hello again in trouble land!
after my bios & fan trouble, i took the chance of letting driver genius update the drivers. it found some realtec, nvidia and some more chip and intel stuff to update.
did a system restore.
now suddenly windows cant recognize to HD's on the system.
i went to manage- and it shows them as unallocated !!!
and now i it tells me there's no system restore point!
*i won't do a thing until you advise me !
please tell me there's no harm!
:
after my bios & fan trouble, i took the chance of letting driver genius update the drivers. it found some realtec, nvidia and some more chip and intel stuff to update.
did a system restore.
now suddenly windows cant recognize to HD's on the system.
i went to manage- and it shows them as unallocated !!!
and now i it tells me there's no system restore point!
*i won't do a thing until you advise me !
please tell me there's no harm!
: please, anyone? i'm about to take my special occasion clonex...
* these two HD's are IDE - the system drive is sata..
tried disconnecting them and let windows recognize them again but it's the same.
i cannot find any reason for them to be suddenly erased due to some driver updates,
so i'm still trying to be optimistic.
however, this driver genius "told" me it's doing a restore point - but windows claims there's none. what the hell happened?? couldn't find any help searching here or googling.
and no, i didn't back up my drivers.
* these two HD's are IDE - the system drive is sata..
tried disconnecting them and let windows recognize them again but it's the same.
i cannot find any reason for them to be suddenly erased due to some driver updates,
so i'm still trying to be optimistic.
however, this driver genius "told" me it's doing a restore point - but windows claims there's none. what the hell happened?? couldn't find any help searching here or googling.
and no, i didn't back up my drivers.
hi dont panic this happened after you updated drivers?
have you data on the two drives? you may have lost it if so Right click the unpartitioned spaces and hit create partition.
It will partition, format, and assign a drive letter.
It will partition, format, and assign a drive letter.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion 
hi dont panic this happened after you updated drivers?
after the bios update they were fine
ok i'm calm and ready for action
Try starting windows in safe mode and see if the drives become visible again....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz tried disconnecting them and let windows recognize them again but it's the same.
When you install the new drivers, please make sure to uninstall the current, broken drivers for those drives before installing the drivers from the manufacturer's website.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Purkinje �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz tried disconnecting them and let windows recognize them again but it's the same.
When you install the new drivers, please make sure to uninstall the current, broken drivers for those drives before installing the drivers from the manufacturer's website.
when you updated the bios everything was ok then? its since you updated the drives then tried a system restore? have you the windows disk or a recovery disk?
i didn't update the drives, sorry if misunderstood.
i updated SOME random drivers recommended by the genious..
did this a few times before..
i updated SOME random drivers recommended by the genious..
did this a few times before..
right the operating system is ok your two drives windows dont recognize go to device manager and see if the drives are there
tried safe mode but they even don't exist there.
on full windows mode i can see them on disk management like the attachment above.
and they exist in device manager
on full windows mode i can see them on disk management like the attachment above.
and they exist in device manager
in device manager right click on the drives you have trouble with and go to properties and update drivers?
windows deremined the driver is up to date
At this point, If I were in this situation I'd take the drives over to another working computer and try installing them there and see if they show up with my data. If they are blank there too then the solution may be in the realm of finding some disk/partition rescue software and trying to get the data restored...
But definately don't repartition or reformat the drives if there is anything you want off of them.
But definately don't repartition or reformat the drives if there is anything you want off of them.
try this windows fix 
Hardware devices are not working or are not detected in Windows
Hardware devices are not working or are not detected in Windows �� Quote: Originally Posted by fseal . If they are blank there too then the solution may be in the realm of finding some disk/partition rescue software and trying to get the data restored...
or uninstall the drivers for the 2 discs in device manager turn pc of unplug drives replug drives and re boot not the operating one
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion try this windows fix Hardware devices are not working or are not detected in Windows
Hardware devices are not working or are not detected in Windows�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion try this windows fix Hardware devices are not working or are not detected in Windows
Hardware devices are not working or are not detected in Windows�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion or uninstall the drivers for the 2 discs in device manager turn pc of unplug drives replug drives and re boot not the operating one
if you right click on the drives in disk management what options does windows give you? i think you can allocate a drive without formating it
have you checked the bios for the drives in there?
No hard drives show up:
Make sure both of the drives aren't set for the same setting (master or slave).
Verify the drive is enabled in system BIOS. If not, select the auto-detect option.
No hard drives show up:
Make sure both of the drives aren't set for the same setting (master or slave).
Verify the drive is enabled in system BIOS. If not, select the auto-detect option.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion have you checked the bios for the drives in there?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion if you right click on the drives in disk management what options does windows give you? i think you can allocate a drive without formating it
-update driver software
- disable
-uninstall
- scan for hardware changes
- properties
sorry i mean in the box in the drives in the pic right click
Install Hard Drive - A guide to installing a IDE hard drive have a read in this web site i have to get some sleep its gone 12 here but i will be back in the morning ok
not much...
thanks for the efforts till now.
thanks for the efforts till now.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz not much...
thanks for the efforts till now.
thanks for the efforts till now.
i would try and boot into a linux live distro like ubuntu to see if there is any data on the drives
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/downloadyou dont have to install it you boot it LIVE you download the iso image burn it to a cd/dvd or thumb drive using
Active@ ISO Burner 2.1 (Freeware) http://www.ntfs.com/iso_burner_free.htmthe website of ubuntu explains it very well
Given recent experience with Windows disk management I would also be looking at the situation with Partition Wizard Bootable CD (well respected by forum members).
Windows has an iso burn capability built in. Double click on iso or select .iso file in windows explorer > open > Windows Disc Image Burner.
Windows has an iso burn capability built in. Double click on iso or select .iso file in windows explorer > open > Windows Disc Image Burner.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion what are the size of the drives are they the size as windows is showing?
i'll try the ubuntu.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf Given recent experience with Windows disk management I would also be looking at the situation with Partition Wizard Bootable CD (well respected by forum members).
Windows has an iso burn capability built in. Double click on iso or select .iso file in windows explorer > open > Windows Disc Image Burner.
Windows has an iso burn capability built in. Double click on iso or select .iso file in windows explorer > open > Windows Disc Image Burner.
but would it help me see the data on them?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf Given recent experience with Windows disk management I would also be looking at the situation with Partition Wizard Bootable CD (well respected by forum members).
Windows has an iso burn capability built in. Double click on iso or select .iso file in windows explorer > open > Windows Disc Image Burner.
Windows has an iso burn capability built in. Double click on iso or select .iso file in windows explorer > open > Windows Disc Image Burner.
have you got the windows disc?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion have you got the windows disc?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion have you got the windows disc?
BOOT WITH UBUNTU
1. If you're using a CD: Put the Ubuntu CD into the CD/DVD-drive and restart the computer. You should see a welcome screen prompting you to choose your language and giving you the option to install Ubuntu or try it from the CD.
If you don't get this menu, read the booting From the CD guide for more information. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD
If your computer does not automatically do so, you might need to edit the BIOS settings. Restart your computer, and watch for a message telling you which key to press to enter the BIOS setup. It will usually be one of F1, F2, DEL, ESC or F10. Press this key while your computer is booting to edit your BIOS settings.
You need to edit the Boot Order. Depending on your computer, and how your USB key was formatted, you should see an entry for 'removable drive' or 'USB media'. Move this to the top of the list to force the computer to attempt to boot from USB before booting from the hard disk. Save your changes and continue.
2. Choose your preferred language and click on 'Try Ubuntu 10.10'
1. If you're using a CD: Put the Ubuntu CD into the CD/DVD-drive and restart the computer. You should see a welcome screen prompting you to choose your language and giving you the option to install Ubuntu or try it from the CD.
If you don't get this menu, read the booting From the CD guide for more information.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCDIf your computer does not automatically do so, you might need to edit the BIOS settings. Restart your computer, and watch for a message telling you which key to press to enter the BIOS setup. It will usually be one of F1, F2, DEL, ESC or F10. Press this key while your computer is booting to edit your BIOS settings.
You need to edit the Boot Order. Depending on your computer, and how your USB key was formatted, you should see an entry for 'removable drive' or 'USB media'. Move this to the top of the list to force the computer to attempt to boot from USB before booting from the hard disk. Save your changes and continue.
2. Choose your preferred language and click on 'Try Ubuntu 10.10'
this weird but at least half of the problem solved
ubuntu recognized one drive and it looks as it's fine.
but didn't recognize at all the second one.
so what to do next?
ubuntu recognized one drive and it looks as it's fine.
but didn't recognize at all the second one.
so what to do next?
have you clicked on the drives to open it up?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion have you clicked on the drives to open it up?
all files and folders look ok.
i'm half worried.
can you please divide the steps to do now?
- in order to bring the recognized drive back to window with the data..
- what to do with the unrecognized drive? (unfortunately he's the most important)
thanks- your help is greatly appreciated
yes i am trying o work this out for you im researching on the internet why windows does not recognize your drives something happened when you used the third party driver software.
i have to go now.
i'll be back in 2-3 hours.. if you have the time and find info/help for me, i'll get right on it afterwards.
many thanks !
i'll be back in 2-3 hours.. if you have the time and find info/help for me, i'll get right on it afterwards.
many thanks !
Masters and Slaves IDE
A single IDE interface can support two devices. Most motherboards come with dual IDE interfaces (primary and secondary) for up to four IDE devices. Because the controller is integrated with the drive, there is no overall controller to decide which device is currently communicating with the computer. This is not a problem as long as each device is on a separate interface, but adding support for a second drive on the same cable took some ingenuity.
To allow for two drives on the same cable, IDE uses a special configuration called master and slave. This configuration allows one drive's controller to tell the other drive when it can transfer data to or from the computer. What happens is the slave drive makes a request to the master drive, which checks to see if it is currently communicating with the computer. If the master drive is idle, it tells the slave drive to go ahead. If the master drive is communicating with the computer, it tells the slave drive to wait and then informs it when it can go ahead.
The computer determines if there is a second (slave) drive attached through the use of Pin 39 on the connector. Pin 39 carries a special signal, called Drive Active/Slave Present (DASP), that checks to see if a slave drive is present.
Although it will work in either position, it is recommended that the master drive is attached to the connector at the very end of the IDE ribbon cable. Then, a jumper on the back of the drive next to the IDE connector must be set in the correct position to identify the drive as the master drive. The slave drive must have either the master jumper removed or a special slave jumper set, depending on the drive. Also, the slave drive is attached to the connector near the middle of the IDE ribbon cable. Each drive's controller board looks at the jumper setting to determine whether it is a slave or a master. This tells them how to perform. Every drive is capable of being either slave or master when you receive it from the manufacturer. If only one drive is installed, it should always be the master drive.
Many drives feature an option called Cable Select (CS). With the correct type of IDE ribbon cable, these drives can be auto configured as master or slave. CS works like this: A jumper on each drive is set to the CS option. The cable itself is just like a normal IDE cable except for one difference -- Pin 28 only connects to the master drive connector. When your computer is powered up, the IDE interface sends a signal along the wire for Pin 28. Only the drive attached to the master connector receives the signal. That drive then configures itself as the master drive. Since the other drive received no signal, it defaults to slave mode.
A single IDE interface can support two devices. Most motherboards come with dual IDE interfaces (primary and secondary) for up to four IDE devices. Because the controller is integrated with the drive, there is no overall controller to decide which device is currently communicating with the computer. This is not a problem as long as each device is on a separate interface, but adding support for a second drive on the same cable took some ingenuity.
To allow for two drives on the same cable, IDE uses a special configuration called master and slave. This configuration allows one drive's controller to tell the other drive when it can transfer data to or from the computer. What happens is the slave drive makes a request to the master drive, which checks to see if it is currently communicating with the computer. If the master drive is idle, it tells the slave drive to go ahead. If the master drive is communicating with the computer, it tells the slave drive to wait and then informs it when it can go ahead.
The computer determines if there is a second (slave) drive attached through the use of Pin 39 on the connector. Pin 39 carries a special signal, called Drive Active/Slave Present (DASP), that checks to see if a slave drive is present.
Although it will work in either position, it is recommended that the master drive is attached to the connector at the very end of the IDE ribbon cable. Then, a jumper on the back of the drive next to the IDE connector must be set in the correct position to identify the drive as the master drive. The slave drive must have either the master jumper removed or a special slave jumper set, depending on the drive. Also, the slave drive is attached to the connector near the middle of the IDE ribbon cable. Each drive's controller board looks at the jumper setting to determine whether it is a slave or a master. This tells them how to perform. Every drive is capable of being either slave or master when you receive it from the manufacturer. If only one drive is installed, it should always be the master drive.
Many drives feature an option called Cable Select (CS). With the correct type of IDE ribbon cable, these drives can be auto configured as master or slave. CS works like this: A jumper on each drive is set to the CS option. The cable itself is just like a normal IDE cable except for one difference -- Pin 28 only connects to the master drive connector. When your computer is powered up, the IDE interface sends a signal along the wire for Pin 28. Only the drive attached to the master connector receives the signal. That drive then configures itself as the master drive. Since the other drive received no signal, it defaults to slave mode.
ok, thanks.
i recon there's some confusion in my tower.
so what's the next step i need to check?
the main system sata drive is on the lower part of the tower.
i'm unsure of their hierarchy and my next steps.
i recon there's some confusion in my tower.
so what's the next step i need to check?
the main system sata drive is on the lower part of the tower.
i'm unsure of their hierarchy and my next steps.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz ok, thanks.
i recon there's some confusion in my tower.
so what's the next step i need to check?
the main system sata drive is on the lower part of the tower.
i'm unsure of their hierarchy and my next steps.
i recon there's some confusion in my tower.
so what's the next step i need to check?
the main system sata drive is on the lower part of the tower.
i'm unsure of their hierarchy and my next steps.
gregrocker and yowanvista im wondering if you repair windows with the windows disc it will reset the drives for you
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion How to Do a Repair Install to Fix Windows 7 brinks tutorial
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This is a chronic problem with these driver update programs which are absolutely unnecessary in Windows 7, which has the drivers in it's installer or quickly updated via optional Windows Updates. You used 67 Dodge Dart (XP) repair tools on a new Lexus.
Boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to System Restore back until the problem goes away. You may need your earliest restore point, or a Win7 Backup Image if you made one. System Repair Disc - Create
If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
Your data is most likely there, but just not being read on this machine until you reverse an incorrect IDE controller driver provided by the crapware program.
If all else fails, I would try a Repair Install which may sort out the mess which has been made.
If you decide to reinstall, wipe the HD of any corrupt or possibly infected code, keep all other HD's unplugged during reinstall. re-install windows 7
Boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to System Restore back until the problem goes away. You may need your earliest restore point, or a Win7 Backup Image if you made one. System Repair Disc - Create
If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
Your data is most likely there, but just not being read on this machine until you reverse an incorrect IDE controller driver provided by the crapware program.
If all else fails, I would try a Repair Install which may sort out the mess which has been made.
If you decide to reinstall, wipe the HD of any corrupt or possibly infected code, keep all other HD's unplugged during reinstall. re-install windows 7
i had something like that happen to me abit back .can't remember what i was doing to the system at the time but i was able to fix it by assigning the drives a new letter .after that the drives came backup and no data was lost.
hope that helps ...
scrooge
hope that helps ...
scrooge
�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker This is a chronic problem with these driver update programs which are absolutely unnecessary in Windows 7, which has the drivers in it's installer or quickly updated via optional Windows Updates. You used 67 Dodge Dart (XP) repair tools on a new Lexus.
Boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to System Restore back until the problem goes away. You may need your earliest restore point, or a Win7 Backup Image if you made one. System Repair Disc - Create
If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
Attachment 120496
Your data is most likely there, but just not being read on this machine until you reverse an incorrect IDE controller driver provided by the crapware program.
If all else fails, I would try a Repair Install which may sort out the mess which has been made.
If you decide to reinstall, wipe the HD of any corrupt or possibly infected code, keep all other HD's unplugged during reinstall. re-install windows 7
Boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to System Restore back until the problem goes away. You may need your earliest restore point, or a Win7 Backup Image if you made one. System Repair Disc - Create
If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
Attachment 120496
Your data is most likely there, but just not being read on this machine until you reverse an incorrect IDE controller driver provided by the crapware program.
If all else fails, I would try a Repair Install which may sort out the mess which has been made.
If you decide to reinstall, wipe the HD of any corrupt or possibly infected code, keep all other HD's unplugged during reinstall. re-install windows 7
if i'm in the recovery cd i WILL find a restore point ?
i don't have an image backup and just reinstalled windows 2 week ago and don't want to do all that again.
if there is no restore point to be found even on recovery cd process should i uninstall the driver and look for earlier drivers on regular windows loading?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by scrooge i had something like that happen to me abit back .can't remember what i was doing to the system at the time but i was able to fix it by assigning the drives a new letter .after that the drives came backup and no data was lost.
hope that helps ...
scrooge
hope that helps ...
scrooge
�� Quote: Originally Posted by OldMX (i don't have any space if i need to transfer data or such)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker This is a chronic problem with these driver update programs which are absolutely unnecessary in Windows 7, which has the drivers in it's installer or quickly updated via optional Windows Updates. You used 67 Dodge Dart (XP) repair tools on a new Lexus.
Boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to System Restore back until the problem goes away. You may need your earliest restore point, or a Win7 Backup Image if you made one. System Repair Disc - Create
If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
Attachment 120496
Your data is most likely there, but just not being read on this machine until you reverse an incorrect IDE controller driver provided by the crapware program.
If all else fails, I would try a Repair Install which may sort out the mess which has been made.
If you decide to reinstall, wipe the HD of any corrupt or possibly infected code, keep all other HD's unplugged during reinstall. re-install windows 7
Boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to System Restore back until the problem goes away. You may need your earliest restore point, or a Win7 Backup Image if you made one. System Repair Disc - Create
If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
Attachment 120496
Your data is most likely there, but just not being read on this machine until you reverse an incorrect IDE controller driver provided by the crapware program.
If all else fails, I would try a Repair Install which may sort out the mess which has been made.
If you decide to reinstall, wipe the HD of any corrupt or possibly infected code, keep all other HD's unplugged during reinstall. re-install windows 7
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion im wondering if you repair windows with the windows disc it will reset the drives for you
i got this "load saved windows image" which i don't have, also not big chance of getting a restore point cause i don't find any now.
on that options window i had "load drivers" - for inserting window original cd..
and "next"..
also- i don't have a rolling back option on drive properties.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion How to Do a Repair Install to Fix Windows 7 brinks tutorial
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i no you dont want to reinstall windows but it seems to be the best option that's the driver installed now:
(credit gregrocker)If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
but they also don't have an option for roll back
download this program DriverView v1.25 - Loaded Windows Drivers List by nirsoft DriverView: Loaded Windows Drivers List
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion download this program DriverView v1.25 - Loaded Windows Drivers List by nirsoft DriverView: Loaded Windows Drivers List
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
ok i'll do that but which of THOSE are the most important to fix? all?
because the last two with the long name DO have roll back option.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion If this fails try Rolling Back your IDE Storage controller driver in Device Manager then restart the computer. It may be necessary to change the driver by selecting Browse and then Select from List to determine which is the old driver:
but they also don't have an option for roll back
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion download this program DriverView v1.25 - Loaded Windows Drivers List by nirsoft DriverView: Loaded Windows Drivers List
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
ok i'll do that but which of THOSE are the most important to fix? all?
because the last two with the long name DO have roll back option.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion download this program DriverView v1.25 - Loaded Windows Drivers List by nirsoft DriverView: Loaded Windows Drivers List
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
DriverView utility displays the list of all device drivers currently loaded on your system. For each driver in the list, additional useful information is displayed: load address of the driver, description, version, product name, company that created the driver, and more.
ok i'll do that but which of THOSE are the most important to fix? all?
because the last two with the long name DO have roll back option.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz thanks brian for these "adventure" help. now it's getting intersting
ok i'll do that but which of THOSE are the most important to fix? all?
because the last two with the long name DO have roll back option.
yup. reboot the other one?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz yup. reboot the other one?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz yup. reboot the other one?
ok- what to try next?
cant think of anything else at the moment apart from re-install 
maybe now to try shut down- unplug- load without- shutdown- plug again ?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz maybe now to try shut down- unplug- load without- shutdown- plug again ?
have a read of this and see if it helps Installing a Hard Drive
tried unpluging etc.. same
i am looking for one of these for you you have a search to IDE to SATA Adapter - Converts IDE Drive to SATA Interface
best i can findhttp://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-BIR-ID.../ref=pd_cp_e_3
http://www.amazon.com/SATA-IDE-Drive.../ref=pd_cp_e_0
best i can find
http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-BIR-ID.../ref=pd_cp_e_3http://www.amazon.com/SATA-IDE-Drive.../ref=pd_cp_e_0
i'll look into Israel options
i found some options in israel for around 20$.
but hey- how is that suppose to help ?
it will just read the drive the same no?
you think this can solve it?
but hey- how is that suppose to help ?
it will just read the drive the same no?
you think this can solve it?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz i found some options in israel for around 20$.
but hey- how is that suppose to help ?
it will just read the drive the same no?
you think this can solve it?
but hey- how is that suppose to help ?
it will just read the drive the same no?
you think this can solve it?
Amazon.com: Syba SY-BIR-IDESA IDE/SATA Converter Bi-Directional IDE to SATA: Electronics this looks good they deliver worldwide i think
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...?nodeId=596204
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...?nodeId=596204
a good one IOMAX Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics
Specifications & Features
- Allows SATA storage device to be used on an IDE motherboard or IDE storage device to be used on a SATA motherboard
- No drivers required
- 40 pin IDE Female connector
- 7 pin SATA Male connector
- LP4 (Male) to SP4 (Female) power cable
- Supports ATA 133/100/66 and ATAPI devices
- Compliant with Serial ATA 1.0 Specification
Package Contents
- Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter
- SATA Data Cable
- Power Cable (to power the converter)
- User Manual
Please Note:
Connect SATA drive to IDE motherboard
If you do not have a power supply that provides you with a SATA power cable, then you will need to purchase a SATA power cable.
Connect IDE drive to SATA motherboard
If you do not have a power supply that provides you with Molex power cables, then you will need to purchase SATA to Molex Power Adapters.
Specifications & Features
- Allows SATA storage device to be used on an IDE motherboard or IDE storage device to be used on a SATA motherboard
- No drivers required
- 40 pin IDE Female connector
- 7 pin SATA Male connector
- LP4 (Male) to SP4 (Female) power cable
- Supports ATA 133/100/66 and ATAPI devices
- Compliant with Serial ATA 1.0 Specification
Package Contents
- Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter
- SATA Data Cable
- Power Cable (to power the converter)
- User Manual
Please Note:
Connect SATA drive to IDE motherboard
If you do not have a power supply that provides you with a SATA power cable, then you will need to purchase a SATA power cable.
Connect IDE drive to SATA motherboard
If you do not have a power supply that provides you with Molex power cables, then you will need to purchase SATA to Molex Power Adapters.
Brianzion outstanding job here
@ rozroz, at this point in time I think your best solution is to do a repair install as suggested here - oh no- updated some drivers - to HD's turned unallocated !
Backup whatever files you can and try the Repair Install
I know you said you don't want to do this, but at this point you have nothing to loose, and everything to gain.
My two cents
@ rozroz, at this point in time I think your best solution is to do a repair install as suggested here - oh no- updated some drivers - to HD's turned unallocated !
Backup whatever files you can and try the Repair Install
I know you said you don't want to do this, but at this point you have nothing to loose, and everything to gain.
My two cents
how many sata drives i can connect?
on the MB i can see 6 sata plugs (forgive my ignorance) but the sata drive i have also have a power plug right?,
where does this go to?
on the MB i can see 6 sata plugs (forgive my ignorance) but the sata drive i have also have a power plug right?,
where does this go to?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz how many sata drives i can connect?
on the MB i can see 6 sata plugs (forgive my ignorance) but the sata drive i have also have a power plug right?,
where does this go to?
on the MB i can see 6 sata plugs (forgive my ignorance) but the sata drive i have also have a power plug right?,
where does this go to?
the sata power plug is different than the ide (molex)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz how many sata drives i can connect?
on the MB i can see 6 sata plugs (forgive my ignorance) but the sata drive i have also have a power plug right?,
where does this go to?
on the MB i can see 6 sata plugs (forgive my ignorance) but the sata drive i have also have a power plug right?,
where does this go to?
where does the power plug go on the MB? how many are there?
the sata drive stays as it is the converter goes on the ide drive then into the sata plug on the motherboard
the power should be coming from the psu (power supply unit)
listen- maybe the most sane solution for this:
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz listen- maybe the most sane solution for this:
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
your files must be special to you �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz listen- maybe the most sane solution for this:
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
your files must be special to you but what about the drive ubuntu couldn't see ?? i absolutely must solve it's problem
Internal hard disks
Internal hard disks connect to your computer's motherboard using an IDE interface or SATA interface. Most new hard drives come with either an IDE or SATA connection cable, depending on the type of drive.
Installing an internal hard disk takes a bit more work, especially if you plan to make the new disk your primary hard disk where you install Windows. To install an internal hard disk, you should be comfortable opening your computer case and connecting cables.
Most desktop computers have room for at least two internal hard disks. Laptops have room for only one hard disk. If you are replacing the primary hard disk rather than adding a secondary disk, you'll have to install Windows after you connect the disk.
Note
Many internal hard disks contain jumper pins that you must set to designate a hard disk as a primary (master) disk where you install Windows or as a secondary (subordinate) disk where you store programs and files. These jumpers are small plastic sleeves that you must place on the correct metal jumper pins. For additional instructions, check the information that came with the internal hard disk.
To remove and replace an internal hard disk
Turn off your computer, disconnect the power, and remove your computer�s cover. If you have a laptop, check the information from the manufacturer to find out if there is a panel you can remove to access the hard disk.
Unplug all cables connected to the hard disk, and then remove the hard disk. Pay attention to which cables you unplug, since you will plug the same cables into the new hard disk. If there are any screws holding in the hard disk, you'll need a small screwdriver to unscrew them. Many hard disks slide in and out of the case on rails. If you have questions, check the information that came with your computer.
Insert the new hard disk and connect it to the same cables that are in the same places as the hard disk you removed. One cable connects the disk to the computer�s power supply, and the other cable connects the disk to the computer�s motherboard.
To add a new internal hard disk (without removing an existing disk)
Turn off your computer, disconnect the power, and remove your computer�s cover. If you have a laptop, check the information from the manufacturer to find out if there is a panel you can remove to access the hard disk.
Insert the new hard disk into an empty hard disk bay in your computer case. You might need a small screwdriver to screw the disk into your case. Different cases have different ways of holding hard disks. Many slide in and out of the case on rails.
Connect one cable from the computer�s power supply to the power connector on the back of the hard disk.
Depending on what type of hard disk you have, connect the IDE cable or SATA cable from the back of the disk to the IDE or SATA connector on the computer�s motherboard. IDE cables are wide and flat with large connectors, while SATA cables are thin with small connectors. For more information, check the information that came with the hard disk.
Preparing to use a new hard disk
If you've installed your new hard disk correctly, your computer should recognize it. When you turn on your computer, the basic input/output system (BIOS) should automatically detect the new hard disk.
If you plan to use the new hard disk as the primary partition that contains Windows, then you'll have to install Windows on the disk before you can use your computer. You'll need a Windows 7 installation disc to do this. For more information, search Help and Support for "Installing and reinstalling Windows."
If you plan to use the new hard disk as a secondary disk (one that does not contain Windows), you should be able to see the new hard disk drive the next time you start your computer and log on to Windows. After Windows starts, click the Start button , click Computer, and then look for your new drive. The letter assigned to the drive will depend on your computer�s configuration. If you don't see the new hard disk drive, try looking for it in Computer Management.
Open Computer Management by clicking the Start button , clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Security, clicking Administrative Tools, and then double-clicking Computer Management.* If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
In the left pane, under Storage, click Disk Management, and then look for the new drive.
You'll probably have to format the hard disk before you can use it. For instructions, see Formatting disks and drives: frequently asked questions. Follow these same instructions to format an old hard disk that contains data you want to erase.
If your computer doesn't recognize the new hard disk, double-check the installation instructions that came with the hard disk. If you have additional questions, go to the manufacturer's website.
Internal hard disks connect to your computer's motherboard using an IDE interface or SATA interface. Most new hard drives come with either an IDE or SATA connection cable, depending on the type of drive.
Installing an internal hard disk takes a bit more work, especially if you plan to make the new disk your primary hard disk where you install Windows. To install an internal hard disk, you should be comfortable opening your computer case and connecting cables.
Most desktop computers have room for at least two internal hard disks. Laptops have room for only one hard disk. If you are replacing the primary hard disk rather than adding a secondary disk, you'll have to install Windows after you connect the disk.
Note
Many internal hard disks contain jumper pins that you must set to designate a hard disk as a primary (master) disk where you install Windows or as a secondary (subordinate) disk where you store programs and files. These jumpers are small plastic sleeves that you must place on the correct metal jumper pins. For additional instructions, check the information that came with the internal hard disk.
To remove and replace an internal hard disk
Turn off your computer, disconnect the power, and remove your computer�s cover. If you have a laptop, check the information from the manufacturer to find out if there is a panel you can remove to access the hard disk.
Unplug all cables connected to the hard disk, and then remove the hard disk. Pay attention to which cables you unplug, since you will plug the same cables into the new hard disk. If there are any screws holding in the hard disk, you'll need a small screwdriver to unscrew them. Many hard disks slide in and out of the case on rails. If you have questions, check the information that came with your computer.
Insert the new hard disk and connect it to the same cables that are in the same places as the hard disk you removed. One cable connects the disk to the computer�s power supply, and the other cable connects the disk to the computer�s motherboard.
To add a new internal hard disk (without removing an existing disk)
Turn off your computer, disconnect the power, and remove your computer�s cover. If you have a laptop, check the information from the manufacturer to find out if there is a panel you can remove to access the hard disk.
Insert the new hard disk into an empty hard disk bay in your computer case. You might need a small screwdriver to screw the disk into your case. Different cases have different ways of holding hard disks. Many slide in and out of the case on rails.
Connect one cable from the computer�s power supply to the power connector on the back of the hard disk.
Depending on what type of hard disk you have, connect the IDE cable or SATA cable from the back of the disk to the IDE or SATA connector on the computer�s motherboard. IDE cables are wide and flat with large connectors, while SATA cables are thin with small connectors. For more information, check the information that came with the hard disk.
Preparing to use a new hard disk
If you've installed your new hard disk correctly, your computer should recognize it. When you turn on your computer, the basic input/output system (BIOS) should automatically detect the new hard disk.
If you plan to use the new hard disk as the primary partition that contains Windows, then you'll have to install Windows on the disk before you can use your computer. You'll need a Windows 7 installation disc to do this. For more information, search Help and Support for "Installing and reinstalling Windows."
If you plan to use the new hard disk as a secondary disk (one that does not contain Windows), you should be able to see the new hard disk drive the next time you start your computer and log on to Windows. After Windows starts, click the Start button , click Computer, and then look for your new drive. The letter assigned to the drive will depend on your computer�s configuration. If you don't see the new hard disk drive, try looking for it in Computer Management.
Open Computer Management by clicking the Start button , clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Security, clicking Administrative Tools, and then double-clicking Computer Management.* If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
In the left pane, under Storage, click Disk Management, and then look for the new drive.
You'll probably have to format the hard disk before you can use it. For instructions, see Formatting disks and drives: frequently asked questions. Follow these same instructions to format an old hard disk that contains data you want to erase.
If your computer doesn't recognize the new hard disk, double-check the installation instructions that came with the hard disk. If you have additional questions, go to the manufacturer's website.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz �� Quote: Originally Posted by brianzion �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz listen- maybe the most sane solution for this:
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
buy tomorrow a 1TB sata drive to replace those.
BUT- suppose i'll find another pc for doing this, it all should go smoothly?
or another pc also won't recognize them?
your files must be special to you but what about the drive ubuntu couldn't see ?? i absolutely must solve it's problem
friends.. that's another problem 
but how come ubuntu refuse to admit the existence of the 2nd drive?
but how come ubuntu refuse to admit the existence of the 2nd drive?
i think its how it reads from how its set up in bios with ubuntu so what do you propose a new sata drive ? save what data you can?
try this program Recuva Recuva - Features
Recovery from damaged or formatted disks
The dreaded hard drive crash. The file you forgot to backup before you reformatted a drive. The camera memory card with your holiday snaps that no longer works. Recuva can handle them too.
Windows (and other operating systems) uses a hidden index on hard drives, USB drives, and memory cards. Instead of having to search through the entire drive for a file you request, all it has to do is look it up in the index -- a much faster process.
Unfortunately, if the index is damaged, Windows can no longer find your files, even if the files themselves haven't been corrupted. That's where Recuva comes in.
Unlike Windows, Recuva scans all parts of a drive, looking for the bits that make up your files. If a drive's index has been damaged, chances are other parts of the drive may have been damaged too. Recuva will show you a list of files it has found on the drive, and give you an estimate of the likelihood of success of recovering them.
Similarly, when you format a drive (especially if you use the Quick Format option), Windows erases the hidden index but does not overwrite the existing files until you start saving new data to it. Recuva can still scan the drive's contents to find your files.
DOWNLOAD HERE http://www.piriform.com/recuva
Recuva Recuva - FeaturesRecovery from damaged or formatted disks
The dreaded hard drive crash. The file you forgot to backup before you reformatted a drive. The camera memory card with your holiday snaps that no longer works. Recuva can handle them too.
Windows (and other operating systems) uses a hidden index on hard drives, USB drives, and memory cards. Instead of having to search through the entire drive for a file you request, all it has to do is look it up in the index -- a much faster process.
Unfortunately, if the index is damaged, Windows can no longer find your files, even if the files themselves haven't been corrupted. That's where Recuva comes in.
Unlike Windows, Recuva scans all parts of a drive, looking for the bits that make up your files. If a drive's index has been damaged, chances are other parts of the drive may have been damaged too. Recuva will show you a list of files it has found on the drive, and give you an estimate of the likelihood of success of recovering them.
Similarly, when you format a drive (especially if you use the Quick Format option), Windows erases the hidden index but does not overwrite the existing files until you start saving new data to it. Recuva can still scan the drive's contents to find your files.
DOWNLOAD HERE
http://www.piriform.com/recuva currently scanning the drives with testdisk.
this is weird- it does identifiy the drive with the name i gave him and amount of disk space left etc..
but still can't find the files
this is weird- it does identifiy the drive with the name i gave him and amount of disk space left etc..
but still can't find the files
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz currently scanning the drives with testdisk.
this is weird- it does identifiy the drive with the name i gave him and amount of disk space left etc..
but still can't find the files
this is weird- it does identifiy the drive with the name i gave him and amount of disk space left etc..
but still can't find the files
right away, sir
recuva couldn't even find those drives...
and testdisk found the drive but couldn't provide a file list - said it's may be damaged.
so how come i saw those same files on ubuntu? this is so confusing
recuva couldn't even find those drives...
and testdisk found the drive but couldn't provide a file list - said it's may be damaged.
so how come i saw those same files on ubuntu? this is so confusing
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz right away, sir
recuva couldn't even find those drives...
and testdisk found the drive but couldn't provide a file list - said it's may be damaged.
so how come i saw those same files on ubuntu? this is so confusing
recuva couldn't even find those drives...
and testdisk found the drive but couldn't provide a file list - said it's may be damaged.
so how come i saw those same files on ubuntu? this is so confusing
Ok..
I put the drives on another Pc with windows 7.
The less harmed one turned up fine!
The other one gives me this:
Not accessible - file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.
What's the last resort for this? I really need to save any info there.
I'll buy a new sata drive today.
I put the drives on another Pc with windows 7.
The less harmed one turned up fine!
The other one gives me this:
Not accessible - file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.
What's the last resort for this? I really need to save any info there.
I'll buy a new sata drive today.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz Ok..
I put the drives on another Pc with windows 7.
The less harmed one turned up fine!
The other one gives me this:
Not accessible - file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.
What's the last resort for this? I really need to save any info there.
I'll buy a new sata drive today.
I put the drives on another Pc with windows 7.
The less harmed one turned up fine!
The other one gives me this:
Not accessible - file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.
What's the last resort for this? I really need to save any info there.
I'll buy a new sata drive today.
Free backup software Free data Recovery Software Roundup! (All freeware data recovery tools.)
Free data Recovery Software Roundup! (All freeware data recovery tools.) Ok I will.
Thanks for all the help till now.
I'll inform you on the results.
Listen- is there a warning against using third party driver update
Software like "genius"? This is important for everyone
Who doesn't know (like me...)
Thanks for all the help till now.
I'll inform you on the results.
Listen- is there a warning against using third party driver update
Software like "genius"? This is important for everyone
Who doesn't know (like me...
) its a pleasure helping you
im sure other users of this forum will read what has happened and take note of your problem when using any third party software carries a degree of risk i look for reviews on the products and use well known download sites like these Free Windows Downloads - Softpedia and Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com
im sure other users of this forum will read what has happened and take note of your problem when using any third party software carries a degree of risk i look for reviews on the products and use well known download sites like these
Free Windows Downloads - Softpedia and Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com So I'll put the new sata drive and then use a recovery software
On my pc right? And use ubuntu for the better one.
On my pc right? And use ubuntu for the better one.
installing the sata drive
plug it in on the mother board and plug power plug in
restart pc
windows will install driver
you should get asked by windows to format it choose ntfs and follow instructions
lost data
try the ubuntu and try to copy/move the files you can find from the bad disc/discs to the new drive
or try the free recovery software i posted Free data Recovery Software Roundup! (All freeware data recovery tools.)
plug it in on the mother board and plug power plug in
restart pc
windows will install driver
you should get asked by windows to format it choose ntfs and follow instructions
lost data
try the ubuntu and try to copy/move the files you can find from the bad disc/discs to the new drive
or try the free recovery software i posted
Free data Recovery Software Roundup! (All freeware data recovery tools.) Listen before I start the pc with the new sata drive, do o need
To put any jumpers or none at all?
ok i read i don't need jumpers for sata.
however, i still have to go into disk managment and it looks like this:
i need help on that please.
and i see the new drive shows only 930 GB on it.. any links on that ?
(sorry for all those unrelated questions, i'm googling for answers)
chose MBR and got an error message about failing the process cause drive is unallocated ??
i feel something's not right here..
ok just ignored all that and formatted two partitions.
now to try ubuntu
To put any jumpers or none at all?
ok i read i don't need jumpers for sata.
however, i still have to go into disk managment and it looks like this:
i need help on that please.
and i see the new drive shows only 930 GB on it.. any links on that ?
(sorry for all those unrelated questions, i'm googling for answers)
chose MBR and got an error message about failing the process cause drive is unallocated ??
i feel something's not right here..
ok just ignored all that and formatted two partitions.
now to try ubuntu
an oxymoron "Driver Genius"
I firmly believe that going to the manufacturers web site is a much better and safer way
to upgrade device drivers.
Rich
I firmly believe that going to the manufacturers web site is a much better and safer way
to upgrade device drivers.
Rich
My lesson has been learned very deeply
ok finished with ubuntu file transfers
no trying pc inspector - but he seems to fail the task of finding data
no trying pc inspector - but he seems to fail the task of finding data
�� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz Listen before I start the pc with the new sata drive, do o need
To put any jumpers or none at all?
ok i read i don't need jumpers for sata.
however, i still have to go into disk managment and it looks like this:
i need help on that please.
and i see the new drive shows only 930 GB on it.. any links on that ?
(sorry for all those unrelated questions, i'm googling for answers)
chose MBR and got an error message about failing the process cause drive is unallocated ??
i feel something's not right here..
ok just ignored all that and formatted two partitions.
now to try ubuntu
To put any jumpers or none at all?
ok i read i don't need jumpers for sata.
however, i still have to go into disk managment and it looks like this:
i need help on that please.
and i see the new drive shows only 930 GB on it.. any links on that ?
(sorry for all those unrelated questions, i'm googling for answers)
chose MBR and got an error message about failing the process cause drive is unallocated ??
i feel something's not right here..
ok just ignored all that and formatted two partitions.
now to try ubuntu
it's the 1kB (binary notation) = 1024B (decimal) conversion.
.......It's fine.
Why is disk management showing 2 unallocated disk 1s ?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mjf �� Quote: Originally Posted by rozroz Listen before I start the pc with the new sata drive, do o need
To put any jumpers or none at all?
ok i read i don't need jumpers for sata.
however, i still have to go into disk managment and it looks like this:
i need help on that please.
and i see the new drive shows only 930 GB on it.. any links on that ?
(sorry for all those unrelated questions, i'm googling for answers)
chose MBR and got an error message about failing the process cause drive is unallocated ??
i feel something's not right here..
ok just ignored all that and formatted two partitions.
now to try ubuntu
To put any jumpers or none at all?
ok i read i don't need jumpers for sata.
however, i still have to go into disk managment and it looks like this:
i need help on that please.
and i see the new drive shows only 930 GB on it.. any links on that ?
(sorry for all those unrelated questions, i'm googling for answers)
chose MBR and got an error message about failing the process cause drive is unallocated ??
i feel something's not right here..
ok just ignored all that and formatted two partitions.
now to try ubuntu
it's the 1kB (binary notation) = 1024B (decimal) conversion.
.......It's fine.
Why is disk management showing 2 unallocated disk 1s ?
should i be worried?
tried all data recovery software i could find and all failed to find anything on my corrupted/unallocated IDE drive..
(easyus, pc inspector, testdisk).. any other desperate option besides paying a lot of money?
* if i'll try recovering from another pc would i have a bigger chance?
is there any recovering software which scans before loading windows (via cd)?
(easyus, pc inspector, testdisk).. any other desperate option besides paying a lot of money?
* if i'll try recovering from another pc would i have a bigger chance?
is there any recovering software which scans before loading windows (via cd)?
finally transferred my major files.
95% corrupted
if one software manage to recover files but they're corrupted, it means all recovery apps will find the same corrupted files?
95% corrupted
if one software manage to recover files but they're corrupted, it means all recovery apps will find the same corrupted files?
hi i have not forgotten about you i have been unwell with influenza been led up in bed for 3 days 
yes i expect that most of the free software will be limited but just say if you bought a file recoverer and that still did not work and it cost you i can see you getting mad i use external drives for important files so they are easily transferable just unplug the usb and put on another pc im sorry to say you have learnt a big lesson in using third party driver updaters
yes i expect that most of the free software will be limited but just say if you bought a file recoverer and that still did not work and it cost you i can see you getting mad i use external drives for important files so they are easily transferable just unplug the usb and put on another pc im sorry to say you have learnt a big lesson in using third party driver updaters 
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