.

I'm sorry to say that Governments are not exactly 100% honest.
Agree with you on those points.

How about the magic bullet in the JFK killing?
They want us to believe it changed it's trajectory 7 times, entering two different body's.

But before I would dismiss the idea of landing of the moon, I would need a lot of conclusive evidence.

If it was a hoax, it will come out one day, but for now I assume it's not a hoax until proven otherwise.

Also because I like the idea of landing on the moon a lot more than the idea of it being a hoax.

Greetz

Guest

Quote:
I think the biggest thing for me that makes me doubt the thing has to be the flag flapping around in the non-existant wind? I would still like somebody to explain that to me?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8"]YouTube - Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax[/ame]

ciphernemo

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte View Post
1 - i'm a brit
Nobody's perfect.

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte View Post
LBJ must have been in on the conspiracy first!
LBJ was so popular, even dead people voted for him. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrOeqAEocA"]YouTube - Enjoy Destroy - L.B.J. live[/ame]

ciphernemo

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by squonksc View Post
Agree with you on those points.

How about the magic bullet in the JFK killing?
They want us to believe it changed it's trajectory 7 times, entering two different body's.

But before I would dismiss the idea of landing of the moon, I would need a lot of conclusive evidence.
LOL! What the heck does JFK have to do with the moon landing?

matt_0978

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ciphernemo View Post
LOL! What the heck does JFK have to do with the moon landing?
Other than it was his idea? Actually, JFK proposed the moon landing in clandestine support of Mafia desires to widen their distribution and control networks. Everybody who is somebody (EWIS) knows this. EWIS communications were once embedded in low-budget Hollywood releases. One such example is Earth Girls Are Easy, where JFK's b*st*rd children, Damon Wayans and Jim Carrey are paired for the first time. Wayans and Carrey currently form the High Leadership Council of EWIS, and revenues from their movies are now the primary funding source for a more wide-ranging comm network. What do you think the Remote Procedure Call service on your Windows OS really does?

Come on, get a clue. EWIS is everywhere. [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rNfZxgkH7k"]YouTube - Cause I'm a Blond[/nomedia]

DJG

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
Wayans and Carrey currently form the High Leadership Council of EWIS, and revenues from their movies are now the primary funding source for a more wide-ranging comm network. What do you think the Remote Procedure Call service on your Windows OS really does?

Come on, get a clue. EWIS is everywhere. YouTube - Cause I'm a Blond
Hahaha, thanks for the humor. -::lol::-

/shakesfist at things he does not understand and is too lazy to research. Darn you, Remote Procedure Call service! If I disable you, Windows doesn't work. If I enable you, I need to put on my tinfoil hat.... and that thing gets uncomfortably hot.

Tews

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
Nobody's perfect.
we're human, so i'll reiterate NOBODY'S PERFECT

Dinesh

It's pretty sad that people think the moon landing was a hoax or that 9/11 was an inside job.

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
Other than it was his idea? Actually, JFK proposed the moon landing in clandestine support of Mafia desires to widen their distribution and control networks. Everybody who is somebody (EWIS) knows this. EWIS communications were once embedded in low-budget Hollywood releases. One such example is Earth Girls Are Easy, where JFK's b*st*rd children, Damon Wayans and Jim Carrey are paired for the first time. Wayans and Carrey currently form the High Leadership Council of EWIS, and revenues from their movies are now the primary funding source for a more wide-ranging comm network. What do you think the Remote Procedure Call service on your Windows OS really does?

Come on, get a clue. EWIS is everywhere. YouTube - Cause I'm a Blond
Dang, and here I was thinking people watched Earth Girls Are Easy just to see Gina Davis run around in a bikini!

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ten View Post
Please make sure to give me some negative reputation. Thanks!
Hmm are the MODS playing around again, I wonder??

Guest

ten has not made any friends yet

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ten View Post
It's pretty sad that people think the moon landing was a hoax or that 9/11 was an inside job.
your both statements are 100% correct.

ciphernemo

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
ten has not made any friends yet
Gives ten a friendly wave... and ten's avatar gives me the finger. heheheh

DJG

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ciphernemo View Post
LOL! What the heck does JFK have to do with the moon landing?
Both were major historic events, and both are claimed to be conspiracy's.
that's why I compared the two.

You would have to read back a few pages to put the remark into the right context.

But for the record: I don't believe the moon landing was a hoax or conspiracy.

About JFK's assassination, I know it was

By the way:
I saw someone mentioning 9/11 as a conspiracy.
It was convenient for Bush and his evil clan, but the idea of it being a conspiracy is ridiculous.

If that turns out to be true, I will believe the moonlanding was a hoax too.

greetz.

ciphernemo

As Antman mentioned, JFK spearheaded the moon landing effort as a way of one-upping the Soviet Union. There's a famous speech where he makes the commitment to have an American land on the moon before the end of the decade and gave the project his full backing.

ciphernemo

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by squonksc View Post
It was convenient for Bush and his evil clan, but the idea of it being a conspiracy is ridiculous.
I might die of laughter in this thread... "evil clan"... lol! What will people imagine next? Sorry if I'm taking advantage of you for my own entertainment values.

Seriously, though, I'm glad you agree that the idea of 9/11 conspiracy is ridiculous.

DJG

Don't forget to mention the drug distribution syndicate that JFK secretly masterminded and spread to the Soviet Union to create internal turmoil for the KGB. That gave NASA time to send out their trained chimps from Alaska's coast to infiltrate the Soviet Union and steal their space-faring technology.

mickey megabyte

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ciphernemo View Post
I might die of laughter in this thread... "evil clan"... lol! What will people imagine next? Sorry if I'm taking advantage of you for my own entertainment values.

Seriously, though, I'm glad you agree that the idea of 9/11 conspiracy is ridiculous.
Glad to make you laugh. you're welcome.

But wouldn't you call Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the likes of them evil?

They are evil IMHO.
But that doesn't mean I believe they would kill over 6000 of their fellow country men and women.

As for George W Bush, he's too plain stupid to be evil.

DJG

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by ciphernemo View Post
Don't forget to mention the drug distribution syndicate that JFK secretly masterminded and spread to the Soviet Union to create internal turmoil for the KGB. That gave NASA time to send out their trained chimps from Alaska's coast to infiltrate the Soviet Union and steal their space-faring technology.
Didn't they hijack the original moon vehicle and founded Planet of the Apes?

Win7User512

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by DJG View Post
Didn't they hijack the original moon vehicle and founded Planet of the Apes?
no, that's only what they want you to think...

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte View Post
no, that's only what they want you to think...
Dang! Gotta hand it to those clever simians - they sure had me fooled!

Guest

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by redsoxm16 View Post
In honor of the 40th anniversary of the moon 'landings' i thought it would be fun to take our minds away from windows 7 for a bit and try and figure out if man actually set foot on the moon.
Here is a good site with some decent points:
The Apollo Hoax?

Personally i have my doubts. What do you guys think?
I see nothing compelling. All "major" claims have been easily explained.

Win7User512

Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by Tews View Post
Yep he's the one .. I've listened to him on Coast to Coast quite a few times ...
I just discovered that Coast to Coast show by stumbling upon it on youtube (audio over a simple video).

Have you heard the discussions with Bob Lazar? If so, what do you make of his stories?


Quote�� Quote: Originally Posted by squonksc View Post
I never doubted the landing and still really don't, but this week was the anniversary week of the moon landing, and something odd struck me.

I watched some 4 hours of documentaries, and one piece of footage keeps puzzling me.

There is one film shot showing the lunar module leaving the moon.

The shot is taken from the moon. And more surprising is that the camera is tracking the takeoff and even zooming in.

What puzzles me is how the camera could move and zoom without anybody operating it?
Or did they have some kind of remote on the camera?
How could one operate the remote so perfectly keeping the module in perfect view and focus, while being ejected with incredible speed off the moon?

And would they have time for operating a camera while being busy ejecting of the moon?
If it wasn't manually done, was the camera preprogrammed?
There were no computers in those days small enough to fit in a camera, so how did that work?

That camera also would have had to have a broadcasting device.
How would the footage otherwise find it's way to earth?


The moving and zooming camera is a mystery to me.

Maybe one of you could shed some light on it.

this is the link to the footage on youtube.

YouTube - Last Humans on the Moon

Greetz
I questioned that too. But it could be explained by it being a film camera.

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