Is there any free edition Antivirus that can be download online?
+1 Karl. Can't give you more rep until I spread it around.
+2 Karl and Lemur...........MSE is great and goes well with MS Firewall.
Can't rep either of you as I too need to spread the wealth around...
Can't rep either of you as I too need to spread the wealth around...
The thought is greatly appreciated.
+3. Good suggestion to the OP.
+4 MSE has been solid to say the least!! 
+5. 'Nuff said. 
+6 MSE
Download this also and run every week or two just to be sure.
Top left of page is free download button.
Malwarebytes
Mike
Download this also and run every week or two just to be sure.
Top left of page is free download button.
Malwarebytes
Mike
Thanks Karlsnooks.... I am currently using this software now. I think it is very useful.
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I agree!
MSE +9
best anti-virus in the benchmarks
also worth getting malwarebytes anti malware
best anti-virus in the benchmarks
also worth getting malwarebytes anti malware
�� Quote: Originally Posted by outlaw18 Thanks Karlsnooks.... I am currently using this software now. I think it is very useful.
MSE finds stuff that even the "paid versions" fail to find, consistently ranks high, integrates with windows smoothly and uses little sys resources....what more do ya want?
If I had a choice between a "paid version" and MSE....MSE would be the choice
If I had a choice between a "paid version" and MSE....MSE would be the choice
I run a computer repair shop and sell used computers for a living. I'm not an expert by any means, but for the past few months things have been kind of slow and I've had plenty of spare time. I think most reviews are bullsh*t to say the least so I spent a little cash and a couple hundred hours in the past two months doing a little testing of my own.. and nobody paid me a dime for it.. nor will I get paid because my opinion means nothing.. but here's what I came up with:
If I were to choose between paid versions, with money as no object, I'd just download the free version Comodo and buy Malwarebytes, specifically for it's RT updating of malicious IPs and the website blocking feature.
It's funny how conspicuously Microsoft excludes Comodo and Malwarebytes from their website. All other AVs use a definition based system and a hueristics engine that generates mostly false reports. The paid version of malwarebytes and defense+ in the free version of CIS both virtualize the file system and isolate unrecognized applications in a virtual environment but let them run until they can be deemed either safe or malicious depending on what they try to do or until testing from the central support site confirms either. People who say Comodo is for advanced users, myself included in the past, just haven't read the manual. Kind of a sad excuse when trying to protect months or years of accumulated work..
When properly configured CIS 5.0 walks all over just about every other AV I've tested including MSE, Avast, and Norton Internet Security 2010 in terms of effectiveness and system load. Unless actively running a scan CIS running side by side with the full version of Malwarebytes on a 2Gb 64 bit windows 7 system only uses about 40MB of RAM and adds a total of 6 seconds to boot time, vs more than 120MB/ 20 seconds extra boot time for MSE alone, 140MB/ 24 seconds for Norton
I spent a lot of time looking for sites serving up malware, and found quite a few, but the only computer setups that never got infected with anything had malwarebytes with the protection module activated..and/or CIS with the sandbox active and defense plus set in clean PC mode, if you use them both correctly, I don't think there's much of anything that can get past it.. not to say anything is 100% effective
If I were to choose between paid versions, with money as no object, I'd just download the free version Comodo and buy Malwarebytes, specifically for it's RT updating of malicious IPs and the website blocking feature.
It's funny how conspicuously Microsoft excludes Comodo and Malwarebytes from their website. All other AVs use a definition based system and a hueristics engine that generates mostly false reports. The paid version of malwarebytes and defense+ in the free version of CIS both virtualize the file system and isolate unrecognized applications in a virtual environment but let them run until they can be deemed either safe or malicious depending on what they try to do or until testing from the central support site confirms either. People who say Comodo is for advanced users, myself included in the past, just haven't read the manual. Kind of a sad excuse when trying to protect months or years of accumulated work..
When properly configured CIS 5.0 walks all over just about every other AV I've tested including MSE, Avast, and Norton Internet Security 2010 in terms of effectiveness and system load. Unless actively running a scan CIS running side by side with the full version of Malwarebytes on a 2Gb 64 bit windows 7 system only uses about 40MB of RAM and adds a total of 6 seconds to boot time, vs more than 120MB/ 20 seconds extra boot time for MSE alone, 140MB/ 24 seconds for Norton
I spent a lot of time looking for sites serving up malware, and found quite a few, but the only computer setups that never got infected with anything had malwarebytes with the protection module activated..and/or CIS with the sandbox active and defense plus set in clean PC mode, if you use them both correctly, I don't think there's much of anything that can get past it.. not to say anything is 100% effective
�� Quote: Originally Posted by outlaw18 Thanks Karlsnooks.... I am currently using this software now. I think it is very useful.
Regards,
JDobbsy1987
�� Quote: Originally Posted by outlaw18 Is there any free edition Antivirus that can be download online?
I note MSE has been highly recommended to you here.
Just to give a bit of balance to this thread - there are many people who choose / use a different free AV successfully as well.
Refer the below links for more information.
Top 10 Free Antivirus Programs for Windows - Free Virus Protection
Windows 7 Forums the biggest Windows 7 help and support forum, friendly help and many Windows 7 tutorials that will help you get the most out of Microsofts new Windows 7 Operating System. - Search Results for best free anti virus
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot The paid version of malwarebytes and defense+ in the free version of CIS both virtualize the file system and isolate unrecognized applications in a virtual environment but let them run until they can be deemed either safe or malicious depending on what they try to do or until testing from the central support site confirms either.
Defence+ is not a sandbox, it�s HIPS....
however, the latest version also has a built-in sandbox.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot ....and/or CIS with the sandbox active and defense plus set in clean PC mode...
I also love MSE.. but has any1 used the new norton antivirus 2011? It's absolutely insane... Installs under 1 minute and only uses 20MB of ram on idle! MSE uses about 75-80!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 �� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot The paid version of malwarebytes and defense+ in the free version of CIS both virtualize the file system and isolate unrecognized applications in a virtual environment but let them run until they can be deemed either safe or malicious depending on what they try to do or until testing from the central support site confirms either.
Defence+ is not a sandbox, it�s HIPS....
however, the latest version also has a built-in sandbox.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot ....and/or CIS with the sandbox active and defense plus set in clean PC mode...
defense+ monitors the set of running processes and services, and determines whether an application should be sandboxed.
I don't use safe mode because I never have a stable software set on any of my computers, but you are correct
Firstly, I have to say, I don't understand why so many people recommend MSE when there are far better alternatives. MSE ranks middle of the road at best, hardly top of the range.
The other thing I wanted to say is that I can't believe that people are still worried about their AV software using RAM. I have 8gigs! If my AV needs 50megs to protect me then it's welcome to it. 4GB is becoming standard these days but people still complain that AV software "hogs resources". If you are so concerned about your system resources, you have bigger problems than which AV to use.
The other thing I wanted to say is that I can't believe that people are still worried about their AV software using RAM. I have 8gigs! If my AV needs 50megs to protect me then it's welcome to it. 4GB is becoming standard these days but people still complain that AV software "hogs resources". If you are so concerned about your system resources, you have bigger problems than which AV to use.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SevenNerd I also love MSE.. but has any1 used the new norton antivirus 2011? It's absolutely insane... Installs under 1 minute and only uses 20MB of ram on idle! MSE uses about 75-80!
The only downside is that is a subscription based AV solution, but does have a lot more extra features for those who want them.
I love it and it has kept my PCs clean and trouble free. IMHO, its worth the cost.
Even the little things it does such as remove all tracking cookies when the PC is at idle.
While they aren't actually a threat, I do not want them there, and neither does NIS.
Although not all will agree.
However, as many have said and will say around here, no AV solution is 100% foolproof. The User still needs to be cautious of where they go and what they download/instal.
While some may defend better than others, they can not stop something specifically allowed by the user.
I too am in the same camp that, If you are worried about how much RAM your AV or OS is using (Aside for apps with obvious memory leaks), its likely time for a Hardware Upgrade.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k Firstly, I have to say, I don't understand why so many people recommend MSE when there are far better alternatives. MSE ranks middle of the road at best, hardly top of the range.
The other thing I wanted to say is that I can't believe that people are still worried about their AV software using RAM. I have 8gigs! If my AV needs 50megs to protect me then it's welcome to it. 4GB is becoming standard these days but people still complain that AV software "hogs resources". If you are so concerned about your system resources, you have bigger problems than which AV to use.
The other thing I wanted to say is that I can't believe that people are still worried about their AV software using RAM. I have 8gigs! If my AV needs 50megs to protect me then it's welcome to it. 4GB is becoming standard these days but people still complain that AV software "hogs resources". If you are so concerned about your system resources, you have bigger problems than which AV to use.
Mark I agree with all you say here....
[I also have 8GB RAM]
Jan.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k Firstly, I have to say, I don't understand why so many people recommend MSE when there are far better alternatives. MSE ranks middle of the road at best, hardly top of the range.
The other thing I wanted to say is that I can't believe that people are still worried about their AV software using RAM. I have 8gigs! If my AV needs 50megs to protect me then it's welcome to it. 4GB is becoming standard these days but people still complain that AV software "hogs resources". If you are so concerned about your system resources, you have bigger problems than which AV to use.
The other thing I wanted to say is that I can't believe that people are still worried about their AV software using RAM. I have 8gigs! If my AV needs 50megs to protect me then it's welcome to it. 4GB is becoming standard these days but people still complain that AV software "hogs resources". If you are so concerned about your system resources, you have bigger problems than which AV to use.
There are valid reasons for this. It has to do with Win 7's increased security. Here is JC Griffith's, MS MVP and noted expert on Window's OS's, theory. He is a member here. Note that this applies mainly to security suites; but carries over to stand alone security programs.
Quote:
My theory revolves around the enhanced security that came about in Vista when the user tokens were split. A "user-admin" account in Vista & Windows 7 runs with a single user token. When full admin rights are needed, elevation occurs via consent.exe (UAC) and the 2nd token is obtained for the particular function requiring full admin permission. Only the single Hidden Admin user account (SID = x-500) runs with both user tokens in Vista & Windows 7.
Certain system services run under the "Local Account". The firewall drivers run in kernel mode under NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM and can block local NETBIOS ports used by system services, resulting in APPHANGs, which after 30000ms, becomes an APPCRASH.
- Windows Explorer or IE8 screen background fading white
- small blue circle spinning endlessly
- The phrase "..Not Responding..." appears
- WERCON screen appears and asks about reporting, close program, check online for solution, restart the crashing app, etc...
In XP, all admin accounts run with 2 user tokens = full admin rights; hence the reason Zone Alarm, NIS, KIS, MIS, N360, et al., do not have problems. Only 1 level of security to deal with.
I have always held that the differing levels of security in Vista/ Windows 7 make it extremely difficult for Internet Security Suites to function normally (as in XP).
Food for thought!
J. C. Griffith
Certain system services run under the "Local Account". The firewall drivers run in kernel mode under NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM and can block local NETBIOS ports used by system services, resulting in APPHANGs, which after 30000ms, becomes an APPCRASH.
- Windows Explorer or IE8 screen background fading white
- small blue circle spinning endlessly
- The phrase "..Not Responding..." appears
- WERCON screen appears and asks about reporting, close program, check online for solution, restart the crashing app, etc...
In XP, all admin accounts run with 2 user tokens = full admin rights; hence the reason Zone Alarm, NIS, KIS, MIS, N360, et al., do not have problems. Only 1 level of security to deal with.
I have always held that the differing levels of security in Vista/ Windows 7 make it extremely difficult for Internet Security Suites to function normally (as in XP).
Food for thought!
J. C. Griffith
This apples to third party firewalls, too. Some are worst than others. In my experience, ZA is the worst followed by McAfee. I have seen no problems caused by Windows Firewall and almost none by Comodo and PC Tools firewalls.
This is my experience in working with BSOD's. It is not scientific nor have I researched it. It is certainly not based on protection level reports (which I pay very little attention to).
Madtownidiot
I excuse you and some others from the following. Your PC couldnt catch anything in a Bubonic Plague epidemic.
I am clueless to your HIPS etc. I'm glad you figured it all out for yourself.
Please don't explain it all here for me I know where it is posted.
Mike
HIPS and some of the other advanced secutity options make absolutely no sense to me.
Read the stuff several times and it is just over my head. The more I read the more confused.
So I run MSE and Avast 5.
They both love each other on Windows 7 and XP.
They like each other so much they got married on my PC.
I drag out the Malwarebytes once a week to run a scan.
Malwarebytes has NEVER found a thing on my sytem.
So MSE and Avast 5 are blocking EVERYTHING!
Why run two compatible AV's you may ask? Because it works!
No BSODS no hangs it just works
Those of you who say just run MSE. Guess what it won't catch everything.
Those against MSE. Guess what your suggestions won't catch everything either.
No one AV will detect everything. Go Google the tests if they aren't already listed in this thread.
Cover your butt and it won't get bit!!!!
I excuse you and some others from the following. Your PC couldnt catch anything in a Bubonic Plague epidemic.
I am clueless to your HIPS etc. I'm glad you figured it all out for yourself.
Please don't explain it all here for me I know where it is posted.
Mike
HIPS and some of the other advanced secutity options make absolutely no sense to me.
Read the stuff several times and it is just over my head. The more I read the more confused.
So I run MSE and Avast 5.
They both love each other on Windows 7 and XP.
They like each other so much they got married on my PC.
I drag out the Malwarebytes once a week to run a scan.
Malwarebytes has NEVER found a thing on my sytem.
So MSE and Avast 5 are blocking EVERYTHING!
Why run two compatible AV's you may ask? Because it works!
No BSODS no hangs it just works
Those of you who say just run MSE. Guess what it won't catch everything.
Those against MSE. Guess what your suggestions won't catch everything either.
No one AV will detect everything. Go Google the tests if they aren't already listed in this thread.
Cover your butt and it won't get bit!!!!
Mike,
You've got some rather tame chiggers where you are.
I use and only use MSE. MalwareBytes has never detected any malware on my computers since I installed MSE.
You've got some rather tame chiggers where you are.
I use and only use MSE. MalwareBytes has never detected any malware on my computers since I installed MSE.
MSE and Avast are the exceptions to the rule about never running to AV programs simultaneously. Avast was was programmed to be compatible with MSE.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by CarlTR6 MSE and Avast are the exceptions to the rule about never running to AV programs simultaneously. Avast was was programmed to be compatible with MSE.
Avast was designed to be able to run together with MSE.
but, that is NOT the only exception to the "rule" !
Emsisoft Anti-Malware (EAM) also works together with almost all other antivirus-programs !
although with the latest version you might have to change the settings for the "File Guard" to "Scan on Execution",
so it works as the previous version did.
I'm not saying everyone should run both.
If you want the extra protection it is available.....AND it is easy to use.
Comodo and HIPS seems to work great but the majority of people would be as lost as I am trying to use them.
MSE plus Avast5 makes the best compromise for the majority of people who are clueless on the advanced security such as HIPS.
MY 2 cents.
Mike
...and EAM noted by Hackerman.
All this arguing is fine between all you gurus.
It is totally confusing for the new people posting and the non-subscribers trying to learn something.
You want to have a AV/Security debate start a thread in the VIP section.
Not here on the main forum.
Tacky doing this once or twice a week.
My 2 cents again.
Mike
If you want the extra protection it is available.....AND it is easy to use.
Comodo and HIPS seems to work great but the majority of people would be as lost as I am trying to use them.
MSE plus Avast5 makes the best compromise for the majority of people who are clueless on the advanced security such as HIPS.
MY 2 cents.
Mike
...and EAM noted by Hackerman.
All this arguing is fine between all you gurus.
It is totally confusing for the new people posting and the non-subscribers trying to learn something.
You want to have a AV/Security debate start a thread in the VIP section.
Not here on the main forum.
Tacky doing this once or twice a week.
My 2 cents again.
Mike
None of us are experts although we are experienced.
I have yet to see any objective report showing that MSE + AVAST (or any other av) brings any improvement. Obvious is that the combination will require more processor time.
I have yet to see any objective report showing that MSE + AVAST (or any other av) brings any improvement. Obvious is that the combination will require more processor time.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks None of us are experts although we are experienced.
I have yet to see any objective report showing that MSE + AVAST (or any other av) brings any improvement. Obvious is that the combination will require more processor time.
I have yet to see any objective report showing that MSE + AVAST (or any other av) brings any improvement. Obvious is that the combination will require more processor time.
Avast offers more protection than MSE.
NO antivirus/antimalware-program can detect everything, so if you have a good combination that works, of course that�s an improvement.
Karl there is no proof just my experience as you have yours.
I agree it may not help. Can't hurt. My only point.
No argument intended or wanted.
I agree it may not help. Can't hurt. My only point.
No argument intended or wanted.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 Avast offers more protection than MSE.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks �� Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 Avast offers more protection than MSE.
just look at Avast....
http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download#tab2
email-scanner etc.
I consider the email scanner important. The lack of one is my only complaint about MSE.
MSE is a good free alternative, I however run Avast and have for 3 years now without a single infection. It was the first AV to offer protection for the Windows Home Server which I was standing up at the time. I have been very impressed with this product and can't praise it highly enough.
In supporting totally clueless/non-IT users I have had to clean out far too many infected machines and after installing Free Avast I have not had to revisit any of these machines due to virus's, User error definitely but not virus's. This speaks volume's where the real world is concerned.
I would recommend either MSE or Avast.....My personal preference is Avast however. Please note that Avast scans every file opened or downloaded.
As you will notice at the bottom of my attachment it even scanned the snipping tool as I created the file.
In supporting totally clueless/non-IT users I have had to clean out far too many infected machines and after installing Free Avast I have not had to revisit any of these machines due to virus's, User error definitely but not virus's. This speaks volume's where the real world is concerned.
I would recommend either MSE or Avast.....My personal preference is Avast however. Please note that Avast scans every file opened or downloaded.
As you will notice at the bottom of my attachment it even scanned the snipping tool as I created the file.
Bob, you are right about Avast scanning every file opened or downloaded; but it does it quickly. I tried AVG for about three months and there was a noticeable lag caused by AVG scanning files downloading and opening. I have tried several antivirus programs just to see how they do on my system. I can easily recommend MSE or Avast - or both simultaneously.
MSE uses more RAM, about 60MB
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 �� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks �� Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 Avast offers more protection than MSE.
just look at Avast....
avast! Free Antivirus - Download Software for Virus Protection
email-scanner etc.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista MSE uses more RAM, about 60MB
What's the point?
Dosen't all the comments above just prove there isn't a 'one solution fits all!'
I've used Avast, Avira, AvG and loads others. All have strengths and weaknesses (although I must admit - Avast and AvG seems to miss more virus's than others). Because of this I change my AV proggy once in a while.
Currently, I use Microsoft's and it has worked fine for a long time. I do use Avast on my daughter's pc. The reason? If anything gets through mine a different antivirus proggy might stop it spreading to my daughter's.
So my recommendation goes to MSE - backed up with Malwarebytes.
It must be said when I have had a bad infection which the others mentioned above won't clear I rely on Kaspersky (trial), used with Malwarebytes and sometimes a online detection scanner for an extra check.
Dosen't all the comments above just prove there isn't a 'one solution fits all!'
I've used Avast, Avira, AvG and loads others. All have strengths and weaknesses (although I must admit - Avast and AvG seems to miss more virus's than others). Because of this I change my AV proggy once in a while.
Currently, I use Microsoft's and it has worked fine for a long time. I do use Avast on my daughter's pc. The reason? If anything gets through mine a different antivirus proggy might stop it spreading to my daughter's.
So my recommendation goes to MSE - backed up with Malwarebytes.
It must be said when I have had a bad infection which the others mentioned above won't clear I rely on Kaspersky (trial), used with Malwarebytes and sometimes a online detection scanner for an extra check.
yep FREE is MSE's last name
The only problem with anything Microsoft offers for free ....you generally get what you pay for
And just for the record:
Microsoft Security Essentials is certified by two of the industry�s leading independent certification authorities:
International Computer Security Association Labs (ICSA) and
West Coast Labs.
MSE received the most recent VB100 Award and certification from AV-Test.
Microsoft Security Essentials received the PC Advisor Awards 2010 - Best Free Software award
MSE is rated by Consumer Reports as a "Best Buy".
Microsoft Security Essentials is certified by two of the industry�s leading independent certification authorities:
International Computer Security Association Labs (ICSA) and
West Coast Labs.
MSE received the most recent VB100 Award and certification from AV-Test.
Microsoft Security Essentials received the PC Advisor Awards 2010 - Best Free Software award
MSE is rated by Consumer Reports as a "Best Buy".
MSE is Awesome. 
�� Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgeB MSE is Awesome.
There is no FACTUAL basis for your judgement
Quote:
Nearly two decades ago, Rodney King famously asked, "Can't we all get along?" For many, that question still rings true today. Can people of different races who prefer different antimalware programs really get along and be close friends?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks 
bobtran,
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks bobtran,
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
Karl,
Consumer Reports is no better than any other rag that's out there with their opinion, which by the way, is bought and paid for by the advertiser's in the magazine and the poor souls that subscribe to it! IMO
�� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks bobtran,
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by The Howling Wolves �� Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks bobtran,
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
I thought there might be a couple of people who would enjoy that tidbit of info. You mean that you don't buy all of computer software and hardware based upon Consumer Reports? I'm overwhelmed with disbelief.
Karl,
Consumer Reports is no better than any other rag that's out there with their opinion, which by the way, is bought and paid for by the advertiser's in the magazine and the poor souls that subscribe to it! IMO
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