I know you all are going to think I'm completely insane, and probably aren't expecting this, but yes, I do use Windows 3.1 on my home computer.
Windows 3.1 in Action
Every day, I fire up my 14-year-old Gateway2000 P5-200 computer (A cutting-edge system in 1996), and do some typing, check my e-mail, do my finances, and, of course, browse forums. I use high-speed DSL internet, and have my modem hooked up to the computer system through ethernet, to an older 3Com 10/100 card I put in.
Many people prefer to use much more modern computers than old clunkers like mine, but there's still a lot you can get done in this 16-bit operating system from 1992. While it can't do everything, you can still browse the Internet OK, play some computer games, do your word processing and spreadsheets, and, of course, enjoy the classic Flying Toaster screen saver you all wish you had. And there's no product key or activation to worry about.
My co-workers in the IT department always laugh when they see that I use Windows 3.1. They're surprised I even got it on the Internet! But, if any of you all are interested in playing around with the older stuff, or getting that dusty old computer in the closet running again, I'll be happy to help you. I know some great sites for drivers and programs for Windows 3.1.
Now, I'm sure you all are asking why am I talking about Windows 3.1 on a Windows 7 forum? Well, like I said before, I'm kind of crazy. But, when you think about it, Windows 3.1 is an important chapter in the history of computers, and I thought you guys might like having a look at it.
By the way, like my new desktop? I changed it to the Windows 7 wall paper to get with 2010!
Windows 3.1 in Action
Every day, I fire up my 14-year-old Gateway2000 P5-200 computer (A cutting-edge system in 1996), and do some typing, check my e-mail, do my finances, and, of course, browse forums. I use high-speed DSL internet, and have my modem hooked up to the computer system through ethernet, to an older 3Com 10/100 card I put in.
Many people prefer to use much more modern computers than old clunkers like mine, but there's still a lot you can get done in this 16-bit operating system from 1992. While it can't do everything, you can still browse the Internet OK, play some computer games, do your word processing and spreadsheets, and, of course, enjoy the classic Flying Toaster screen saver you all wish you had. And there's no product key or activation to worry about.
My co-workers in the IT department always laugh when they see that I use Windows 3.1. They're surprised I even got it on the Internet! But, if any of you all are interested in playing around with the older stuff, or getting that dusty old computer in the closet running again, I'll be happy to help you. I know some great sites for drivers and programs for Windows 3.1.
Now, I'm sure you all are asking why am I talking about Windows 3.1 on a Windows 7 forum? Well, like I said before, I'm kind of crazy. But, when you think about it, Windows 3.1 is an important chapter in the history of computers, and I thought you guys might like having a look at it.
By the way, like my new desktop? I changed it to the Windows 7 wall paper to get with 2010!
Laugh? Why? I was trying to see if I could get 3.1 on a VM here but did manage 98SE so far. 
Following the failed attempts with 3.1 I next went to 95 but now lack a floppy drive on the present build for booting purposes with a floppy or floppy image since those old installers still look for Drive A!
Following the failed attempts with 3.1 I next went to 95 but now lack a floppy drive on the present build for booting purposes with a floppy or floppy image since those old installers still look for Drive A!
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Laugh? Why? I was trying to see if I could get 3.1 on a VM here but did manage 98SE so far.
Following the failed attempts with 3.1 I next went to 95 but now lack a floppy drive on the present build for booting purposes with a floppy or floppy image since those old installers still look for Drive A!
Following the failed attempts with 3.1 I next went to 95 but now lack a floppy drive on the present build for booting purposes with a floppy or floppy image since those old installers still look for Drive A!
I would recommend perhaps using a USB floppy drive as your drive A. They're pretty cheap to pick up and then you floppy installers can all work.
But, if you don't feel like doing that, I do know for a fact that Windows 3.1 and 95 do have CD versions. I'd recommend taking a peek at vetusware.com to see if you can find them. Also, if you already got MS-DOS installed (Finding a CD of that might be hard), you can install Windows 3.1 over the network.
Originally I bought 3.1 new when first seen retail on a set of 6 floppies. That's going back a good 16yrs. now! If I hadn't given away one old case just refurbished I could have easily set 3.1 up on that one still seeing an ide drive as well as floppy for use. As far as usb floppy drives those old versions lacked any usb support to start with. 98 was the first to see USB 1.0-1.1 there.
As far as i can remember you could still play Ultima Underworld Dos game on Win 3.1 used to be my favorite game.
I guess running something that old must make you pretty safe from viruses & malware ?
What's the most modern programs & browsers that you can run on 3.1 ?
I guess running something that old must make you pretty safe from viruses & malware ?
What's the most modern programs & browsers that you can run on 3.1 ?
I'm actually in the process of building a Windows 95 box to run my old games that I have laying around Congrats on keeping your machine running for this long!
Congrats on keeping your machine running for this long! There wasn't many games around at the time to run except a few for Windows in addition to the few included like card games. The classic oldies like Wolf3D, Duke Nukem, Nukem 2, and a small list of other dos games would likely be found in an online museum! 
As for browsers you would need to find a site that still keeps the oldest versions for Netscape and a few others that would run on the old Fat 16 OS there.
Have fun trying any that old like IE 4.0 being seen with 95. 3.11 was the better one for getting online being geared more in the direction that NT 3.1 saw later.
As for browsers you would need to find a site that still keeps the oldest versions for Netscape and a few others that would run on the old Fat 16 OS there.
Have fun trying any that old like IE 4.0 being seen with 95. 3.11 was the better one for getting online being geared more in the direction that NT 3.1 saw later.
Janes ATF is still one of my favorite games, and as of yet, the only game I haven't become dis-interested in
Not strange at all - I see dozens of 3.11/95/98/ME machines on various networks at work all day (go go Flying Toaster screensaver!); the only catch being that they're almost always production line machines running really old software. We don't let them get on the internet so they work just fine. Ironically, the machines we do have hooked up because they are running more current OSes (NT/XP/Vista/7) are the cause of most problems.
That old Packard Bell that saw 95 running on it is still in good shape! The problem is that I don't have it onhand to try things out like dual booting the old stuff on it!
I gave that away back in the 90s but since learned it was still in working shape after all these years. It would be something to see some of those "golden oldies" running again however.
(thankfully there's dosbox for some! )
I gave that away back in the 90s but since learned it was still in working shape after all these years. It would be something to see some of those "golden oldies" running again however.
(thankfully there's dosbox for some!
) �� Quote: Originally Posted by MS Windows I know you all are going to think I'm completely insane, and probably aren't expecting this, but yes, I do use Windows 3.1 on my home computer.
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Windows 3.1 in Action
Every day, I fire up my 14-year-old Gateway2000 P5-200 computer (A cutting-edge system in 1996), and do some typing, check my e-mail, do my finances, and, of course, browse forums. I use high-speed DSL internet, and have my modem hooked up to the computer system through ethernet, to an older 3Com 10/100 card I put in.
Many people prefer to use much more modern computers than old clunkers like mine, but there's still a lot you can get done in this 16-bit operating system from 1992. While it can't do everything, you can still browse the Internet OK, play some computer games, do your word processing and spreadsheets, and, of course, enjoy the classic Flying Toaster screen saver you all wish you had. And there's no product key or activation to worry about.
My co-workers in the IT department always laugh when they see that I use Windows 3.1. They're surprised I even got it on the Internet! But, if any of you all are interested in playing around with the older stuff, or getting that dusty old computer in the closet running again, I'll be happy to help you. I know some great sites for drivers and programs for Windows 3.1.
Now, I'm sure you all are asking why am I talking about Windows 3.1 on a Windows 7 forum? Well, like I said before, I'm kind of crazy. But, when you think about it, Windows 3.1 is an important chapter in the history of computers, and I thought you guys might like having a look at it.
By the way, like my new desktop? I changed it to the Windows 7 wall paper to get with 2010!
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Windows 3.1 in Action
Every day, I fire up my 14-year-old Gateway2000 P5-200 computer (A cutting-edge system in 1996), and do some typing, check my e-mail, do my finances, and, of course, browse forums. I use high-speed DSL internet, and have my modem hooked up to the computer system through ethernet, to an older 3Com 10/100 card I put in.
Many people prefer to use much more modern computers than old clunkers like mine, but there's still a lot you can get done in this 16-bit operating system from 1992. While it can't do everything, you can still browse the Internet OK, play some computer games, do your word processing and spreadsheets, and, of course, enjoy the classic Flying Toaster screen saver you all wish you had. And there's no product key or activation to worry about.
My co-workers in the IT department always laugh when they see that I use Windows 3.1. They're surprised I even got it on the Internet! But, if any of you all are interested in playing around with the older stuff, or getting that dusty old computer in the closet running again, I'll be happy to help you. I know some great sites for drivers and programs for Windows 3.1.
Now, I'm sure you all are asking why am I talking about Windows 3.1 on a Windows 7 forum? Well, like I said before, I'm kind of crazy. But, when you think about it, Windows 3.1 is an important chapter in the history of computers, and I thought you guys might like having a look at it.
By the way, like my new desktop? I changed it to the Windows 7 wall paper to get with 2010!
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I don't think that is even possible with 3.1 while 95 was able to. The background underneath the first image looks like what you would see available for a VM being too new while the dark olive color seen in one of the 3.1 windows is the typical 256color variation default with 95 as well.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista �� Quote: Originally Posted by MS Windows I know you all are going to think I'm completely insane, and probably aren't expecting this, but yes, I do use Windows 3.1 on my home computer.
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Windows 3.1 in Action
Every day, I fire up my 14-year-old Gateway2000 P5-200 computer (A cutting-edge system in 1996), and do some typing, check my e-mail, do my finances, and, of course, browse forums. I use high-speed DSL internet, and have my modem hooked up to the computer system through ethernet, to an older 3Com 10/100 card I put in.
Many people prefer to use much more modern computers than old clunkers like mine, but there's still a lot you can get done in this 16-bit operating system from 1992. While it can't do everything, you can still browse the Internet OK, play some computer games, do your word processing and spreadsheets, and, of course, enjoy the classic Flying Toaster screen saver you all wish you had. And there's no product key or activation to worry about.
My co-workers in the IT department always laugh when they see that I use Windows 3.1. They're surprised I even got it on the Internet! But, if any of you all are interested in playing around with the older stuff, or getting that dusty old computer in the closet running again, I'll be happy to help you. I know some great sites for drivers and programs for Windows 3.1.
Now, I'm sure you all are asking why am I talking about Windows 3.1 on a Windows 7 forum? Well, like I said before, I'm kind of crazy. But, when you think about it, Windows 3.1 is an important chapter in the history of computers, and I thought you guys might like having a look at it.
By the way, like my new desktop? I changed it to the Windows 7 wall paper to get with 2010!
Attachment 110429
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Windows 3.1 in Action
Every day, I fire up my 14-year-old Gateway2000 P5-200 computer (A cutting-edge system in 1996), and do some typing, check my e-mail, do my finances, and, of course, browse forums. I use high-speed DSL internet, and have my modem hooked up to the computer system through ethernet, to an older 3Com 10/100 card I put in.
Many people prefer to use much more modern computers than old clunkers like mine, but there's still a lot you can get done in this 16-bit operating system from 1992. While it can't do everything, you can still browse the Internet OK, play some computer games, do your word processing and spreadsheets, and, of course, enjoy the classic Flying Toaster screen saver you all wish you had. And there's no product key or activation to worry about.
My co-workers in the IT department always laugh when they see that I use Windows 3.1. They're surprised I even got it on the Internet! But, if any of you all are interested in playing around with the older stuff, or getting that dusty old computer in the closet running again, I'll be happy to help you. I know some great sites for drivers and programs for Windows 3.1.
Now, I'm sure you all are asking why am I talking about Windows 3.1 on a Windows 7 forum? Well, like I said before, I'm kind of crazy. But, when you think about it, Windows 3.1 is an important chapter in the history of computers, and I thought you guys might like having a look at it.
By the way, like my new desktop? I changed it to the Windows 7 wall paper to get with 2010!
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�� Quote: Originally Posted by MS Windows I know you all are going to think I'm completely insane, and probably aren't expecting this, but yes, I do use Windows 3.1 on my home computer.
A creative AWE 64 Gold sound card, Voodoo 5500 video card, pentuim 4 processor 1.8gig, 1 gig of RAM, hmmm.....
Cool.
98 will have problems on any system with more the 512mb of memory installed. That requires an edit of the autoexec.bat file or system.ini file to compensate and allow the old Legacy version to recongnise the full amount. Otherwise 98 simply will refuse to run past the initial startup screen.
ah, nostalgia ain't what it used to be!
Well you have to take into account the vast amount of hardware changes seen in the last several years and compare that to what was available when these older versions were first new! 
For 98 the driver support dropped off about 6-7yrs. ago on just about everything. It's day had come! In fact the last time other then on a VM I saw 98 running was on an old Socket A case with a pair of 512s and a 128mb AGP card. Once the newer boards came out 98 was lost in the shuffle.
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At least one thing is for sure. If you have an old system still running you may be fortunate enough to find device drivers for those classic oldies and be able to run them there. As far as running some of the classic pc games you still find a few sites that archive the old titles that are DOSBox supported. Surprizingly DOSBox works for that on the 64bit 7 as well as the 32bit just to have a few memorabilia moments!
For 98 the driver support dropped off about 6-7yrs. ago on just about everything. It's day had come! In fact the last time other then on a VM I saw 98 running was on an old Socket A case with a pair of 512s and a 128mb AGP card. Once the newer boards came out 98 was lost in the shuffle.
SuAt least one thing is for sure. If you have an old system still running you may be fortunate enough to find device drivers for those classic oldies and be able to run them there. As far as running some of the classic pc games you still find a few sites that archive the old titles that are DOSBox supported. Surprizingly DOSBox works for that on the 64bit 7 as well as the 32bit just to have a few memorabilia moments!
I couldn't imagine doing that, because of what I'd be missing out on....especially working on IT. I would have serious reservations about continuing to employ someone in my IT department who avoided new technology, and I feel comfortable saying that as an IT Manager/Admin. It's cool on the level of seeing it happen, but that's what VMs would be for...not primary systems.
I guess my biggest question would be why work in IT with a mindset like that? What good would a doctor be who would still consider leeches a cure for most ailments? What good is a mechanic who only owns a pair of roller skates? What good would an architect be who never built anything more than a Lego building?
Your reasons for sticking with it make me question why you'd be in IT even more. Activation? That's hardly a negative for anyone playing by the rules. Frankly, I'd be embrassed to admit these things to my IT co-workers. Insane...yes. Scary? Even more so.
I'm seriously hoping/waiting for the "ha ha, April Fool's" line to come out, but sadly, it is November.
I guess my biggest question would be why work in IT with a mindset like that? What good would a doctor be who would still consider leeches a cure for most ailments? What good is a mechanic who only owns a pair of roller skates? What good would an architect be who never built anything more than a Lego building?
Your reasons for sticking with it make me question why you'd be in IT even more. Activation? That's hardly a negative for anyone playing by the rules. Frankly, I'd be embrassed to admit these things to my IT co-workers. Insane...yes. Scary? Even more so.
I'm seriously hoping/waiting for the "ha ha, April Fool's" line to come out, but sadly, it is November.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Laugh? Why? I was trying to see if I could get 3.1 on a VM here but did manage 98SE so far.
Following the failed attempts with 3.1 I next went to 95 but now lack a floppy drive on the present build for booting purposes with a floppy or floppy image since those old installers still look for Drive A!
Following the failed attempts with 3.1 I next went to 95 but now lack a floppy drive on the present build for booting purposes with a floppy or floppy image since those old installers still look for Drive A!
I can agree with that DeaconFrost. Don't get me wrong, it's cool to say "I got x computer to run Windows 95 and it runs really fast" just as a test or something with some old hardware or a challenge to try new hardware with an extremely old OS. It's like those people who try to run Windows 7 on a Pentium I or II just to see if they can.
On the one hand, there's the mentality of "well, it works". But on the other, there comes a time when an OS has to be taken to the back of the old wood shed. Windows 3.1 certainly has passed that time already. I remember I took a class about a year ago where they made me install Windows 3.1 just to practice installing Windows. I thought that was so ridiculous as it's not really relevant in today's world but at the same time, it was an experiment to see such a relic from the past actually work.
But for everyday use, I can't even stand Windows XP anymore for regular use as even it's too old for my taste. How you can browse the internet without constant errors is even more of a mystery to me as anytime I have an old virtual machine or really old PC that has Internet Explorer 5.5 (think that's up to what 3.1 can run), I get nothing but script errors and a whole bunch of other garbled mess. Fun as an experiment, 3.1 certainly is. Fun as an every day use computer this day in age, not a shot. And also, as Deacon said, working in IT, I certainly would expect you to want to be on the cutting edge as most IT people like to be or at least stay somewhat modernized.
Oh, and in regard to the mechanic thing ... isn't it ironic that the man who can fix cars often himself rides in some old beat up junker that needs to be started up in a special way? This is probably not all mechanics but I've seen quite a few where this is the case.
On the one hand, there's the mentality of "well, it works". But on the other, there comes a time when an OS has to be taken to the back of the old wood shed. Windows 3.1 certainly has passed that time already. I remember I took a class about a year ago where they made me install Windows 3.1 just to practice installing Windows. I thought that was so ridiculous as it's not really relevant in today's world but at the same time, it was an experiment to see such a relic from the past actually work.
But for everyday use, I can't even stand Windows XP anymore for regular use as even it's too old for my taste. How you can browse the internet without constant errors is even more of a mystery to me as anytime I have an old virtual machine or really old PC that has Internet Explorer 5.5 (think that's up to what 3.1 can run), I get nothing but script errors and a whole bunch of other garbled mess. Fun as an experiment, 3.1 certainly is. Fun as an every day use computer this day in age, not a shot. And also, as Deacon said, working in IT, I certainly would expect you to want to be on the cutting edge as most IT people like to be or at least stay somewhat modernized.
Oh, and in regard to the mechanic thing ... isn't it ironic that the man who can fix cars often himself rides in some old beat up junker that needs to be started up in a special way? This is probably not all mechanics but I've seen quite a few where this is the case.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Darician Oh, and in regard to the mechanic thing ... isn't it ironic that the man who can fix cars often himself rides in some old beat up junker that needs to be started up in a special way? This is probably not all mechanics but I've seen quite a few where this is the case.
Aww geee... I have the latest version of Windows on here running a Phenom II X4 and 8gb of ram but still have to have a look at some of the old memorable moments!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk 98 will have problems on any system with more the 512mb of memory installed.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk For 98 the driver support dropped off about 6-7yrs. ago on just about everything. It's day had come! In fact the last time other then on a VM I saw 98 running was on an old Socket A case with a pair of 512s and a 128mb AGP card. Once the newer boards came out 98 was lost in the shuffle.
At least one thing is for sure. If you have an old system still running you may be fortunate enough to find device drivers for those classic oldies and be able to run them there.
At least one thing is for sure. If you have an old system still running you may be fortunate enough to find device drivers for those classic oldies and be able to run them there.
I've even got old copies of programs like Office, Adobe, and IE6. As for drivers, again, this is where being a pack rate comes in handy
As for why do this??? Because it can be done... and it's fun
I still have a working copy of doom 95.. but nothing that can play it
DOSBox and some DB supported alternate versions of the same games can be found and bought. There's a few sites that archive the old titles. Those tend to have made deals with the original manufacturers and take a small portion of any purchase to maintain the site.
The option for DOSBox itself isn't the same as seen for VMs on the other simply being a dos emulator not a full virtual machine to start with.
For a "blast from the past" you have to laugh when first hearing an old 8bit dos game coming through your new build's surround sound setup when you originally only had sound through a tiny speaker on the main board back in those days! The best part of two decades has already passed by at this point.
The option for DOSBox itself isn't the same as seen for VMs on the other simply being a dos emulator not a full virtual machine to start with.
For a "blast from the past" you have to laugh when first hearing an old 8bit dos game coming through your new build's surround sound setup when you originally only had sound through a tiny speaker on the main board back in those days! The best part of two decades has already passed by at this point.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot �� Quote: Originally Posted by Darician Oh, and in regard to the mechanic thing ... isn't it ironic that the man who can fix cars often himself rides in some old beat up junker that needs to be started up in a special way? This is probably not all mechanics but I've seen quite a few where this is the case.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Darician Oh, and in regard to the mechanic thing ... isn't it ironic that the man who can fix cars often himself rides in some old beat up junker that needs to be started up in a special way? This is probably not all mechanics but I've seen quite a few where this is the case.
Just because someone decides to keep an old museum piece running doesn't mean they don't have the latest on their main system. I have a few old tankers here but just finished up with the second of two entirely new builds.
I'm interested in finding out some of the system specs on the old 3.1 system there in fact. That would tend to show who was making some of the better hardwares at the time.
I'm interested in finding out some of the system specs on the old 3.1 system there in fact. That would tend to show who was making some of the better hardwares at the time.
Last computer I had with 3.1 cost $2000 for 4 MB RAM, an i486 overdrive, and a 120 MB HDD
You had that large a drive! The old 386 only saw 50mb on that one!
At least I was able to swap out the 500mb for a 1.4gb on the Packard Bell 486 that came along afterwards but mainly saw 95 there. Later I set up a triple boot of 3.1, 95, and 98SE on one of the early custom cases having a 95 upgrade disk along with the full version 98SE and 6 floppies for 3.1 now having a problem with Floppy #1.
The old 386 only saw 50mb on that one! At least I was able to swap out the 500mb for a 1.4gb on the Packard Bell 486 that came along afterwards but mainly saw 95 there. Later I set up a triple boot of 3.1, 95, and 98SE on one of the early custom cases having a 95 upgrade disk along with the full version 98SE and 6 floppies for 3.1 now having a problem with Floppy #1.
That was pretty much top of the line for 1992... Funny how it still costs about $2000 for a good desktop system
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Just because someone decides to keep an old museum piece running doesn't mean they don't have the latest on their main system.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Just because someone decides to keep an old museum piece running doesn't mean they don't have the latest on their main system. I have a few old tankers here but just finished up with the second of two entirely new builds.
Anyway I'm currently working on my Windows 98SE build. I'm kind of miffed right now as I can't find my Creative AWE64 Gold soundcard. Not sure if I threw it out or not. Looks like I'll have to go with my Creative Live.
I'm also trying to decide if I want to go with my 3Dfx Voodoo 5500, or go with something like an ATI 8500, or 9700.
System specs thus far....
Abit BE6 II, ver 1.0
Pentuim 3 733MHz
512Meg SD RAM PC-133
Western Digital 30Gig HD
Creative Live Soundcard
Plextor PleXwriter 40/12/40A
Samsung floppy drive
Antec 400W PS
Antec Mid Tower case
Now I just have to hope all those old parts still work
.... then get the OS loaded along with drivers.Will let you know how it goes sometime tomorrow
In at least one way, 3.1, 95, and 98 were each a much more solid OS than windows 7. Windows 7 will fail to start anytime you add or enable hardware that wasn't present during the install without first installing drivers for it. You can't upgrade a HDD, CPU or motherboard, activate a TPM or a serial port or even change HDD modes without having reinstall windows or at least reactivate it. You can't even move a windows 7 image to a new HDD in the same system without getting approval from microsoft. Window 7 also won't let you stay connected to any network for very long unless it can contact microsoft at least once a day. I've seen the proof of that by trying to use a hardware firewall in addition to the Comodo firewall to contain all system processes to a local area while running firefox on a sandbox. The network location service and windows firewall double as spyware for microsoft. I think it's pure bulls*** on microsofts' part, and now I can see why some people won't upgrade..In the 90s you could swap HDDs between 2 totally different systems and the OS would almost always boot, recognize the different hardware configuration in each and make the appropriate changes without any B$, so long as both systems had hardware that was natively supported by the OS.
I just replaced the main board earlier this summer when a faulty supply tripped a 20a breaker right when going to power up. The exact same make and model replaced the first without any reinstall needed. But previously when finding the particular memory on the supported list was what the board required the first Sata III drive's installation had to be replaced with a fresh install on one of the Sata II drives.
Going from OCZ GOLD memory to Mushkin Enhanced posed a problem with the first install on the new build. The OCZ was 1.9v for the board requiring 1.5v - 1.65v according to the manual that came with the board not the "supported"? memory list which saw the 1600 default speed backclocked to 1066mhz.
As far as addon devices the flash drives, printer, external drive enclosure, tv tuner card never required a fresh install when added on. You simply needed to install the drivers/application when necessary to make the printer or tv tuner card available. When reinstalling the nic card removed for working on another pair of cases(1 new, 1 refurbished) I simply had to see the network configuration tended to.
As for your 98 project, sygnus21, you may want to check this one out for that model board as far as chipset drivers for 98 thru XP as well as the last bios version apparently. DriversCollection.com 98
You'll likely need to check out other sites like guru3d for the older video drivers.
Going from OCZ GOLD memory to Mushkin Enhanced posed a problem with the first install on the new build. The OCZ was 1.9v for the board requiring 1.5v - 1.65v according to the manual that came with the board not the "supported"? memory list which saw the 1600 default speed backclocked to 1066mhz.
As far as addon devices the flash drives, printer, external drive enclosure, tv tuner card never required a fresh install when added on. You simply needed to install the drivers/application when necessary to make the printer or tv tuner card available. When reinstalling the nic card removed for working on another pair of cases(1 new, 1 refurbished) I simply had to see the network configuration tended to.
As for your 98 project, sygnus21, you may want to check this one out for that model board as far as chipset drivers for 98 thru XP as well as the last bios version apparently. DriversCollection.com 98
You'll likely need to check out other sites like guru3d for the older video drivers.
Win95 still running here. hehe kids love it.
When first taking a look at 98SE I had the same reaction at first as many had for Vista! W95 was much lighter and had the programs I later saw running on 98. We know how the rest went where sooner or later you upgrade!
As far as 3.1 I was trying that oldie go onto a DOSBox setup when having the old case running with that having a floppy drive in a 5.25" adapter at the time. I wouldn't be going for any usb floppy drive however but could simply yank the drive bay adapter out of the old case when maybe feeling upto it.
As far as 3.1 I was trying that oldie go onto a DOSBox setup when having the old case running with that having a floppy drive in a 5.25" adapter at the time. I wouldn't be going for any usb floppy drive however but could simply yank the drive bay adapter out of the old case when maybe feeling upto it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk As for your 98 project, sygnus21, you may want to check this one out for that model board as far as chipset drivers for 98 thru XP as well as the last bios version apparently. DriversCollection.com 98
You'll likely need to check out other sites like guru3d for the older video drivers.
You'll likely need to check out other sites like guru3d for the older video drivers.
Anyways thanks for the link, I'm sure I'll be looking there for something.
As for the BIOS, I have the latest one for that board unless they came out with an unofficial BIOS long after the board was retired, though you never know.
Right now I'm getting getting all the power connections hooked up and doing some wire management before powering up and hoping everything still works
Later.
I have to look over an old 98 case once a PS/2 keyboard can be found with a Slot one cpu in it! Those proceed the Socket As where you slide the cpu and heat sink attached down plastic rails to see everything locked into place. A pain to swap out however! The old plastic tracks can be brittle!
That will be passed along between one family cousins while the vpu in that won't support any new lcd too well. The most out of 98 was 1024x768! That will stink if the parents end up buying a widescreen model for sure. Plus none of the original board or other disks came with the old custom case since apparently it was used by an uncle those many years back prior to an upgrade into XP.
Some of the sites that still manage to archive the old stuff can save you at times!
That will be passed along between one family cousins while the vpu in that won't support any new lcd too well. The most out of 98 was 1024x768! That will stink if the parents end up buying a widescreen model for sure. Plus none of the original board or other disks came with the old custom case since apparently it was used by an uncle those many years back prior to an upgrade into XP.
Some of the sites that still manage to archive the old stuff can save you at times!
I Posted my own 98 build thread here... Building a Windows 98 machine
I see you're working with a 98 upgrade while I proceeded that with a 95 upgrade disk. Funny how the time has passed and we still see clean installs with upgrade media.
Once I get ahold of the old Slot one case and have a look I will split the drive up for 3.1, 95, and 98SE. That still won't take much since the present 98 install is still on since it was first installed all those years back!
Funny how the time has passed and we still see clean installs with upgrade media.Once I get ahold of the old Slot one case and have a look I will split the drive up for 3.1, 95, and 98SE. That still won't take much since the present 98 install is still on since it was first installed all those years back!
Did you check out the pics in the thread?
I saw them when first taking a look. Now you have to put everything together and get it working first!
Can I just add that After Dark is awesome?
It's just a shame that I can't get my CD to work on anything higher than Win98. :/
It's just a shame that I can't get my CD to work on anything higher than Win98. :/
Even with DOSBox many old titles intended for dos or the old Legacy versions simply won't run on anything newer. The advantage of the older 8bit games however is that they aren't dependent on Windows but run from dos to start with. You simply need to emulate a dos window for those.
Ever hear an old 8bit dos game through your surround sound speakers on the 64bit 7? There were no sound cards when those first came out! You heard sound through a small board speaker only.
Ever hear an old 8bit dos game through your surround sound speakers on the 64bit 7?
There were no sound cards when those first came out! You heard sound through a small board speaker only. �� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk I saw them when first taking a look. Now you have to put everything together and get it working first!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk I saw them when first taking a look. Now you have to put everything together and get it working first!
You start the day off booting into that nice new 7 machine and then tackle some "slow boat to... wherever" museum piece! I've been doing a lot of that lately when people want me to look over some old 9x case to see what I do with it. They often require ps/2 keyboards where any ps/2 adapter won't work or the old premade system has to have an original keyboard made by the OEM itself due to the special proprietary plug.
As far as what you are used to on 7 I think you realized all that won't work on 98 or 98SE. Either the version is too old lacking any support or no drivers were ever written or no longer to be found? fun fun fun city!
I have a screen shot from Windows 7 and the VPC where I have internet connections with all the systems. I can even get to web sites with windows 3.11 for work groups and it works, Of course non of the java or other things run.
but, I can get to the web sites and recognize them.
but as another pack rat, I have the original install disks for dos 1.0 up thru the
latest windows 7.
I run this on a p7 windows ultimate w/8gigs ram.
I also run the gwbasic intrepreter under windows 7.
writing basic programs and then being able to compile them is neat..
but then, I am an of who still loves the command line.
my first pc cost over $5000 and had 2 160K floppy drives.
but, I can get to the web sites and recognize them.
but as another pack rat, I have the original install disks for dos 1.0 up thru the
latest windows 7.
I run this on a p7 windows ultimate w/8gigs ram.
I also run the gwbasic intrepreter under windows 7.
writing basic programs and then being able to compile them is neat..
but then, I am an of who still loves the command line.
my first pc cost over $5000 and had 2 160K floppy drives.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk �� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk I saw them when first taking a look. Now you have to put everything together and get it working first!
You start the day off booting into that nice new 7 machine and then tackle some "slow boat to... wherever" museum piece! I've been doing a lot of that lately when people want me to look over some old 9x case to see what I do with it. They often require ps/2 keyboards where any ps/2 adapter won't work or the old premade system has to have an original keyboard made by the OEM itself due to the special proprietary plug.
As far as what you are used to on 7 I think you realized all that won't work on 98 or 98SE. Either the version is too old lacking any support or no drivers were ever written or no longer to be found? fun fun fun city!
But I will add that the only issue I have thus far is my wireless adapter keeps crashing windows, even with the Win 98 drivers
As for the other drivers, I've got the soundcard and video drivers from the manufacturer's site
Anyways feel free to continue this at my thread since I don't want to hijack this one
Peace
I still have to find a way to get 3.1 on a VM here. The first of the 6 floppies quit ruling out any bother with moving the floppy drive over from the old case. I should say recently retired case that is only about 3 1/2yrs. old compared to what MS Windows has 3.1 running on!
I like to play with old versions of Windows, virtually (18 years of Windows evolution...).
Anyone having an idea how to join 3.1 to my network? I get it to internet, but not to be visible to other computers.
Anyone having an idea how to join 3.1 to my network? I get it to internet, but not to be visible to other computers.
The 3.11 for workstations would likely be far closer to what you are looking for there since 3.1 itself was a bit of a stand alone OS for desktops while the offshoot for networking was seen in the 3.11 later to NT 3.1 there.
You could still connect online once IE was available while even that lacked in versions prior to W95. That was more of an option for the previous few versions like 3.1. Those old 14kbs dial-up modems!
You could still connect online once IE was available while even that lacked in versions prior to W95. That was more of an option for the previous few versions like 3.1. Those old 14kbs dial-up modems!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Kari I like to play with old versions of Windows, virtually (18 years of Windows evolution...).
Anyone having an idea how to join 3.1 to my network? I get it to internet, but not to be visible to other computers.
Anyone having an idea how to join 3.1 to my network? I get it to internet, but not to be visible to other computers.
Drew
Sorry for reviving such old thread, but does anyone know how to make 7 look like Windows 3.11? Most info I've found about that was related to 98/XP, Vista at most and required paid software (WindowBlinds). Is there any program that can make Win7 look like 3.11 that is free?
Note, that I just want windows look like 3.1. I like it for its clean look and even W98 (Classic scheme) is for me too much. However I am too attached to taskbar, so I don't want "full Windows 3.11 experience", including Program Manager and minimizing to desktop.
Note, that I just want windows look like 3.1. I like it for its clean look and even W98 (Classic scheme) is for me too much. However I am too attached to taskbar
, so I don't want "full Windows 3.11 experience", including Program Manager and minimizing to desktop. 
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