Greeting all!,
I have a question regarding the install of Windows 7 Professional 64 bit. I've done this on one HDD successfully and due to conflicts with additional software I wish to reinstall Win7 on a completely new HDD (on the same machine). This way I can keep both programs separate also leaving me with an additional OS in case the other fails. I plan to use the BIOS to switch to the other drive (boot order) when I wish to use the other software on occassion.
I plan on backing up my files onto an external drive.
So my question is as such, can I load Win7 onto a separate drive and switch the drive of which to boot from to achieve my goal?
Glidercj
I have a question regarding the install of Windows 7 Professional 64 bit. I've done this on one HDD successfully and due to conflicts with additional software I wish to reinstall Win7 on a completely new HDD (on the same machine). This way I can keep both programs separate also leaving me with an additional OS in case the other fails. I plan to use the BIOS to switch to the other drive (boot order) when I wish to use the other software on occassion.
I plan on backing up my files onto an external drive.
So my question is as such, can I load Win7 onto a separate drive and switch the drive of which to boot from to achieve my goal?
Glidercj
I have a dual boot system with Win 764bit Home Edition on 2 HDs like you're describing. Works flawlessly. I use EasyBCD to manage my bootloader, it's a free download and very easy to use. I've created a partition on one of my drives for data storage and pointed both operating systems to store data in that partition. Also synced these data files to an external HD along with a backup of both operating systems.
It is always better with separate HD's to boot the OS's via the BIOS Boot order or one-time Boot menu key.
Set the preferred OS as first HD to boot, or boot the other using the key for Boot menu to choose it's HD:
Set the preferred OS as first HD to boot, or boot the other using the key for Boot menu to choose it's HD:
- Asus - F8
- HP/Compaq - Esc
- Sony - F2
- Acer - F2
- Gateway - F10
- eMachnes - F10
- Toshiba - F12
- Dell - F12
- IBM/Lenovo - the blue Thinkvantage button
I'm not getting any popularity prices with this, but I still feel it is an important thing to tell:
Please keep in mind that what you are planning to do is not allowed by Microsoft, it is very clearly against Windows 7 EULA. Please do not PM me telling I'm a PITA. I know it already 
Kari
Please keep in mind that what you are planning to do is not allowed by Microsoft, it is very clearly against Windows 7 EULA.
Quote:
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. One Copy per Computer. You may install one copy of the software on one computer. That computer is the "licensed computer."
a. One Copy per Computer. You may install one copy of the software on one computer. That computer is the "licensed computer."
Kari
Thanx for your replies!
Now I ponder the course and how to of this endeavor. Do I just insert the CD and boot up as a clean install and choose the appropriate drive of which to install the OS. Should I unplug the existing HDD and then reconnect it when I'm finished installing? I've haven't had time to do thorough research on the EasyBCD so until I do let's just concentrate on the install and selection of the drive.
If it's not too much trouble list the sequence of this process.
Kari, if you view this post again I just want you to know how I appreciate your concern.
Glidercj
Now I ponder the course and how to of this endeavor. Do I just insert the CD and boot up as a clean install and choose the appropriate drive of which to install the OS. Should I unplug the existing HDD and then reconnect it when I'm finished installing? I've haven't had time to do thorough research on the EasyBCD so until I do let's just concentrate on the install and selection of the drive.
If it's not too much trouble list the sequence of this process.
Kari, if you view this post again I just want you to know how I appreciate your concern.
Glidercj
Yes, unplug the other OS HD when you are installing. This keeps them independent booted via BIOS as explained.
You do not need to use EasyBCD which interlocks the HD's when you have OS's on separate HD's.
If you don't have separate Product Keys for each OS, you will have 120 days to decide which OS you want to keep: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-120-days.html
You do not need to use EasyBCD which interlocks the HD's when you have OS's on separate HD's.
If you don't have separate Product Keys for each OS, you will have 120 days to decide which OS you want to keep: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-120-days.html
Thanx Gregrocker!,
While on the subject of OS. I have a new copy of XP Home SP3 of which I was going to use until I saw Win 7 was about to be released. So I ordered the Win 7 only to find out it was an upgrade. I wanted the full version so I waited until Win 7 was out. So now I have XP SP3 with an unused version of Win7 upgrade. If I wish to install it this way I would have the License key for the upgrade version and wouldn't fall into the issue of expiration. Can I manually transfer the data I wish to keep/archieve onto my additional (storage) HDD's - internal and external while using different OS's?
Each OS will see all the components installed on the machine but through the functioning OS of choice? Correct?
Glidercj
While on the subject of OS. I have a new copy of XP Home SP3 of which I was going to use until I saw Win 7 was about to be released. So I ordered the Win 7 only to find out it was an upgrade. I wanted the full version so I waited until Win 7 was out. So now I have XP SP3 with an unused version of Win7 upgrade. If I wish to install it this way I would have the License key for the upgrade version and wouldn't fall into the issue of expiration. Can I manually transfer the data I wish to keep/archieve onto my additional (storage) HDD's - internal and external while using different OS's?
Each OS will see all the components installed on the machine but through the functioning OS of choice? Correct?
Glidercj
If you had XP you never needed to buy Win7 full version. You dont' even need the XP installed to qualify for Upgrade version - just have it on hand and not use it again while its the qualifying XP or Vista.
You can of course use a Data HD or partition to store your OS User files, sharing these files between the two OS's. Here's how to link to those User folders from each OS: User Folders - Change Default Location
A more practical usage of two Win7's is on separate machines. May I ask why you want to put two Win7's on one machine? Perhaps we can suggest alternatives.
You can of course use a Data HD or partition to store your OS User files, sharing these files between the two OS's. Here's how to link to those User folders from each OS: User Folders - Change Default Location
A more practical usage of two Win7's is on separate machines. May I ask why you want to put two Win7's on one machine? Perhaps we can suggest alternatives.
Here's the wrinkle!
I'm using two different video editting programs of which have conflicts (slight but bothersome) between them when installed on the same machine. It is a real nuisance when capturing video. I've contacted the manufacturer and they said the two programs do conflict in certain situations (not always) of which they have no answer for or fix. They recommended using one or the other (of course theirs) to resolve the issue. If there is any interruption (even for a picosecond) while capturing the video stops and the sound continues. Then I have to delete the recording and start all over from the beginning. Why would I want two programs - simple - both have features I like and wish to use when compiling the finished program/video. One program has a better editting format and the other has better cature features. Once I have the video in digital format it matters not where or how it's on my machine. Also after installing both programs weird things were happening to my computer. The floppy drive would activate trying read a disc that wasn't installed, IE would stop responding and windows explorer would freeze from time to time. I've since re-installed the OS and all of the software except the one video capture program. So far all is good and well regarding the system, working as advertised!
So I figured if I could run each program separately and store the video I could access it when I need it.
Glidercj
I'm using two different video editting programs of which have conflicts (slight but bothersome) between them when installed on the same machine. It is a real nuisance when capturing video. I've contacted the manufacturer and they said the two programs do conflict in certain situations (not always) of which they have no answer for or fix. They recommended using one or the other (of course theirs) to resolve the issue. If there is any interruption (even for a picosecond) while capturing the video stops and the sound continues. Then I have to delete the recording and start all over from the beginning. Why would I want two programs - simple - both have features I like and wish to use when compiling the finished program/video. One program has a better editting format and the other has better cature features. Once I have the video in digital format it matters not where or how it's on my machine. Also after installing both programs weird things were happening to my computer. The floppy drive would activate trying read a disc that wasn't installed, IE would stop responding and windows explorer would freeze from time to time. I've since re-installed the OS and all of the software except the one video capture program. So far all is good and well regarding the system, working as advertised!
So I figured if I could run each program separately and store the video I could access it when I need it.
Glidercj
Try turning off all programs in the msconfig>Startup list which absolutely do not have to start up with Windows - AV and gadgets is all I use. Startup Programs - Change
All others are freeloaders on your startup time, RAM and CPU, and can spy on you.
It also gives them the ability to conflict more with other programs if they are running all the time in the background.
If they need to update themselves, they'll let you know when you use them. They don't need to hold a phone line open to home.
All others are freeloaders on your startup time, RAM and CPU, and can spy on you.
It also gives them the ability to conflict more with other programs if they are running all the time in the background.
If they need to update themselves, they'll let you know when you use them. They don't need to hold a phone line open to home.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Glidercj 
Thanx Gregrocker!,
While on the subject of OS. I have a new copy of XP Home SP3 of which I was going to use until I saw Win 7 was about to be released. So I ordered the Win 7 only to find out it was an upgrade. I wanted the full version so I waited until Win 7 was out. So now I have XP SP3 with an unused version of Win7 upgrade. If I wish to install it this way I would have the License key for the upgrade version and wouldn't fall into the issue of expiration. Can I manually transfer the data I wish to keep/archieve onto my additional (storage) HDD's - internal and external while using different OS's?
Each OS will see all the components installed on the machine but through the functioning OS of choice? Correct?
Glidercj
While on the subject of OS. I have a new copy of XP Home SP3 of which I was going to use until I saw Win 7 was about to be released. So I ordered the Win 7 only to find out it was an upgrade. I wanted the full version so I waited until Win 7 was out. So now I have XP SP3 with an unused version of Win7 upgrade. If I wish to install it this way I would have the License key for the upgrade version and wouldn't fall into the issue of expiration. Can I manually transfer the data I wish to keep/archieve onto my additional (storage) HDD's - internal and external while using different OS's?
Each OS will see all the components installed on the machine but through the functioning OS of choice? Correct?
Glidercj
The only way that I could forsee them conflicting is because some portion of both are running in the background. If you stop this activity, it is possible you will remedy the problem.
And,, the quote above is an extreme gray area.
Because, even though MS allows a full install using the Upgrade media, this is not entirely legal, however, they also don't seem to care (yet).
With that said, Because you have Upgrade media, if you are ok with running XP under one side and Windows 7 on the other, it would be possible to use your Win 7 Upgrade to install a full version of Windows 7 as well.
But, legally, if you install Win 7 Upgrade, you are technically not allowed to use Win XP any longer.
Again, that is an extremely gray area, which does not appear that MS actually care about.
Reason? XP is out and 7 is in. Eventually, XP will be the dinosaur (that some will continue to use like 98SE is still used, but should not be).
Anyway. Just some thoughts.
Okay I'll try this, I just hope it works. I'd hate to have to load all this stuff again.
Since you sound well versed in this OS let me ask one more question.
After I formated my "C" drive with the installation disc upon re-installation of 7 the software would not allow me to install the OS on that drive. I wanted to make sure the HD was clean and free of any corruption. I had to select another drive in order to complete the install.
I was reading a thread in a different area (of which I can longer locate)and it spoke of a similar situation where a gentleman could not do likewise. The article meantioned that there might be a loss of the sata drivers, and or other components missing from the HD? Does this sound correct. I thought this stuff was contained on the MoBo.
Glidercj
Since you sound well versed in this OS let me ask one more question.
After I formated my "C" drive with the installation disc upon re-installation of 7 the software would not allow me to install the OS on that drive. I wanted to make sure the HD was clean and free of any corruption. I had to select another drive in order to complete the install.
I was reading a thread in a different area (of which I can longer locate)and it spoke of a similar situation where a gentleman could not do likewise. The article meantioned that there might be a loss of the sata drivers, and or other components missing from the HD? Does this sound correct. I thought this stuff was contained on the MoBo.
Glidercj
Greg - Tepid,
Thanx for the input regarding the start up! So I can remove/uncheck everything in start up except my AV and I do like the gadgets so I'll leave that alone. I do use a firewall (Zonealarm free) so I won't touch that either but everything else can go?
Glidercj
Thanx for the input regarding the start up! So I can remove/uncheck everything in start up except my AV and I do like the gadgets so I'll leave that alone. I do use a firewall (Zonealarm free) so I won't touch that either but everything else can go?
Glidercj
Well, I will not air my own reservations of any 3rd party Firewall, other than they are mostly a waste of space.
But yes, Then you can go into Services and check the box at the bottom to Hide all Microsoft Services
Then if you want, post what is listed, if those apps are listed there that you are trying to use,, uncheck them there also,, they should not need services running either.
As for the drivers,, yes, you may need to have the drivers located on a usb drive or something to be able to have access to them during the install. Windows will not have all Sata drivers, so, if they are needed, you will need to provide them.
But yes, Then you can go into Services and check the box at the bottom to Hide all Microsoft Services
Then if you want, post what is listed, if those apps are listed there that you are trying to use,, uncheck them there also,, they should not need services running either.
As for the drivers,, yes, you may need to have the drivers located on a usb drive or something to be able to have access to them during the install. Windows will not have all Sata drivers, so, if they are needed, you will need to provide them.
I would also not use ZoneAlarm when the Win7 firewall works perfectly with a lightweight, free and nearly invisible AV like MS Security Essentials or Avast 5.
Startup Programs - Change
I do not understand your question about the install failing to install upon the partition you created. If you used the installer to create your partitioning, then it issued a 100mb System Reserved partition which it will not allow you to install upon because it is too small and used for booting only. Is this what happened? What is the drive letter for your Win7 install? Post back a screenshot of your Disk Mgmt drive map if you are concerned - use Snipping Tool in Start Menu.
If you were concerned about corrupt or infected code, formatting doesn't do anything to overwrite ANY code, just the partition table. You need to wipe the HD to overwrite possibly infected or corrupt code: SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation
Startup Programs - Change
I do not understand your question about the install failing to install upon the partition you created. If you used the installer to create your partitioning, then it issued a 100mb System Reserved partition which it will not allow you to install upon because it is too small and used for booting only. Is this what happened? What is the drive letter for your Win7 install? Post back a screenshot of your Disk Mgmt drive map if you are concerned - use Snipping Tool in Start Menu.
If you were concerned about corrupt or infected code, formatting doesn't do anything to overwrite ANY code, just the partition table. You need to wipe the HD to overwrite possibly infected or corrupt code: SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation
Yes I use Free Avast (latest not sure if it's "5"). So I'll unistall the ZA firewall. The ZA win 7 version (free is a real pain anyway it keeps asking to upgrade) and enable the Win 7 firewall.
If I get a chance Friday I'll copy the contents and post the services list. I think you meant to "uncheck not check hide all MS Services? "(Then you can go into Services and check the box at the bottom to Hide all Microsoft Services. Then if you want, post what is listed, if those apps are listed there that you are trying to use,, uncheck them there also,, they should not need services running either.)"
The HD in question is a Seagate 500GB Barracuda, so I would have to go to the Seagte site and download the drives - drivers?
If I get a chance Friday I'll copy the contents and post the services list. I think you meant to "uncheck not check hide all MS Services? "(Then you can go into Services and check the box at the bottom to Hide all Microsoft Services. Then if you want, post what is listed, if those apps are listed there that you are trying to use,, uncheck them there also,, they should not need services running either.)"
The HD in question is a Seagate 500GB Barracuda, so I would have to go to the Seagte site and download the drives - drivers?
There are no drivers on Seagate site, just firmware which rarely applies except in older drives. The driver in question is the chipset's SATA controller driver, which are almost all provided by the Win7 installer. If your HD is not shown during install, only then will you need to insert the SATA driver.
The steps are in the Change Startup Programs tutorial I've posted twice now.
The steps are in the Change Startup Programs tutorial I've posted twice now.
Greg,
I did remove some files from the start up but I was running out of time. Yesterday I was coming off night shift and had to return today on day shift, not much time off yesterday.
I'm going to enter through "msconfig and view the start up list from there. I'm more familiar with format.
As for the drive issue, I can see and access the drive, seems to work just fine. This issue took place only during the re-install period. Since I don't remember exactly what it said during the install I can't tell you anymore than I have. I believe it is in Disc mgr (where one can partiton the drive) it states the drive is healthy. Also I don't have any data on the drive that I can't relocate or delete. What else can I do besides running scan disk to re-affirm the integraty of the drive and or look and fix any issue with it, if any?
This question isn't important so if you don't know off the top of your head please disregard. After uninstalling ZA Windows firewall took over immediately - that all fine and well. There will be a learning curve working with it as I have viewed the program. During which time I looked for an option to "stop all internet activity" like the option ZA had. Does Windows FW have this option? I used this on ZA when I was working on the computer but not online just as an added measure of security. This feature was to create an effect as being disconnected from the internet.
This one here I'm going to contact Epson regarding an issue with faxing from the computer through my new printer, Epson 835 Artisian. When I attempt to fax using the printer mode and selecting the Epson printer (fax) I get a message "can't find open port" when hitting the send button, yet I can print a word doc just fine. The unit's trouble shooting software checks and says all is connected and is in working order.
I tried to fax using the manual mode (bypassing the computer) and that works great. At one time it instructed me to reload the driver and I did but same issue pops up.
Once I have this straightened out I will proceed to loading my remaining video software and see if the is any issues with that.
Once again Greg, thanx for your time!
Glidercj
I did remove some files from the start up but I was running out of time. Yesterday I was coming off night shift and had to return today on day shift, not much time off yesterday.
I'm going to enter through "msconfig and view the start up list from there. I'm more familiar with format.
As for the drive issue, I can see and access the drive, seems to work just fine. This issue took place only during the re-install period. Since I don't remember exactly what it said during the install I can't tell you anymore than I have. I believe it is in Disc mgr (where one can partiton the drive) it states the drive is healthy. Also I don't have any data on the drive that I can't relocate or delete. What else can I do besides running scan disk to re-affirm the integraty of the drive and or look and fix any issue with it, if any?
This question isn't important so if you don't know off the top of your head please disregard. After uninstalling ZA Windows firewall took over immediately - that all fine and well. There will be a learning curve working with it as I have viewed the program. During which time I looked for an option to "stop all internet activity" like the option ZA had. Does Windows FW have this option? I used this on ZA when I was working on the computer but not online just as an added measure of security. This feature was to create an effect as being disconnected from the internet.
This one here I'm going to contact Epson regarding an issue with faxing from the computer through my new printer, Epson 835 Artisian. When I attempt to fax using the printer mode and selecting the Epson printer (fax) I get a message "can't find open port" when hitting the send button, yet I can print a word doc just fine. The unit's trouble shooting software checks and says all is connected and is in working order.
I tried to fax using the manual mode (bypassing the computer) and that works great. At one time it instructed me to reload the driver and I did but same issue pops up.
Once I have this straightened out I will proceed to loading my remaining video software and see if the is any issues with that.
Once again Greg, thanx for your time!
Glidercj
There is no need to disconnect from internet manually or using firewall that I am aware of.
I would check the Epson website to make sure you have installed the latest Win7 software for your all-in-one, as this is needed (more than just the driver supplied by Win7) for the auxilliary functions - although some will work from the rightclick context menu when you click on the unit in Devices and Printers.
I would run the HD maker's diag/repair full CD scan on your HD, followed by Disk Check
Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp.
I would check the Epson website to make sure you have installed the latest Win7 software for your all-in-one, as this is needed (more than just the driver supplied by Win7) for the auxilliary functions - although some will work from the rightclick context menu when you click on the unit in Devices and Printers.
I would run the HD maker's diag/repair full CD scan on your HD, followed by Disk Check
Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp.
Thanx Greg I will look into this tonight.
Glidercj
Glidercj
Greg,
I didn't have time last night to address the HDD will attemp tonight. I did go to the msconfig/start up and unchecked almost everything. If it looked like it pertained to the main operation of the system I left it alone. I don't remember seeing anything for the gadgets however they still work.
The one issue I have is the idle time during the reboot, it seemed like it was taking too long to shut down (is this normal - it didn't take this long on XP) so I held in the start button to shut it down. I mean we are talking 10 minutes it stated it was shutting down, looked like it was hung up. When I restarted the computer it went into safe mode due to unexpected/improper shutdown.
If I'm correct it should have just rebooted yes/no???
Also I contacted the Espon Tech Support - they instructed my to check the fax port and compare it with the printer port, they were different. I checked the same for the fax as it was for the printer and off it went. For some reason when it installed it selected LPT1 instead fo the USB002 port (I have another printer hooled up which is USB001). I tested the fax option and it works great!
I want to make sure all is operating as advertised before installing the other video editting software.
Thanx again for you time!
Glidercj
I didn't have time last night to address the HDD will attemp tonight. I did go to the msconfig/start up and unchecked almost everything. If it looked like it pertained to the main operation of the system I left it alone. I don't remember seeing anything for the gadgets however they still work.
The one issue I have is the idle time during the reboot, it seemed like it was taking too long to shut down (is this normal - it didn't take this long on XP) so I held in the start button to shut it down. I mean we are talking 10 minutes it stated it was shutting down, looked like it was hung up. When I restarted the computer it went into safe mode due to unexpected/improper shutdown.
If I'm correct it should have just rebooted yes/no???
Also I contacted the Espon Tech Support - they instructed my to check the fax port and compare it with the printer port, they were different. I checked the same for the fax as it was for the printer and off it went. For some reason when it installed it selected LPT1 instead fo the USB002 port (I have another printer hooled up which is USB001). I tested the fax option and it works great!
I want to make sure all is operating as advertised before installing the other video editting software.
Thanx again for you time!
Glidercj
When exactly did the shutdown hang start? Can you System Restore before that?
Check the Performance log to see what is hanging the shutdown: access Advanced Tools by clicking your WEI score link at Computer>Properties. Look for cued issues at top of Tools page, Generate A System Health Report.
Type "solutions" in Start Search Box to see if any have been sent for problems reported or not.
Trace Windows 7 boot/shutdown/hibernate/standby/resume issues - MSFN
To see what exactly the remaining msconfig>Startup choices are, place your cursor on the File listing and hypertext popup will let you know what it is, or google to find out. If you get no hypertext then stretch the File category margins wider above until the full listing shows. (I just checked mine and RealPlayer which i installed to play one video has snuck back in even though I have turned it off in its Preferences and unchecked repeatedly, confirming it as the all-time most persistent spyware - Binned and Banned!)
Check the Performance log to see what is hanging the shutdown: access Advanced Tools by clicking your WEI score link at Computer>Properties. Look for cued issues at top of Tools page, Generate A System Health Report.
Type "solutions" in Start Search Box to see if any have been sent for problems reported or not.
Trace Windows 7 boot/shutdown/hibernate/standby/resume issues - MSFN
To see what exactly the remaining msconfig>Startup choices are, place your cursor on the File listing and hypertext popup will let you know what it is, or google to find out. If you get no hypertext then stretch the File category margins wider above until the full listing shows. (I just checked mine and RealPlayer which i installed to play one video has snuck back in even though I have turned it off in its Preferences and unchecked repeatedly, confirming it as the all-time most persistent spyware - Binned and Banned!)
Greg,
Right after I changed the msconfig/start up list, it asks if you want to restart now or later. I always click now. The system logged off okay but sat there during the shut down portion.
I thought about the restore but felt it would return those settings after I unchecked them.
Right after I changed the msconfig/start up list, it asks if you want to restart now or later. I always click now. The system logged off okay but sat there during the shut down portion.
I thought about the restore but felt it would return those settings after I unchecked them.
It would return them after doing a restore, if it would not shut down after unchecking alot in msconfig then you unchecked something it needed. The only thing you want to uncheck in there is installed prog's that you can start manually. Anything that has to do with system, Windows, video, sound you can not uncheck. Right now follow Gregrockers advice and then a repair install will leave all your prog's intact
Nice cat 1bowtie, after the safe mode operation I rebooted the system again and it tool a few minutes to shut down but did so sucessfully. I then shut down and restarted again and all appeared good.
I'm going to follow through with greg's recommendations tonight when I get home from work. You have meantioned performing a repair install - I take that as meaning a process using the Win7 disc, correct?
I'm going to follow through with greg's recommendations tonight when I get home from work. You have meantioned performing a repair install - I take that as meaning a process using the Win7 disc, correct?
All System processes and services are hidden from msconfig>Startup in Win7. I have only found AV and gadgets need protecting. Any sound or video listings are only needed if you use special controls for sound or video.
If you are saying that your shutdown hang happened after unchecking startup items (not processes) in msconfig, then I would definitely system restore to before this was done to see if the hang repeats. If not, google each startup item and uncheck them only after knowing fully what they are and do. If you do a couple at a time this way, you'll find which one is causing the shutdown hang.
If System Restore does not reverse the changes, then do the opposite: google each item to see what it does and add them back if they seem important to see which overcomes the hang.
Was there anything else that was done that might have caused the shutdown hang, as this is the first time such a hang has been reported from disabling startup items in msconfig after our advice.
If you are saying that your shutdown hang happened after unchecking startup items (not processes) in msconfig, then I would definitely system restore to before this was done to see if the hang repeats. If not, google each startup item and uncheck them only after knowing fully what they are and do. If you do a couple at a time this way, you'll find which one is causing the shutdown hang.
If System Restore does not reverse the changes, then do the opposite: google each item to see what it does and add them back if they seem important to see which overcomes the hang.
Was there anything else that was done that might have caused the shutdown hang, as this is the first time such a hang has been reported from disabling startup items in msconfig after our advice.
Greg,
1. Corrected Printer/Fax issue with Epson Artisan 835 Printer - changed out port from LPT1 to USB002. Resolved problem.
2. Used "msconfig" to access "start up" menu -unchecked only items that did not have any referrence to 7 (I think there were three regarding 7). All other appeared to be program start up services.
Then I clicked on save and the restart instruction appeared - I clicked on that and then the system started to log off (which was good) then shut down - there's where it began to hang up.
Note: There was one other time the system appeared to hang up. That was during the reinstall. once I pick the alternate drive the install took off - got all the way to the end where it downloaded the update files. The files up loaded and then download to the system and then Win7 began its shut down to install everything. This is where it hung up the first time. After 20 -25 minutes I hit the start button to shut it down. When the system was rebooted it reloaded the updates finished and rebooted again and ever since the system functioned normal (to my knowledge). Up until last night with the start up change.
That's it, you now have the step by step procedure.
Glidercj
1. Corrected Printer/Fax issue with Epson Artisan 835 Printer - changed out port from LPT1 to USB002. Resolved problem.
2. Used "msconfig" to access "start up" menu -unchecked only items that did not have any referrence to 7 (I think there were three regarding 7). All other appeared to be program start up services.
Then I clicked on save and the restart instruction appeared - I clicked on that and then the system started to log off (which was good) then shut down - there's where it began to hang up.
Note: There was one other time the system appeared to hang up. That was during the reinstall. once I pick the alternate drive the install took off - got all the way to the end where it downloaded the update files. The files up loaded and then download to the system and then Win7 began its shut down to install everything. This is where it hung up the first time. After 20 -25 minutes I hit the start button to shut it down. When the system was rebooted it reloaded the updates finished and rebooted again and ever since the system functioned normal (to my knowledge). Up until last night with the start up change.
That's it, you now have the step by step procedure.
Glidercj
Greetings Gents,
Here's the progress so far and it's not good. First off I followed the instruction - "access Advanced Tools by clicking your WEI score link at Computer>Properties. Look for cued issues at top of Tools page, Generate A System Health Report. "
The report showed a bunch red ball "X's" and warnings. The red x pertained to the shutdown.
Then I Generated a report and the catagories all said good.
I noticed when I booted up (I'll call it the bios screen) it showed the memory timing and then the hard drive and usually it shows both CD/DVD drives, this time it only showed one. The it took forever to search for those items before advancing the boot progress.
Once past that portion the windows screen illiuminated where the mircosoft colored window logo shows up. The four colors usually spin around until they stop and form the four quarters of the windows logo. The colors stop with only two of the four until finally the process continues, then all four appeared and my desktop is displayed.
Also while attemping to work my through the health report area I clicked on a file and it opened IE. Once there IE froze and would not allow me to close it "IE is not responding and will close" but it never did nor could I get it to. I tried "Ctrl, Alt Delete" to no end. Finally I had to reboot to get rid of IE.
At this point I elected to option the "restore point" and did so, even that appeared to take longer to complete. Everything was back to it's original settings even the selection of LPT1 for the Epson printer fax mode, Zone alarm was also there on the desk top. I then went to the msconfig /start up to see what was there and everything was "rechecked".
Now it appears the machine shuts down okay but takes forever to boot up and doesn't see all of the hardware,i.e., dvd drive.
I ran out of time last night (this took forever) but wanted to try the repair install, since 3am comes quick and it was already 10ish I had to quit for the night.
I looked up the procedure for this repair install and it seems to be straight foreward.
I feel it's my only option at this point, between the long start up and IE freezing and who knows what else we will find.
What do you think?
Note: When viewing start up (msconfig) I think I unchecked "eeventviewer log?" Not sure but think I did.
Glidercj
Here's the progress so far and it's not good. First off I followed the instruction - "access Advanced Tools by clicking your WEI score link at Computer>Properties. Look for cued issues at top of Tools page, Generate A System Health Report. "
The report showed a bunch red ball "X's" and warnings. The red x pertained to the shutdown.
Then I Generated a report and the catagories all said good.
I noticed when I booted up (I'll call it the bios screen) it showed the memory timing and then the hard drive and usually it shows both CD/DVD drives, this time it only showed one. The it took forever to search for those items before advancing the boot progress.
Once past that portion the windows screen illiuminated where the mircosoft colored window logo shows up. The four colors usually spin around until they stop and form the four quarters of the windows logo. The colors stop with only two of the four until finally the process continues, then all four appeared and my desktop is displayed.
Also while attemping to work my through the health report area I clicked on a file and it opened IE. Once there IE froze and would not allow me to close it "IE is not responding and will close" but it never did nor could I get it to. I tried "Ctrl, Alt Delete" to no end. Finally I had to reboot to get rid of IE.
At this point I elected to option the "restore point" and did so, even that appeared to take longer to complete. Everything was back to it's original settings even the selection of LPT1 for the Epson printer fax mode, Zone alarm was also there on the desk top. I then went to the msconfig /start up to see what was there and everything was "rechecked".
Now it appears the machine shuts down okay but takes forever to boot up and doesn't see all of the hardware,i.e., dvd drive.
I ran out of time last night (this took forever) but wanted to try the repair install, since 3am comes quick and it was already 10ish I had to quit for the night.
I looked up the procedure for this repair install and it seems to be straight foreward.
I feel it's my only option at this point, between the long start up and IE freezing and who knows what else we will find.
What do you think?
Note: When viewing start up (msconfig) I think I unchecked "eeventviewer log?" Not sure but think I did.
Glidercj
Hi Glidercj
I think your on the right track doing a repair install, be sure to unplug any extra hdd's in system before you start that could be causeing some of your problems with startup and shut down. When done with the repair install do a couple restarts before hooking up your other drives. Good luck and if you need further assistance just ask
I think your on the right track doing a repair install, be sure to unplug any extra hdd's in system before you start that could be causeing some of your problems with startup and shut down. When done with the repair install do a couple restarts before hooking up your other drives. Good luck and if you need further assistance just ask
Let us know how it works.
You can also go back further with the restore points to try to get before the hang.
Did you study the Performance log as specified to see what app or driver was hanging the shutdown? Check also the Event Viewer>Custom>Admin to google repeat errors to see if a cause is revealed.
If ZoneAlarm wasn't uninstalled using Revo, it may have left services or reg keys which are hanging.
If the Repair Install doesn't help then you may need a Clean Reinstall after wiping the HD to overwrite any infected or corrupt code. Here are some tips on how to get a perfect reinstall: re-install windows 7
You can also go back further with the restore points to try to get before the hang.
Did you study the Performance log as specified to see what app or driver was hanging the shutdown? Check also the Event Viewer>Custom>Admin to google repeat errors to see if a cause is revealed.
If ZoneAlarm wasn't uninstalled using Revo, it may have left services or reg keys which are hanging.
If the Repair Install doesn't help then you may need a Clean Reinstall after wiping the HD to overwrite any infected or corrupt code. Here are some tips on how to get a perfect reinstall: re-install windows 7
Greeting 1Bowtie,
Actually I do have another question, and thanx for the tip regarding unplugging the other drives.
Do I need to do a scandisc, Fdisk or any other check prior to the repair install? Also, if one of the other drives are creating havoc what can I do to repair/fix/correct that drive. The reason for this question is (going way back in the thread) when I reinstalled Win7 I formated my original "C" drive prior to reinstalling. Then when I actually did the install Windows would not allow me to install on that drive. I don't remember what the pop up said. I chose another HD and off it went. Would you have any idea as to what could prevent me from installing on the same drive? Also now that I'm on that subject when I did the reinstall on the current drive and 7 did it's up dates the upload to my computer and the download onto my computer went as planned, however during the auto restart the process hung up - all that was going on was that little "O" kept spinning. Not wanting to interrupt the process I let it go and went to sleep. When I go up and checked (4hrs later) it was still spinning. I hit the start button until the computer shut down and rebooted. Windows then finisshed what it was doing and completed the install. Now, I do have a brandyspankinnew 1tb drive that I was going to use to fill in the last docking bay and SATA connection on the MoBo. Should I just install that one and disconnect the other drives which would eliminate any possible problem created by the other drives?
If that's a good theory I'll still need to know what to do with the remaining drives and how to check them for problems.
Thanx,
Glidercj
Actually I do have another question, and thanx for the tip regarding unplugging the other drives.
Do I need to do a scandisc, Fdisk or any other check prior to the repair install? Also, if one of the other drives are creating havoc what can I do to repair/fix/correct that drive. The reason for this question is (going way back in the thread) when I reinstalled Win7 I formated my original "C" drive prior to reinstalling. Then when I actually did the install Windows would not allow me to install on that drive. I don't remember what the pop up said. I chose another HD and off it went. Would you have any idea as to what could prevent me from installing on the same drive? Also now that I'm on that subject when I did the reinstall on the current drive and 7 did it's up dates the upload to my computer and the download onto my computer went as planned, however during the auto restart the process hung up - all that was going on was that little "O" kept spinning. Not wanting to interrupt the process I let it go and went to sleep. When I go up and checked (4hrs later) it was still spinning. I hit the start button until the computer shut down and rebooted. Windows then finisshed what it was doing and completed the install. Now, I do have a brandyspankinnew 1tb drive that I was going to use to fill in the last docking bay and SATA connection on the MoBo. Should I just install that one and disconnect the other drives which would eliminate any possible problem created by the other drives?
If that's a good theory I'll still need to know what to do with the remaining drives and how to check them for problems.
Thanx,
Glidercj
At reinstall I always wipe the HD after testing it using maker's diag/repair full CD scan Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp. and then Disk Check from the DVD Command Line.
SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation
I think your plan to clean install to the new HD is best. Here are some tips to get a perfect install: re-install windows 7
SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation
I think your plan to clean install to the new HD is best. Here are some tips to get a perfect install: re-install windows 7
Greg,
I didn't use Revo nor do I know what it is. I just used the add/remove programs function of windows.
Also I'm not that versed in reading those logs. If I'm told what to look fro I usually can get through it.
Glidercj
I didn't use Revo nor do I know what it is. I just used the add/remove programs function of windows.
Also I'm not that versed in reading those logs. If I'm told what to look fro I usually can get through it.
Glidercj
Revo in Advanced mode will find all the leftover registry keys and files after uninstall.
Studying the Admin and Performance logs to google repeat errors text and ID# is how we learn to troubleshoot.
Your best approach now is to plug only your new HD, boot Win7 DVD, use Custom> Drive Options to partition it as you like, then format and install to first partition after the 100mb assigned by installer.
Follow my tips on getting a perfect install: re-install windows 7
Studying the Admin and Performance logs to google repeat errors text and ID# is how we learn to troubleshoot.
Your best approach now is to plug only your new HD, boot Win7 DVD, use Custom> Drive Options to partition it as you like, then format and install to first partition after the 100mb assigned by installer.
Follow my tips on getting a perfect install: re-install windows 7
Greg,
Will do! It would appear that 7 is a lot different than XP regarding the install and set up. As soon as I get this back up running I will make the image back up. Also I want to learn more on the troubleshooting side using Google.
So Revo is part of Win 7?
Glidercj
Will do! It would appear that 7 is a lot different than XP regarding the install and set up. As soon as I get this back up running I will make the image back up. Also I want to learn more on the troubleshooting side using Google.
So Revo is part of Win 7?
Glidercj
I agree with Greg, clean install to the new drive, after it's up and running do your updates, critical first then look at the optional. There are probably going to be 40 to 60 updates so don't be surprised, also along those lines you may want to do 10 at a time. After all is well then put in one of the other drives, useing disk mgmt format, assign drive letter so its not unallocated space, then do the next drive the same way, you will then have a clean system to work with
Last time it automatically did the updates a pile of them at one time. So I should to not let it install the updates until after the OS installation, then go to windows update manually and choose the ones to install? Should I reboot after installing the 10 updates, then install another and reboot etc, etc???
As for the existing drives I have files on them, only the new one is empty.
Should I (if I can move these to my external drive and then) use Greg's procedure; "At reinstall I always wipe the HD after testing it using maker's diag/repair full CD scan Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp. and then Disk Check from the DVD Command Line.
SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation
I think your plan to clean install to the new HD is best. Here are some tips to get a perfect install: re-install windows 7 "
Won't the system assign drive letters when I reboot with the reinstalled drives? Also when I reinstall the HD that has the old OS on it will that affect anything/ Just test and wipe?
I would imagine when Greg says wipe after testing it he means format?
Glidercj
As for the existing drives I have files on them, only the new one is empty.
Should I (if I can move these to my external drive and then) use Greg's procedure; "At reinstall I always wipe the HD after testing it using maker's diag/repair full CD scan Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities (Storage) - TACKtech Corp. and then Disk Check from the DVD Command Line.
SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation
I think your plan to clean install to the new HD is best. Here are some tips to get a perfect install: re-install windows 7 "
Won't the system assign drive letters when I reboot with the reinstalled drives? Also when I reinstall the HD that has the old OS on it will that affect anything/ Just test and wipe?
I would imagine when Greg says wipe after testing it he means format?
Glidercj
Now would be a good time to get the file you need and move them to an external is fine. The main thing is you want to put clean files back on the new drive. I have Windows Update dl the updates but not install them, that way you can look at them and only install the one's you want, Critical you need, optional you may or maynot want all of them, i usually put them in after seeing what they are. Yes the system will assign C: but you may want a partition D:, your second drive E: etc, after your hdd's then you assign your dvd drive a letter etc. Hope all this helps, now get to work (just kidding)
The tutorial SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation shows you how to wipe your HD. Formatting doesn't remove anything or even overwrite bad, infected or corrupt code which is still there on the HD. To Wipe HD use Diskpart "Clean All" command to overwrite everything with zeroes. It is the cleanest install you can get.
I was referring to your old HD when I suggested testing it with HD maker's diag/repair CD scan, followed by Disk Check. You wouldn't need to do that on a new HD unless there were symptoms.
On Windows Updates, I have had no problems selecting all of the Recommended and Optional Updates as a batch to install, however you can install them in smaller groups if you have been having problems with your particular machine's reaction to Updates before. I always go first to the Optional Updates to see what drivers are updated from the ones in the installer since it is more than a year old now. Those drivers are important.
If you have any other confusion on getting a perfect install, ask back.
I was referring to your old HD when I suggested testing it with HD maker's diag/repair CD scan, followed by Disk Check. You wouldn't need to do that on a new HD unless there were symptoms.
On Windows Updates, I have had no problems selecting all of the Recommended and Optional Updates as a batch to install, however you can install them in smaller groups if you have been having problems with your particular machine's reaction to Updates before. I always go first to the Optional Updates to see what drivers are updated from the ones in the installer since it is more than a year old now. Those drivers are important.
If you have any other confusion on getting a perfect install, ask back.
It's time to hit the bricks! I will follow your recommendations to the "T", so much to do and so little time,
Thanx again
Glidercj
Thanx again
Glidercj
We're here to help if you need us.
Greg,
I have a few questions regarding the installation and image backup, etc..
First your comment regarding the update - "On Windows Updates, I have had no problems selecting all of the Recommended and Optional Updates as a batch to install, however you can install them in smaller groups if you have been having problems with your particular machine's reaction to Updates before. I always go first to the Optional Updates to see what drivers are updated from the ones in the installer since it is more than a year old now. Those drivers are important."
My question - How do I control the up and downloading of these updates after 7 is installed. How do I view these so I know which ones to install?
Second question regarding Image backup - Once I've created the image backup (hopefully I won't need to) impliment this feature/program/utility (which ever name applies) if needed? Also is it better to create a disc or use the HD?
Third question regarding program start ups - When I begin downloading my software how to address the start up issue and avoid having the program load itself to to the start up list?
Glidercj
I have a few questions regarding the installation and image backup, etc..
First your comment regarding the update - "On Windows Updates, I have had no problems selecting all of the Recommended and Optional Updates as a batch to install, however you can install them in smaller groups if you have been having problems with your particular machine's reaction to Updates before. I always go first to the Optional Updates to see what drivers are updated from the ones in the installer since it is more than a year old now. Those drivers are important."
My question - How do I control the up and downloading of these updates after 7 is installed. How do I view these so I know which ones to install?
Second question regarding Image backup - Once I've created the image backup (hopefully I won't need to) impliment this feature/program/utility (which ever name applies) if needed? Also is it better to create a disc or use the HD?
Third question regarding program start ups - When I begin downloading my software how to address the start up issue and avoid having the program load itself to to the start up list?
Glidercj
Morning Glidercj
In control panel/Windows update/ left column/ change settings i have the first 3 boxes checked/ and you can set how often and what time to check for updates
Next Q backups should be put on a different drive just in case your os drive crashes, when you get the comp up and running the way you want we can discuss the value of keeping a current image
Next Q program startups are a matter of preferrence, it doesn't hurt to uncheck them at startup because there still there when you need them
In control panel/Windows update/ left column/ change settings i have the first 3 boxes checked/ and you can set how often and what time to check for updates
Next Q backups should be put on a different drive just in case your os drive crashes, when you get the comp up and running the way you want we can discuss the value of keeping a current image
Next Q program startups are a matter of preferrence, it doesn't hurt to uncheck them at startup because there still there when you need them
not sure if this has been mentioned but you could always use Acronis or Macrium or another program to create an image of your C: hard drive. Install the image on the spare hard drive and if the first one fails you have a spare that you can instantly swap to.
This may be helpful for you too:
How I setup my pc's:
1) install OS onto single hard drive and fully update the OS
2) install all applications that i NEED (not games and other stuff I dont need)
3) create image of that hard drive and save to external hard drive.
4) plug-in second internal hard drive and use it as my program files location for all non needed applications and storage alternative for my NAS.
Note: you dont need to use second hard drive for program files stuff I do it because my SSD is only 64gb.
This may be helpful for you too:
How I setup my pc's:
1) install OS onto single hard drive and fully update the OS
2) install all applications that i NEED (not games and other stuff I dont need)
3) create image of that hard drive and save to external hard drive.
4) plug-in second internal hard drive and use it as my program files location for all non needed applications and storage alternative for my NAS.
Note: you dont need to use second hard drive for program files stuff I do it because my SSD is only 64gb.
Thanx again for all the info 1Bowtie and Lunarpancake!
Back to you 1Bowtie regarding the updates, what my Q pertained to was at the end of the install windows automatically begins to search for updates - how do I control this - can I decline to upload at that time?
I don't believe I can open the control panel at this point during the install, can I???
Regarding your joke about "get to work/only joking" my skin is three inches thick from doing field service work 20+ yrs. I have all the scares to prove it from being thrown to the lions when management could answer their questions. So feel free to bust balls! Mine are cast iron at this point in time. Man do I miss the years without people being offended! Life was a laugh!!!
Glidercj
Back to you 1Bowtie regarding the updates, what my Q pertained to was at the end of the install windows automatically begins to search for updates - how do I control this - can I decline to upload at that time?
I don't believe I can open the control panel at this point during the install, can I???
Regarding your joke about "get to work/only joking" my skin is three inches thick from doing field service work 20+ yrs. I have all the scares to prove it from being thrown to the lions when management could answer their questions. So feel free to bust balls! Mine are cast iron at this point in time. Man do I miss the years without people being offended! Life was a laugh!!!
Glidercj
The install will ask you if you want to Update Automatically. If you choose that it will start Updating before you open Windows Update. Either way, open it right after install, select all the Updates including optional to install - or select them in small groups if you want. Win7 is not like XP where you need to worry about Updates malfunctioning - the process is totally interactive with your OS so it provides only what you need except in the rarest case. You most certainly want any Drivers given in optional Update unless Win7 rejects them.
You do want to use Win7 Backup Imaging which is built into Win7. This is the modern way to back up your OS and programs once you set it up so that you never have to reinstall again, just reimage from backup using your DVD/Repair CD and the stored image in 15 minutes and you're back up and running.
Here is how to save a backup image to another HD: Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup
This is how the image is restored: System Image Recovery
If you want more flexibility as to what is imaged and where it's restored, use free Macrium Reflect or Paragon Backup 10. Win7 Backup imaging is new and will only restore the partitions selected for backup to exactly where they were on the HD or its replacement.
To avoid allowing a program to startup with Windows, watch closely for that choice (as well as spyware toolbars they like to sneak by you) during program install - don't allow updaters or checking for newer versions since they'll do that when you use the program anyway. If you find that or any other program has still snuck into your msconfig>Startup list then follow these steps to remove it: Startup Programs - Change
Be aware that may persistent programs that spy to sell your consumer information like RealPlayer will continue to sneak into your Startup list unless you find the near-hidden Setting in the Program itself to turn off. It takes some searching for "Preferences," "Updates," "Settings," etc to find the listing to turn off its Updater but you will get the knack of it after awhile. For example, Adobe Reader will keep turning back on its Updater after updates in msconfig unless you open it and turn off that option under Edit>Preferences.
You do want to use Win7 Backup Imaging which is built into Win7. This is the modern way to back up your OS and programs once you set it up so that you never have to reinstall again, just reimage from backup using your DVD/Repair CD and the stored image in 15 minutes and you're back up and running.
Here is how to save a backup image to another HD: Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup
This is how the image is restored: System Image Recovery
If you want more flexibility as to what is imaged and where it's restored, use free Macrium Reflect or Paragon Backup 10. Win7 Backup imaging is new and will only restore the partitions selected for backup to exactly where they were on the HD or its replacement.
To avoid allowing a program to startup with Windows, watch closely for that choice (as well as spyware toolbars they like to sneak by you) during program install - don't allow updaters or checking for newer versions since they'll do that when you use the program anyway. If you find that or any other program has still snuck into your msconfig>Startup list then follow these steps to remove it: Startup Programs - Change
Be aware that may persistent programs that spy to sell your consumer information like RealPlayer will continue to sneak into your Startup list unless you find the near-hidden Setting in the Program itself to turn off. It takes some searching for "Preferences," "Updates," "Settings," etc to find the listing to turn off its Updater but you will get the knack of it after awhile. For example, Adobe Reader will keep turning back on its Updater after updates in msconfig unless you open it and turn off that option under Edit>Preferences.
Greg,
Last night the install commenced, it would appear all went well! Although it took quite a while for it complete. When it was finished it looked for the updates, all two of them!? I did notice that windows did another update while I was setting up my desk top, screen backdrop and gadgets. I got the balloon for a brief moment stating windows updates but that only took a few seconds as it seemed. I want to make sure I have all of those that are required. I guess the best way to do this to perform a manual update?
Also when I activated the eval for the Wei score the graphics score was 4.3 - I did a google regarding what I thought was a low score (found out it is the next one down for the highest) I'm going to try updating the driver to see if I can get this into the high 4's or 5's. My Graphics card is EVGA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB PCIe w/Dual Link DVI. When I bought it I thought it was a kick a** card.
Going back the install - it seemed to take longer that the initial install but that was with a 500GB drive, this time it is a 1TB drive. Is that the difference in install time?
Glidercj
Last night the install commenced, it would appear all went well! Although it took quite a while for it complete. When it was finished it looked for the updates, all two of them!? I did notice that windows did another update while I was setting up my desk top, screen backdrop and gadgets. I got the balloon for a brief moment stating windows updates but that only took a few seconds as it seemed. I want to make sure I have all of those that are required. I guess the best way to do this to perform a manual update?
Also when I activated the eval for the Wei score the graphics score was 4.3 - I did a google regarding what I thought was a low score (found out it is the next one down for the highest) I'm going to try updating the driver to see if I can get this into the high 4's or 5's. My Graphics card is EVGA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB PCIe w/Dual Link DVI. When I bought it I thought it was a kick a** card.
Going back the install - it seemed to take longer that the initial install but that was with a 500GB drive, this time it is a 1TB drive. Is that the difference in install time?
Glidercj
Hi Glidercj
That WEI score means nothing in real world computing and looks about right for your computer. The real test is it stable and do the things i need to do. Now since you installed on a 1tb drive i would partition it say 150 gig OS and the rest for Programs, Junk, Pic's, Music, etc or you may want to format one of the other smaller drives or both and after you get it completely updated make an image and put it on one of the smaller drives. Let us know and we'll help any way we can
That WEI score means nothing in real world computing and looks about right for your computer. The real test is it stable and do the things i need to do. Now since you installed on a 1tb drive i would partition it say 150 gig OS and the rest for Programs, Junk, Pic's, Music, etc or you may want to format one of the other smaller drives or both and after you get it completely updated make an image and put it on one of the smaller drives. Let us know and we'll help any way we can
Did you open Windows Updates, select all Recommended and Optional Updates and install them?
One of the most important steps is to update your drivers from Optional Windows Updates, as I've mentioned several times.
Here are some other tips to make sure you get a perfect install: re-install windows 7
One of the most important steps is to update your drivers from Optional Windows Updates, as I've mentioned several times.
Here are some other tips to make sure you get a perfect install: re-install windows 7
Greg,
No I did not, ran out of time last night to complete all of your instructions (please keep in mind that when I'm working it's a 17 - 18 hour day/night before I have free time).
I wanted to get the Avast on there before roaming around the net.
As for partitioning the HD - what are the advantages of making smaller drives out of one big drive.
Is it to keep data away from the OS? Faster search time on the partitions ?????
Doesn't 150 GB seem quite big for OS (C drive) if that's all it's going to be allocated for?
The computer now starts up lightening quick and shut down fast as well. Although I don't have programs installed yet it appears to be stable.
As I install the programs I will reboot after each one and see how the system functions. Can I check the performance log/print out to create a base line for performance?
Glidercj
No I did not, ran out of time last night to complete all of your instructions (please keep in mind that when I'm working it's a 17 - 18 hour day/night before I have free time).
I wanted to get the Avast on there before roaming around the net.
As for partitioning the HD - what are the advantages of making smaller drives out of one big drive.
Is it to keep data away from the OS? Faster search time on the partitions ?????
Doesn't 150 GB seem quite big for OS (C drive) if that's all it's going to be allocated for?
The computer now starts up lightening quick and shut down fast as well. Although I don't have programs installed yet it appears to be stable.
As I install the programs I will reboot after each one and see how the system functions. Can I check the performance log/print out to create a base line for performance?
Glidercj
Install your Updates first, including the critical Security Updates to fortify your firewall and important driver updates cued in Optional.
It's a good idea to monitor the Performance log and Event Viewer>Custom Views>Admin to google repeat errors text and ID# to resolution.
Partitioning is up to your personal preference. Some like to keep the User folders on a separate data partition so that the OS/Programs partition image is lean, and so if Win7 becomes irreparable it can be reimaged to its partition while the data is current and waiting in its partition. Including the data in the OS partition means it won't be current when reimaged, unless you back it up separately.
User Folders - Change Default Location
It's a good idea to monitor the Performance log and Event Viewer>Custom Views>Admin to google repeat errors text and ID# to resolution.
Partitioning is up to your personal preference. Some like to keep the User folders on a separate data partition so that the OS/Programs partition image is lean, and so if Win7 becomes irreparable it can be reimaged to its partition while the data is current and waiting in its partition. Including the data in the OS partition means it won't be current when reimaged, unless you back it up separately.
User Folders - Change Default Location
I would not let all the WU updates try to install all at one time, you're just asking for trouble.
In the Windows start menu, all programs, Windows update, upper left pane change settings, choose "never check" so you can install updates one or two at a time so you can see which may be causing issues.
In the Windows start menu, all programs, Windows update, upper left pane change settings, choose "never check" so you can install updates one or two at a time so you can see which may be causing issues.
Okay,
The install went just great! I now all of the updates loaded to include the optional items as well. Most were security updates and a few system. The optional was one security, Graphics driver, mouse driver and I don't remember the last one -but it was very small.
I've loaded most of my software and rebooted after each one (did the same on the updates for the most part and for the security issues I selected 8 - 10 at a time).
The machine is fast and responsive, shuts down correctly also rebooting is pretty quick too.
Greg, just for you so you don't think I'm slacking - I stayed up until 11pm to finish all of this. I'm sure you're saying WOW 11pm, however I have to get up at 3am and drive forty miles to work. LOL
I want to upload the CCleaner and the others you've recommended. So I'll get to that on my day off Friday.
There are a lot of items you recommended that I have to shift through because our plan of action has changed constantly over the last few weeks, so what is relevent with the current situation I'll address.
I do have two questions:
Revo is a third party utility program?
Second, I partitioned the "C:" drive but it was done after the installation, I missed that during the install process. When I did it last night the OS system (from device mgr) would not allow me to shrink the drive any smaller than about half of the remaining drive size (467 MB of the 1TB drive). No matter what I tried it would not go smaller. 1Bowtie suggested 150MB for "C:", best I could do was the 467MB.
Glidercj
The install went just great! I now all of the updates loaded to include the optional items as well. Most were security updates and a few system. The optional was one security, Graphics driver, mouse driver and I don't remember the last one -but it was very small.
I've loaded most of my software and rebooted after each one (did the same on the updates for the most part and for the security issues I selected 8 - 10 at a time).
The machine is fast and responsive, shuts down correctly also rebooting is pretty quick too.
Greg, just for you so you don't think I'm slacking - I stayed up until 11pm to finish all of this. I'm sure you're saying WOW 11pm, however I have to get up at 3am and drive forty miles to work. LOL
I want to upload the CCleaner and the others you've recommended. So I'll get to that on my day off Friday.
There are a lot of items you recommended that I have to shift through because our plan of action has changed constantly over the last few weeks, so what is relevent with the current situation I'll address.
I do have two questions:
Revo is a third party utility program?
Second, I partitioned the "C:" drive but it was done after the installation, I missed that during the install process. When I did it last night the OS system (from device mgr) would not allow me to shrink the drive any smaller than about half of the remaining drive size (467 MB of the 1TB drive). No matter what I tried it would not go smaller. 1Bowtie suggested 150MB for "C:", best I could do was the 467MB.
Glidercj
Morning Glidercj
Just a heads up, Revo some people use it but be very careful if you decide too, for me i have never needed it, i use add/remove built right into Windows, next CCCleaner be very careful useing it, i've never needed it i run disk cleanup regularly. There may be a time for 3rd party prog's but wait till you actually need them. Sound like you have a smooth running comp time to keep it that way.
The partitioning is ok if it suits you 467Gig is better than 1TB, i think you can go in and shrink C: again that will give you another 230Gig of unallocated space which you can extend to D: if you desire. Other than that sounds like everything went your way. If you have any more questions just ask we're always around.
Just a heads up, Revo some people use it but be very careful if you decide too, for me i have never needed it, i use add/remove built right into Windows, next CCCleaner be very careful useing it, i've never needed it i run disk cleanup regularly. There may be a time for 3rd party prog's but wait till you actually need them. Sound like you have a smooth running comp time to keep it that way.
The partitioning is ok if it suits you 467Gig is better than 1TB, i think you can go in and shrink C: again that will give you another 230Gig of unallocated space which you can extend to D: if you desire. Other than that sounds like everything went your way. If you have any more questions just ask we're always around.
Good morning 1Bowtie,
I thought of doing that last night, spliting the new partition - it won't let me do it!
Unless there is another way to reduce the size it looks that's it.
Gregrocker recommended those 3rd party utilities, I've used ccleaner in XP. So you say disk cleanup will do the same I'll go that way. I'm of the OEM type guy then using aftermarket stuff unless I have no other choice.
While I'm on the subject - what is the best way(s) to keep the system running smooth using the OEM programs?
Glidercj
I thought of doing that last night, spliting the new partition - it won't let me do it!
Unless there is another way to reduce the size it looks that's it.
Gregrocker recommended those 3rd party utilities, I've used ccleaner in XP. So you say disk cleanup will do the same I'll go that way. I'm of the OEM type guy then using aftermarket stuff unless I have no other choice.
While I'm on the subject - what is the best way(s) to keep the system running smooth using the OEM programs?
Glidercj
You can wait to install Revo until you have a major program that needs uninstall. It can finds hundreds of dead leftover Registry Keys and files which otherwise would clog the registry.
CCleaner works fine for Win7, both the disk and registry cleaner. It has never given me an issue on hundreds of installs representing thousands of uses.
Another outstanding tool for Win7 is free Partition Wizard bootable CD, which can do any partitioning operation that Disk Mgmt can't. Boot it, rightclick C to Resize to see how much it will allow you to shrink it. It has DataSafe so it won't fail during resizing, only reboot to start over again until you bail out if it can't complete.
CCleaner works fine for Win7, both the disk and registry cleaner. It has never given me an issue on hundreds of installs representing thousands of uses.
Another outstanding tool for Win7 is free Partition Wizard bootable CD, which can do any partitioning operation that Disk Mgmt can't. Boot it, rightclick C to Resize to see how much it will allow you to shrink it. It has DataSafe so it won't fail during resizing, only reboot to start over again until you bail out if it can't complete.
When you say OEM programs what prog are we talking about, name's. As far as the third party prog's some people worry about reg entries, if there not causeing any problems why worry about them. If you want problems just out the wrong thing in the registry, unless you know what your doing stay out of the registry. More people come in here with problem with BSOD and then you find out they outed some reg entry or change this value and now the comp won't boot, it's just a word of warning.
1Bowtie,
I was referring to the Windows OS with these features, uninstall, disk cleanup etc..
I was referring to the Windows OS with these features, uninstall, disk cleanup etc..
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Glidercj 1Bowtie,
I was referring to the Windows OS with these features, uninstall, disk cleanup etc..
I was referring to the Windows OS with these features, uninstall, disk cleanup etc..
Greetings Gregrocker,
Well I'm done with all we've talked about to including the "Partition Wizard", worked like a charm. I was able to reduce (shrink) the "C" drive down to a nice 150GB. All was going good until this afternoon until I was investigating how to transfer files from one comuter to the other. When I clicked on the X to close the "My Computer" window (while another window was closing) the computer locked up. After a few minutes I decided to take a peek to see what the MoBo was doing code wize and the code there was FF. When I looked that up it referenced "Boot" and the hard drive lite was on steady.
I elected to hit the start button to end the stalemate (I hit the Ctl, Alt, Delete numerous times but to no end). Can you think of anything to check, look for?? I still haven't connected the other drives yet.
Glidercj
Well I'm done with all we've talked about to including the "Partition Wizard", worked like a charm. I was able to reduce (shrink) the "C" drive down to a nice 150GB. All was going good until this afternoon until I was investigating how to transfer files from one comuter to the other. When I clicked on the X to close the "My Computer" window (while another window was closing) the computer locked up. After a few minutes I decided to take a peek to see what the MoBo was doing code wize and the code there was FF. When I looked that up it referenced "Boot" and the hard drive lite was on steady.
I elected to hit the start button to end the stalemate (I hit the Ctl, Alt, Delete numerous times but to no end). Can you think of anything to check, look for?? I still haven't connected the other drives yet.
Glidercj
Will Win7 start up now?
Check the Performance log to see if it recorded what caused the hang. Rightclick Computer>Properties, click WEI score link, choose Advanced Tools. Look for cued issues on Tools page, Generate A System Health report.
To help us catch up with where you are, can you summarize succinctly what you have done and what you plan to do.
Best way to transfer files between computers is send them over Network, or drag and drop to external, stick or DVD.
Check the Performance log to see if it recorded what caused the hang. Rightclick Computer>Properties, click WEI score link, choose Advanced Tools. Look for cued issues on Tools page, Generate A System Health report.
To help us catch up with where you are, can you summarize succinctly what you have done and what you plan to do.
Best way to transfer files between computers is send them over Network, or drag and drop to external, stick or DVD.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Kari I'm not getting any popularity prices with this, but I still feel it is an important thing to tell:
Please keep in mind that what you are planning to do is not allowed by Microsoft, it is very clearly against Windows 7 EULA. Please do not PM me telling I'm a PITA. I know it already
Kari
Please keep in mind that what you are planning to do is not allowed by Microsoft, it is very clearly against Windows 7 EULA.
Quote:
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. One Copy per Computer. You may install one copy of the software on one computer. That computer is the "licensed computer."
a. One Copy per Computer. You may install one copy of the software on one computer. That computer is the "licensed computer."
Kari
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