Hello, I am looking for a 3rd party search tool wich is about similar to Windows XP search tool.
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by juandante 
Hello, I am looking for a 3rd party search tool wich is about similar to Windows XP search tool.
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
There is something called check everything download it here. Everything Search Engine
Good luck
Ken
Oh and how do I enable the CTRL+F shortcut to be able to search directly in a folder ?
Wy would you need something other than what's included? If you want to search in a specific folder, you can enter your search term right in the search box in Explorer. The search would be one of the last things I'd think you'd need a third-party replacement for. It puts XP's search to shame, and then some.
Hello, did someone find a software for that problem ? That would be great
You already have a search box in Explorer now...there's no problem that software needs to fix. In fact, if you hit CTRL+F, it moves a cursor up into that search box, so you can type what you want to search for. It's already there, by default, in Windows 7.
my usual suggestions
Locate32 - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com
Super Finder - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com
Carmine
Locate32 - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com
Super Finder - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com
Carmine
I have to be honest, I see a lot of requests for 3rd party search apps. For the life of me, I can't figure out why. Windows 7 search feature is absolutely incredible. As DeconFrost said "It puts XP's search to shame." When I first got Windows 7 installed, I quickly realized that the new search feature was by far, the most improved feature in Windows history. It's almost limitless. Most users having issues with Windows 7 search need to understand how to use it. With that knowledge, the power of what Windows 7 search can do is utterly astounding!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mborner It's almost limitless. Most users having issues with Windows 7 search need to understand how to use it. With that knowledge, the power of what Windows 7 search can do is utterly astounding!
I'm always in the market for greater understanding...can you (and Deacon) post your favorite Win7 search resources? Thanks!
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert post your favorite Win7 search resources?
The odd part is, it does exactly what the OP is asking about...already...by default.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert �� Quote: Originally Posted by mborner It's almost limitless. Most users having issues with Windows 7 search need to understand how to use it. With that knowledge, the power of what Windows 7 search can do is utterly astounding!
I'm always in the market for greater understanding...can you (and Deacon) post your favorite Win7 search resources? Thanks!
James
Great reference book. I would imagine, though, that the Windows search feature would be covered thoroughly in any Windows book.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert post your favorite Win7 search resources?
The odd part is, it does exactly what the OP is asking about...already...by default.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mborner I picked up a fantastic book called "Windows 7, the Missing Manual" By David Pogue.
Great reference book. I would imagine, though, that the Windows search feature would be covered thoroughly in any Windows book.
Great reference book. I would imagine, though, that the Windows search feature would be covered thoroughly in any Windows book.
But, seemingly, there are many who don't achieve the level of success that others do. Yet, as you and mborner have demonstrated, that 'success' is available, apparently without jumping through hoops. I myself find Win 7 search inconsistent. Not infrequently, it doesn't find files in the directory I search, even though I can see the file. Sometimes this is resolved by using the available filters, sometimes not. I myself ocassionally use Snowbird and also Everything, as I know beyond doubt that proper (complete and accurate) results will be obtained (at least filename based searches). I can't always say this concerning Win 7 search. Even when Win 7 was in beta, the BT groups had many posts regarding issues with win 7 search.
That being the case, it seems that there are 2 conclusions to be drawn:
1) That those of us who are not seeing consistent success are not properly using Win 7 search
2) That, somehow, win 7 search is inconsistent across a wide swath of machines.
I suppose a combination of the two is possible as well, and perhaps there are other factors, one of which is that the majority of those of us having trouble are simply incompetent. I consider this last the least viable of the possiblities.
As to #1, this is the intent of my question: are you and others who have have success simply typing in simple search names based on content and /or filename without any filters, tricks or 'special entries', or are you using the syntax and filters to be found at microsoft.com? If the former, then conclusion #2 would seem applicable. If the latter, well, #2 would still retain validity in my case, as even with filters, my results can be inconsistent. I would much prefer to use W7 search exclusively, but to do so, I must be confident in the results. Thus, when I see a thread such as this, my interest is piqued in the hope that I might glean some new information that I can apply to my searches.
Perhaps through this thread, something new can be added. Thanks for your thoughts.
James
James Colbert, I agree with your post entirely. I, myself, don't have such issues with Windows 7 search. However, it would be fair to let everyone know that I have a very basic system. I have a single partition C:\ with Windows on it, that's it. I have not separated my data from my OS, on multiple partitions or multiple drives. I have one external drive that is used for backups only. I truly believe that those having issues have very complex setups with dual boots, multiple OS's, multiple partitions, multiple external drives, data stored here, data stored there, etc. I would imagine that these users don't even know what's indexed and what's not. All I know is, on my basic system, on a single C:\ partition, Windows 7 works, period. I can see why users with multiple partitions/drives are having issues, it gets very complex.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert are you and others who have have success simply typing in simple search names based on content and /or filename without any filters, tricks or 'special entries', or are you using the syntax and filters to be found at microsoft.com? If the former, then conclusion #2 would seem applicable. If the latter, well, #2 would still retain validity in my case, as even with filters, my results can be inconsistent.
The only issue we have found is that searches don't include mapped network drives, but I am fine with that. If I go to the drive in explorer, and then search for what I want...it is always found. The search initiated from the Start Menu does not include them.
I really have never heard of inconsistencies with search, and it was a feature I touted heavily to my users before the upgrade. They use it often and love it. It just works, and works well.
I have never tested searching for a document that resides in the "My" folders of another local user, but that wouldn't concern me much because I don't and haven't ever used those folders. My D drives always have folders for Documents, Pictures, etc...and that's where I store everything. My users, however, ALL use the My Documents folders, and have no issues.
I also find Everything Search Engine very useful.
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like http://www.mythicsoft.com/page.aspx?...e=agentransack - to search for file contents
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like http://www.mythicsoft.com/page.aspx?...e=agentransack - to search for file contents
Thanks, Deacon & mborner for posting your methods and setups. Details like this may teach us something new. I also find that network drives are not an issue for me (for the moment...), but I do make use of multiple partitions. I have 12 on my production machine (spread across 4 drives), and I edit Indexing Options so that I am not indexing all resources, but only those I feel useful.
I am very organized with my systems, and the reality is that my directories are meaningful and well structured. Most times, I remember where I put a file and what its name is. In the last few years, however, life has become busier (and, of course, I have grown older and perhaps less cognizant than I used to be
).
My search experiences:
I have about 1/2 of my partitions indexed. Searching from Computer takes forever, often longer than I wish to wait. After several minutes, I generally just cancel the search. During this time, I don't believe that it's searching unindexed partitions, as the 'info bar' stating such (along with the usual disclaimer) doesn't appear (at least not by the time I cancel). This is usually the result, even when the search is for a file on my D:\ (Data) drive.
The screenshot (poor quality...taken with camera in darkened room then imported and snipped, as snip tool would not work without start menu search 'going away') illustrates my point. The filename I searched for is shown on the front WE window. Also shown is the non-results returned by the start menu search and (3rd window back) the Computer search (Green Ribbon of Death), which I canceled after 10 minutes.
Although a search with D:\ selected in the Explorer window did return results in this case (not shown), often, it doesn't.
At any rate, I'm sure this post has become incoherant, as I've had a long day and am facing another tomorrow. I just wanted to post a clearer picture of what issues I have with search, and what others may be experiencing also. I can't type anymore...I'll check back sometime tomorrow.
James
I am very organized with my systems, and the reality is that my directories are meaningful and well structured. Most times, I remember where I put a file and what its name is. In the last few years, however, life has become busier (and, of course, I have grown older and perhaps less cognizant than I used to be
).My search experiences:
I have about 1/2 of my partitions indexed. Searching from Computer takes forever, often longer than I wish to wait. After several minutes, I generally just cancel the search. During this time, I don't believe that it's searching unindexed partitions, as the 'info bar' stating such (along with the usual disclaimer) doesn't appear (at least not by the time I cancel). This is usually the result, even when the search is for a file on my D:\ (Data) drive.
The screenshot (poor quality...taken with camera in darkened room then imported and snipped, as snip tool would not work without start menu search 'going away') illustrates my point. The filename I searched for is shown on the front WE window. Also shown is the non-results returned by the start menu search and (3rd window back) the Computer search (Green Ribbon of Death), which I canceled after 10 minutes.
Although a search with D:\ selected in the Explorer window did return results in this case (not shown), often, it doesn't.
At any rate, I'm sure this post has become incoherant, as I've had a long day and am facing another tomorrow. I just wanted to post a clearer picture of what issues I have with search, and what others may be experiencing also. I can't type anymore...I'll check back sometime tomorrow.
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I do make use of multiple partitions. I have 12 on my production machine (spread across 4 drives), and I edit Indexing Options so that I am not indexing all resources, but only those I feel useful.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I have about 1/2 of my partitions indexed.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mborner �� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I do make use of multiple partitions. I have 12 on my production machine (spread across 4 drives), and I edit Indexing Options so that I am not indexing all resources, but only those I feel useful.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I have about 1/2 of my partitions indexed.
I think I may try turning indexing on for all partitions and see if it makes a difference. Of course, the system will need time for indexing, and given that I will be out for most of the day (and will turn the system off), I probably won't know if it makes a difference until the weekend.
A good day to all,
James
Hi JAmes
In your post above #10 you said
If you want to capture a snip of a menu, such as the Start menu, follow these steps:
In your post above #10 you said
Quote:
The screenshot (poor quality...taken with camera in darkened room then imported and snipped, as snip tool would not work without start menu search 'going away')
- Open Snipping Tool by clicking the Start button
, clicking All Programs, clicking Accessories, and then clicking Snipping Tool.
- After you open Snipping Tool, press ESC, and then open the menu that you want to capture.
- Press CTRL+PRINT SCREEN.
- Click the arrow next to the New button, select a snip type from the menu, and then use your mouse or tablet pen to capture the menu.
The indexing and multiple partitions could certainly affect the outcomes of some searches. I never have more than two partitions on a drive, and that's when I only have one drive, such as a laptop. I also don't disable indexing on any of the drives.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 If you want to capture a snip of a menu, such as the Start menu, follow these steps:
- Open Snipping Tool by clicking the Start button
- After you open Snipping Tool, press ESC, and then open the menu that you want to capture.
- Press CTRL+PRINT SCREEN.
- Click the arrow next to the New button, select a snip type from the menu, and then use your mouse or tablet pen to capture the menu.
James
Posting back with an update (it�s been a long week!):
I did add all partitions and drives to Indexing and allowed 24 hrs. for the index to rebuild. The results were that the start menu did find the file NOHSC_menu.pdf it couldn�t find before, and found it quickly. However, a search from Computer still failed to find the file at all.
Given that Everything and other 3rd party search engines are able to find files on my 12 partition system in fractions of seconds, it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that Win 7 search should be able to do the same thing. OK, Everything searches only filenames, but if content searches are too intense under some circumstances, it seems like a filename only (win 7) search could be implemented first, searching for content afterward, especially given the speed with which Everything finds a filename.
But I believe that the problem with Win search is more complicated than a simple search priority implementation. The searches I initiate from Computer inevitably find nothing and will continue �looking� for hours if allowed, or simply return a result of 0 items found. The searches from Start Menu are finding files it didn�t before, but it still misses some.
Summary:
1) Start Menu searches are hit and miss. It will find some of the most obscure files containing the search criteria, yet miss what should be obvious (and multiple) hits. Indexing all partitions does seem to make a bit of difference, but not enough to really rely on.
2) Computer searches are pointless. Results in the GROD almost every time.
3) A partition search in WE will sometimes (about 1/2 to 3/4) turn up correct results, but only if I use a filter i.e., name: (full or partial filename).
As has been surmised, multiple partitions does seem to be the wrench in the works here, although 3rd party (filename search) tools seem to have no problem returning lightning quick, accurate results. Perhaps the fact that Win7 search also looks at content is a factor as well. It would be interesting to know if others having problems also have multiple partitions. No answers here, merely an update to the question.
James
Edit: Library searching is also problematic, in fact, even searching in the Pictures library returns absolutely no results, even when using the exact filename with or without the 'name:' filter. Nothing. I'm determined to wring the most I can out of search and will be researching as time peremits. One thing is certain...Win7 search has big problems for some people. Whether this issue is confined only to those with multiple partitions or also impacts systems for other reasons remains to be seen.
Sorry for the longwinded posts!
James
I did add all partitions and drives to Indexing and allowed 24 hrs. for the index to rebuild. The results were that the start menu did find the file NOHSC_menu.pdf it couldn�t find before, and found it quickly. However, a search from Computer still failed to find the file at all.
Given that Everything and other 3rd party search engines are able to find files on my 12 partition system in fractions of seconds, it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that Win 7 search should be able to do the same thing. OK, Everything searches only filenames, but if content searches are too intense under some circumstances, it seems like a filename only (win 7) search could be implemented first, searching for content afterward, especially given the speed with which Everything finds a filename.
But I believe that the problem with Win search is more complicated than a simple search priority implementation. The searches I initiate from Computer inevitably find nothing and will continue �looking� for hours if allowed, or simply return a result of 0 items found. The searches from Start Menu are finding files it didn�t before, but it still misses some.
Summary:
1) Start Menu searches are hit and miss. It will find some of the most obscure files containing the search criteria, yet miss what should be obvious (and multiple) hits. Indexing all partitions does seem to make a bit of difference, but not enough to really rely on.
2) Computer searches are pointless. Results in the GROD almost every time.
3) A partition search in WE will sometimes (about 1/2 to 3/4) turn up correct results, but only if I use a filter i.e., name: (full or partial filename).
As has been surmised, multiple partitions does seem to be the wrench in the works here, although 3rd party (filename search) tools seem to have no problem returning lightning quick, accurate results. Perhaps the fact that Win7 search also looks at content is a factor as well. It would be interesting to know if others having problems also have multiple partitions. No answers here, merely an update to the question.
James
Edit: Library searching is also problematic, in fact, even searching in the Pictures library returns absolutely no results, even when using the exact filename with or without the 'name:' filter. Nothing. I'm determined to wring the most I can out of search and will be researching as time peremits. One thing is certain...Win7 search has big problems for some people. Whether this issue is confined only to those with multiple partitions or also impacts systems for other reasons remains to be seen.
Sorry for the longwinded posts!
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 I also find Everything Search Engine very useful.
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
Am presently using a PowerShell script I wrote but certainly that's not a solution for everybody.
I have recommended "Agent Ransack" before on this forum. It is also mentioned in the Free Programs list.
I cannot recommend it highly enough. Search Everything is powerful (perhaps overly so) and fast but is not, in my opinion, a fully functional search engine.
"Agent Ransack" is non indexed, fast, highly capable, small footprint (free) search engine.
It can do complex Boolean content searches as well as date range, time, size etc.
As a simple example I searched approx 1GB of PDF files for the obscure content 12x13" it found the one file containing it in 3 places in approx 2 min.
Usual searches sub second/seconds range.
I tried it as a substitute because of the problems I had with Windows indexed search. "Agent Ransack" is now my search engine of choice.
I cannot recommend it highly enough. Search Everything is powerful (perhaps overly so) and fast but is not, in my opinion, a fully functional search engine.
"Agent Ransack" is non indexed, fast, highly capable, small footprint (free) search engine.
It can do complex Boolean content searches as well as date range, time, size etc.
As a simple example I searched approx 1GB of PDF files for the obscure content 12x13" it found the one file containing it in 3 places in approx 2 min.
Usual searches sub second/seconds range.
I tried it as a substitute because of the problems I had with Windows indexed search. "Agent Ransack" is now my search engine of choice.
I need to search on non-indexed server drives, often for file content. It crashes 80% of the time, and the other 20% is incomplete (does not find the file). To get around this I have to go into XP-Mode and I use search companion -- works like a charm.
In searching my C-drive, or even specific folders, Win 7 Search does not find the simplest things. I have been using Win 7 now for 5 months -- this search is the worst ever! I'd rather have the old search I think I had in Norton Utlities in the late 80's or early 90's!
MS needs to come clean on this -- as the Editor said a few posts above, a lot of people are having real problems with this. For goodness sake, FIX IT!!!!!
In searching my C-drive, or even specific folders, Win 7 Search does not find the simplest things. I have been using Win 7 now for 5 months -- this search is the worst ever! I'd rather have the old search I think I had in Norton Utlities in the late 80's or early 90's!
MS needs to come clean on this -- as the Editor said a few posts above, a lot of people are having real problems with this. For goodness sake, FIX IT!!!!!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman I need to search on non-indexed server drives, often for file content. It crashes 80% of the time, and the other 20% is incomplete (does not find the file). To get around this I have to go into XP-Mode and I use search companion -- works like a charm.
In searching my C-drive, or even specific folders, Win 7 Search does not find the simplest things. I have been using Win 7 now for 5 months -- this search is the worst ever! I'd rather have the old search I think I had in Norton Utlities in the late 80's or early 90's!
MS needs to come clean on this -- as the Editor said a few posts above, a lot of people are having real problems with this. For goodness sake, FIX IT!!!!!
In searching my C-drive, or even specific folders, Win 7 Search does not find the simplest things. I have been using Win 7 now for 5 months -- this search is the worst ever! I'd rather have the old search I think I had in Norton Utlities in the late 80's or early 90's!
MS needs to come clean on this -- as the Editor said a few posts above, a lot of people are having real problems with this. For goodness sake, FIX IT!!!!!
agree!
check my post above
It should not have to be that complicated. Just give me back the search from XP.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman MS needs to come clean on this -- as the Editor said a few posts above, a lot of people are having real problems with this. For goodness sake, FIX IT!!!!!
I have 6 drives mapped to different server on my current work computer, and 4 mapped at home to my WHS box. I can use the built-in search on any of those locations, and aside from the expected delay, every search works fine and returns what I am looking for.
I'll say it one more time, for logic's sake......find out what the problem is, rather than just instantly assume the problem is with Microsoft. If everyone had this problem, it would be called a bug, and Microsoft would be on the hook to fix it. Common sense, people. Common sense.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I did add all partitions and drives to Indexing and allowed 24 hrs. for the index to rebuild. The results were that the start menu did find the file NOHSC_menu.pdf it couldn�t find before, and found it quickly. However, a search from Computer still failed to find the file at all.
When you do the search from "Computer" it doesn't use the index. Instead it goes down the file system tree doing a filename match only. So if you have a lot of drives/data then it will take a while.
Using it from the start menu or Win+F Search then it will use the index.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 �� Quote: Originally Posted by juandante Hello, I am looking for a 3rd party search tool wich is about similar to Windows XP search tool.
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
There is something called check everything download it here. Everything Search Engine
Good luck
Ken
Only difference is GlaryInitialize is showing up in Everything Search but not showing up in the Windows search
Name: GlaryInitialize
Path: C:Windows\System32\Tasks
Size: blank
Date Modified: blank
I then opened C:\Windows\System32 and searched for "Glary". Nothing showed up.
Everything is faster even with Windows being indexed and also appears to be more comprehensive in its searches as its name "Everything" would lead one to believe.
Evidently Everything searches for more than just files.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 I also find Everything Search Engine very useful.
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
These two complement each other and form the basis of my search toolkit.
"Everything" mainly for administration/computer manage activities.
"Agent Ransack/File Locator Lite" Day to day file/contents searches.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf �� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 I also find Everything Search Engine very useful.
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
These two complement each other and form the basis of my search toolkit.
"Everything" mainly for administration/computer manage activities.
"Agent Ransack/File Locator Lite" Day to day file/contents searches.
mjf, try to supply links for the others
[QUOTE
I'll say it one more time, for logic's sake......find out what the problem is, rather than just instantly assume the problem is with Microsoft. If everyone had this problem, it would be called a bug, and Microsoft would be on the hook to fix it. Common sense, people. Common sense.[/QUOTE]
Instantly? Use your own common sense. I'm not some bloody hoser with 1800 posts on this board, I came here as a last resort to find a solution. I've spent days (over the past 5 months) looking for a solution, and bottom line, it just does not work. Content based searches across my network crash or give wrong results! In XP Mode they do not. P-O-S!
I'll say it one more time, for logic's sake......find out what the problem is, rather than just instantly assume the problem is with Microsoft. If everyone had this problem, it would be called a bug, and Microsoft would be on the hook to fix it. Common sense, people. Common sense.[/QUOTE]
Instantly? Use your own common sense. I'm not some bloody hoser with 1800 posts on this board, I came here as a last resort to find a solution. I've spent days (over the past 5 months) looking for a solution, and bottom line, it just does not work. Content based searches across my network crash or give wrong results! In XP Mode they do not. P-O-S!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth �� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I did add all partitions and drives to Indexing and allowed 24 hrs. for the index to rebuild. The results were that the start menu did find the file NOHSC_menu.pdf it couldn�t find before, and found it quickly. However, a search from Computer still failed to find the file at all.
When you do the search from "Computer" it doesn't use the index. Instead it goes down the file system tree doing a filename match only. So if you have a lot of drives/data then it will take a while.
Using it from the start menu or Win+F Search then it will use the index.
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by juandante Hello, I am looking for a 3rd party search tool wich is about similar to Windows XP search tool.
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
It should be able to open with the Ctrl+F key in the Explorer.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the mistakes (I'm not English)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pacinitaly �� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf �� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 I also find Everything Search Engine very useful.
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
It's very fast and efficient - without requiring masses of indexing - it's only for filenames. tho.
Others like Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - to search for file contents
These two complement each other and form the basis of my search toolkit.
"Everything" mainly for administration/computer manage activities.
"Agent Ransack/File Locator Lite" Day to day file/contents searches.
mjf, try to supply links for the others
As to the OP's specific question Agent Ransack now marketed as FileLocator Lite meets his requirements (and then some I would say). Other third party suggestions are included in the thread.
The question has been answered and it's now up to the OP to try them and see what best suits his/her needs.
To get the (much superior) ctrl F or F3 simply select the configuration setting shown below
Needless to say (but I'm still gonna say it 
), a GUI search would be best in Win 7 ala Win XP. One of the most frequently asked questions on this board deals with the search function in Win 7.
Sure, one could learn the syntax; I'm a geek, I've learned it and I use it. One can also tweak the indexing options; I'm a geek, I've tweaked it for my needs.
The point is, this board has many people looking for help with Win 7. They are not all geeks like me and many of the other regular posters here.
The XP search was easy. It offered drop downs for file types, extensions, contents, size, date modified, location (one did not have to select the folder through explorer, one could select it from a drop down) et al, without remembering some arcane syntax methods. Welcome to the world of DOS. A Win 7 search GUI could expound, hierarchically, on the old XP search GUI with extra drop downs for the myriad of newly indexed values. It's too bad MS doesn't do this.
I'm mystified. This is not a small issue for the average user. All they want to do is find their files and get their work done. MS made that more difficult and less intuitive in Win 7.
It is too easy to dismiss others by simply saying "learn the new method" when others have been using the XP search method for almost 10 years now. I cannot imagine a GUI would be that difficult to put together. Again, it's too bad MS hasn't done it in Win 7.
I miss the cat ...
), a GUI search would be best in Win 7 ala Win XP. One of the most frequently asked questions on this board deals with the search function in Win 7.Sure, one could learn the syntax; I'm a geek, I've learned it and I use it. One can also tweak the indexing options; I'm a geek, I've tweaked it for my needs.
The point is, this board has many people looking for help with Win 7. They are not all geeks like me and many of the other regular posters here.
The XP search was easy. It offered drop downs for file types, extensions, contents, size, date modified, location (one did not have to select the folder through explorer, one could select it from a drop down) et al, without remembering some arcane syntax methods. Welcome to the world of DOS. A Win 7 search GUI could expound, hierarchically, on the old XP search GUI with extra drop downs for the myriad of newly indexed values. It's too bad MS doesn't do this.
I'm mystified. This is not a small issue for the average user. All they want to do is find their files and get their work done. MS made that more difficult and less intuitive in Win 7.
It is too easy to dismiss others by simply saying "learn the new method" when others have been using the XP search method for almost 10 years now. I cannot imagine a GUI would be that difficult to put together. Again, it's too bad MS hasn't done it in Win 7.
I miss the cat ...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X No doubt that Windows7 search is designed for computers with many many files on them, my guess is upwards of 1 million.
I checked my computer.
It has a paltry 113,500 files on them, 71,500 or 63% are in the c:windows\ directory chain.
The point is for users like myself who have under 50,000 or even double that amount of files on their computer Windows 7 Search Configuration and Use is more trouble than it is worth. Especially when there are third party search programs out there for free that do what I want, don't really need to be configured and on computers with the limited number of files that I have are lightning fast.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman MS needs to come clean on this -- as the Editor said a few posts above, a lot of people are having real problems with this. For goodness sake, FIX IT!!!!!
I have 6 drives mapped to different server on my current work computer, and 4 mapped at home to my WHS box. I can use the built-in search on any of those locations, and aside from the expected delay, every search works fine and returns what I am looking for.
I'll say it one more time, for logic's sake......find out what the problem is, rather than just instantly assume the problem is with Microsoft. If everyone had this problem, it would be called a bug, and Microsoft would be on the hook to fix it. Common sense, people. Common sense.
Many times it is a case of the proper match.
For example I use my computer for streaming videos off the Net, surfing the Net, playing some DVDs and Avi files, and doing a limited amount of Word Processing and Spreadsheet stuff.
I don't need a powerhouse computer and I don't need a powerhouse search engine that is overkill for my needs.
I am sure if I had 1 million files or whatever on my computer I would take the time learn the Windows Search capabilities and configure it to achieve my desired goals.
But my search needs are simple so I only need a simple search program that works quickly and effectively and does not take any time to learn and to configure.
You don't see any of the Indy car drivers on the regular streets driving their ethanol race cars, it would be great overkill for sitting in gridlock.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman Instantly? Use your own common sense. I'm not some bloody hoser with 1800 posts on this board, I came here as a last resort to find a solution. I've spent days (over the past 5 months) looking for a solution, and bottom line, it just does not work. Content based searches across my network crash or give wrong results! In XP Mode they do not. P-O-S!
Common sense isn't always common, as demonstrated here. The longer you sit and blame Microsoft, the longer it will be until you decide to find the real culprit. I do sincerely hope you aren't ever a legal prosecutor or a detective.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Buddahfan But my search needs are simple so I only need a simple search program that works quickly and effectively and does not take any time to learn and to configure.
If my users can learn how to use it effectively, than there's no excuse for anyone else not to. These are people who often call me at home at night asking how to undock their laptops from their docking stations, what cables they need for wireless internet, and what it means when they put their computers to sleep. Yes, those are true stories.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman Instantly? Use your own common sense. I'm not some bloody hoser with 1800 posts on this board, I came here as a last resort to find a solution. I've spent days (over the past 5 months) looking for a solution, and bottom line, it just does not work. Content based searches across my network crash or give wrong results! In XP Mode they do not. P-O-S!
Common sense isn't always common, as demonstrated here. The longer you sit and blame Microsoft, the longer it will be until you decide to find the real culprit. I do sincerely hope you aren't ever a legal prosecutor or a detective.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Buddahfan But my search needs are simple so I only need a simple search program that works quickly and effectively and does not take any time to learn and to configure.
If my users can learn how to use it effectively, than there's no excuse for anyone else not to. These are people who often call me at home at night asking how to undock their laptops from their docking stations, what cables they need for wireless internet, and what it means when they put their computers to sleep. Yes, those are true stories.
[QUOTE=DeaconFrost;1143454] �� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman �� Quote: Originally Posted by Buddahfan You've got it right in front of you. What does the power of the computer have to do with it? There isn't even a learning curve, because the syntax is either readily available, or part of common knowledge, as demonstrated in the previous thread in which a user bashed Microsoft (sound familair?) for not returning all of their .sol files....several pages worth of rants, until it was discovered the OP didn't know the simple and decades old syntax of *.sol to find them. Simply put...the search feature does exactly what it is instructed to do, and it is available on screen nearly everywhere.
If my users can learn how to use it effectively, than there's no excuse for anyone else not to. These are people who often call me at home at night asking how to undock their laptops from their docking stations, what cables they need for wireless internet, and what it means when they put their computers to sleep. Yes, those are true stories. I don't recall ever talking about the "power of the computer".
I am talking about Windows 7 Search and its power.
It is overkill for a computer that has only 115,000 files on it.
I shouldn't have to read a 5,700 word document "Configuring and Using" Windows 7 Search in order to be able to search on a computer that has only 115,000 files on it. As it turns out at least two other people agree with me, the designer of the software that I am using to search and at least one other poster here. I am sure that there are thousands more.
Windows 7 Search is great for finding Windows Operating Systems programs like "Device Manager" etc. because it doesn't require reading a 5,700 page document to do and works great.
However, when it comes to finding "Stuff" on my computer with only 40,000 files that are not in the C:\Windows directory chain and are not part of the Windows 7 Operating System then Windows 7 Search is overkill, straight up.
The search program that I am using to find programs on my computer that are not part of the Windows 7 operating system did not require reading a 5,700 word instruction document. All I did was install the program and begin to search. Bingo, finds everything I need quickly and with no fuss or learning curve.
Windows 7 Search is too complicated to learn and setup for my needs and not needed when I have less than 50,000 Non Windows System 7 files on my computer,
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jh2oman �� Quote: Originally Posted by Buddahfan But my search needs are simple so I only need a simple search program that works quickly and effectively and does not take any time to learn and to configure.
If my users can learn how to use it effectively, than there's no excuse for anyone else not to. These are people who often call me at home at night asking how to undock their laptops from their docking stations, what cables they need for wireless internet, and what it means when they put their computers to sleep. Yes, those are true stories.
I am talking about Windows 7 Search and its power.
It is overkill for a computer that has only 115,000 files on it.
I shouldn't have to read a 5,700 word document "Configuring and Using" Windows 7 Search in order to be able to search on a computer that has only 115,000 files on it. As it turns out at least two other people agree with me, the designer of the software that I am using to search and at least one other poster here. I am sure that there are thousands more.
Windows 7 Search is great for finding Windows Operating Systems programs like "Device Manager" etc. because it doesn't require reading a 5,700 page document to do and works great.
However, when it comes to finding "Stuff" on my computer with only 40,000 files that are not in the C:\Windows directory chain and are not part of the Windows 7 Operating System then Windows 7 Search is overkill, straight up.
The search program that I am using to find programs on my computer that are not part of the Windows 7 operating system did not require reading a 5,700 word instruction document. All I did was install the program and begin to search. Bingo, finds everything I need quickly and with no fuss or learning curve.
Windows 7 Search is too complicated to learn and setup for my needs and not needed when I have less than 50,000 Non Windows System 7 files on my computer,
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Buddahfan Windows 7 Search is too complicated to learn and setup
I said it before, and I'll say it again. if my user base of 30 can use the Search without problems, there's no possible way to say it is too complicated. These are people who, several times, have asked what cables they need at home for wireless internet.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by Buddahfan Windows 7 Search is too complicated to learn and setup
I said it before, and I'll say it again. if my user base of 30 can use the Search without problems, there's no possible way to say it is too complicated. These are people who, several times, have asked what cables they need at home for wireless internet.
Some clearly think Windows search is a marvelous search engine with a powerful and acceptable user interface. GREAT.
For these people their search is over.
For some, it does not work effectively, have lost trust in the program and feel the user interface is lacking. FACT.
For these people there are alternatives. Get on with it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf For some, it does not work effectively, have lost trust in the program and feel the user interface is lacking. FACT.
I'll continue to play your game: The Search works just fine, and returns the info you need. Ever hear the saying garbage in garbage out? That explains why some people "think" it doesn't work. As for the interface? Seriously? There's a box at the top right of every Explorer window. You type in your search term, and it returns the results. How or why would anyone need to complain about the interface?
This "debate" is like buying a new car and then bitching that the cupholder isn't perfectly round. It works fine and holds every cup you put it in...but you'll complain about it anyway. In your own words....get over it.
I rest my case.
Indeed, mjf, once again:
Needless to say (but I'm still gonna say it), a GUI search would be best in Win 7 ala Win XP. One of the most frequently asked questions on this board deals with the search function in Win 7.
Sure, one could learn the syntax; I'm a geek, I've learned it and I use it. One can also tweak the indexing options; I'm a geek, I've tweaked it for my needs.
The point is, this board has many people looking for help with Win 7. They are not all geeks like me and many of the other regular posters here.
The XP search was easy. It offered drop downs for file types, extensions, contents, size, date modified, location (one did not have to select the folder through explorer, one could select it from a drop down) et al, without remembering some arcane syntax methods. Welcome to the world of DOS. A Win 7 search GUI could expound, hierarchically, on the old XP search GUI with extra drop downs for the myriad of newly indexed values. It's too bad MS doesn't do this.
I'm mystified. This is not a small issue for the average user. All they want to do is find their files and get their work done. MS made that more difficult and less intuitive in Win 7.
It is too easy to dismiss others by simply saying "learn the new method" when others have been using the XP search method for almost 10 years now. I cannot imagine a GUI would be that difficult to put together. Again, it's too bad MS hasn't done it in Win 7.
I miss the cat ...
Needless to say (but I'm still gonna say it
), a GUI search would be best in Win 7 ala Win XP. One of the most frequently asked questions on this board deals with the search function in Win 7.Sure, one could learn the syntax; I'm a geek, I've learned it and I use it. One can also tweak the indexing options; I'm a geek, I've tweaked it for my needs.
The point is, this board has many people looking for help with Win 7. They are not all geeks like me and many of the other regular posters here.
The XP search was easy. It offered drop downs for file types, extensions, contents, size, date modified, location (one did not have to select the folder through explorer, one could select it from a drop down) et al, without remembering some arcane syntax methods. Welcome to the world of DOS. A Win 7 search GUI could expound, hierarchically, on the old XP search GUI with extra drop downs for the myriad of newly indexed values. It's too bad MS doesn't do this.
I'm mystified. This is not a small issue for the average user. All they want to do is find their files and get their work done. MS made that more difficult and less intuitive in Win 7.
It is too easy to dismiss others by simply saying "learn the new method" when others have been using the XP search method for almost 10 years now. I cannot imagine a GUI would be that difficult to put together. Again, it's too bad MS hasn't done it in Win 7.
I miss the cat ...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl Indeed, mjf, once again:
Needless to say (but I'm still gonna say it), a GUI search would be best in Win 7 ala Win XP. One of the most frequently asked questions on this board deals with the search function in Win 7.
Sure, one could learn the syntax; I'm a geek, I've learned it and I use it. One can also tweak the indexing options; I'm a geek, I've tweaked it for my needs.
The point is, this board has many people looking for help with Win 7. They are not all geeks like me and many of the other regular posters here.
Needless to say (but I'm still gonna say it
), a GUI search would be best in Win 7 ala Win XP. One of the most frequently asked questions on this board deals with the search function in Win 7. Sure, one could learn the syntax; I'm a geek, I've learned it and I use it. One can also tweak the indexing options; I'm a geek, I've tweaked it for my needs.
The point is, this board has many people looking for help with Win 7. They are not all geeks like me and many of the other regular posters here.
This holds true with just about every facet of learning you can think of. If you're not prepared to invest the time to learn something new, then you're wasting no-ones time but your own.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl The XP search was easy. It offered drop downs for file types, extensions, contents, size, date modified, location (one did not have to select the folder through explorer, one could select it from a drop down) et al, without remembering some arcane syntax methods. Welcome to the world of DOS. A Win 7 search GUI could expound, hierarchically, on the old XP search GUI with extra drop downs for the myriad of newly indexed values. It's too bad MS doesn't do this.
I'm mystified. This is not a small issue for the average user. All they want to do is find their files and get their work done. MS made that more difficult and less intuitive in Win 7.
I'm mystified. This is not a small issue for the average user. All they want to do is find their files and get their work done. MS made that more difficult and less intuitive in Win 7.
You are born, you get older, your parents buy a bicycle for you to use to get to school every morning. Over the years as you get older, you get new ones that fits your growing needs. But the basics remain the same. Two wheels and pedal power. But one day, you're old enough for an entirely different beast: A motorcycle or even a car. But you instead decide to stick with pedal power, because it's what you know, and you're afraid that a new car has too many options.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl It is too easy to dismiss others by simply saying "learn the new method" when others have been using the XP search method for almost 10 years now.
The old "I don't understand this" excuse doesn't cut it. If you're not willing to learn how, then you're wasting oxygen. I see no reason to encourage people to continue using old antiquated methods. Doing so would be a disservice to them, as it would deny them the opportunity to grow and to learn new things.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl I cannot imagine a GUI would be that difficult to put together. Again, it's too bad MS hasn't done it in Win 7.
I miss the cat ...
I miss the cat ...
As for the cat? Well, what can I say except good riddance?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija �� Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl I cannot imagine a GUI would be that difficult to put together. Again, it's too bad MS hasn't done it in Win 7.
I miss the cat ...
I miss the cat ...
As for the cat? Well, what can I say except good riddance?
You made a very bad assumption, however. I am a developer, among other things. I design programs that run inside AutoCAD and create Access databases that tie into information contained in AutoCAD drawings. I design my GUI's around the needs and wants of my clients. I've designed a number of GUI's for varying applications and usages of information in those two programs.
If you didn't like the cat, Dzomlija, it was easy enough to just turn it off (or use the dog
).I still miss the cat ...
I miss the puppy dog.
Win 7 search would work much better with the puppy dog scampering around while searching.
Good puppy!
Nirvana! Everything is right in the World now.
Win 7 search would work much better with the puppy dog scampering around while searching.
Good puppy!
Nirvana! Everything is right in the World now.
Back atcha, Mike!
Ahhh! Cute kitty!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert �� Quote: Originally Posted by mborner �� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I do make use of multiple partitions. I have 12 on my production machine (spread across 4 drives), and I edit Indexing Options so that I am not indexing all resources, but only those I feel useful.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert I have about 1/2 of my partitions indexed.
I think I may try turning indexing on for all partitions and see if it makes a difference. Of course, the system will need time for indexing, and given that I will be out for most of the day (and will turn the system off), I probably won't know if it makes a difference until the weekend.
A good day to all,
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr Microsoft suggests against just that. Indexing entire drives or partitions will hamper the search capabilities. Index only those specific locations that you wish to search (top folder level).
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija [The old "I don't understand this" excuse doesn't cut it. If you're not willing to learn how, then you're wasting oxygen.
The above I've named are just a few of the everyday necessities in our lives, all of which come 2nd nature to some. But, If I apply your philosophy (and shared by other posters) to you, you're a waste of space. Know how to do all of those? How about recombinant DNA?
The point being (that seems to be overlooked no matter how many times it's made) is that not all have the ability to understand what you (or others) might consider simple. Nor do you (or anyone) understand everything about everything. Nor can you. Nor can anyone.
There are some users in this forum that believe that anybody who doesn't understand what they consider to be simple (or, even, they may understand, but it's not working correctly for them) must be idiots, and certainly in this forum, many times they are treated as such. And quite rudely and arrogantly so.
The irony here is that a philosophy held must apply to those that wield it. Even the inability to understand that not everyone has the gift of understanding 'search' or file management, or missing GBs, you name it, must fall under that very same philosophy if it is true at all. It cannot be selectively applied, else it is rendered invalid.
So, if there is any area that is beyond your understanding, just know that to someone, somewhere, it's as simple as can be. And you must immediately quit wasting our oxygen, as per your philosophy.
You just got both barrels, and the truth is that, although I am addressing this particular post, there are several posters who hold this philosophy to a much greater degree, and in fact, treat people quite arrogantly and rudely. I have no hard feelings against you or any other poster, but have had enough of the rudeness directed at posters who don't possess the skills others think they should. And it happens entirely too often in this group, sometimes angering or humiliating posters enough that they go elsewhere for help, thus, defeating what I think is the primary purpose of this forum.
James
Props, James. ^^^^^
Well said.
Well said.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert The point being (that seems to be overlooked no matter how many times it's made) is that not all have the ability to understand what you (or others) might consider simple.
James
You are certainly correct in your pointed post.
But the point is not being overlooked at all.
It is being willfully ignored because to acknowledge it undermines the argument of the opposition. The act of willfully ignoring the point only makes it all the more conspicuous. Of course, the conspicuousness itself then must be similarly ignored. Ad infinitum, lather, rinse, and repeat.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic �� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert The point being (that seems to be overlooked no matter how many times it's made) is that not all have the ability to understand what you (or others) might consider simple.
James
You are certainly correct in your pointed post.
But the point is not being overlooked at all.
It is being willfully ignored because to acknowledge it undermines the argument of the opposition. The act of willfully ignoring the point only makes it all the more conspicuous. Of course, the conspicuousness itself then must be similarly ignored. Ad infinitum, lather, rinse, and repeat.
Alternatively we could scrap this windows nonsense and go back to a Unix command line operating system.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert �� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija [The old "I don't understand this" excuse doesn't cut it. If you're not willing to learn how, then you're wasting oxygen.
The above I've named are just a few of the everyday necessities in our lives, all of which come 2nd nature to some. But, If I apply your philosophy (and shared by other posters) to you, you're a waste of space. Know how to do all of those? How about recombinant DNA?
The point being (that seems to be overlooked no matter how many times it's made) is that not all have the ability to understand what you (or others) might consider simple. Nor do you (or anyone) understand everything about everything. Nor can you. Nor can anyone.
There are some users in this forum that believe that anybody who doesn't understand what they consider to be simple (or, even, they may understand, but it's not working correctly for them) must be idiots, and certainly in this forum, many times they are treated as such. And quite rudely and arrogantly so.
The irony here is that a philosophy held must apply to those that wield it. Even the inability to understand that not everyone has the gift of understanding 'search' or file management, or missing GBs, you name it, must fall under that very same philosophy if it is true at all. It cannot be selectively applied, else it is rendered invalid.
So, if there is any area that is beyond your understanding, just know that to someone, somewhere, it's as simple as can be. And you must immediately quit wasting our oxygen, as per your philosophy.
You just got both barrels, and the truth is that, although I am addressing this particular post, there are several posters who hold this philosophy to a much greater degree, and in fact, treat people quite arrogantly and rudely. I have no hard feelings against you or any other poster, but have had enough of the rudeness directed at posters who don't possess the skills others think they should. And it happens entirely too often in this group, sometimes angering or humiliating posters enough that they go elsewhere for help, thus, defeating what I think is the primary purpose of this forum.
James
In hindsight, perhaps I could have used a little more tact, and not come off as rude. Which was not my intention.
I understand that everyone has different skillsets to suit their unique personalities and learning abilities, but by philosophy I always try to help others. Perhaps this is why I get annoyed when someone encounters something new, and dismisses it entirely without at least giving it some effort to learn.
My brother happens to be an electrician by trade, and a pretty competent carpenter too. Oh, I can do the things he does, but not with his proficiency. I don't know how to fix cars myself, but I do know enough about them to at least be able to understand what is being said.
My point is that if you don't try something new at least once, then how can we possibly grow and learn? My anger is directed towards those who just don't make an effort to try. Which is better? Attempting to learn something new, and failing, or just not trying at all?
Personally, I'd rather make a fool of myself 1000 times over failing at something new before I give up without trying at all.
James is right. mborner was too when he said "with that knowledge..."
Trouble is, it is not obvious how to use it at first. A typical search for me is to find the office files that had particular content. For instance, where did I leave that XLS file that had the MSFT stock quotes and links in it?
By default, searching for will yield 100+ entries from my Outlook messgaes, but nothing else.
What you have to do is type in the command line start box is:
*.xls* CONTENT:MSFT
and press ENTER
That will execute a search resulting in the dozen or so files (on my machine) that have MSFT in an XLS file.
I don't know all the ins and outs of search, but with search, knowledge is power. Everyone log their tips on how to use it here and we can summarize a tutorial.
I hope that helps.
Trouble is, it is not obvious how to use it at first. A typical search for me is to find the office files that had particular content. For instance, where did I leave that XLS file that had the MSFT stock quotes and links in it?
By default, searching for will yield 100+ entries from my Outlook messgaes, but nothing else.
What you have to do is type in the command line start box is:
*.xls* CONTENT:MSFT
and press ENTER
That will execute a search resulting in the dozen or so files (on my machine) that have MSFT in an XLS file.
I don't know all the ins and outs of search, but with search, knowledge is power. Everyone log their tips on how to use it here and we can summarize a tutorial.
I hope that helps.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by soho1 James is right. mborner was too when he said "with that knowledge..."
Trouble is, it is not obvious how to use it at first. A typical search for me is to find the office files that had particular content. For instance, where did I leave that XLS file that had the MSFT stock quotes and links in it?
By default, searching for will yield 100+ entries from my Outlook messgaes, but nothing else.
What you have to do is type in the command line start box is:
*.xls* CONTENT:MSFT
and press ENTER
That will execute a search resulting in the dozen or so files (on my machine) that have MSFT in an XLS file.
I don't know all the ins and outs of search, but with search, knowledge is power. Everyone log their tips on how to use it here and we can summarize a tutorial.
I hope that helps.
Trouble is, it is not obvious how to use it at first. A typical search for me is to find the office files that had particular content. For instance, where did I leave that XLS file that had the MSFT stock quotes and links in it?
By default, searching for will yield 100+ entries from my Outlook messgaes, but nothing else.
What you have to do is type in the command line start box is:
*.xls* CONTENT:MSFT
and press ENTER
That will execute a search resulting in the dozen or so files (on my machine) that have MSFT in an XLS file.
I don't know all the ins and outs of search, but with search, knowledge is power. Everyone log their tips on how to use it here and we can summarize a tutorial.
I hope that helps.
May this will help you?
Windows Search - Configure and Use
I'm changing my username to Shill1.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by soho1 I'm changing my username to Shill1.
Nice to have you here. Hello,
Well finally, I removed Windows 7 on my EEEPC and installed Windows XP with Classic Theme/Settings.
Same thing on my desktop PC (but I kept Windows 7 in dual boot just to try out new softwares).
I don't need Windows 7, I think that Windows 7 search feature is nuts, 100% nuts. I was trying to place my files only on the desktop on my EEE to run away from this new search system.
I have one HDD on my EEEPC, 3 on my desktop computer.
My EEEPC is using a SSD so, the indexing service is completely useless (and disable by default).
When I would want to search a text file talking about planes in D:\DOCS on my desktop.
I nammed this text file : About.txt
On XP I would anywhere press CTRL+F.
I would select 'My Computer' then type *.txt and enter.
15 text documents shows up in 1 minute... But I don't want to open all 15 files.
So I would return in the search assistant then type in content 'Planes'...
I could also select : last date modified, file type (if I search for a folder), size (very useful for me if I don't want files > 1 mb), etc.
XP would clearly display the properties of the file example : its path on the hard drive,
And also very important I would see very clearly the state of the search like to see in what folder XP is actually searching in (and not a silly green bar on top off the window that doesn't even tell you when the search bugged, witch is very usual) and I can see clearly where the file is located on my hard drive.
I searched for the word 'ok' in My Computer and figure what ? ALL files with the word 'ok' in there name where displayed, really ALL, in EVERY folder !
And what about Windows 7 ?
In Windows 7, I search for *.txt.
First thing, the search is trying to start searching each time I press a letter on my keyboard so the typing is slow. If I press enter accidentally Windows restarts back the search...
Windows 7 will find, very slowly, a file on the desktop, another in Documents and thats all. I don't even know if Windows finished because the green bar sucks for that.
I have to open explorer and browse to Computer to type *.txt. A lot of whatever files will be displayed, in fact I don't even know whether 7 considered the '*' in the box.
Sometimes, as the file is hidden, I have to wait for the search to... Fail then go into advanced. Sometime, apparently 7 ignores when I select the advanced option.
Gives me some files but, God, no, its not intuitive to find out the path of the given file.
I would give up...
I would open cmd, then type 'cd D:\', then type 'dir /s /ah *.txt' and everything shows up. No content searching with cmd but found About.txt in D:\DOCS
Maybe, I think, it's because I don't use the default folders to copy my files in this damn library (Bibliotheques in French, I don't know the name in English)...
I think Microsoft's aim with this search tool is to give results only in those default folders. I watched how some of my friends used there laptop and the search tool worked pretty well (for them) because all there files are in those folders.
Useless for me, because when I want to reinstall Windows 7 its very complex (risky I prefer say) when using those default folders...
So I prefer go back to XP or use a 3rd party software, or use cmd.
Don't know, for the moment I'll use XP until that OS is outdated for Office, or games, or Internet browsers, so in year 2014 when Windows 9 will be out, witch I hope will be better.
To play Crysis 2 in DX11, I will dual boot
There is a poster defending Windows 7 as if Microsoft is paying him... I can advise you to try back the search in XP. I know you will find that idea silly but just try it then tell me if Windows 7 is good for searching files.
Well finally, I removed Windows 7 on my EEEPC and installed Windows XP with Classic Theme/Settings.
Same thing on my desktop PC (but I kept Windows 7 in dual boot just to try out new softwares).
I don't need Windows 7, I think that Windows 7 search feature is nuts, 100% nuts. I was trying to place my files only on the desktop on my EEE to run away from this new search system.
I have one HDD on my EEEPC, 3 on my desktop computer.
My EEEPC is using a SSD so, the indexing service is completely useless (and disable by default).
When I would want to search a text file talking about planes in D:\DOCS on my desktop.
I nammed this text file : About.txt
On XP I would anywhere press CTRL+F.
I would select 'My Computer' then type *.txt and enter.
15 text documents shows up in 1 minute... But I don't want to open all 15 files.
So I would return in the search assistant then type in content 'Planes'...
I could also select : last date modified, file type (if I search for a folder), size (very useful for me if I don't want files > 1 mb), etc.
XP would clearly display the properties of the file example : its path on the hard drive,
And also very important I would see very clearly the state of the search like to see in what folder XP is actually searching in (and not a silly green bar on top off the window that doesn't even tell you when the search bugged, witch is very usual) and I can see clearly where the file is located on my hard drive.
I searched for the word 'ok' in My Computer and figure what ? ALL files with the word 'ok' in there name where displayed, really ALL, in EVERY folder !
And what about Windows 7 ?
In Windows 7, I search for *.txt.
First thing, the search is trying to start searching each time I press a letter on my keyboard so the typing is slow. If I press enter accidentally Windows restarts back the search...
Windows 7 will find, very slowly, a file on the desktop, another in Documents and thats all. I don't even know if Windows finished because the green bar sucks for that.
I have to open explorer and browse to Computer to type *.txt. A lot of whatever files will be displayed, in fact I don't even know whether 7 considered the '*' in the box.
Sometimes, as the file is hidden, I have to wait for the search to... Fail then go into advanced. Sometime, apparently 7 ignores when I select the advanced option.
Gives me some files but, God, no, its not intuitive to find out the path of the given file.
I would give up...
I would open cmd, then type 'cd D:\', then type 'dir /s /ah *.txt' and everything shows up. No content searching with cmd but found About.txt in D:\DOCS
Maybe, I think, it's because I don't use the default folders to copy my files in this damn library (Bibliotheques in French, I don't know the name in English)...
I think Microsoft's aim with this search tool is to give results only in those default folders. I watched how some of my friends used there laptop and the search tool worked pretty well (for them) because all there files are in those folders.
Useless for me, because when I want to reinstall Windows 7 its very complex (risky I prefer say) when using those default folders...
So I prefer go back to XP or use a 3rd party software, or use cmd.
Don't know, for the moment I'll use XP until that OS is outdated for Office, or games, or Internet browsers, so in year 2014 when Windows 9 will be out, witch I hope will be better.
To play Crysis 2 in DX11, I will dual boot
There is a poster defending Windows 7 as if Microsoft is paying him... I can advise you to try back the search in XP. I know you will find that idea silly but just try it then tell me if Windows 7 is good for searching files.
juandante,
If you read my posts I am not at all positive when it comes to Windows 7 search (I never use it!). The fact that some will never agree with your point of view doesn't matter.
Windows 7 has some features far superior to XP. If I don't like a feature in W7 I dump it and use a 3rd party app. For search I dumped W7 search and use File Locator Lite/Agent Ransack (free & a low cost pro version) which is, in my opinion, better than XP ever was. For more Admin type searching I also have Search "Everything".
Some people hate W7 inbuilt imaging and use 3rd party alternatives but still benefit overall from Windows 7. I actually use the inbuilt imaging and a 3rd party app.
Summary: You can customize Windows 7 to suit your own preferences.
PS: I am not pushing any Microsoft bandwagon here - they don't pay me.
If you read my posts I am not at all positive when it comes to Windows 7 search (I never use it!). The fact that some will never agree with your point of view doesn't matter.
Windows 7 has some features far superior to XP. If I don't like a feature in W7 I dump it and use a 3rd party app. For search I dumped W7 search and use File Locator Lite/Agent Ransack (free & a low cost pro version) which is, in my opinion, better than XP ever was. For more Admin type searching I also have Search "Everything".
Some people hate W7 inbuilt imaging and use 3rd party alternatives but still benefit overall from Windows 7. I actually use the inbuilt imaging and a 3rd party app.
Summary: You can customize Windows 7 to suit your own preferences.
PS: I am not pushing any Microsoft bandwagon here - they don't pay me.
if anyone else is going nutz....
upgrade to win7 pro/ultimate and install the XP mode via virtual PC.
then you can use the old XP search.
keep in mind... XP mode has to always be open and the search is a bit slow.
welcome back to the year 2G
upgrade to win7 pro/ultimate and install the XP mode via virtual PC.
then you can use the old XP search.
keep in mind... XP mode has to always be open and the search is a bit slow.
welcome back to the year 2G
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija Point well taken, James.
In hindsight, perhaps I could have used a little more tact, and not come off as rude. Which was not my intention.
First, my apologies for the delayed response. At times, my business removes me from �normal life� at inopportune times, of which this certainly was.
Also, thank you for your thoughtful response and clarification. As a friend here once said, �we here are all passionate about computers�. This can sometimes cause high feelings. I think what I appreciate and respect most about your response is that you paused to examine, A demonstration of integrity which is not generally common.
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I understand that everyone has different skillsets to suit their unique personalities and learning abilities, but by philosophy I always try to help others. Perhaps this is why I get annoyed when someone encounters something new, and dismisses it entirely without at least giving it some effort to learn.
My point is that if you don't try something new at least once, then how can we possibly grow and learn? My anger is directed towards those who just don't make an effort to try. Which is better? Attempting to learn something new, and failing, or just not trying at all?
Personally, I'd rather make a fool of myself 1000 times over failing at something new before I give up without trying at all.
My point is that if you don't try something new at least once, then how can we possibly grow and learn? My anger is directed towards those who just don't make an effort to try. Which is better? Attempting to learn something new, and failing, or just not trying at all?
Personally, I'd rather make a fool of myself 1000 times over failing at something new before I give up without trying at all.
Agreed (and commendable), but it is easy to assume that people fall into just two groups, when there are actually more. It�s not just the group that �gets it� and the group that �doesn�t make the effort�. If labels were to be applied to the �groups�, I think a few which could be included would be �Lazy�, �intimidated�, �oblivious�, �not technically inclined�, and discerning who belongs to which is not always possible.
I think it is this last group that can be so misunderstood. Some find Search so simple that they can�t believe that there are those who just don�t get it. And, while simply educating one�s self to the �mechanics� can morph search into one of Win 7�s most useful tools, this is not the viable for all.
In addition, as mjf rightly points out, there are those who simply don�t want to deal with a �command line� style search. And there is a real validity in that. Perhaps MS, in its next iteration, will additionally provide a �multiple choice interface� GUI to accommodate all groups.
As things stand, I think the ideal response to those who fall into any of the above (or other) groups is simply to post links to tutorials (yours would be an excellent choice) and 3rd party search engines to allow them to choose what works for them. Responding in this way also means that we won�t leave posters feeling disrespected, and they will have been provided the means to find a tool that works for them, which may well be Win 7 Search (or not). An added bonus is that in addition to helping them to �grow and learn�, we will as well. Both worthy goals, personally and of this forum.
Sorry for the longwinded post!
James
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pacinitaly if anyone else is going nutz....
upgrade to win7 pro/ultimate and install the XP mode via virtual PC.
then you can use the old XP search.
keep in mind... XP mode has to always be open and the search is a bit slow.
welcome back to the year 2G
upgrade to win7 pro/ultimate and install the XP mode via virtual PC.
then you can use the old XP search.
keep in mind... XP mode has to always be open and the search is a bit slow.
welcome back to the year 2G
I have an XP laptop and third part tools like FileLocator/lite run rings around it and it's free. I really just don't get it.
Not directed at you pacinitaly:
Comments like "lazy", "not technically inclined" etc do not help the situation.
I am highly technically trained and analytical but I believe in the right tool for the job. Stop putting people down because Windows search is the wrong tool for the job. That is, when it works.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf Not directed at you pacinitaly:
Comments like "lazy", "not technically inclined" etc do not help the situation.
I am highly technically trained and analytical but I believe in the right tool for the job.
"In addition, as mjf rightly points out, there are those who simply don�t want to deal with a �command line� style search. And there is a real validity in that.".
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Stop putting people down because Windows search is the wrong tool for the job. That is, when it works
James
I was being facetious
My problem with the Windows 7 Search is if I'm searching a large external hard drive, and then I need to sort by category, it just goes ahead and restarts the entire search by category. So if it took 5 minutes to find everything, it takes another 5 minutes. wtf.
You can use "Everything";
Everything Search Engine
Very fast, and with the same context menu as Explorer.
Regards....Mike Connor
Everything Search Engine
Very fast, and with the same context menu as Explorer.
Regards....Mike Connor
Thanks a ton, mike
My pleasure, hope you like it. If you want to use it in Windows Explorer as well, in directories, then here's how to do it;
Classic Shell Add On Buttons
If you want to search for content in files, then you might like to try this;
http://code.google.com/p/dngrep/
Regards....Mike Connor
Classic Shell Add On Buttons
If you want to search for content in files, then you might like to try this;
http://code.google.com/p/dngrep/
Regards....Mike Connor
Here are a couple of other 3rd party searching apps that have been recommended by our posters:
NirSoft - Alternative to Windows Search For Files + Duplicates Search
Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - 64 bit Windows 7 file searcher - very fast and lets you choose the drive or path to search, similar to XP's search. BUT Agent Ransack was designed as a power tool, and is not an aesthetically pleasing tool for amateurs.
NirSoft - Alternative to Windows Search For Files + Duplicates Search
Agent Ransack - Free File Searching Utility - 64 bit Windows 7 file searcher - very fast and lets you choose the drive or path to search, similar to XP's search. BUT Agent Ransack was designed as a power tool, and is not an aesthetically pleasing tool for amateurs.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Imperfect1 BUT Agent Ransack was designed as a power tool, and is not an aesthetically pleasing tool for amateurs.
One of it's great features is that it is as powerful as you want but at the same time can definitely be used by an inexperienced user. You can start with the Wizard mode and move on from there. I find the user interface quite intuitive.
I think "Search Everything" is more of a power tool in my mind and best used as an administrative tool.
Just my perspective.
Does anyone in this forum use the command line search feature built into every version of windows?
Try where
Start >> run >> cmd
Type:
where c:\ *.*
or
where /?
This it will find all the files on your hard drive. Replace *.* with what your looking for and bam. You're done.
Try where
Start >> run >> cmd
Type:
where c:\ *.*
or
where /?
This it will find all the files on your hard drive. Replace *.* with what your looking for and bam. You're done.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sonic720 Does anyone in this forum use the command line search feature built into every version of windows?
Try where
Start >> run >> cmd
Type:
where c:\ *.*
or
where /?
This it will find all the files on your hard drive. Replace *.* with what your looking for and bam. You're done.
Try where
Start >> run >> cmd
Type:
where c:\ *.*
or
where /?
This it will find all the files on your hard drive. Replace *.* with what your looking for and bam. You're done.
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The screenshot (poor quality...taken with camera in darkened room then imported and snipped, as snip tool would not work without start menu search 'going away')
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on topic,you wont have to search for your snips it has a history button also.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by boohbah Quote:
The screenshot (poor quality...taken with camera in darkened room then imported and snipped, as snip tool would not work without start menu search 'going away')
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Are you using the free or paid version?
free vesion james
Well, it's two years on from the original question and a year on from the last comment, and I'm still looking for a usable way of searching on Windows 7.
The inbuilt search is a complete crock. It has replaced a clear GUI with a command line, and I can never remember the commands. It's fine for finding something simple in an indexed location, but when I'm trying to find hidden files in unindexed and possibly hidden locations because a program installation has failed then the Win7 search is as useless as a chocolate teapot.
And the alternative everybody seems to suggest is Search Everything. On the very rare occasions this runs without hanging I can't work out how to do anything with it.
My best solution so far is to fire up a copy of XP in a virtual machine and search using that, surely there has to be a better way?
The inbuilt search is a complete crock. It has replaced a clear GUI with a command line, and I can never remember the commands. It's fine for finding something simple in an indexed location, but when I'm trying to find hidden files in unindexed and possibly hidden locations because a program installation has failed then the Win7 search is as useless as a chocolate teapot.
And the alternative everybody seems to suggest is Search Everything. On the very rare occasions this runs without hanging I can't work out how to do anything with it.
My best solution so far is to fire up a copy of XP in a virtual machine and search using that, surely there has to be a better way?
did you try Agent Ransack (aka File Locator Lite)?
i use File Locator Lite and it works well for me.
i'm not sure how it will work for hidden files if you don't have those shown in your Folder options.
you can start it with "Run as administrator" to see if that helps in your searches.
FileLocator Lite - Free File Searching Utility
i use File Locator Lite and it works well for me.
i'm not sure how it will work for hidden files if you don't have those shown in your Folder options.
you can start it with "Run as administrator" to see if that helps in your searches.
FileLocator Lite - Free File Searching Utility
Agent Ransack /File Locator Lite has been referred to many times and is better for everyday use than Search Everything IMO. I have been using it for a long time now and wouldn't be without it. A "non computer person" can easily use it in say an office environment. In fact File Locator is simply a name change and some minor cosmetic changes to make the Corporate World feel more comfortable.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by digitig Well, it's two years on from the original question and a year on from the last comment, and I'm still looking for a usable way of searching on Windows 7.
The inbuilt search is a complete crock. It has replaced a clear GUI with a command line, and I can never remember the commands. It's fine for finding something simple in an indexed location, but when I'm trying to find hidden files in unindexed and possibly hidden locations because a program installation has failed then the Win7 search is as useless as a chocolate teapot.
And the alternative everybody seems to suggest is Search Everything. On the very rare occasions this runs without hanging I can't work out how to do anything with it.
My best solution so far is to fire up a copy of XP in a virtual machine and search using that, surely there has to be a better way?
The inbuilt search is a complete crock. It has replaced a clear GUI with a command line, and I can never remember the commands. It's fine for finding something simple in an indexed location, but when I'm trying to find hidden files in unindexed and possibly hidden locations because a program installation has failed then the Win7 search is as useless as a chocolate teapot.
And the alternative everybody seems to suggest is Search Everything. On the very rare occasions this runs without hanging I can't work out how to do anything with it.
My best solution so far is to fire up a copy of XP in a virtual machine and search using that, surely there has to be a better way?
look at this, I use daily FSL - Super Finder
�� Quote: Originally Posted by digitig Well, it's two years on from the original question and a year on from the last comment, and I'm still looking for a usable way of searching on Windows 7.
The inbuilt search is a complete crock. It has replaced a clear GUI with a command line, and I can never remember the commands. It's fine for finding something simple in an indexed location, but when I'm trying to find hidden files in unindexed and possibly hidden locations because a program installation has failed then the Win7 search is as useless as a chocolate teapot.
And the alternative everybody seems to suggest is Search Everything. On the very rare occasions this runs without hanging I can't work out how to do anything with it.
My best solution so far is to fire up a copy of XP in a virtual machine and search using that, surely there has to be a better way?
The inbuilt search is a complete crock. It has replaced a clear GUI with a command line, and I can never remember the commands. It's fine for finding something simple in an indexed location, but when I'm trying to find hidden files in unindexed and possibly hidden locations because a program installation has failed then the Win7 search is as useless as a chocolate teapot.
And the alternative everybody seems to suggest is Search Everything. On the very rare occasions this runs without hanging I can't work out how to do anything with it.
My best solution so far is to fire up a copy of XP in a virtual machine and search using that, surely there has to be a better way?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DavidW7ncus did you try Agent Ransack (aka File Locator Lite)?
i use File Locator Lite and it works well for me.
i'm not sure how it will work for hidden files if you don't have those shown in your Folder options.
you can start it with "Run as administrator" to see if that helps in your searches.
FileLocator Lite - Free File Searching Utility
i use File Locator Lite and it works well for me.
i'm not sure how it will work for hidden files if you don't have those shown in your Folder options.
you can start it with "Run as administrator" to see if that helps in your searches.
FileLocator Lite - Free File Searching Utility
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf Agent Ransack /File Locator Lite has been referred to many times and is better for everyday use than Search Everything IMO. I have been using it for a long time now and wouldn't be without it. A "non computer person" can easily use it in say an office environment. In fact File Locator is simply a name change and some minor cosmetic changes to make the Corporate World feel more comfortable.
I see I'm still using Release Build 761 - 2010.03.26.48708
I use it on WXP and Windows 7
iirc, it most resembled the search on W9x.
In my experience it is easily 10x faster and more efficient than the stock search on Windows 7
I could not imagine using anything else, and have long ago shut off all the windows search stuff since in my experiece, this free app excels the stock search in every way I can think of and have tried, I will never go backwards; ymmv.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor I too totally agree with using Agent Ransack aka File Locator Lite.
I see I'm still using Release Build 761 - 2010.03.26.48708
I use it on WXP and Windows 7
iirc, it most resembled the search on W9x.
In my experience it is easily 10x faster and more efficient than the stock search on Windows 7
I could not imagine using anything else, and have long ago shut off all the windows search stuff since in my experiece, this free app excels the stock search in every way I can think of and have tried, I will never go backwards; ymmv.
BUT to save you from an onslaught - it isn't actually faster. Windows search is an indexed search mechanism which will be faster than a non indexed scheme. But if Windows indexing has a problem so does your search.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf [....]
BUT to save you from an onslaught - it isn't actually faster. Windows search is an indexed search mechanism which will be faster than a non indexed scheme. But if Windows indexing has a problem so does your search.
BUT to save you from an onslaught - it isn't actually faster. Windows search is an indexed search mechanism which will be faster than a non indexed scheme. But if Windows indexing has a problem so does your search.
I do understand what you are saying; I've read all the posts from the senior members on this topic of how they like and prefer the stock search and I respect that and how they use it.
To explain my experience though - it is that I have all indexing services turned off and have no indexing store at all - I can't stand it personally, and I can't stand the stock search setup and its gui - but that's just me and my preference.. ..and so because of having indexing turned off is why I said it's 10x's faster, and in that light it is a much faster bare scan engine without relying on indexing.
I don't want to cause a stir about indexing though, and won't debate its usage.
imho, without question, I like File Locater Lite better is all.
About Windows Explorer search tool. Where is it & how to use it. I've been told to press F3 & that gives the 'search this page tool. Windows + F3 = zilch.
Its just F3, no other key. Windows + F also brings up search. Now unless you removed Windows Search from Windows Features...Be aware F3 is the universal key for search, a lot of applications use it. You have to be at the desktop to use it. Other wise it just selects the search box in Explorer or various other applications.
Windows + F does not have the above limitations.
Windows + F does not have the above limitations.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth Its just F3, no other key. Windows + F also brings up search. Now unless you removed Windows Search from Windows Features...Be aware F3 is the universal key for search, a lot of applications use it. You have to be at the desktop to use it. Other wise it just selects the search box in Explorer or various other applications.
Windows + F does not have the above limitations.
Windows + F does not have the above limitations.
Thanks for the clue. - 'desktop'.
Windows 7 is great - love the stability and all - but I hate windows search. It is very limiting. XP search was way better. But worse of all is that it fails. I often have to search through hundreds of SQL Server files looking for different column names and table names and often, many times, the search returns no results when i KNOW there are results. I have to then manually go through and find the files from my knowledge. VERY BAD. We are talking text files - nothing complicated here.
I use the built in Explorer search most of the time. At times I need to use Search Everything.
Download Everything
Download Everything
use this Super Finder - CNET Download.com
I came across this thread after doing a search (one that actually works, unlike this joke they came up with in W7).
I read through a number of posts and I had to laugh that there are guys here that think there is nothing wrong with this abortion of a search setup. If that was the case, why has there been 34,000 'views' of this thread??
A. For the mostly part it doesn't work,
B. It's confusing the way it's setup,
C. There was almost nothing wrong with the existing search.
All you have to do is a on-line search for a substitute for Win7 search and see how many others feel the same way.
I can't think of one thing better with W7. Every feature they changed is a disaster. None of those were broke, why waste time changing something that wasn't?
But, what should of been, still isn't fixed for a decade.
I read through a number of posts and I had to laugh that there are guys here that think there is nothing wrong with this abortion of a search setup. If that was the case, why has there been 34,000 'views' of this thread??
A. For the mostly part it doesn't work,
B. It's confusing the way it's setup,
C. There was almost nothing wrong with the existing search.
All you have to do is a on-line search for a substitute for Win7 search and see how many others feel the same way.
I can't think of one thing better with W7. Every feature they changed is a disaster. None of those were broke, why waste time changing something that wasn't?
But, what should of been, still isn't fixed for a decade.
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