so i want to install windows 7 and i am agamer. so i need to slim it down and delete the things i dont need. SO is there any program that will let me do it? or can i do after installing it?
Search for "Black Viper." You will find tweaks regarding the various settings you can alter in the Windows services.
Use the information with caution, however.
Use the information with caution, however.
Anything changed about your system specs from here,
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tml#post531952
If not and you're still using the integrated Intel graphics, all the "tweaks" and "slimming" in the world won't help. You want to play games you're going to have to get a video card.
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tml#post531952
If not and you're still using the integrated Intel graphics, all the "tweaks" and "slimming" in the world won't help. You want to play games you're going to have to get a video card.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by stormy13 
anything changed about your system specs from here,
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tml#post531952
if not and you're still using the integrated intel graphics, all the "tweaks" and "slimming" in the world won't help. You want to play games you're going to have to get a video card.
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tml#post531952
if not and you're still using the integrated intel graphics, all the "tweaks" and "slimming" in the world won't help. You want to play games you're going to have to get a video card.
lol i dont use that PC anymore i have a gaming system now with a dedicated GPu and a quad core so any help?
It won't matter. At all. So don't waste your time.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth It won't matter. At all. So don't waste your time.
Tweaks will come back to bite you every time in Win7.
It is a perfectly balanced, light-as-a-feather OS which will accomodate any need level with sufficient hardware.
This is not XPired or Vista. Win7 has become the Black Viper.
It is a perfectly balanced, light-as-a-feather OS which will accomodate any need level with sufficient hardware.
This is not XPired or Vista. Win7 has become the Black Viper.
If you want to slim down your installation DVD, you could use rt7lite. It is like nlite and vlite, but for Windows 7. You will have to download and install WAIK from Microsoft, but this little program is great. rt7lite
IMHO you will find out that 3rd party program tweaks for Windows 7 just don't work. In the most part they due damage. Like gregrocker has posted it will come back and bite you. Once you start using Windows 7 it won't be long and you will think its great. Please post your specs. Of course you can always come back here with questions if need be.
DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT follow the advice of BlackViper's. I honestly don't know why, here in 2010, people still don't get it about service tweaking. He was renamed to QuackViper at least 5 years ago for good reason, so why on Earth would anyone still bring up his site or suggestions? On most other forums, the mere mention of his name gets you laughed right off the boards.
It is becoming monotonous to have to keep saying this, but if you want to tweak Windows 7, leave....it....alone. Make sure your drivers are updated, don't run unneccessary apps in the background, such as AOL IM, etc, and let the system do its thing.
There has never EVER been a test done to show any positive results from disabling services, and on the [H]ardForums, several Microsoft developers actively posted and tested this out along with the members. You gain nothing accept the chance for instability.
If I sound like I'm riled up on this topic, it's because I am for two reasons. First, excellent coffee this morning from my Kuerig. Second, I'm tired of reading threads and trying to troubleshoot unstable systems that were "tweaked" by removing components and disabling services.
We finally have an OS that self-maintains, and keeps itself efficient over time. Why can't people just sit back, relax, and enjoy using their computers for a change? The OP is a gamer...go on enjoying your games!
It is becoming monotonous to have to keep saying this, but if you want to tweak Windows 7, leave....it....alone. Make sure your drivers are updated, don't run unneccessary apps in the background, such as AOL IM, etc, and let the system do its thing.
There has never EVER been a test done to show any positive results from disabling services, and on the [H]ardForums, several Microsoft developers actively posted and tested this out along with the members. You gain nothing accept the chance for instability.
If I sound like I'm riled up on this topic, it's because I am for two reasons. First, excellent coffee this morning from my Kuerig. Second, I'm tired of reading threads and trying to troubleshoot unstable systems that were "tweaked" by removing components and disabling services.
We finally have an OS that self-maintains, and keeps itself efficient over time. Why can't people just sit back, relax, and enjoy using their computers for a change? The OP is a gamer...go on enjoying your games!
hmm well okay i just did a little tweaking from services and such and my specs are
AMD ATHLON II 640 3.0 ghz Quad Core
Radeon 4870 1GB
4Gb DDr3
and 500GB+160Gb HDD
anymore help?
AMD ATHLON II 640 3.0 ghz Quad Core
Radeon 4870 1GB
4Gb DDr3
and 500GB+160Gb HDD
anymore help?
Anymore help on what? There is nothing you need to do.
+1 DeaconFrost. Couldn't have said it better. I wish people would learn to leave Windows 7 alone. It is not XP.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT follow the advice of BlackViper's. I honestly don't know why, here in 2010, people still don't get it about service tweaking. He was renamed to QuackViper at least 5 years ago for good reason, so why on Earth would anyone still bring up his site or suggestions? On most other forums, the mere mention of his name gets you laughed right off the boards.
It is becoming monotonous to have to keep saying this, but if you want to tweak Windows 7, leave....it....alone. Make sure your drivers are updated, don't run unneccessary apps in the background, such as AOL IM, etc, and let the system do its thing.
There has never EVER been a test done to show any positive results from disabling services, and on the [H]ardForums, several Microsoft developers actively posted and tested this out along with the members. You gain nothing accept the chance for instability.
If I sound like I'm riled up on this topic, it's because I am for two reasons. First, excellent coffee this morning from my Kuerig. Second, I'm tired of reading threads and trying to troubleshoot unstable systems that were "tweaked" by removing components and disabling services.
We finally have an OS that self-maintains, and keeps itself efficient over time. Why can't people just sit back, relax, and enjoy using their computers for a change? The OP is a gamer...go on enjoying your games!
It is becoming monotonous to have to keep saying this, but if you want to tweak Windows 7, leave....it....alone. Make sure your drivers are updated, don't run unneccessary apps in the background, such as AOL IM, etc, and let the system do its thing.
There has never EVER been a test done to show any positive results from disabling services, and on the [H]ardForums, several Microsoft developers actively posted and tested this out along with the members. You gain nothing accept the chance for instability.
If I sound like I'm riled up on this topic, it's because I am for two reasons. First, excellent coffee this morning from my Kuerig. Second, I'm tired of reading threads and trying to troubleshoot unstable systems that were "tweaked" by removing components and disabling services.
We finally have an OS that self-maintains, and keeps itself efficient over time. Why can't people just sit back, relax, and enjoy using their computers for a change? The OP is a gamer...go on enjoying your games!
One of the first things I have always done after installing a Windows OS, and did with Win 7, is eliminate the services I don't need. What's wrong with that? Have you seen me asking for help as a result of such an action?
I presented the caveat that one must use the information with caution, Deacon. I did not reference the information for one to go willy-nilly re-configuring services.
Not only is Black Viper not laughed at, but may be responsible for shaking MS into finally realizing that all services not absolutely needed at the moment should be set on Manual with fast triggers instead of Auto to suck RAM/CPU.
THe release of Vista debuted a dinosaur so lumbering that tech enthusiasts fled to Black Viper to tame it down. The lesson had not yet been learned at MS: even delayed Auto services are a resource hog. Yet MS resisted because it felt many services need to be standing by if called upon.
They resolved this in the development of Win7 according to their own blog by developing fast triggers, and improving the genius of SuperPreFetch to anticipate User needs. These changes were SP'd into Vista to truly tame it at last.
In honor I call Win7 the Black Viper, although I know it's airy hummingbird is more apt for the OS it has become - IMO thanks in no small part to him.
I know that somewhere he's glaring at the Offline files service in Ultimate.
THe release of Vista debuted a dinosaur so lumbering that tech enthusiasts fled to Black Viper to tame it down. The lesson had not yet been learned at MS: even delayed Auto services are a resource hog. Yet MS resisted because it felt many services need to be standing by if called upon.
They resolved this in the development of Win7 according to their own blog by developing fast triggers, and improving the genius of SuperPreFetch to anticipate User needs. These changes were SP'd into Vista to truly tame it at last.
In honor I call Win7 the Black Viper, although I know it's airy hummingbird is more apt for the OS it has become - IMO thanks in no small part to him.
I know that somewhere he's glaring at the Offline files service in Ultimate.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Japjeev so i want to install windows 7 and i am agamer. so i need to slim it down and delete the things i dont need. SO is there any program that will let me do it? or can i do after installing it?
But, read that thread that might insterrest you in post #3 (link):
Microsoft slams OEM crapware
Used BV's basic process reduction for years.
There is not much to tweak with W7, it is good stuff.
Turning off un needed process's certainly helps.
You can stop cpu core parking, You can force your user to using all ram, You can use ReadyBoost.
I have disabled HT and HPET in bios.
I've done all of the above but they are only minimal gains. Worth 1/10th point in WEI scores.
There is not much to tweak with W7, it is good stuff.
Turning off un needed process's certainly helps.
You can stop cpu core parking, You can force your user to using all ram, You can use ReadyBoost.
I have disabled HT and HPET in bios.
I've done all of the above but they are only minimal gains. Worth 1/10th point in WEI scores.
I just found with a clean install of Windows 7 and using a stopwatch and a plethora of tests, I was unable to make any changes that caused a repeatable performance increase. In fact, after doing about a dozen different things, my boot times and performance actually started to suffer rather than increase.
As others have said, many have looked at the Black Viper guides over the years. While it can reduce the # of processes and some equate this to a performance increase, with a stopwatch, I haven't really found any good reason for most of it. In fact, I often feel the time spent to read about the tweak and making the tweak takes more time then you ever save from the tweak. Now, many report night and day differences when making these changes....but most people don't post quantifiable results...such as those from a stopwatch...so I have to assume it's nothing more than a placebo effect performance increase.
As others have said, many have looked at the Black Viper guides over the years. While it can reduce the # of processes and some equate this to a performance increase, with a stopwatch, I haven't really found any good reason for most of it. In fact, I often feel the time spent to read about the tweak and making the tweak takes more time then you ever save from the tweak. Now, many report night and day differences when making these changes....but most people don't post quantifiable results...such as those from a stopwatch...so I have to assume it's nothing more than a placebo effect performance increase.
There is no need to manually tweak Windows 7 for gaming. Just get Game Booster Game Booster | Fast Game Accelerator | Free Accelerator
It's free and it works.
It's free and it works.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by dkg1 There is no need to manually tweak Windows 7 for gaming...
I haven't read thru the thread, but---
All of those tweak programs are a waste of your time and money.
Win 7 is NOT XP
Win 7 is NOT XP
Win 7 is NOT Vista
Win 7 is NOT Vista
Trying to remove the pain that people inflict upon themselves with tweak programs already consumes too much of my time.
People stay away from tweak programs.
All of those tweak programs are a waste of your time and money.
Win 7 is NOT XP
Win 7 is NOT XP
Win 7 is NOT Vista
Win 7 is NOT Vista
Trying to remove the pain that people inflict upon themselves with tweak programs already consumes too much of my time.
People stay away from tweak programs.
Just about the only "tweaking" you would ever need to do is turn off certain services at startup, and even then you won't see a huge difference.
If you want a faster overall PC, then install a light AV (like MSE), get an SSD, an i7, and a 480.
~Lordbob
If you want a faster overall PC, then install a light AV (like MSE), get an SSD, an i7, and a 480.
~Lordbob
Don't see whether it's 32- or 64-bit. 64-bit might need more than 4gb RAM to be fast. It's right on the border.
But 32 bit should run fine @ 4gb.
But 32 bit should run fine @ 4gb.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 Just about the only "tweaking" you would ever need to do is turn off certain services at startup, and even then you won't see a huge difference.
~Maxx~
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BOOT AND SHUTDOWN PERFORMANCE
How to use Event Viewer to view your Boot and Shutdown Performance
WIN key | type EVENTVWR.MSC | ENTER key
First wait for the Event Viewer to be populated-watch the Summary of Administrative Events section.
Now, using the left-hand pane tunnel down as follows:
Applications and services logs | Microsoft | Windows | Diagnostics-Performance | Operational
Right-click on Operational.
In the top-section of the middle pane, various events are listed.
Click on EventID to sort the events from smallest to largest.
EventID 100 is for Boot Performance.
EventID 200 is for Shutdown Performance
I disagree... there are a few things you can do to trim down windows 7 for gaming purposes without losing anything important... start by removing features, then disable startup items in MSconfig.. even the AV and your graphics card startup programs can be disabled. Doing that doesn't turn off the AV or disable the graphics card, just the interface for controlling it. Then manually stop and disable unnecessary services.. attached is the present service configuration I have running on 7 professional, very trimmed down.. and absolutely nothing important has stopped working. Windows 7 pro x64 at startup configured this way uses >700MB out of 4GB total on the laptop I'm using right now.. It boots in >25 seconds from a cold start.. (as posted on the reboot time thread about a week ago) ..and takes about 6 seconds from the time the desktop appears to load all the delayed services.. so about 31 seconds from a cold boot to the time it takes to get on the internet or start a game.. and everything still works, and that's without using a SSD
Darn folks, I don't get. Four seconds faster boot. Take a deep breath and the 4 seconds is gone. I have posted many times that I don't know of any 3rd party tweaking programs that are needed with Windows 7. The old days of tweaking are gone when you use Windows 7. Isn't that the kind of operating system we have been begging for? If I have to download a 3rd party tweaking program to gain 4 seconds, I need to get a life.
I didn't use any tweaking programs. They don't work anyway
Check out the time difference between booting a pretty picture for a desktop and a plain solid color.
Gentleman,
The threader asked if there was any tips to trimming out his puter for gaming. He did not ask for hacks or negative responses, telling him he's being bad. LOL he never used the word tweak, y'all did, He did not say he was concerned about boot times, he did not even ask about over clocking.
He asked if there is away to be sure his puter is focused on the games he plays and not multi tasking whilest gaming.
Process reduction will help in that. Reducing the decisions a puter makes on its own will help. ie max performance power saving selected, any type of automatic response mechanism disabled.
Only thing that will even show a difference is the bench mark scores, you will never notice it yourself in game, really. Games are about vid cards, ram, and cpu. Get a cpu pushing 4GHz and you wil see a difference, but thats a hardware boost not a software boost.
IMO stay away from 3rd party boost software, not worth it. Ultimately you should spend time with Google researching. Then you can make the changes you want and understand what it is your changing.
The threader asked if there was any tips to trimming out his puter for gaming. He did not ask for hacks or negative responses, telling him he's being bad. LOL he never used the word tweak, y'all did, He did not say he was concerned about boot times, he did not even ask about over clocking.
He asked if there is away to be sure his puter is focused on the games he plays and not multi tasking whilest gaming.
Process reduction will help in that. Reducing the decisions a puter makes on its own will help. ie max performance power saving selected, any type of automatic response mechanism disabled.
Only thing that will even show a difference is the bench mark scores, you will never notice it yourself in game, really. Games are about vid cards, ram, and cpu. Get a cpu pushing 4GHz and you wil see a difference, but thats a hardware boost not a software boost.
IMO stay away from 3rd party boost software, not worth it. Ultimately you should spend time with Google researching. Then you can make the changes you want and understand what it is your changing.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear Check out the time difference between booting a pretty picture for a desktop and a plain solid color.
In contrast the previous in editions (say Win 2000) the solid blue color decreased the startup time.
There is no meaning of using a chopped down version of Windows 7; if it really could be made completely bug free, then Microsoft itself would sell "Windows 7 Gamers' Edition".
I can see lot of such editions in Warez sites only, I dont know any standard Windows forum have tested them or not.
To measure the hardware capability, one can use WEI.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear Check out the time difference between booting a pretty picture for a desktop and a plain solid color.
I use a 3 MB .png version of this .jpeg graphic as a log on screen and a 14.5 MB Dreamscene video on the desktop and my Win 7 computer still sboots in less than 20 seconds just as it always has since I disabled all unneeded services.
~Maxx~
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If you make a png of a solid color, it will boot faster than if you use a solid color from a theme
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot If you make a png of a solid color, it will boot faster than if you use a solid color from a theme
Well I think most are getting my point. There are so many things that can change how things work, a little this and a little that but most of them might show on a graft but a human eye will never notice the deference. If one wants a gamer computer there are things to do. Faster multi core cpu, more and faster ram, one or more wop ass video cards, clocked and cooled. Little tweaks (or what ever you want to call them) in services or other operating system things will not bring a speed up of any amount that the human will notice. Windows 7 Gamer operating system is a great idea if one would never need those serveries when there was a problem. How many post have you all read they don't have a restore point, it's turned off. There will be 10 or more people on this site trying to help with 30 or more post when if the restore option was working the repair would just be a few clicks away. The only service I have off are anything that has to do with remote access.
I recommend CCleaner. It is like Windows Disk Cleanup, except that it is highly configurable and feature many more options, including support for cleaning various third party programs. It also has an effective, safe registry cleaner that allows you to backup you registry before cleaning.
Also, you should go to Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel and uninstall thing you don't need or use.
Defragmenting your Hard Drive can also help out a lot. You can use Windows own defragmenter, or use a third-party tool. I use third-party tools myself just because it seems like the built-in utility takes forever and a day to finish the job, and ends up the with the same result as the other (faster) third-party utilities.
Keep an organized directory structure of your various pictures, video, etc. and keep your Start Menu organized.
Lastly, use Microsoft Security Essentials as your anti-virus. It's lean and mean compared to the resource-intensive Norton, Avira, AVG, McAfee, etc...
Also, you should go to Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel and uninstall thing you don't need or use.
Defragmenting your Hard Drive can also help out a lot. You can use Windows own defragmenter, or use a third-party tool. I use third-party tools myself just because it seems like the built-in utility takes forever and a day to finish the job, and ends up the with the same result as the other (faster) third-party utilities.
Keep an organized directory structure of your various pictures, video, etc. and keep your Start Menu organized.
Lastly, use Microsoft Security Essentials as your anti-virus. It's lean and mean compared to the resource-intensive Norton, Avira, AVG, McAfee, etc...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear The only service I have off are anything that has to do with remote access.
~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by Japjeev so i want to install windows 7 and i am agamer. so i need to slim it down and delete the things i dont need. SO is there any program that will let me do it? or can i do after installing it?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire Same here along with Fax Service,[off by default] Bit Locker Drive Encryption Service [off by default], Bluetooth Support Service [off by default], Encrypting File System Service [off by default], Human Interface Device Service [off by default], Parental Controls Service [off by default], PNRP Service[off by default], Smart Card and Smart Card Removal Service[off by default], SNMP Trap Service[off by default], Tablet PC Input Service[off by default], TMP Base Services[off by default], Web Client Service along with scores of others of Win 7's 164 Services that I do not use including ones like Windows Defender and Windows Firewall which I have replaced with award winning 3rd party programs that have kept my computers attack free and completely without infection for many years.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by derekimo �� Quote: Originally Posted by Japjeev so i want to install windows 7 and i am agamer. so i need to slim it down and delete the things i dont need. SO is there any program that will let me do it? or can i do after installing it?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl �� Quote: Originally Posted by derekimo �� Quote: Originally Posted by Japjeev so i want to install windows 7 and i am agamer. so i need to slim it down and delete the things i dont need. SO is there any program that will let me do it? or can i do after installing it?
The simple fact is no program exists that will speed up and trim down windows 7 as effectively as some good manual tweaking of the registry, services and startup programs, followed by a thorough HDD cleanup and a defrag using a 3rd party defragmenter. If you don't have a bit of experience and a system that you're willing to practice on and risk breaking the OS from time to time in trying to find the best possible setup, you're better off just leaving it as is.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot The simple fact is no program exists that will speed up and trim down windows 7 as effectively as some good manual tweaking of the registry, services and startup programs, followed by a thorough HDD cleanup and a defrag using a 3rd party defragmenter. If you don't have a bit of experience and a system that you're willing to practice on and risk breaking the OS from time to time in trying to find the best possible setup, you're better off just leaving it as is.
~Maxx~
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LOL! Some people just can't leave well enough alone! I know I'm one of them! I learn the most when trying to recover from a "tweak" I found on a forum such as this! There is no difference from the "Hot rodder" who is trying to squeeze an ounce of performance from a vehicle that has been on the drawing boards for years than a "Gamer" to whom 3/4 seconds means a lot! Been there (shouldn't have been) done that! I love 7 and it loves me and even when I do something "creative" it is forgiving!! So my take is have fun and backup often!! You're going to need it
When you can reduce the base memory load by 40-50% and the number of running processes at startup to under 40 on a system built mainly for running multiple VMs.. it makes a big difference, even when you have 8 GB to work with
if you have a lot of spare time, try this:
Make a system image right after installing windows, before installing any updates, then update and install drivers and every program you're planning to use and run them all simultaneously until the page fault count starts to skyrocket and the system bogs down. Whatever windows recommends for a pagefile size when that happens, add 50% to it and set a fixed pagefile right after wiping the HDD and restoring from the system image.. It's not necessary on SSDs, but having a contiguous pagefile that will never be fragmented makes a big difference a year or so down the road
Make a system image right after installing windows, before installing any updates, then update and install drivers and every program you're planning to use and run them all simultaneously until the page fault count starts to skyrocket and the system bogs down. Whatever windows recommends for a pagefile size when that happens, add 50% to it and set a fixed pagefile right after wiping the HDD and restoring from the system image.. It's not necessary on SSDs, but having a contiguous pagefile that will never be fragmented makes a big difference a year or so down the road
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pasquanel LOL! Some people just can't leave well enough alone! I know I'm one of them!
~Maxx~
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Configuring more SysRestore points space in System Protection is always a good idea - if you have the HD space to spare and especially if you're feeling tweaky.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire �� Quote: Originally Posted by pasquanel LOL! Some people just can't leave well enough alone! I know I'm one of them!
~Maxx~
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I used to recommend software to MAC users, but every time I did I found that most of the features that made it really great on the Windows platform had been 'carmelized' out of it for MAC.
~Maxx~
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~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot �� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire �� Quote: Originally Posted by pasquanel LOL! Some people just can't leave well enough alone! I know I'm one of them!
~Maxx~
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Most of the features that make software great on a windows platform originate in a much lighter and more efficient open source application only available in linux.. but are totally unusable for people who are afraid to type a few command lines
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Leopard This is a very rude post, and very inconsiderate. I am a Mac user, and I am very capable with technology.
FYI-Over a 1 year period I saw my Dad's $4,500 Dual Quad MAC Pro Leopard OS crash twice while my Vista laptop kept right on running!
~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot Most of the features that make software great on a windows platform originate in a much lighter and more efficient open source application only available in linux.. but are totally unusable for people who are afraid to type a few command lines
sudo apt-get install reality-check
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Leopard This is a very rude post, and very inconsiderate. I am a Mac user, and I am very capable with technology.
If you happen to be one of the very small minority of MAC users who knows how to use single sign on mode and isn't afraid of the terminal.. more power to you ..and if you are truly very capable with technology, you would know the truth of my statement as you are not the kind of person the typical MACs is marketed towards in most recent mac advertisements
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Leopard So you're saying all Mac users are afraid of a command line, thereby incoherent with all kinds of technology?
sudo apt-get install reality-check
sudo apt-get install reality-check
Here's a simple comparison that blows my mind people don't do frequently. Now that Macs and PCs use the same internal hardware, the only variable is the OS. Run some tests on software that runs on both platforms, such as anything from the Adobe CS suites. You will be amazed at the gap in performance. Now add in the gap in price, and it becomes nearly impossible to justify a Mac.
Furthermore, let's leave out the BS comments that a Mac "just works". 99.9% of a computer's stability comes from the person using it. The hardware is the same, so hardware failures are at an equal likelihood on both.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost Furthermore, let's leave out the BS comments that a Mac "just works". 99.9% of a computer's stability comes from the person using it. The hardware is the same, so hardware failures are at an equal likelihood on both.
mount -uw /
rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone
shutdown -h now
Because this a forum about Windows 7; I would like to give my openion. Windows 7 is GREAT.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear Because this a forum about Windows 7; I would like to give my openion. Windows 7 is GREAT.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot �� Quote: Originally Posted by Leopard This is a very rude post, and very inconsiderate. I am a Mac user, and I am very capable with technology.
If you happen to be one of the very small minority of MAC users who knows how to use single sign on mode and isn't afraid of the terminal.. more power to you ..and if you are truly very capable with technology, you would know the truth of my statement as you are not the kind of person the typical MACs is marketed towards in most recent mac advertisements
Mach, XNU, Carbon, Cocoa, IEEE 1394, Aqua, Finder, CUPS, Quartz, Quartz Extreme, Mail, iTunes, Safari, iMovie, iWeb, iPhoto, Garageband, XCode, Expose, FileVault, Preview, AppleScript.
It's not a proprietary layer over freeware. It's an entire proprietary desktop environment and API over a hybrid BSD/Mach/XNU kernel taken from BSD, Steve Jobs' NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP project, and Apple's own offerings, open-sourced in Darwin.
Microsoft is no Angel either. Their first OS was Q-DOS bought and re-branded.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot �� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost Furthermore, let's leave out the BS comments that a Mac "just works". 99.9% of a computer's stability comes from the person using it. The hardware is the same, so hardware failures are at an equal likelihood on both.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot Code:
mount -uw / rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone shutdown -h now
Code:
mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdX /mac cd /mac/var/db/ rm -f .AppleSetupDone shutdown -h now
Code:
fdisk -l
To be honest, I was hoping this forum didn't have so many fanboys like MacRumors or LinuxQuestions. Apparently not.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker �� Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear Because this a forum about Windows 7; I would like to give my openion. Windows 7 is GREAT.
Well actually I think THE greatest achievement in tech was the advent of the x86.
I'm not a fanboy of anything. I use Linux, Windows 7 and Mac OS X in a tri-boot scenario with rEFIt.
jeez,
Who the bleep cares about Mac's. The threader was asking about W7 and getting best game performance.
I'd have to say that this thread has attention defficet disorder. LOL
Who the bleep cares about Mac's. The threader was asking about W7 and getting best game performance.
I'd have to say that this thread has attention defficet disorder. LOL
�� Quote: Originally Posted by spyknee jeez,
Who the bleep cares about Mac's. The threader was asking about W7 and getting best game performance.
I'd have to say that this thread has attention defficet disorder. LOL
Who the bleep cares about Mac's. The threader was asking about W7 and getting best game performance.
I'd have to say that this thread has attention defficet disorder. LOL
�� Quote: Originally Posted by stormy13 
To the thread starter:
You be sure to try all the tweaks you find out there and to try all of the tweaker programs. Be sure at the same time to shoot yourself in the foot.
Use Win 7's DiskCleanup and CCleaner and quit right there.
You be sure to try all the tweaks you find out there and to try all of the tweaker programs. Be sure at the same time to shoot yourself in the foot.
Use Win 7's DiskCleanup and CCleaner and quit right there.
It just so happens that I got one of my test machines back from my lab today at work and I needed to proceed with a clean install of Windows 7 onto the machine. I wanted to get a real good look at how Windows 7 comes right out of the gate without the end user polluting the environment.
I installed Win7 64-bit Ultimate edition onto my test box at work. The box consists of an Asus P5QL-Pro mobo, Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 at 3.00ghz, 8GB of Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM, an EVGA 8600GT and a Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7,200RPM hard drive.
With a full install of Windows and the first reboot, my Windows 7 box was running 32 processes, and was consuming 10% of my physical memory. The total RAM was 8191, Cached was 845, Available was 7244 and Free was 6322. So, that comes out to less than 1GB of RAM being used.
My boot time breakdown is 25.6 seconds from power button press to "Starting Windows". From there, it's 19 seconds to the logon screen. So, my total time from power button press to logon is between 44.0 and 44.9 seconds over 5 tests. The time to power off said box is between 7.8 and 8.5 seconds.
The hard drive space used was 22,622,601,216 bytes. However, the hiberfil.sys file was 6,290,772KB and the pagefile.sys by default was 8,387,696KB. So, by eliminating the hiberfil.sys file (powercfg -h off), I dropped to 16,178,061,312. And if I turned off the pagefile (which I don't actually recommend), it dropped to 7,594,749,952.
So, as you can see...Windows 7 by itself is pretty lightweight. It's not until you start adding apps, and other garbage that the # of processes skyrockets and the amount of disk space dwindles.
I installed Win7 64-bit Ultimate edition onto my test box at work. The box consists of an Asus P5QL-Pro mobo, Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 at 3.00ghz, 8GB of Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM, an EVGA 8600GT and a Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7,200RPM hard drive.
With a full install of Windows and the first reboot, my Windows 7 box was running 32 processes, and was consuming 10% of my physical memory. The total RAM was 8191, Cached was 845, Available was 7244 and Free was 6322. So, that comes out to less than 1GB of RAM being used.
My boot time breakdown is 25.6 seconds from power button press to "Starting Windows". From there, it's 19 seconds to the logon screen. So, my total time from power button press to logon is between 44.0 and 44.9 seconds over 5 tests. The time to power off said box is between 7.8 and 8.5 seconds.
The hard drive space used was 22,622,601,216 bytes. However, the hiberfil.sys file was 6,290,772KB and the pagefile.sys by default was 8,387,696KB. So, by eliminating the hiberfil.sys file (powercfg -h off), I dropped to 16,178,061,312. And if I turned off the pagefile (which I don't actually recommend), it dropped to 7,594,749,952.
So, as you can see...Windows 7 by itself is pretty lightweight. It's not until you start adding apps, and other garbage that the # of processes skyrockets and the amount of disk space dwindles.
Measuring boot and shutdown times
How to use Event Viewer to view your Boot and Shutdown Performance
WIN key | type EVENTVWR.MSC | ENTER key
First wait for the Event Viewer to be populated-watch the Summary of Administrative Events section.
Now, using the left-hand pane tunnel down as follows:
Applications and services logs | Microsoft | Windows | Diagnostics-Performance | Operational
Right-click on Operational.
In the top-section of the middle pane, various events are listed.
Click on EventID to sort the events from smallest to largest.
EventID 100 is for Boot Performance.
EventID 200 is for Shutdown Performance
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BOOT AND SHUTDOWN PERFORMANCE
How to use Event Viewer to view your Boot and Shutdown Performance
WIN key | type EVENTVWR.MSC | ENTER key
First wait for the Event Viewer to be populated-watch the Summary of Administrative Events section.
Now, using the left-hand pane tunnel down as follows:
Applications and services logs | Microsoft | Windows | Diagnostics-Performance | Operational
Right-click on Operational.
In the top-section of the middle pane, various events are listed.
Click on EventID to sort the events from smallest to largest.
EventID 100 is for Boot Performance.
EventID 200 is for Shutdown Performance
It would appear that the threader was chased off.
If you did not want to help him, you should have not posted. Nay saying and bullying your negative view points serves no purpose.
If this forum is not to illuminate Windows 7 and the hardware its on, then its useless.
Process reduction is not tweaking, its going thru the house and turning off the light bulb in an unused room.
The tips I offered were tweaks, and they work great. So do not tell me I can not improve my Windows experience, I have.
If you did not want to help him, you should have not posted. Nay saying and bullying your negative view points serves no purpose.
If this forum is not to illuminate Windows 7 and the hardware its on, then its useless.
Process reduction is not tweaking, its going thru the house and turning off the light bulb in an unused room.
The tips I offered were tweaks, and they work great. So do not tell me I can not improve my Windows experience, I have.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by spyknee Process reduction is not tweaking, its going thru the house and turning off the light bulb in an unused room.
Whether this procedure is called a 'tweak' or not is a matter of semantics, but the result is the same and is something that anyone who wants to obtain an enhanced level of performance by reducing the needless and wasteful consumption of system resources in Win 7 should consider.
~Maxx~
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Despite arguments on either side, Windows 7 really does not NEED any (much) tweaking.
You CAN tweak it, absolutely. In the end, the amount of time saved by turning those features off (such as unnecessary services) is not huge.
This thread turned into multiple arguments, so I posting this as my opinion, and as (what I see) the general consensus of the thread.
Tweaking/slimming Windows 7 down is perfectly possible, but will not save you minutes, only seconds (on most computers)
~Lordbob
You CAN tweak it, absolutely. In the end, the amount of time saved by turning those features off (such as unnecessary services) is not huge.
This thread turned into multiple arguments, so I posting this as my opinion, and as (what I see) the general consensus of the thread.
Tweaking/slimming Windows 7 down is perfectly possible, but will not save you minutes, only seconds (on most computers)
~Lordbob
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 Tweaking/slimming Windows 7 down is perfectly possible, but will not save you minutes, only seconds (on most computers)~Lordbob
~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire �� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 Tweaking/slimming Windows 7 down is perfectly possible, but will not save you minutes, only seconds (on most computers)~Lordbob
~Maxx~
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~Lordbob
Yes, most computers being used today which have a less than State of the Art build quality and would benefit substantially from tweaking to reduce the wasteful use of precious system resources.
~Maxx~
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~Maxx~
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That's the main focus of my work.. making less than state of the art technology work with a state of the art operating system despite the industry's best efforts to make said technology prematurely obsolete, and I'm getting better at it every day.
I don't find that on any reasonable PC that Windows 7 has run slow. But I'm probably lucky that i don't run on any really ancient hardware.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot That's the main focus of my work.. making less than state of the art technology work with a state of the art operating system despite the industry's best efforts to make said technology prematurely obsolete, and I'm getting better at it every day.
~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire Yes, most computers being used today which have a less than State of the Art build quality and would benefit substantially from tweaking to reduce the wasteful use of precious system resources.
~Maxx~
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~Maxx~
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That is absolutely not what I meant. I said that MOST computers would NOT see a huge benefit. Maybe a few seconds at most, but not anything over a minute.
There are probably excepts to this, but in general there is not going to be a 30 second decrease in boot up time by disabling 15 services you don't actually use.
I will not deny that tweaking would have an effect.
I AM denying that it will "benefit substantially from tweaking to reduce the wasteful use of precious system resources"
Please do not twist my words.
~Lordbob
Oldest machine I have successfully installed windows 7 on and made fully functional so far is a dell dimension 2200 that shipped in 2002 with all of 128 MB of RAM, a 20GB HDD and a 1.4Ghz P4. I gave it the maximum memory upgrade (512 MB) and the biggest IDE HDD I could find, and it actually works.. slow as a dog for anything more cpu intense than browsing facebook while listening to music.. but still better than it ever ran in XP.. and will probably run forever if it's kept clean.
So.. yes there is a good reason to learn how to tweak windows 7.. if only to be able to flip the middle finger at all those a****** manufacturers who stop supporting their products 30 seconds after the warranty expires.. just so you'll have no choice but to buy another machine that will be prematurely obsolete
So.. yes there is a good reason to learn how to tweak windows 7.. if only to be able to flip the middle finger at all those a****** manufacturers who stop supporting their products 30 seconds after the warranty expires.. just so you'll have no choice but to buy another machine that will be prematurely obsolete
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot Oldest machine I have successfully installed windows 7 on and made fully functional so far is a dell dimension 2200 that shipped in 2002 with all of 128 MB of RAM, a 20GB HDD and a 1.4Ghz P4. I gave it the maximum memory upgrade (512 MB) and the biggest IDE HDD I could find, and it actually works.. slow as a dog for anything more cpu intense than browsing facebook while listening to music.. but still better than it ever ran in XP.. and will probably run forever if it's kept clean.
I think tweaking Windows 7 to barely run on something like this is simply a silly endeavor. A light weight linux distro would run circles around it and costs nothing.
Optimize Windows 7[2]=Performance Maintenance
Look at this tutorial.
What does it SAY!
I suppose you'll tell Brink he should not do what he does best. INFORM
Look at this tutorial.
What does it SAY!
I suppose you'll tell Brink he should not do what he does best. INFORM
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 But why spend hard earned money to purchase and install Windows 7 on an old piece of crap like this...when you could instead install something Ubuntu Linux, and be able to surf the web and startup and shutdown faster than you ever could with Windows on the same machine. Not to mention, you would be almost impervious to viruses, malware and spyware.
I think tweaking Windows 7 to barely run on something like this is simply a silly endeavor. A light weight linux distro would run circles around it and costs nothing.
I think tweaking Windows 7 to barely run on something like this is simply a silly endeavor. A light weight linux distro would run circles around it and costs nothing.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by spyknee Optimize Windows 7[2]=Performance Maintenance
Look at this tutorial.
What does it SAY!
I suppose you'll tell Brink he should not do what he does best. INFORM
Look at this tutorial.
What does it SAY!
I suppose you'll tell Brink he should not do what he does best. INFORM
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This is a list of suggestions that will help show you how to optimize Windows 7 by speeding up and improving its performance. You can pick and choose which ones you would like to do. If you do not notice a increase in performance or have a problem with the suggestion, then you can always go back and enable or undo the suggestion at the provided tutorial link for it..
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot The computer belongs to a disabled person on a fixed income who's been a regular for years and has resisted all suggestions to try Linux even when I showed him how quick it would make his machine.
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