Look I got 4GB of ram and I use win7 Pro 64bit.
I'd like to make it fast!
So I just installed the OS and my anti virus is Avira since it's awesome and takes little space.
Also I set Windows Classic as my theme which means now my WIN7 looks like Win XP.
Is that even gives anything?
anyways... I'd like to get tips.
thanks
Ohh and which one is better? Pro or Ultimate.
I'd like to make it fast!
So I just installed the OS and my anti virus is Avira since it's awesome and takes little space.
Also I set Windows Classic as my theme which means now my WIN7 looks like Win XP.
Is that even gives anything?
anyways... I'd like to get tips.
thanks
Ohh and which one is better? Pro or Ultimate.
Welcome BDani,
Pro & Ultimate are very similar. I have computers running both & they do most everything I want to do.
If you fill in your computer specs, it will help us to analyze your hardware for improvements.
Pro & Ultimate are very similar. I have computers running both & they do most everything I want to do.
If you fill in your computer specs, it will help us to analyze your hardware for improvements.
Hey
thanks for the quick reply.
ummm where should I fill my specs?
I mean... I can't see the link :P
thanks for the quick reply.
ummm where should I fill my specs?
I mean... I can't see the link :P
Click on My System Specs in lower left corner, then Update Your System Specs
1. Avira has lost favor and apparently has been deemed resource heavy lately. it used to be the "free darling" but MSE has surpassed it by a mile.
2. Despite what you might think, switching to the classic theme isn't a given. Leaving Aero enabled, assuming you any kind of decent graphics card, will offload the graphics work in Windows to the video card, leaving the CPU free to work on other things. This is one reason why system specs are important.
3. Pro and Ultimate aren't comparable in terms of which one is better. There's little difference between them, aside from the price, so look at those differences. Chances are, if you have to ask, you don't need them and would be fine with Pro, or even Home Premium if you don't plan to be on a domain.
2. Despite what you might think, switching to the classic theme isn't a given. Leaving Aero enabled, assuming you any kind of decent graphics card, will offload the graphics work in Windows to the video card, leaving the CPU free to work on other things. This is one reason why system specs are important.
3. Pro and Ultimate aren't comparable in terms of which one is better. There's little difference between them, aside from the price, so look at those differences. Chances are, if you have to ask, you don't need them and would be fine with Pro, or even Home Premium if you don't plan to be on a domain.
If you look at the top of each page there's a 'User CP' link, just click that then you'll get all the options you can change down the left hand side. 1 of which is the User Specs 
updated my specs
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani 
updated my specs
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Ummm ok I'll give MSE a try.
Ohh and I updated my system spec's any ideas about how I can improve my memory usage or make my PC faster?
I am looking at my task manager and CPU Usage is pretty high...
Also it sais I have only 2GB RAM available... well actually 2.8-2.9 But I dont get it.. where do 1GB's of RAM go?!
Ohh and I updated my system spec's any ideas about how I can improve my memory usage or make my PC faster?
I am looking at my task manager and CPU Usage is pretty high...
Also it sais I have only 2GB RAM available... well actually 2.8-2.9 But I dont get it.. where do 1GB's of RAM go?!
If your CPU usages is high, look in Task manager to see what is using those resources. Your memory usage should be "high", mainly because Windows 7 will be preloading commonly used apps and running some optimizations tasks in the background...this is a good thing, especially if your system was recently installed.
As for your RAM available, where are you seeing this...in your system properties, or in a monitor somewhere?
As for your RAM available, where are you seeing this...in your system properties, or in a monitor somewhere?
Installed MSE.
Is it running the highest protection by default?
As for my RAM and CPU.
I just clicked on "Performance" in my Task Manager and there were my CPU and RAM.
CPU is now lower (4%-6%)
but RAM is still used alot!
any way to lower this?
WOW... Firefox takes like 72MB along with Skype which takes 52.
Windows Explorer takes 26,000K.
Everything else takes little space
Is there any way to optimize Firefox so it wont take so much space?
and another question:
I use Windows Classic as my current theme.
That means my performance is better then it would be with the regular default Windows Aero?
Sorry for asking so many question and sorry for my lame English
I'm not american or english or anything nearly close to it :P
Is it running the highest protection by default?
As for my RAM and CPU.
I just clicked on "Performance" in my Task Manager and there were my CPU and RAM.
CPU is now lower (4%-6%)
but RAM is still used alot!
any way to lower this?
WOW... Firefox takes like 72MB along with Skype which takes 52.
Windows Explorer takes 26,000K.
Everything else takes little space
Is there any way to optimize Firefox so it wont take so much space?
and another question:
I use Windows Classic as my current theme.
That means my performance is better then it would be with the regular default Windows Aero?
Sorry for asking so many question and sorry for my lame English
I'm not american or english or anything nearly close to it :P
You might want to take a look at this tutorial on how to optimize 7. You might find that only a few things apply to your machine but every little bit helps. Your English is fine! I'm from Texas... you should hear the way they talk down here!
Optimize Windows 7
Optimize Windows 7
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Installed MSE.
Is it running the highest protection by default?
Is it running the highest protection by default?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani WOW... Firefox takes like 72MB along with Skype which takes 52.
Windows Explorer takes 26,000K.
Everything else takes little space
Is there any way to optimize Firefox so it wont take so much space?
Windows Explorer takes 26,000K.
Everything else takes little space
Is there any way to optimize Firefox so it wont take so much space?
People need to break their old line of thinking that memory usage is bad. Would you by a 400 HP BMW and then only drive 20 mph so you use as little of the power as possible? It's been very VERY well documents that Windows 7 uses your memory efficiently, to optimize speed and performance. That's a good thing. You paid for 4 GB...let the system use it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani I use Windows Classic as my current theme.
That means my performance is better then it would be with the regular default Windows Aero?
That means my performance is better then it would be with the regular default Windows Aero?
As a general suggestion, you are making assumptions based on how Windows XP ran. Forget all of that. Windows 7 is not XP, and shouldn't be treated as XP. Old ways of thinking can actually be counter productive to Windows 7 usage.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by marsmimar You might want to take a look at this tutorial on how to optimize 7. You might find that only a few things apply to your machine but every little bit helps. Your English is fine! I'm from Texas... you should hear the way they talk down here!
Optimize Windows 7
Optimize Windows 7
thanks man gonna check it out right now
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Installed MSE.
Is it running the highest protection by default?
Is it running the highest protection by default?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani WOW... Firefox takes like 72MB along with Skype which takes 52.
Windows Explorer takes 26,000K.
Everything else takes little space
Is there any way to optimize Firefox so it wont take so much space?
Windows Explorer takes 26,000K.
Everything else takes little space
Is there any way to optimize Firefox so it wont take so much space?
People need to break their old line of thinking that memory usage is bad. Would you by a 400 HP BMW and then only drive 20 mph so you use as little of the power as possible? It's been very VERY well documents that Windows 7 uses your memory efficiently, to optimize speed and performance. That's a good thing. You paid for 4 GB...let the system use it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani I use Windows Classic as my current theme.
That means my performance is better then it would be with the regular default Windows Aero?
That means my performance is better then it would be with the regular default Windows Aero?
As a general suggestion, you are making assumptions based on how Windows XP ran. Forget all of that. Windows 7 is not XP, and shouldn't be treated as XP. Old ways of thinking can actually be counter productive to Windows 7 usage.
My aero is turned on right now. (thank god cause I hated it
)A friend of mine said the IE is a very low security browser... Though I like him too!
I tried to use Opera but it is not compatible with forums and stuff!
everytime I want to post somthing in colors or in BOLD it writes some code ([B\] or somthing like that) unlike firefox and IE.
Also Chrome does the same and I can't figure out how to disable this code stuff.
So I use FireFox cause I really think that the new 4th version will be awesome aswell as their memory usage. (I only think that I'm not 100% sure)
thanks again for you'r support guys!
I'm not trying to change your mind on browsers, as everyone has their own preferences, but your friend who told you IE was low security is also going on very old information. I'm guessing this same friend was giving you tweaking advice for Windows 7? If so, find a friend who "gets with the times".
IE6 was weak on security. IE7 made great strides, and was even tested to be on the same level as Firefox at the time. IE8 improves on this, so the security argument falls apart quickly. Use the on you are comfortable with, but don't say one is more secure than the other, etc. Chrome, Firefox, and IE8 all get the job done and are safe to use.
IE6 was weak on security. IE7 made great strides, and was even tested to be on the same level as Firefox at the time. IE8 improves on this, so the security argument falls apart quickly. Use the on you are comfortable with, but don't say one is more secure than the other, etc. Chrome, Firefox, and IE8 all get the job done and are safe to use.
Alright then
Here we go!
I deleted FF and I'm using IE8.
gonna wait for the full version of the 9th version to be published.
And I just wanna thank everyone who helped me here!
My available RAM is 3GB!!! since I guess the 1GB go's to the Windows requirements?
and the CPU is like 1 % which is amazing!
Graphic and Wireless card drivers are installed.
any other stuff I should do?
Ohh and I rated my computer it sais 5.9
Ohhh.. and How to I remove those arrow's next to my desktop shorcuts?
Here we go!
I deleted FF and I'm using IE8.
gonna wait for the full version of the 9th version to be published.
And I just wanna thank everyone who helped me here!
My available RAM is 3GB!!! since I guess the 1GB go's to the Windows requirements?
and the CPU is like 1 % which is amazing!
Graphic and Wireless card drivers are installed.
any other stuff I should do?
Ohh and I rated my computer it sais 5.9
Ohhh.. and How to I remove those arrow's next to my desktop shorcuts?
Try this 
Start system configuration Click on it!
Choose Boot Tab advanced options
set Maximum memory: to Zero (0) Click OK
ReBoot Computer Then check memory in Control Panel System
Start system configuration Click on it!Choose Boot Tab
advanced options set Maximum memory: to Zero (0) Click OK
ReBoot Computer Then check memory in
Control Panel System Is it safe?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Is it safe?
My post is the way to usually get the max 4gb of ram useable.
MY INDEX Check my specs.
Can't get it to be 0
it always get's back to 256
nevermind it is 0 now.
just like in you'r pic
it always get's back to 256
nevermind it is 0 now.
just like in you'r pic
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Ohhh.. and How to I remove those arrow's next to my desktop shorcuts?
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Is it safe?
If you aren't seeing 4 GB of memory, and you are 100% sure your running an x64 OS, then you need to look in your BIOS for something called memory mapping, or something like it...and enable it.
Ummm Check my BIOS for what?
I have 4GB of RAM and I can use 3 of them when nothing is running.
And its 3GB cause Win 7 requires 1 right?
I have 4GB of RAM and I can use 3 of them when nothing is running.
And its 3GB cause Win 7 requires 1 right?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani And its 3GB cause Win 7 requires 1 right?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani And its 3GB cause Win 7 requires 1 right?
I see
Proccessor: Intel Core 2Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz 3.00Ghz
RAM: 4.00GB
System type: 64 Bit
I would upload the picture but my OS is'nt in English.
Ohh and I think i'm gonna roll back to Firefox.
I can't find a way to block those stupid adds and pop ups...
once again thank's for the help guys
Proccessor: Intel Core 2Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz 3.00Ghz
RAM: 4.00GB
System type: 64 Bit
I would upload the picture but my OS is'nt in English.
Ohh and I think i'm gonna roll back to Firefox.
I can't find a way to block those stupid adds and pop ups...
once again thank's for the help guys
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark �� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani updated my specs
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Well, I have to disagree. MSE, at least under XP does NOT catch all the nasties. My room mates pc caught a nasty trojan/virus that wanted you to go to a website and purchase an a/v program. Exe's wouldn't run, could open my computer, etc. MSE wouldn't run. After doing some research, I downloaded and was able to get a free copy of melwarebytes (sp) to install and run. Cleared out the pc. MSE was up to date. Then a neighbors pc went on the fritz. He took it to a repair shop. While there he bought webroot. Webroot allows it to be installed on 3 pc's at once. He gave me a copy. So far it seems to catch everything. Still have MSE installed and running. Will use both on all my pc's. Just my observations.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pweegar �� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark �� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani updated my specs
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Ohhh and DeaconFrost thanks for the comment.
So should I delete Avira and install MSE?
It's just the I checked at av comparatives and Avira did well there
according to their tests
Well, I have to disagree. MSE, at least under XP does NOT catch all the nasties. My room mates pc caught a nasty trojan/virus that wanted you to go to a website and purchase an a/v program. Exe's wouldn't run, could open my computer, etc. MSE wouldn't run. After doing some research, I downloaded and was able to get a free copy of melwarebytes (sp) to install and run. Cleared out the pc. MSE was up to date. Then a neighbors pc went on the fritz. He took it to a repair shop. While there he bought webroot. Webroot allows it to be installed on 3 pc's at once. He gave me a copy. So far it seems to catch everything. Still have MSE installed and running. Will use both on all my pc's. Just my observations.
Stick with MSE but put Malwarebytes on the desktop for on-demand scanning.
I like to turn off everything in msconfig>Startup except AV and gadgets/stickies if you use em.
Google repeat errors text in Event Viewer>Admin View to see how others have resolved them and learn more about your system and troubleshooting. Same with the Performance log on Advanced Tools page accessed by clicking WEI score link. Check for cued issues at top of Tools page and Generate a System Health Report.
Type "prob" in Start search box and look for problem solutions which may be cued.
I like to turn off everything in msconfig>Startup except AV and gadgets/stickies if you use em.
Google repeat errors text in Event Viewer>Admin View to see how others have resolved them and learn more about your system and troubleshooting. Same with the Performance log on Advanced Tools page accessed by clicking WEI score link. Check for cued issues at top of Tools page and Generate a System Health Report.
Type "prob" in Start search box and look for problem solutions which may be cued.
Just cause I dont trust MSE enough I use SAS as real-time protection too.
MB is on desktop so when I'll need to scan I will use it.
MB is on desktop so when I'll need to scan I will use it.
Checked my BIOS and can't find any memory mapping
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Just cause I dont trust MSE enough I use SAS as real-time protection too.
MB is on desktop so when I'll need to scan I will use it.
MB is on desktop so when I'll need to scan I will use it.
The point of recommending MSE with Win7 Firewall is that they have no impact on performance and allow Win7 to be feather light and always instantaneous. Most other AV's introduce some hesitation, even slight.
I would let Windows manage Memory and use all the RAM it wants too.
Don't even worry about it.
I too agree, if you have a decent Video Card, it will run smoother with Aero enabled as well.
As far as further performance improvements go, your system looks fine.
The biggest bottleneck of any modern PC is the Hard Drive itself.
Installing the OS and your programs on a SSD will solve that problem.
Don't even worry about it.
I too agree, if you have a decent Video Card, it will run smoother with Aero enabled as well.
As far as further performance improvements go, your system looks fine.
The biggest bottleneck of any modern PC is the Hard Drive itself.
Installing the OS and your programs on a SSD will solve that problem.
Alright thanks for the help!
thanks for the help! Never install multiple AV programs. There's no purpose and it will slow the computer down to a crawl.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr Never install multiple AV programs. There's no purpose and it will slow the computer down to a crawl.
~Maxx~
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Ok here are some of the info of my CPU-Z, i want to know how to increase the performance & get the best out of my Win7 without adding any extra hardware like RAM,Processor,GPU etc...Thnx 
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I use Startup Delayer
r2 Studios - Software
basically instead of having my pc try and fire up 30+ or whatever programs when it boots, it fires them up one by one over a period of 3 minutes, in order of most important.
you will perhaps have to think a little and work out any kinks.. (like 2mins of my time it was)
This results in having a functional desktop immediately after logging in. (open firefox or whatever and away you go) eliminating the hd thrash problem.
r2 Studios - Software
basically instead of having my pc try and fire up 30+ or whatever programs when it boots, it fires them up one by one over a period of 3 minutes, in order of most important.
you will perhaps have to think a little and work out any kinks.. (like 2mins of my time it was)
This results in having a functional desktop immediately after logging in. (open firefox or whatever and away you go) eliminating the hd thrash problem.
Thanks but I got no startup problems
[QUOTE=DeaconFrost;1002140] �� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani can anyone tell me more about it?
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani If you aren't seeing 4 GB of memory, and you are 100% sure your running an x64 OS, then you need to look in your BIOS for something called memory mapping, or something like it...and enable it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by deepakumar Ok here are some of the info of my CPU-Z, i want to know how to increase the performance & get the best out of my Win7 without adding any extra hardware like RAM,Processor,GPU etc...Thnx
~Maxx~
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Thnx Maxxwire but all those options i've already disbaled...i use MSE+Comodo firewall for security...yeah i know & agree with you that Windows7 will not be able to reach to its performance zenith with my current hardware but you know there is always a possibility to squeeze some juice out of everything...That's what i'm trying to achieve...
There is also absolutely no point in running a firewall separate from the one included in Windows. In fact, if you are behind a router, you should turn that one off as well. You simply don't need it.
Comodo will indeed throttle Win7. Try the WIn7 firewall instead.
It's a new generation OS with perfectly optimized built-ins, new tools and utilities.
It's a new generation OS with perfectly optimized built-ins, new tools and utilities.
Yeah before I installed this OS (7) I used comodo.
Ohh... I use a wireless connection and i'm connected to my home router which is protected by a password.
Can I rely on my built-in windows firewall?
Ohh... I use a wireless connection and i'm connected to my home router which is protected by a password.
Can I rely on my built-in windows firewall?
The built-in firewall is perfectly fine, especially since you are already behind a firewall (router).
Alright then
thank you very much!
thank you very much!
This is but a small example of the kind of daily Win 7 outbound reporting traffic that I currently have blocked with the Comodo Firewall. Believe me that I am no Firewall expert, but when the Comodo Firewall is set to Custom Policy Mode it notifies the user of all outbound traffic requests and offers the choice of allowing or denying that specific outbound communication.
In 2 1/2 years of using Vista I never saw this variety nor volume of Redmond-bound traffic and I am thankful that the Comodo Firewall alerted me to what is going on which is apparently new to Win 7 regarding this undoubtedly information laden outbound traffic which began as a result of disabling the MS CEIP information gathering of system32\rundll32.exe which is pre-programmed into Win 7 for the first time. A single screen example the 3 hour long information gathering process is seen here in the Comodo Defense+ Log opening every program on the computer in order to compile its outbound report...
Contrary to a slow down extremely light Comodo Firewall which only uses 18.1 MB of RAM has enabled faster performance across the board including good online performance which as a photographer who is continually processing and uploading photos to the internet is very much appreciated...
~Maxx~
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Windows Update service is fully interactive, scanning your system to find the latest software and hardware updates including drivers - to benefit forom the fortune MS spent getting drivers into the Win7 installer or quickly available via optional Updates.
That Comodo would monitor this activity is interesting. But my experience with Comodo is that it throttles Win7 worse than Norton now, so I advise users to remove it and every one who has done so reports the result is like having shackles removed - same as with a bloated AV.
What would be the downside for your security or performance in having WUD be fully interactive? Just askin.
That Comodo would monitor this activity is interesting. But my experience with Comodo is that it throttles Win7 worse than Norton now, so I advise users to remove it and every one who has done so reports the result is like having shackles removed - same as with a bloated AV.
What would be the downside for your security or performance in having WUD be fully interactive? Just askin.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker That Comodo would monitor this activity is interesting. But my experience with Comodo is that it throttles Win7 worse than Norton now, so I advise users to remove it and every one who has done so reports the result is like having shackles removed - same as with a bloated AV.
How many MB of RAM does Windows Firewall use anyway? I just took this screenshot of Task Manager and it has the Comodo Firewall and the world's top rated Defense+ HIPS software consuming a total of 5.54 MB of RAM does Windows Firewall use a lesser amount of system resources than that? As you can see the Comodo Firewall runs for 29% fewer resources than the Windows Calculator does which makes me wonder how it could possibly throttle people's computers which run 4 to 8 GB of RAM these days.
I totally agree with you though about ditching the use of bloated AV's though! I've run my computers without outmoded 20th century AV technology for almost 2 years now without the detection of a single piece of Malware on either of my computers thanks to running my browsers in the virtual space of Sandboxie and scanning all downloads with Virus Total and several other on demand scanners.
~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire Years ago I ran Norton and it consumed over 300 MB of RAM which is more than 54 times as much as the Comodo Firewall runs for on my computer so I do not understand the comparison that you made.
Also, when you stated above that Comodo has enabled faster performance, including online performance, I'm starting to wonder about the validity of your comments. No firewall will speed up anything, especially online performance. That's just common sense, as it has to scan and decide on each packet, rather than allowing it all through.
Fact of the matter is, if you really want a software firewall, the built-in one does a fine job of monitoring traffic. 99.9% of all users would be perfectly fine behind a hardware firewall, which will have no impact on the performance of a computer behind it. I'm sure Comodo is a fine product, but in these days of minimalistic computing, extra software doesn't get installed unless it provides a clear feature I can't live without, or does something I can't do with what I already have.
So should I install comodo?
That's really up to you. I have never installed a third party firewall, and never saw a point to one, to be honest. With each new version of Windows, the built-in firewall got better and better, and when I add in the fact I have a firewall built in to my router (they all do), I don't think there's much of a reason for one, unless you really feel like analyzing all traffic that goes in and out in very distinct detail. I'd rather spend my time using my computer than doing that....but to each his own. There are tools out there to give you similar details for the Windows firewall, if that's what you are after.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I don't think there's much of a reason for one, unless you really feel like analyzing all traffic that goes in and out in very distinct detail.
Rightly said Maxx my friend Comodo Firewall gives more control to the user & let him/her to keep a good watch on the in-out traffic....With Windows Firewall the bad experience i had was when it downloaded Hell lot of updates & then it went hay waya...then i have to turn it off & with Comodo i completed 4 years & never had a problem...
But Yes its 1s own take whether they wanna go with Windows or Comodo firewall the purpose remains the same to be safe & protected...
@ deconfrost my friend i gotta agree with u as well if 1 is sitting behind a router firewall then don't need a real 3rd party firewall until 1 really wanna keep a day-night watch on the traffic...nice take buddy...
But Yes its 1s own take whether they wanna go with Windows or Comodo firewall the purpose remains the same to be safe & protected...
@ deconfrost my friend i gotta agree with u as well if 1 is sitting behind a router firewall then don't need a real 3rd party firewall until 1 really wanna keep a day-night watch on the traffic...nice take buddy...
So I guess I wont install.
Not only because I am protected by the router but also I am not that of an expert who can analyze traffic.
Would be better to keep my PC as it is.
But I still wanna figure out how do peaple use so little memory of RAM... I use 1GB automaticly when I start Windows.
Probably because the requirement's are 1GB to install this OS?
I dont know...
I think I said that but my English knida sucks so if you did'nt understand somthing I said, please let me know
Not only because I am protected by the router but also I am not that of an expert who can analyze traffic.
Would be better to keep my PC as it is.
But I still wanna figure out how do peaple use so little memory of RAM... I use 1GB automaticly when I start Windows.
Probably because the requirement's are 1GB to install this OS?
I dont know...
I think I said that but my English knida sucks so if you did'nt understand somthing I said, please let me know
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani I think I said that but my English knida sucks so if you did'nt understand somthing I said, please let me know
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani But I still wanna figure out how do peaple use so little memory of RAM... I use 1GB automaticly when I start Windows.
Probably because the requirement's are 1GB to install this OS?
Probably because the requirement's are 1GB to install this OS?
As I mentioned before, you also need to forget the old ways of XP where lower memory usage was good. Windows 7 uses more memory, but it uses it effectively by indexing, caching, SuperFetch, etc. Using 1 GB at boot seems very normal to me, so I'm not sure why you are worrying about it so much.
You paid for the memory in your computer, so be happy that you finally have an OS that is designed to use it, and use it well. I once saw a forum poster say that if you don't want your memory to be used, pull it out of your computer and put it on your desk.
Hahahahaha Nice DeaconFrost ""if you don't want your memory to be used, pull it out of your computer and put it on your desk""
@bDani i guess you should relax & actually think more with Windows7 on your mind only i got only 2Gb my OS utilize it accordingly & it does the same for you as well since you got 4Gb RAM & 25-30% of it utilized giving the best then i guess u r the happy man at the end of the day...
As DeaconFrost mentioned indexing a great feature of Win7 if you want you can disable as well to get few MB of RAM...
@bDani i guess you should relax & actually think more with Windows7 on your mind only i got only 2Gb my OS utilize it accordingly & it does the same for you as well since you got 4Gb RAM & 25-30% of it utilized giving the best then i guess u r the happy man at the end of the day...
As DeaconFrost mentioned indexing a great feature of Win7 if you want you can disable as well to get few MB of RAM...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani But I still wanna figure out how do peaple use so little memory of RAM... I use 1GB automaticly when I start Windows.
I've done some rather thorough testing of Windows 7 by default and then by performing handfuls of tweaks and shutting off services, etc. I'll be honest, the time savings is often in the 1/2 second range (and that could be a lazy finger issue with me hitting stop on the stopwatch) at most and often times after enough tweaking is actually slower than when I started. Sure, at the end of the day, you will have a fewer # of services, and potentially a slightly smaller amount of RAM being used...but if it doesn't equate to a measurable performance increase....what is the actual value?
To be honest, determining what is 'eating' a fair chunk of your memory is relative to the programs you have and the amount of memory you have in your system.
The OS is going to virtualize part of it based on the available memory your system has in general.
Unless you are really in a situation where you need to reduce the amount of disk swapping going on, such as needing to use Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator at the same time or need performance more than functionality, you don't need to worry about the memory as much.
The one thing I know from experience with Windows XP given the 32 bit mem limitation is that I would hit near full memory just leaving a lot of programs running, mostly database like applications like a Feedreader, Outlook and Curse Client because of the inherent design of not properly freeing up memory allocations, most specifically Feedreader and Curse Client because they are actively checking for more stuff, where as Outlook is an MS product and most MS products tend to be coded poorly for some functions.
The thing to note is that most of the stuff in the system tray, if it doesn't serve a practical purpose for you, it is usually a fluff program you might not need and should be removed if you are THAT worried about memory. Avoid some of the companion software with HP products as that is fluff you probably won't use for the most part or rarely turn on at all. There will be items in the System tray that are MS related that you will never really be able to get rid of, like the Action Center, perhaps, Windows Defender if you haven't gotten another AV system that you prefer over the Windows provided one.
You can profile or look at the various programs running, but without knowing what you are looking for, you will do more damage to yourself trying to kill them off, but in the end the only thing that eats up memory in general is whatever programs you install and leave running. This also includes Web Browsers and the like.
The OS is going to virtualize part of it based on the available memory your system has in general.
Unless you are really in a situation where you need to reduce the amount of disk swapping going on, such as needing to use Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator at the same time or need performance more than functionality, you don't need to worry about the memory as much.
The one thing I know from experience with Windows XP given the 32 bit mem limitation is that I would hit near full memory just leaving a lot of programs running, mostly database like applications like a Feedreader, Outlook and Curse Client because of the inherent design of not properly freeing up memory allocations, most specifically Feedreader and Curse Client because they are actively checking for more stuff, where as Outlook is an MS product and most MS products tend to be coded poorly for some functions.
The thing to note is that most of the stuff in the system tray, if it doesn't serve a practical purpose for you, it is usually a fluff program you might not need and should be removed if you are THAT worried about memory. Avoid some of the companion software with HP products as that is fluff you probably won't use for the most part or rarely turn on at all. There will be items in the System tray that are MS related that you will never really be able to get rid of, like the Action Center, perhaps, Windows Defender if you haven't gotten another AV system that you prefer over the Windows provided one.
You can profile or look at the various programs running, but without knowing what you are looking for, you will do more damage to yourself trying to kill them off, but in the end the only thing that eats up memory in general is whatever programs you install and leave running. This also includes Web Browsers and the like.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by BDani Just cause I dont trust MSE enough I use SAS as real-time protection too.
MB is on desktop so when I'll need to scan I will use it.
MB is on desktop so when I'll need to scan I will use it.
I use MSE with the Windows Firewall behind a router, I also have the paid version of MalwareBytes running in real-time, they all work very well together, plus I'm running the IE9 beta and according to Secunia PSI that is a secure browser.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer I use MSE with the Windows Firewall behind a router, I also have the paid version of MalwareBytes running in real-time, they all work very well together, plus I'm running the IE9 beta and according to Secunia PSI that is a secure browser.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost No firewall will speed up anything, especially online performance.
You're right, a Firewall can't speed up internet communications up but the Comodo Firewall offers many security features that other Firewalls don't have and it doesn't slow things down which is especially significant to users that don't have access to a hardware Firewall or all of the millions of people who use laptops away from home.
Firewalls can really slow things down though. I have a Linksys Hardware Firewall with SPI that slows my internet download speed from 34 Mbps to 12 Mbps, but not so with the Comodo Firewall...
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire I have a Linksys Hardware Firewall with SPI that slows my internet download speed from 34 Mbps to 12 Mbps, but not so with the Comodo Firewall...
As for the laptop users who travel away from home, yes, they loose the protection of their hardware firewall, but that's why Windows includes one as well...and now one that monitors traffic in both directions.
See link: How to Enable Windows 7 Firewall Outbound Protection
So there becomes very little need....on a VERY little amount of computers to run anything more than what's already included. 99.9% of all users or more have no need for anything more than what Windows 7 Firewall does already.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer I use MSE with the Windows Firewall behind a router, I also have the paid version of MalwareBytes running in real-time, they all work very well together, plus I'm running the IE9 beta and according to Secunia PSI that is a secure browser.
I'm definitely not against helping the developers out of some great software. My comments were regarding the slowdown you'll likely see all the time, or during disk-intensive tasks due to having two resident scanners running at the same time. That's always been a big no-no.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost Then you have a poorly misconfigured or failing router. 99.9% of all users or more have no need for anything more than what Windows 7 Firewall does already.
I bought the NIB Linksys BEFSX41 hardware firewall router specifically because it had an SPI Mode and it was configured properly and works perfectly fine with internet download speeds well over 30 Mbps except when SPI is engaged and then like I mentioned the maximum download speed drops to 12 Mbps with the exact same configuration. As a result I run it without SPI engaged and Comodo Firewall Pro in full Stealth Mode at its highest security configuration and it has passed an array of Leak Tests proving the true level of security which it provides.
Concerning your statement that "99.9% of all users or more have no need for anything more than what Windows 7 Firewall does already" perhaps you could do as is customary over at Wilders Security Forums and run the standard PC Flank Leak Tests on your configuration of Windows 7 Firewall to prove the validity of your assertion.
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im using pro and it is enough for me. In ultima there is many features that i dont need so no need to bother with ultimne.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire Concerning your statement that "99.9% of all users or more have no need for anything more than what Windows 7 Firewall does already" perhaps you could do as is customary over at Wilders Security Forums and run the standard PC Flank Leak Tests on your configuration of Windows 7 Firewall to prove the validity of your assertion.
Too many people automatically assume that all traffic going through is bad. As mentioned above...if my printer app wants to report back on my average usage, it is welcome too. I don't need yet another app running in the background to do the job of what is already present.
Besides, maybe it's the IT Manager in me talking, but if it is good enough for the corporate world, it is more than good enough for home systems.
If you want that kind of granular information, be my guest...it is your system. I don't have the time or the desire to check all of that, so as long as I'm well protected, I can move on to other things. But please don't act like all of us running the Windows firewall are making a mistake.
With regards to the default Windows firewall, or a commercial 3rd party firewall and which is far superior....so much of this has to do with the risks that the end-user is subjecting themselves to based on their computing habits.
I believe the built-in Windows firewall suffices for most people. With that said, there are still a ton of machines which get compromised. However, I think this is more to do with the end user willing to do something stupid and risk their internal security. And as we have learned, you cannot stop stupid.
I generally recommend that people run MSE, a router based NAT firewall and the built-in Windows firewall. In the event that I know this person is dead set on pirating software, torrenting movies and porn and the like...then I will always recommend that they step up their level of protection as they are putting themselves into risky situations.
I believe the built-in Windows firewall suffices for most people. With that said, there are still a ton of machines which get compromised. However, I think this is more to do with the end user willing to do something stupid and risk their internal security. And as we have learned, you cannot stop stupid.
I generally recommend that people run MSE, a router based NAT firewall and the built-in Windows firewall. In the event that I know this person is dead set on pirating software, torrenting movies and porn and the like...then I will always recommend that they step up their level of protection as they are putting themselves into risky situations.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 I generally recommend that people run MSE, a router based NAT firewall and the built-in Windows firewall.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I'm definitely not against helping the developers out of some great software. My comments were regarding the slowdown you'll likely see all the time, or during disk-intensive tasks due to having two resident scanners running at the same time. That's always been a big no-no.
"Please don't act like all of us running the Windows firewall are making a mistake." All I am saying is that if you subject Windows Firewall to any of the reputable Leak Tests which are used to evaluate Firewall performance you will learn the truth about how well protected your computer currently really is.
The value of having top notch software Firewall protection is not a concern for many entry level Win 7 users, but for those more advanced users who can appreciate the value of knowing exactly how well their software Firewall is protecting them from common exploits like Rootkit Installations, Invasions, Injections, InfoSends, Impersonations and Hijacking then a Leak Test will let them know exactly how well thier current software Firewall protection stands up to these exploits...
1. RootkitInstallation: MissingDriverLoad
2. RootkitInstallation: LoadAndCallImage
3. RootkitInstallation: DriverSupersede
4. RootkitInstallation: ChangeDrvPath
5. Invasion: Runner
6. Invasion: RawDisk
7. Invasion: PhysicalMemory
8. Invasion: FileDrop
9. Invasion: DebugControl
10. Injection: SetWinEventHook
11. Injection: SetWindowsHookEx
12. Injection: SetThreadContext
13. Injection: Services
14. Injection: ProcessInject
15. Injection: KnownDlls
16. Injection: DupHandles
17. Injection: CreateRemoteThread
18. Injection: APC dll injection
19. Injection: AdvancedProcessTermination
20. InfoSend: ICMP Test
21. InfoSend: DNS Test
22. Impersonation: OLE automation
23. Impersonation: ExplorerAsParent
24. Impersonation: DDE
25. Impersonation: Coat
26. Impersonation: BITS
27. Hijacking: WinlogonNotify
28. Hijacking: Userinit
29. Hijacking: UIHost
30. Hijacking: SupersedeServiceDll
31. Hijacking: StartupPrograms
32. Hijacking: ChangeDebuggerPath
33. Hijacking: AppinitDlls
34. Hijacking: ActiveDesktop
Its not for computer novices to be concerned with advanced level software Firewall protection but rather for those who have more advanced skill level and want to know the truth about how well their software Firewall is currently protecting their computer running a set of Leak Tests can reveal precisely what vulnerabilities need to be addressed in order to improve their current level of protection.
~Maxx~
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The value of having top notch software Firewall protection is not a concern for many entry level Win 7 users, but for those more advanced users who can appreciate the value of knowing exactly how well their software Firewall is protecting them from common exploits like Rootkit Installations, Invasions, Injections, InfoSends, Impersonations and Hijacking then a Leak Test will let them know exactly how well thier current software Firewall protection stands up to these exploits...
1. RootkitInstallation: MissingDriverLoad
2. RootkitInstallation: LoadAndCallImage
3. RootkitInstallation: DriverSupersede
4. RootkitInstallation: ChangeDrvPath
5. Invasion: Runner
6. Invasion: RawDisk
7. Invasion: PhysicalMemory
8. Invasion: FileDrop
9. Invasion: DebugControl
10. Injection: SetWinEventHook
11. Injection: SetWindowsHookEx
12. Injection: SetThreadContext
13. Injection: Services
14. Injection: ProcessInject
15. Injection: KnownDlls
16. Injection: DupHandles
17. Injection: CreateRemoteThread
18. Injection: APC dll injection
19. Injection: AdvancedProcessTermination
20. InfoSend: ICMP Test
21. InfoSend: DNS Test
22. Impersonation: OLE automation
23. Impersonation: ExplorerAsParent
24. Impersonation: DDE
25. Impersonation: Coat
26. Impersonation: BITS
27. Hijacking: WinlogonNotify
28. Hijacking: Userinit
29. Hijacking: UIHost
30. Hijacking: SupersedeServiceDll
31. Hijacking: StartupPrograms
32. Hijacking: ChangeDebuggerPath
33. Hijacking: AppinitDlls
34. Hijacking: ActiveDesktop
Its not for computer novices to be concerned with advanced level software Firewall protection but rather for those who have more advanced skill level and want to know the truth about how well their software Firewall is currently protecting their computer running a set of Leak Tests can reveal precisely what vulnerabilities need to be addressed in order to improve their current level of protection.
~Maxx~
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Hey Maxx the last time we spoke elaborately about Comodo firewall & HIPS feature...but then i got busy & couldn't get in touch with you on that topic...Hey buddy how r u??? Ok Maxx i got the Comodo firewall only & didn't activated the AV part since i got MSE & its working fine...so just give the steps for HIPS so i can get that straight since i'm irritated with UAC pop-up for the most common & daily apps. like CCleaner,CoreTemp etc...
Turn down UAC in Control Panel>User Accounts. You don't have to install a bloatware Firewall. Use the Win7 Firewall.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker You don't have to install a bloatware Firewall. Use the Win7 Firewall.
I agree! According to Task Manager the Comodo Firewall Pro and top rated Proactive Defense+ HIPS runs for 5.2 MB RAM on my Win 7 computer. Do you know the RAM allocation of the Windows 7 Firewall for comparison?
~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by deepakumar Ok Maxx i got the Comodo firewall only & didn't activated the AV part since i got MSE & its working fine...so just give the steps for HIPS so i can get that straight since i'm irritated with UAC pop-up for the most common & daily apps. like CCleaner,CoreTemp etc...
With these settings for the Matousec Proactive Defense 148 part Security Challenge's #1 rated Firewall+HIPS software the Comodo Proactive Defense + will not only protect your computer from letting any .exe run without your express permission, but it will permanently remember your decision and never ask again thus quelling the persistant nag of Windows UAC.
As a bonus the completely free of charge Comodo Firewall Pro, Proactive Defense+ and Auto Sandboxing Feature when configured properly will get a perfect score against any and all of the 34 exploits I listed above which is 3X better than Windows Firewall usually does when leak tested. While it is true that you may never have to deal with all of those potential exploits that seek to take control of your computer and mine it for personal data its nice to know that you have the protection onboard that has a proven ability to successfully defend your computer against those threats.
~Maxx~
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Ok i've done the same...i don't need to add any programs to "Trusted files"...???i got the Comodo 5.0.162636.1135 i hope that's the Pro version??? Yeah you are right with the perfect settings my computer has always been 100% safe & secured, guaranteed when with Comodo firewall (i'm not commenting on other AV/Firewall or criticizing them as well)...Thnx Maxx
Hahahaha Greg my friend Comodo firewall is a very good firewall & my personal experience has been good since when i was using WinXP S2/3...so prefer sticking my nose with same......with HIPS on i guess don't really have to turn UAC off....but Thnx Greg my friend for the info...
...with HIPS on i guess don't really have to turn UAC off....but Thnx Greg my friend for the info... �� Quote: Originally Posted by deepakumar Hahahaha Greg my friend Comodo firewall is a very good firewall & my personal experience has been good.
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Maxx i wasn't actually taking Greg's recommendation light i agree & don't deny that Windows firewall isn't effective but it just that i'm not Ok/satisfied/don't wanna use it...whatever 1 can say, i love Comodo firewall as mentioned in above post...Greg is one of my friend who'll be all Guns blowing at my post which i love because i want some1 to find a mistake in me because only then can i improve...in two of my tutorials that i recently came up with he's the 1 guy who kept telling me what's wrong & what's need to be done...my new Guru badge is dedicated to him & Shawn the Admin....bcz they helped me to come up with those 2 tutorials...
Not 2 mention you guyzzz as well who are always there helping me out...sharing knowledge...
Not 2 mention you guyzzz as well who are always there helping me out...sharing knowledge...
Users who have a reason to use Comodo Firewall - such as to monitor all inbound or outbound traffic closely as related earlier - or any program, shouldn't feel any need to defend themselves.
My blunt comments about MSE being perfectly optimized to work with the Win7 Firewall are for the average consumer who might think that paying something is better than free, or old solutions need to be migrated to Win7 in order to gain the same hard-won performance they got in XP/Vista.
I get into even more trouble with tweakers, who (like me) were so proud of service edits and optimizations to get XP or bloated-pre-SP1 Vista running fast that they don't want to give them up, even though beta testers can testerfy that one-by-one tweaks became totally unnecessary.
Almost every day here we have a couple of strange cases without solution where suddenly OP admits they have this or that tweaking program in the mix. And unless every little tweak has a restore point, the solution is to clean reinstall and stop tweaking except for making normal system settings.
My blunt comments about MSE being perfectly optimized to work with the Win7 Firewall are for the average consumer who might think that paying something is better than free, or old solutions need to be migrated to Win7 in order to gain the same hard-won performance they got in XP/Vista.
I get into even more trouble with tweakers, who (like me) were so proud of service edits and optimizations to get XP or bloated-pre-SP1 Vista running fast that they don't want to give them up, even though beta testers can testerfy that one-by-one tweaks became totally unnecessary.
Almost every day here we have a couple of strange cases without solution where suddenly OP admits they have this or that tweaking program in the mix. And unless every little tweak has a restore point, the solution is to clean reinstall and stop tweaking except for making normal system settings.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker Users who have a reason to use Comodo Firewall - such as to monitor all inbound or outbound traffic closely as related earlier - or any program, shouldn't feel any need to defend themselves.
~Maxx~
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I'll clarify a few of my comments. First, I'm not saying that anyone installing Comodo is making a mistake. I'm just saying the vast number of people don't care or aren't aware of such apps, and many of us who do possess those skills still don't feel it is needed. I used to always recommend an extra firewall..for years...until I started looking into what the apps were phoning home for. The trusted ones, which is all I ever install outside of a VM, typically are phoning home to check for updates. I prefer that. I don't like your insinuation that only unskilled users don't need an extra firewall, but I don't need to turn this into a flamefest. You can set the Windows Firewall to monitor traffic in both directions, at the same level any other app can or is able to. So even if a person wanted that kind of detail, they can still achieve it with the built-in app. Also keep in mind, I wouldn't be taking this stance with any previous version of Windows. Part of my reason for moving away from 3rd party firewall apps is that the built-in one is actually good enough...finally.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer Consider yourself very lucky then, because I can load up two of those apps and see a decrease in disk performance. I end up seeing this a lot, due to family members thinking they need to install something they purchased, rather than ask me what the little green castle icon is on their systems.
One other point that needs to be addressed is your last comment. It isn't valid anymore to say one is a virus scanner and the other is spyware. The cloudy line between the two has pretty much been erased, and that's why it is all referred to as malware now. Both of those apps scan and detect most of the same malware, making them extremely redundant, which is why it is never recommended to run more than one real-time scanner at a time, moreso now than ever, since they all are considered malware scanners.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer Can't say I see any significant slowdown and don't forget one is an anti-virus program that also does some malware catching, the other is primarily an antispy/malware program.
One other point that needs to be addressed is your last comment. It isn't valid anymore to say one is a virus scanner and the other is spyware. The cloudy line between the two has pretty much been erased, and that's why it is all referred to as malware now. Both of those apps scan and detect most of the same malware, making them extremely redundant, which is why it is never recommended to run more than one real-time scanner at a time, moreso now than ever, since they all are considered malware scanners.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I'm just saying the vast number of people don't care or aren't aware of such apps, and many of us who do possess those skills still don't feel it is needed. Part of my reason for moving away from 3rd party firewall apps is that the built-in one is actually good enough...finally.
If the Windows 7 Firewall is good enough for you then fine, but please realize that it is programmed not to report events like the Windows\System32\rundll.exe information gathering shown above which continued on for another 2 hours which 3 hour information gathering sessions are pre-programmed into Windows 7 for the first time, but unbiased 3rd party Firewall + HIPS software like Comodo will report these activities to the user.
And if only being able to deal with 1 out of 3 of the exploits on a Leak Test is up to your highest standard of computer security then by all means continue using the Windows 7 Firewall and avoid highrt functioning Firewalls llike Comodo at all cost because its capability of scoring 100% on Leak Tests is far beyond your computer security needs and as we all know excessive computer security capability is clearly not needed in a day and age when an estimated 40,000 new exploits are released into the wild each day.
According to the Matousec Proactive Security Challenge here's another 148 reasons to avoid Comodo Firewall and Proactive Defense+ and its top rated protection which you clearly do not have any use for.
~Maxx~
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I'm just not that paranoid...it has nothing to do with skill level, so you can stop your assumptions right there. My biggest fear is what is on the outside trying to get in. I have a hardware, NAT-enabled firewall protecting me from that, along with MSE and Malwarebyte. I also use my head, follow good computing habits, and don't do anything stupid with my online time. That's plenty good enough for me, and for just about everyone else. There's nothing to be afraid of, in terms of the trusted software that I installed, wanting to phone home occasionally. I do not wear a tin foil hat, nor do I peak out my front door at night, wondering if the CIA is watching. If you choose to take things to that granular, paranoid level, go for it...but for the love of god, drop the holier-than-thou attitude about it.
Maybe this will be a better explanation:
I drive a 2005 325xi. In order for me to drive and enjoy the car, I need to know the safety ratings, fuel efficiency, what kind of gas it uses, horsepower, torque, and most importantly, how it feels and handles when I park my butt in the drivers seat and step on the gas pedal.
I do not need to know the manufactuer part number for my pistons, and the country of origin from my seatbelt latches. That's a level of granularity that some might want, but very few, and not most and not me either. I don't need to know that information to be safe in my car. To the gear heads who care about those things...that's great! But there's no reason for them to tell me I should know that..or tell me I'm wrong for not knowing that info.
Maybe this will be a better explanation:
I drive a 2005 325xi. In order for me to drive and enjoy the car, I need to know the safety ratings, fuel efficiency, what kind of gas it uses, horsepower, torque, and most importantly, how it feels and handles when I park my butt in the drivers seat and step on the gas pedal.
I do not need to know the manufactuer part number for my pistons, and the country of origin from my seatbelt latches. That's a level of granularity that some might want, but very few, and not most and not me either. I don't need to know that information to be safe in my car. To the gear heads who care about those things...that's great! But there's no reason for them to tell me I should know that..or tell me I'm wrong for not knowing that info.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I'm just not that paranoid. My biggest fear is what is on the outside trying to get in. I have a hardware, NAT-enabled firewall protecting me from that, along with MSE and Malwarebyte. I also use my head, follow good computing habits, and don't do anything stupid with my online time.
Please illuminate us as to exactly how much security is 'too much computer security' in an online environment where there are an estimated 40,000 new zero-day exploits released into the wild each and every day almost all of which are as yet undefined by any Antivirus program many of which are drive-by downloads from banners on legitimate trusted sites which even the most experienced careful operator is unaware of and are only detected by behavior based software like a HIPS or a Behavior Blocker both of which Comodo has expertly tested and top rated versions of plus Automatic Sandboxing which isolates any unknown code that tries to run.
I have a NAT-enabled hardware Firewall also and another one of the reasons I run Comodo is that I'm aware of how easily a NAT router can be hacked and its password stolen in seconds flat by even a novice hacker.
If my computer hadn't been infected before while using Windows Firewall I would have never gone in search of a multi-layered computer security solution so that my computer would hopefully never be infected again. So if you consider my wanting my computer to remain completely Malware-free where Windows Firewall failed me as 'paranoia' then fine. I consider learning from my mistakes my version of good computing habits so please forgive me for trying to warn others before its too late for them. BTW my computer has remained 100% Malware-free since I started using the multi-layered default deny features in Comodo nearly 2 years ago.
~Maxx~
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Okay... You two... New Thread.
What you two are discussing is pretty much a subject for a new thread and everyone can put their merits with regards to it there.
What you two are discussing is pretty much a subject for a new thread and everyone can put their merits with regards to it there.
Keiichi25- Another whole thread? I would think that at this point the people who value having a free top notch state of the art multi-layered default\deny computer security for their Win 7 computer would be convinced of its value and the rest would just stick with what they have and at least they would know what their options are if the Windows Firewall fails them as it has in so many professionally performed and well published computer security Leak Tests against well known exploits that potentially effect everyone.
Having easy to run advanced level computer security is like having a comprehensive insurance policy in that you hope that a tragedy won't happen that will cause you to rely upon it, but if the time comes that tragedy does strike no matter how unlikely the occurrence it will save you from ruin.
~Maxx~
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Having easy to run advanced level computer security is like having a comprehensive insurance policy in that you hope that a tragedy won't happen that will cause you to rely upon it, but if the time comes that tragedy does strike no matter how unlikely the occurrence it will save you from ruin.
~Maxx~
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It became less about convincing and more about defending what you believe about how things should be. Which kind of derails from what originally this post was about looking at ways to making Win 7 faster.
Both you and Deacon are arguing what you believe for system security, again, that can be discussed in another thread on the merits and consequences of your sides and others can pipe in on that there. For now, the whole point brought up here is the consideration with regards to speed, not the merits of a specific firewall solution.
Both you and Deacon are arguing what you believe for system security, again, that can be discussed in another thread on the merits and consequences of your sides and others can pipe in on that there. For now, the whole point brought up here is the consideration with regards to speed, not the merits of a specific firewall solution.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 For now, the whole point brought up here is the consideration with regards to speed, not the merits of a specific firewall solution.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread the Comodo Firewall is lightning fast and only consumes 5.2 MB of RAM on my computer while it renders top rated computer security. Do you know what the RAM allocation for Windows 7 Firewall is for a direct comparison of which of these software Firewalls uses the least amount of system resources and has the least drag on Win 7 performance?
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire BTW my computer has remained 100% Malware-free since I started using the multi-layered default deny features in Comodo nearly 2 years ago.
As for the performance, yes, I agree, we are derailing the point of the thread. But, if you recall, you were the one who first staed that a firewall sped up your connection speed...than backed off it when I question it. That, along with your quoted comment here, casts a shadow on credibility that you may have had before. You've been on a crusade to push your viewpoint on the rest of us, despite what several people have posted.
I said what I had to say on the subject, and it will be the last comment back and forth on this, as we've already wasted several pages going 'round in circles, all off the original topic.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire As for the performance, yes, I agree, we are derailing the point of the thread. But, if you recall, you were the one who first staed that a firewall sped up your connection speed...than backed off it when I question it.
This is the statement I made earlier in the thread...
Contrary to a slow down extremely light Comodo Firewall enabled faster performance across the board including good online performance which as a photographer who is continually processing and uploading photos to the internet is very much appreciated...
So continuing with the subject of enhanced computer performance, yes the AV Suite on a computer can have a profound effect on a computer's performance because it is one of the main software components and replacing it with a lighter application that consumes many times less system resources can speed up computer operations because it has much less of a constant drag on resources especially on resource challenged computers.
In my case I replaced a $50/year 300 MB security program that let Malware through with what eventually evolved into 5.2 MB Firewall + HIPS security program with Automatic Sandboxing which employs File System and Registry Virtualization along with Cloud Based can of all unrecognized file, Cloud Based Behavior Analysis, Heuristic Command Line Analysis and Shell Code Injection Detection...all for the low low price of absolutely FREE.
In conclusion even despite the enhanced protection my computer is more responsive and performs much faster now with the lighter software in place as it would if you replaced any 300 MB program that continually consumes system resources with software that only consumes 5.2 MB.
~Maxx~
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Dear Readers of this Thread; As we used to say back in the day..."Different strokes for different Folks" and when it comes to computer security software there is certainly a wide variety of options.
Please understand that my computer security preferences are based on having to recover from a Malware infection that occurred using the OEM computer security software that my HP computer came with and I completely understand how those who have never had to face that nightmare may not fully understand the mindset of those who have recovered and subsequently armed themselves to the teeth with the latest State of the Art computer security software in an effort to prevent future Malware infections.
If you are completely satisfied and comfortable with the Windows 7 Firewall and the capabilities of the computer security software you are now using like the Frostman is then that's just fine please just remember that there are others of us and possibly some of you who are trying to learn from our own mistakes and prevent an ugly Malware infection from reoccurring as it did when we were using basic OEM security and telling others of the solutions we have found which can also speed a computer up in the process in hopes that...
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, but an even wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.
~Maxx~
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Please understand that my computer security preferences are based on having to recover from a Malware infection that occurred using the OEM computer security software that my HP computer came with and I completely understand how those who have never had to face that nightmare may not fully understand the mindset of those who have recovered and subsequently armed themselves to the teeth with the latest State of the Art computer security software in an effort to prevent future Malware infections.
If you are completely satisfied and comfortable with the Windows 7 Firewall and the capabilities of the computer security software you are now using like the Frostman is then that's just fine please just remember that there are others of us and possibly some of you who are trying to learn from our own mistakes and prevent an ugly Malware infection from reoccurring as it did when we were using basic OEM security and telling others of the solutions we have found which can also speed a computer up in the process in hopes that...
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, but an even wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.
~Maxx~
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What was the AV or suite on your factory OEM that allowed the infection?
Most of us here advise users to ditch those as quickly as they can Revo them out to install MSE/Avast with Win7 firewall.
I have yet to hear of serious malware getting past those.
Most of us here advise users to ditch those as quickly as they can Revo them out to install MSE/Avast with Win7 firewall.
I have yet to hear of serious malware getting past those.
Greg- The Malware infection experience I described was on my HP Vista laptop which came pre-loaded with Norton and I learned the hard way about how inept it was.
A few months ago when I got my HP HPE 270f Win 7 x64 desktop computer it also came pre-installed with the Norton AV Suite and the first thing I did was to install Revo Uninstaller Pro x64 and remove Norton and all its 1,400+ Regisrty keys and values.
I know that you are a proponent of MSE/Avast with Win7 firewall which many other people on the Forum also speak well of, but as I said earlier I've been bitten before by Malware and because of that experience I prefer to run the most high tech, State of the Art, world's best testing computer security software I have been able to find which is the ultra-lightweight Comodo Firewall which must have some merit otherwise Brink would not have made a sticky post calling Windows 7 Forums Members attention to the Comodo Firewall's latest version update.
I also run my browser in the virtual space of Sandboxie which put any Antivirus I used to run out of business because the virtual space the browser runs in on the HDD is overwritten with the Schneier Algorithm in the Eraser software daily and several on demand traditional and cloud Malware and Spyware scanners including in addition to Virus Total and Comodo's Cloud Behavior Blocker are used to verify that the computer is completely and constantly clean.
From reading your many very intelligent responses to Member's computer problems you seem to be very astute when it comes to computer operation and functioning and I was wondering if you might possibly know what the computer resource allocations of the Windows 7 Firewall is in that I can not find it located either in Windows Task Manager or Sysinternal's Process Explorer.
~Maxx~
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A few months ago when I got my HP HPE 270f Win 7 x64 desktop computer it also came pre-installed with the Norton AV Suite and the first thing I did was to install Revo Uninstaller Pro x64 and remove Norton and all its 1,400+ Regisrty keys and values.
I know that you are a proponent of MSE/Avast with Win7 firewall which many other people on the Forum also speak well of, but as I said earlier I've been bitten before by Malware and because of that experience I prefer to run the most high tech, State of the Art, world's best testing computer security software I have been able to find which is the ultra-lightweight Comodo Firewall which must have some merit otherwise Brink would not have made a sticky post calling Windows 7 Forums Members attention to the Comodo Firewall's latest version update.
I also run my browser in the virtual space of Sandboxie which put any Antivirus I used to run out of business because the virtual space the browser runs in on the HDD is overwritten with the Schneier Algorithm in the Eraser software daily and several on demand traditional and cloud Malware and Spyware scanners including in addition to Virus Total and Comodo's Cloud Behavior Blocker are used to verify that the computer is completely and constantly clean.
From reading your many very intelligent responses to Member's computer problems you seem to be very astute when it comes to computer operation and functioning and I was wondering if you might possibly know what the computer resource allocations of the Windows 7 Firewall is in that I can not find it located either in Windows Task Manager or Sysinternal's Process Explorer.
~Maxx~
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Sorry Maxx I really don't get that micro into the Firewalls. It's just that I turned off the Windows Firewall in the past in XP and Vista and ran my hardware firewall to keep from being slowed down.
Realizing during beta that the Win7 was getting lighter and lighter, I used its Firewall then turned off my router firewall and gained back some speed.
The tables had been turned, and I no longer look back.
Realizing during beta that the Win7 was getting lighter and lighter, I used its Firewall then turned off my router firewall and gained back some speed.
The tables had been turned, and I no longer look back.
Greg- I also have a great appreciation for light high performance software, but having become accustomed to using a light and fast Firewall that I have set to alert me every time a program that has not already been pre-approved wants to call up to the Internet to transmit information home I have learned that almost every time a program is installed it wants to report the information it has gathered back to its programmer which is something that I was totally unaware of when I was using the Windows Firewall.
There are also quite a number of Windows programs including System32\rundll32.exe and Explorer.exe that call up frequently to the Internet which I thought was quite innocent until Comodo Defense + recorded System32\rundll32.exe making a 3 hour long information gathering tour taking a leisurely 2 minutes to create the process and execute the image of each .exe and .dll for its pre-programmed routine report to Redmond.
I consider a 3 hour long information gathering session a very serious breach of my computer's security especially when the Windows 7 Firewall is programmed to ignore it and keep the owner of the computer in the dark and unaware of this extensive information gathering. I don't know about you, but I am not a big fan of spyware, MS spyware or any other brand that takes intimate information about the functioning of my computer and broadcasts it back over the Internet to whoever programmed the software. Here's the first hour of the event...
I really like Win 7 and its my favorite of any other Windows or MAC OS that I have run, but I can not abide a Firewall that is programmed to be compliant with the unauthorized gathering and dissemination of information from my computer and I know that I am not the only one who holds this basic definition of computer security. This is why I will continue to use the Firewall that called my attention to this blatant violation of my computer's security and my own personal privacy.
Having a lightning fast software Firewall is great, but if it compromises outbound computer security then it becomes less desirable than an equally fast software Firewall that only lets out what information the user allows to be let out.
BTW- Did you ever find the system resource consumption specs on the Windows 7 Firewall?
~Maxx~
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There are also quite a number of Windows programs including System32\rundll32.exe and Explorer.exe that call up frequently to the Internet which I thought was quite innocent until Comodo Defense + recorded System32\rundll32.exe making a 3 hour long information gathering tour taking a leisurely 2 minutes to create the process and execute the image of each .exe and .dll for its pre-programmed routine report to Redmond.
I consider a 3 hour long information gathering session a very serious breach of my computer's security especially when the Windows 7 Firewall is programmed to ignore it and keep the owner of the computer in the dark and unaware of this extensive information gathering. I don't know about you, but I am not a big fan of spyware, MS spyware or any other brand that takes intimate information about the functioning of my computer and broadcasts it back over the Internet to whoever programmed the software. Here's the first hour of the event...
I really like Win 7 and its my favorite of any other Windows or MAC OS that I have run, but I can not abide a Firewall that is programmed to be compliant with the unauthorized gathering and dissemination of information from my computer and I know that I am not the only one who holds this basic definition of computer security. This is why I will continue to use the Firewall that called my attention to this blatant violation of my computer's security and my own personal privacy.
Having a lightning fast software Firewall is great, but if it compromises outbound computer security then it becomes less desirable than an equally fast software Firewall that only lets out what information the user allows to be let out.
BTW- Did you ever find the system resource consumption specs on the Windows 7 Firewall?
~Maxx~
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I have no interest in system resource use specs for the Windows firewall as if they were excessive I would still have it turned off and still be using my hardware firewall.
Again, Win7 scans your computer at all times to provide the latest updates including drivers from Win7's vast driverstore. It will also solve and cue problem reports without sending them first, which is highly valuable for troubleshooting. I have had several issues that had their fixes handed to me before or while I troubleshot them.
I am an install obsessive who applies my obsession to help others. If you are that security obsessed it would be well-directed to helping in the Security forum here where you can trace others' firewall logs as well. You could get some traction with your ideas and knowledge instead of spinning your wheels.
Again, Win7 scans your computer at all times to provide the latest updates including drivers from Win7's vast driverstore. It will also solve and cue problem reports without sending them first, which is highly valuable for troubleshooting. I have had several issues that had their fixes handed to me before or while I troubleshot them.
I am an install obsessive who applies my obsession to help others. If you are that security obsessed it would be well-directed to helping in the Security forum here where you can trace others' firewall logs as well. You could get some traction with your ideas and knowledge instead of spinning your wheels.
Greg- With all due respect toward you considering your breadth and depth of knowledge concerning all things Win 7 and all the very valuable help and insight you have freely given here on the Windows 7 Forum to so many from which I also have derived much deeper understanding of how Win 7 works the screenshot of the initial portion of the 3 hour long information gathering sessions which have no relation to Windows Update scans or problem reports was linked to directly from the Comodo Firewall Main GUI which displays the number of these kinds of intrusions openly just like it would for any other form of spyware sending information up to the Internet. In the past I've used Windows Firewall and I realize that one would seem to be security obsessed to dig for documentation concerning this kind of this kind of activity, but with the Comodo v5.0 Firewall it is just 1 mouse click away...
Sorry to have bothered all of you with this information, but the reason I mention it here is because this particular kind of pre-programmed highly detailed information gathering is new to Win 7 and did not exist in any previous Windows OS and I felt that the Membership should at least be aware of what is going on without the light and fast Windows 7 Firewall apprising them of it. See you in the System Security Forum...
~Maxx~.
Sorry to have bothered all of you with this information, but the reason I mention it here is because this particular kind of pre-programmed highly detailed information gathering is new to Win 7 and did not exist in any previous Windows OS and I felt that the Membership should at least be aware of what is going on without the light and fast Windows 7 Firewall apprising them of it. See you in the System Security Forum...
~Maxx~.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Welcome BDani,
Pro & Ultimate are very similar. I have computers running both & they do most everything I want to do.
If you fill in your computer specs, it will help us to analyze your hardware for improvements.
Pro & Ultimate are very similar. I have computers running both & they do most everything I want to do.
If you fill in your computer specs, it will help us to analyze your hardware for improvements.
thanks
The first place to start would be upgrading your graphics card. As an example the ATI Radeon 5770 in my Win 7 x64 computer gets WEI scores of 7.4 in both Graphics categories, but it also has a different processor and RAM than you are using.
~Maxx~
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~Maxx~
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by HannibalUK Hi i'm running windows 7 X64 ultimate could you maybe advise on how i could maybe make my system any faster or better if possible?
Take a look at your hardware, and then consider what you use your computer for. A gaming system would need to focus on different areas as compared to a video editing system.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire Please understand that my computer security preferences are based on having to recover from a Malware infection that occurred using the OEM computer security software that my HP computer came with and I completely understand how those who have never had to face that nightmare may not fully understand the mindset of those who have recovered and subsequently armed themselves to the teeth with the latest State of the Art computer security software in an effort to prevent future Malware infections.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire If you are completely satisfied and comfortable with the Windows 7 Firewall and the capabilities of the computer security software you are now using like the Frostman is then that's just fine please just remember that there are others of us and possibly some of you who are trying to learn from our own mistakes and prevent an ugly Malware infection from reoccurring as it did when we were using basic OEM security and telling others of the solutions we have found which can also speed a computer up in the process in hopes that...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire A wise man learns from his own mistakes, but an even wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.
Here's a quote....from me: "Just because you think differently from the masses, doesn't make you wrong. But it doesn't make us wrong by default, either." You have a way of doing something, and so do others. Neither is wrong, so stop trying to insinuate that we are wrong, or aren't as knowledgable.
Actually, one of the prime infection vectors is Cross-Site Injections which require a much higher level form of Firewall protection that I don't think is easily available to the normal market, at least, not within the price range most normal users would be willing to pay.
I have one Network Engineer who will swear a certain Firewall Appliance will prevent things like that, how, I have yet to see, although I am not actively trying to find infected sites as most of them would get me in trouble at work.
The one thing to note that harping current consumer grade firewall solutions to prove a point is becoming moot at the moment and this sort of argument should be held in the Security thread guys. And when I say moot, I mean this tirade is now beginning to sound like a political debate that reared its head into a friendly Q and A session about floral arrangements.
Maxx - I direct this to you. Just stop. Argue your points and merits in the Security forum. You have done enough here, but this has really got to stop.
Deacon - Just stop responding to Maxx about it. If you want to argue further about it, do it on the Security Forums thread or just let it be.
I have one Network Engineer who will swear a certain Firewall Appliance will prevent things like that, how, I have yet to see, although I am not actively trying to find infected sites as most of them would get me in trouble at work.
The one thing to note that harping current consumer grade firewall solutions to prove a point is becoming moot at the moment and this sort of argument should be held in the Security thread guys. And when I say moot, I mean this tirade is now beginning to sound like a political debate that reared its head into a friendly Q and A session about floral arrangements.
Maxx - I direct this to you. Just stop. Argue your points and merits in the Security forum. You have done enough here, but this has really got to stop.
Deacon - Just stop responding to Maxx about it. If you want to argue further about it, do it on the Security Forums thread or just let it be.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost If you are interested in pure performance, ignore the WEI, as it isn't a benchmarking tool, and has been relegated to a near complete waste of time. It was meant to give a rating so a non-tech user could figure out of an app or a game would run on their system...nothing more.
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The Windows Experience Index measures the capability of your computer's hardware and software configuration and expresses this measurement as a number called a base score. A higher base score generally means that your computer will perform better and faster than a computer with a lower base score, especially when performing more advanced and resource-intensive tasks.
In short, it's meant to compare systems against one another. Is it foolproof, No... But then again, no program is.
The by-product is....
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You can use the base score to confidently buy programs and other software that are matched to your computer's base score. For example, if your computer has a base score of 3.3, then you can confidently purchase any software designed for this version of Windows that requires a computer with a base score of 3 or lower.
It depends on how much time, effort, and money you want to put in, and if it's worth it in the end.
My two cents.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost If you are interested in pure performance, ignore the WEI, as it isn't a benchmarking tool, and has been relegated to a near complete waste of time. It was meant to give a rating so a non-tech user could figure out of an app or a game would run on their system...nothing more.
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The Windows Experience Index measures the capability of your computer's hardware and software configuration and expresses this measurement as a number called a base score. A higher base score generally means that your computer will perform better and faster than a computer with a lower base score, especially when performing more advanced and resource-intensive tasks.
In short, it's meant to compare systems against one another. Is it foolproof, No... But then again, no program is.
As to making a system "faster".... there are hundreds of ways to make a system faster, from hardware/software upgrades to overclocks to tweaking Windows, so no one answer is a fix all.
It depends on how much time, effort, and money you want to put in, and if it's worth it in the end.
My two cents.
Identifying how the computer is going to be used, will invariably lead to several proper answers to help speed a system. For instance, identifying a need for a business Desktop versus an ACAD desktop user means focusing on having the right type of video card to handle the graphics process as well as what certain hardware focus should be placed. Not all desktop designs will favor certain kinds of hardware or will allow optimal performance because of the myriad type of programs one might need.
Going based on Gaming versus just business desktop, you will have to know that some AV suites may not be ideal given how they tend to act under certain conditions as well as some hardware requirements, you may not want certain cards due to known issues due to driver implementation. Just last week, World of Warcraft introduced their 4.0.1 Patch and introduced a whole slew of problems, which some were implementation errors that people had to put in what you could do to mitigate some of it, such as weird sound delays were due to some users having Windows use Hardware Acceleration. While it worked fine for me using a Creative X-Fi card, two people I know were having problems using Realtek Sound cards.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 Deacon - Just stop responding to Maxx about it. If you want to argue further about it, do it on the Security Forums thread or just let it be.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 In short, it's meant to compare systems against one another. Is it foolproof, No... But then again, no program is.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by HannibalUK Hi i'm running windows 7 X64 ultimate could you maybe advise on how i could maybe make my system any faster or better if possible?
Take a look at your hardware, and then consider what you use your computer for. A gaming system would need to focus on different areas as compared to a video editing system.
That's cleared that up
thanks
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost The reason I said it wasn't a benchmark, is that it isn't very accurate at all in determining a system's performance. If you read some other forums, like the [H]ardForums, you'll find plenty of threads mocking the tool overall. We've done some tests over there, and have been able to get differing scores just be rerunning the test. It was created to serve a purpose for the non-tech savvy community, but unfortunately, I have yet to see a game or app on a retail shelf use the scoring system.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
Bottom line.... If you want to benchmark your system.... WEI isn't it. If you want to compare two systems.... WEI is a quick way to "visually" do so.
Anyway I'm getting off the subject. Sorry.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost The reason I said it wasn't a benchmark, is that it isn't very accurate at all in determining a system's performance. If you read some other forums, like the [H]ardForums, you'll find plenty of threads mocking the tool overall. We've done some tests over there, and have been able to get differing scores just be rerunning the test. It was created to serve a purpose for the non-tech savvy community, but unfortunately, I have yet to see a game or app on a retail shelf use the scoring system.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
And to be honest, the normal, non-technical computer user will not know his computer has certain attributes, like video card, processor or memory. They will remember the model of the computer, but not much else. The WEI dumbs it down enough to give a user a rough idea and then they apply it to what the game says it might need. Better the number, higher chance of it working for the games.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost The reason I said it wasn't a benchmark, is that it isn't very accurate at all in determining a system's performance. If you read some other forums, like the [H]ardForums, you'll find plenty of threads mocking the tool overall. We've done some tests over there, and have been able to get differing scores just be rerunning the test. It was created to serve a purpose for the non-tech savvy community, but unfortunately, I have yet to see a game or app on a retail shelf use the scoring system.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
You really can't take a look at your WEI score and use that as a basis for upgrading your computer. You could build identical systems, and get differing results as well. Besides, you can easily make your computer score 7.9s across the board.
It's only real function is making sure the system is aware of it's capabilities, so you an enable Aero.
Bottom line.... If you want to benchmark your system.... WEI isn't it. If you want to compare two systems.... WEI is a quick way to "visually" do so.
Anyway I'm getting off the subject. Sorry.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 I know, for instance, some games Post-Vista are using the WEI as a means to say, "Your computer needs to be at this level to handle it."
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 I know, for instance, some games Post-Vista are using the WEI as a means to say, "Your computer needs to be at this level to handle it."
Ah, I see what you mean. I've seen that in Games Explorer before. I meant that the retail packaging would have listings, so you could pick up the game in a store and know if it would run on your system or not.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost Ah, I see what you mean. I've seen that in Games Explorer before. I meant that the retail packaging would have listings, so you could pick up the game in a store and know if it would run on your system or not.
I would, however, believe that the WEI would be a word of mouth type thing, as again, most people will go, "I saw this game on so and so's computer... I wonder if I can run it on mine."
WEI Game score recommendations (for games I have installed).....
- Borderlands - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Dragon Age: Origins - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Mass Effect (released in 2008) - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
My current rating is 5.9 due to my mechanical HD score, otherwise my lowest 7 score is 7.6
- Borderlands - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Dragon Age: Origins - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Mass Effect (released in 2008) - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
My current rating is 5.9 due to my mechanical HD score, otherwise my lowest 7 score is 7.6
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 Don't think they have done that quite just yet... Mostly cause of so many XP machines out there and the complete lack of 'WEI' in XP at this time.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 WEI Game score recommendations (for games I have installed).....
- Borderlands - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Dragon Age: Origins - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Mass Effect (released in 2008) - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
My current rating is 5.9 due to my mechanical HD score, otherwise my lowest 7 score is 7.6
- Borderlands - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Dragon Age: Origins - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
- Mass Effect (released in 2008) - Recommended...4.0, Required...5.0
My current rating is 5.9 due to my mechanical HD score, otherwise my lowest 7 score is 7.6
After the games are installed.
Never noticed a score on the box itself. In fact looking at the physical box of Borderlands reveals no such WEI score requirement.
Here's Mass Effect.....
Never noticed a score on the box itself. In fact looking at the physical box of Borderlands reveals no such WEI score requirement.
Here's Mass Effect.....
I expected to see that info in Games Explorer, but you've already purchased the game...what if your system couldn't handle it? The boxes were supposed to contain the minimum requirements, so consumers would know ahead of time.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I expected to see that info in Games Explorer, but you've already purchased the game...what if your system couldn't handle it? The boxes were supposed to contain the minimum requirements, so consumers would know ahead of time.
I suppose Microsoft would like to see this as well....
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You can use the base score to confidently buy programs and other software that are matched to your computer's base score. For example, if your computer has a base score of 3.3, then you can confidently purchase any software designed for this version of Windows that requires a computer with a base score of 3 or lower.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost I expected to see that info in Games Explorer, but you've already purchased the game...what if your system couldn't handle it? The boxes were supposed to contain the minimum requirements, so consumers would know ahead of time.
I suppose Microsoft would like to see this as well....
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You can use the base score to confidently buy programs and other software that are matched to your computer's base score. For example, if your computer has a base score of 3.3, then you can confidently purchase any software designed for this version of Windows that requires a computer with a base score of 3 or lower.
I know quite a few people who think HD space == RAM, or not sure if their Video Card is quite 'up to snuff' with some of the system requirements. Heck, most people don't realize that Windows 7 uses Direct X 11 or know if their card is Direct X 11 capable, hell, I didn't, but most of my games are Direct X 9.0c, Halo being the only Direct X 10 game I have because it was 'made for Vista'.
That has nothing to do with the "fact" that this info IS listed. If you chose not to read system requirements, you're asking for trouble.
This is no different than any other item that comes with instructions. I can provide instructions, It's up to you to read/use them.
My two cent.
As a side note....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 See this.... Tips on Troubleshooting Game Issues, steps 5 & 6
This is no different than any other item that comes with instructions. I can provide instructions, It's up to you to read/use them.
My two cent.
As a side note....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 Heck, most people don't realize that Windows 7 uses Direct X 11 or know if their card is Direct X 11 capable, hell, I didn't, but most of my games are Direct X 9.0c, Halo being the only Direct X 10 game I have because it was 'made for Vista'.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 That has nothing to do with the "fact" that this info IS listed. If you chose not to read system requirements, you're asking for trouble.
This is no different than any other item that comes with instructions. I can provide instructions, It's up to you to read/use them.
My two cent.
As a side note....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 See this.... Tips on Troubleshooting Game Issues, steps 5 & 6
This is no different than any other item that comes with instructions. I can provide instructions, It's up to you to read/use them.
My two cent.
As a side note....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 Heck, most people don't realize that Windows 7 uses Direct X 11 or know if their card is Direct X 11 capable, hell, I didn't, but most of my games are Direct X 9.0c, Halo being the only Direct X 10 game I have because it was 'made for Vista'.
From my own experience 20 years ago as a 13 year old kid taking tickets at a high school football game, people twice to three times my age would come up to me and ask, "Is this where we buy our tickets?" Despite the big sign, right next to me saying 'Tickets are sold at the booth (With a big arrow pointing to the booth).
This current generation of computer users aren't going to remember their Video Card, or their Processor or the memory. They only know it is a computer running Windows XP, or Vista or 7 or whatever.
As for my earlier statement, I stated I didn't know if my card was Direct X 11 or not because part of the thing that comes into play, besides hardware is whether or not they made drivers for it. Most games of late have not really made use of Direct X 10 or 11, and WoW had a feature flag to enable Direct X 11 handling, but someone mentioned it might not work well for computers who don't have Direct X 11 based cards. I didn't know for sure if mine was stuck at 10 (An nVidia 250 GTX based card) or if the drivers I used to get it working under windows 7 would support Direct X 11 until later one looking at the Dxdiag and seeind the DDI version was 10, not all.
Point is, most users won't know where to look or bother knowing to look. That is where the WEI comes in for a rough guestimate for the non-technical type people.
We're getting way off the subject of this post...to the point of hijacking it.
Anyways my points are...
1- WEI is not a benchmarking tool but a comparision tool
2- System requirements are posted on software. If people choose to ignore them, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Other than that, we can create another thread to debate the merrits of my points.
As to the topic of DX11, my link and the steps I told you to look at explains how DX11 works in relationship to games, OS, and video card.
Peace
Anyways my points are...
1- WEI is not a benchmarking tool but a comparision tool
2- System requirements are posted on software. If people choose to ignore them, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Other than that, we can create another thread to debate the merrits of my points.
As to the topic of DX11, my link and the steps I told you to look at explains how DX11 works in relationship to games, OS, and video card.
Peace
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 System requirements are posted on software. If people choose to ignore them, they have no one to blame but themselves.
You are right, we are derailing again for the wrong reasons. And yes, I wouldn't really consider the WEI as a good benchmark, but then again, most people don't know how benchmarking programs really 'rate' their system beyond knowing a 'higher number is better' or which program they should use to look at that.
The only other 'benchmark' is just user perception, which, in past experience with some users, is just as flawed as using the WEI, but of course, Watch Pot and all.
The only other 'benchmark' is just user perception, which, in past experience with some users, is just as flawed as using the WEI, but of course, Watch Pot and all.
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