I'm a computer tech. Day in and day out we are wiping systems with one variant or another of, WinAntiVirus, System Security Tool, Personal Security, etc. I have customers get infected running Norton, MacAffee, MSE, AVG, Avast. Nothing seems to stop it and nothing seems to be able to remove it.
Is there nothing that can stop it? Well, short of sandboxing the whole system and locking the user down; we can't babysit everyone in town all day.
Is there nothing that can stop it? Well, short of sandboxing the whole system and locking the user down; we can't babysit everyone in town all day.
I'll be honest I don't think there is...
The issue is down to hijacked websites and the most standard users if suddenly faced with a warning screen like...
...will instantly think "Oh my god! I better run the scan"
I'm in the same boat, sooo many machines cleaned from these 'FAKE' antivirus malware.
I find that if, for some reason, i get a similar warning screen I instantly run task manager & kill all 'iexplorer.exe' tasks
shortly followed by a download of MalwareBytes
OS
The issue is down to hijacked websites and the most standard users if suddenly faced with a warning screen like...
...will instantly think "Oh my god! I better run the scan"
I'm in the same boat, sooo many machines cleaned from these 'FAKE' antivirus malware.
I find that if, for some reason, i get a similar warning screen I instantly run task manager & kill all 'iexplorer.exe' tasks
shortly followed by a download of MalwareBytes
OS
I'm afraid that this type of socially engineered malware can only be countered with education - which may well be a battle that will never be won.
There is no way that any tech can prevent a user from clicking on the link to cure their perceived problem, a perception that is engineered by the malware writingscum fraternity.
People will actually ignore the warning from their own AV that the file they are downloading is not what they think it is as the malware has already convinced them
There is no way that any tech can prevent a user from clicking on the link to cure their perceived problem, a perception that is engineered by the malware writing
People will actually ignore the warning from their own AV that the file they are downloading is not what they think it is as the malware has already convinced them
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark 
I'll be honest I don't think there is...
The issue is down to hijacked websites and the most standard users if suddenly faced with a warning screen like...
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...will instantly think "Oh my god! I better run the scan"
I'm in the same boat, sooo many machines cleaned from these 'FAKE' antivirus malware.
I find that if, for some reason, i get a similar warning screen I instantly run task manager & kill all 'iexplorer.exe' tasks
shortly followed by a download of MalwareBytes
OS
The issue is down to hijacked websites and the most standard users if suddenly faced with a warning screen like...
Attachment 110396
...will instantly think "Oh my god! I better run the scan"
I'm in the same boat, sooo many machines cleaned from these 'FAKE' antivirus malware.
I find that if, for some reason, i get a similar warning screen I instantly run task manager & kill all 'iexplorer.exe' tasks
shortly followed by a download of MalwareBytes
OS
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 I'm afraid that this type of socially engineered malware can only be countered with education - which may well be a battle that will never be won.
There is no way that any tech can prevent a user from clicking on the link to cure their perceived problem, a perception that is engineered by the malware writingscum fraternity.
People will actually ignore the warning from their own AV that the file they are downloading is not what they think it is as the malware has already convinced them
There is no way that any tech can prevent a user from clicking on the link to cure their perceived problem, a perception that is engineered by the malware writing
People will actually ignore the warning from their own AV that the file they are downloading is not what they think it is as the malware has already convinced them
As a mod I have to set a good example 
Not that they deserve it
Not that they deserve it �� Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 As a mod I have to set a good example Not that they deserve it
Not that they deserve it Thanks for all the fish.
I hate to say it but my boss always says "Any time you idiot proof something, idiot version 2.0 comes along and breaks it." Unfortunately, no matter the amount of user education, these malware coders are getting better and better and there's no way to keep users updated on this. The other part is that users need to actually take the time to read prompts and be informed about computer security, which unfortunately most users simply don't care about, they just want their PC to work and when it doesn't, it's IT's fault.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Darician I hate to say it but my boss always says "Any time you idiot proof something, idiot version 2.0 comes along and breaks it." Unfortunately, no matter the amount of user education, these malware coders are getting better and better and there's no way to keep users updated on this. The other part is that users need to actually take the time to read prompts and be informed about computer security, which unfortunately most users simply don't care about, they just want their PC to work and when it doesn't, it's IT's fault.
Why did I get into IT?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mooreted �� Quote: Originally Posted by Darician I hate to say it but my boss always says "Any time you idiot proof something, idiot version 2.0 comes along and breaks it." Unfortunately, no matter the amount of user education, these malware coders are getting better and better and there's no way to keep users updated on this. The other part is that users need to actually take the time to read prompts and be informed about computer security, which unfortunately most users simply don't care about, they just want their PC to work and when it doesn't, it's IT's fault.
Why did I get into IT?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mooreted I'm a computer tech. Day in and day out we are wiping systems with one variant or another of, WinAntiVirus, System Security Tool, Personal Security, etc. I have customers get infected running Norton, MacAffee, MSE, AVG, Avast. Nothing seems to stop it and nothing seems to be able to remove it.
Is there nothing that can stop it? Well, short of sandboxing the whole system and locking the user down; we can't babysit everyone in town all day.
Is there nothing that can stop it? Well, short of sandboxing the whole system and locking the user down; we can't babysit everyone in town all day.
This site is also useful because it has a website and forum that contains tutorials on how to remove rogue viruses yourself. If you're a Facebook user, LIKE the Malwarebytes' page, or join the Malwarebytes' forum. They also have some tutorials on removing malware.
I read , i dunno something close to two years ago they use install folders on you're system and some of them are hidden in user folder and it will say uninstall
Some of these types of viruses can be stopped but you also got to ask where does one go on the web without getting hit ?
I go to the same sites daily with out hesitation i rarely go elsewhere when web searching cause half of the time you get redirected to places you would rather leave alone
but if what i am posting helps any of you im glad noone deserves such a nasty infection that is so bothersome
Some of these types of viruses can be stopped but you also got to ask where does one go on the web without getting hit ?
I go to the same sites daily with out hesitation i rarely go elsewhere when web searching cause half of the time you get redirected to places you would rather leave alone
but if what i am posting helps any of you im glad noone deserves such a nasty infection that is so bothersome
I surf the Internet from Ubuntu in a VMware Viewer virtual machine, so I don't worry about viruses. I could never get soccer moms to do this however.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 I'm afraid that this type of socially engineered malware can only be countered with education - which may well be a battle that will never be won.
There is no way that any tech can prevent a user from clicking on the link to cure their perceived problem, a perception that is engineered by the malware writingscum fraternity.
There is no way that any tech can prevent a user from clicking on the link to cure their perceived problem, a perception that is engineered by the malware writing
The onus ultimately is on the user [who is clicking merrily away] to be responsible for his/her self.
"Caveat emptor" applies - translated this time as "Clicker Beware"!
Francis93 and Solarstarshines, you both have 666 post as of this thread........ooooh!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere Francis93 and Solarstarshines, you both have 666 post as of this thread........ooooh!
not anymore
�� Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere Francis93 and Solarstarshines, you both have 666 post as of this thread........ooooh!
So how are people getting these viruses? They are going to some website...a flashing, ostentatious neon popup pops up telling them that their computer is at risk/ has a virus and to CLICK HERE to fix it....and they do?
Is that what you're talking about?
Is that what you're talking about?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people So how are people getting these viruses? They are going to some website...a flashing, ostentatious neon popup pops up telling them that their computer is at risk/ has a virus and to CLICK HERE to fix it....and they do?
Is that what you're talking about?
Is that what you're talking about?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people So how are people getting these viruses? They are going to some website...a flashing, ostentatious neon popup pops up telling them that their computer is at risk/ has a virus and to CLICK HERE to fix it....and they do?
Is that what you're talking about?
Is that what you're talking about?
�� NoteExample of warning screen from Personal Antivirus
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mooreted Not only that, I had one customer click the thing and actually pay for it! I told him he better cancel his credit card.
But, it keeps the likes of you and me in work
As an experiment some time a go (a year or so), a web master placed a (benign) link button on his website that stated "click this button to download and install a virus on your computer" or such
he found that in a very short time he had over 400 visitors who clicked on that button
How can any Tech prevent users like this from becoming infected - they cannot!!!
Ok I will admit that some of the scare monger tactics of the legitimate AV industry and major retail chains, to sell their products, does not help to combat this problem
It produces a state of paranoia about the malware situation rather that the informed caution that is actually needed. Users have a state of mind where they are terrified of being infected and so when their fears are proved by the drive by malware they panic and click the button, without thinking
he found that in a very short time he had over 400 visitors who clicked on that button
How can any Tech prevent users like this from becoming infected - they cannot!!!
Ok I will admit that some of the scare monger tactics of the legitimate AV industry and major retail chains, to sell their products, does not help to combat this problem
It produces a state of paranoia about the malware situation rather that the informed caution that is actually needed. Users have a state of mind where they are terrified of being infected and so when their fears are proved by the drive by malware they panic and click the button, without thinking
I can't believe it.
I learned this kind of lesson in about 1998...the hard way...crippled PC's...
I suppose there's new users every minute of every day...who don't know jack
I learned this kind of lesson in about 1998...the hard way...crippled PC's...
I suppose there's new users every minute of every day...who don't know jack
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people I can't believe it.
I learned this kind of lesson in about 1998...the hard way...crippled PC's...
I suppose there's new users every minute of every day...who don't know jack
I learned this kind of lesson in about 1998...the hard way...crippled PC's...
I suppose there's new users every minute of every day...who don't know jack
One very good anti-malware application to have is SpywareBlaster by javacool. This app runs in the background, it's free and it is 'pro' active. SpywareBlaster� | Prevent spyware and malware. Free download.
It needs to be updated manually (free version), or with a donation, it will update itself. Once updated, click the button that says "enable all protection"
It needs to be updated manually (free version), or with a donation, it will update itself. Once updated, click the button that says "enable all protection"
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 Users have a state of mind where they are terrified of being infected and so when their fears are proved by the drive by malware they panic and click the button, without thinking
Before looking at what other software might help, I suggest educating them on all the dangers of the web using a more user friendly version of this article.
I suggest telling them that if they see a message claiming an infection, even if it appears to come from their installed security software, to save and close only what is important, restart the computer and update and run successive scans with their security software.
Of course, some are just not going to listen.
I suggest telling them that if they see a message claiming an infection, even if it appears to come from their installed security software, to save and close only what is important, restart the computer and update and run successive scans with their security software.
Of course, some are just not going to listen.
We do try to tell them. Many of them think that since they have anti-virus software they should be able to do whatever they want. I've tried setting up users with a limited account but they can't seem to deal with logging in as an admin to install stuff. Many of my customers call the computer a modem or a hard drive, they think the hard drive is memory, they think Windows is the computer, have no idea what Flash is, or java, or plugins, or codecs. It's really difficult when people think their computer is the same as their toaster. Push the button and it makes toast.
Maybe after you 'fix' a cutomer's computer, you need to attach an important instruction ... DO NOT plug this in. 
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Jacee Maybe after you 'fix' a cutomer's computer, you need to attach an important instruction ... DO NOT plug this in.
As viruses and scareware evolve, it's going to be harder to keep it out of the sys.
The latest phony AV's not only tell you that there's "something" on the PC, but some of them actually scan ahead and throw up a screen that mimics your current AV. Just last week I saw this on my dentists PC.
And also on a family members PC, to which they (unfortunately) responded by clicking everything they were told to because they "panicked" and thought it was part of their AV "helping" them. I had to wipe the PC's HD & re-install everything. It was that bad.
And they do a good job of scaring the average user too, lots of flashing/blinking and bright red letters saying in essence "OMG, YOU"RE INFECTED....DO SOMETHING QUICKLY OR ALL IS LOST!!!!
As some have said, and I fully agree, education is the key. Not everyone is going to be able to learn about all the intricacies of malware/viruses, but some education can go a long way.
I was over at a friends and I saw a warning message pop up, to which he promptly clicked it off without reading it. I asked what that was & his response was "I don't know, it pops up once in a while." It turns out it was his AV warning him that a prog was trying to establish a connection. A program that turned out to be a virus. He had never bothered to actually read the message, thinking of it as nothing more then an annoyance.
I think as long as these tactics continue, we'll see our fair share of infected PC's. As to the question "Does anything work", not 100%, but vigilance, good AV software and some basic education can at least cut down on some of the infections. (Hopefully)
The latest phony AV's not only tell you that there's "something" on the PC, but some of them actually scan ahead and throw up a screen that mimics your current AV. Just last week I saw this on my dentists PC.
And also on a family members PC, to which they (unfortunately) responded by clicking everything they were told to because they "panicked" and thought it was part of their AV "helping" them. I had to wipe the PC's HD & re-install everything. It was that bad.
And they do a good job of scaring the average user too, lots of flashing/blinking and bright red letters saying in essence "OMG, YOU"RE INFECTED....DO SOMETHING QUICKLY OR ALL IS LOST!!!!
As some have said, and I fully agree, education is the key. Not everyone is going to be able to learn about all the intricacies of malware/viruses, but some education can go a long way.
I was over at a friends and I saw a warning message pop up, to which he promptly clicked it off without reading it. I asked what that was & his response was "I don't know, it pops up once in a while." It turns out it was his AV warning him that a prog was trying to establish a connection. A program that turned out to be a virus. He had never bothered to actually read the message, thinking of it as nothing more then an annoyance.
I think as long as these tactics continue, we'll see our fair share of infected PC's. As to the question "Does anything work", not 100%, but vigilance, good AV software and some basic education can at least cut down on some of the infections. (Hopefully)
We discuss semantics...
Reality - The "nanny state" won't work.
No matter what prevention is used, what standard of computer safety education has been gleaned ...
individuals must take responsibility for their actions or lack thereof -
AND bear the consequences of these actions.
Reality - The "nanny state" won't work.
No matter what prevention is used, what standard of computer safety education has been gleaned ...
individuals must take responsibility for their actions or lack thereof -
AND bear the consequences of these actions.
This is why 99% of people are besides themselves with mania for AV programs...they have some kind of manic blind belief and love for AV. To them an AV program = no virus ever. AV companies lllllloooooveee this kind of attitude.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 As viruses and scareware evolve, it's going to be harder to keep it out of the sys.
The latest phony AV's not only tell you that there's "something" on the PC, but some of them actually scan ahead and throw up a screen that mimics your current AV. Just last week I saw this on my dentists PC.
And also on a family members PC, to which they (unfortunately) responded by clicking everything they were told to because they "panicked" and thought it was part of their AV "helping" them. I had to wipe the PC's HD & re-install everything. It was that bad.
And they do a good job of scaring the average user too, lots of flashing/blinking and bright red letters saying in essence "OMG, YOU"RE INFECTED....DO SOMETHING QUICKLY OR ALL IS LOST!!!!
As some have said, and I fully agree, education is the key. Not everyone is going to be able to learn about all the intricacies of malware/viruses, but some education can go a long way.
I was over at a friends and I saw a warning message pop up, to which he promptly clicked it off without reading it. I asked what that was & his response was "I don't know, it pops up once in a while." It turns out it was his AV warning him that a prog was trying to establish a connection. A program that turned out to be a virus. He had never bothered to actually read the message, thinking of it as nothing more then an annoyance.
I think as long as these tactics continue, we'll see our fair share of infected PC's. As to the question "Does anything work", not 100%, but vigilance, good AV software and some basic education can at least cut down on some of the infections. (Hopefully)
The latest phony AV's not only tell you that there's "something" on the PC, but some of them actually scan ahead and throw up a screen that mimics your current AV. Just last week I saw this on my dentists PC.
And also on a family members PC, to which they (unfortunately) responded by clicking everything they were told to because they "panicked" and thought it was part of their AV "helping" them. I had to wipe the PC's HD & re-install everything. It was that bad.
And they do a good job of scaring the average user too, lots of flashing/blinking and bright red letters saying in essence "OMG, YOU"RE INFECTED....DO SOMETHING QUICKLY OR ALL IS LOST!!!!
As some have said, and I fully agree, education is the key. Not everyone is going to be able to learn about all the intricacies of malware/viruses, but some education can go a long way.
I was over at a friends and I saw a warning message pop up, to which he promptly clicked it off without reading it. I asked what that was & his response was "I don't know, it pops up once in a while." It turns out it was his AV warning him that a prog was trying to establish a connection. A program that turned out to be a virus. He had never bothered to actually read the message, thinking of it as nothing more then an annoyance.
I think as long as these tactics continue, we'll see our fair share of infected PC's. As to the question "Does anything work", not 100%, but vigilance, good AV software and some basic education can at least cut down on some of the infections. (Hopefully)
I have a core of about 10-15 sites in my favourites that I visit pretty much daily...they are good sites, legitimate sites. They aren't the kind of sites that sport neon flashing promises.
What about when a good site goes bad...can a good site be hacked itself and suddenly start spewing pop ups?
In my experience...that is rare to the point of non-existant. I've never seen one of my legit sites start freaking out and promising me to fix my 'viruses'.
So...where are people going to expose themselves to such false positive virus warnings?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people I can't believe it.
I learned this kind of lesson in about 1998...the hard way...crippled PC's...
I suppose there's new users every minute of every day...who don't know jack
I learned this kind of lesson in about 1998...the hard way...crippled PC's...
I suppose there's new users every minute of every day...who don't know jack
The problem is that users just don't give a damn and since a lot of PCs are corporate IT and the actual end user doesn't have to pay that support for the most part, then they don't care. And what's more, a lot of these people are in very locked down network but yet they manage to get to these hacked sites.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people What about when a good site goes bad...can a good site be hacked itself and suddenly start spewing pop ups?
In my experience...that is rare to the point of non-existant. I've never seen one of my legit sites start freaking out and promising me to fix my 'viruses'.
So...where are people going to expose themselves to such false positive virus warnings?
In my experience...that is rare to the point of non-existant. I've never seen one of my legit sites start freaking out and promising me to fix my 'viruses'.
So...where are people going to expose themselves to such false positive virus warnings?
And as JMH says, users do need to take responsibility, if you go looking for illegal downloads and other "shady" items, or peruse questionable sites, then "you takes your chances".
Also, as Darician stated, it doesn't help to stifle the spread of viruses when people think "it's just the company PC, not my own...who cares if it gets infected".
How many times do you still get a FWD E mail from someone that has 300 other E mail addys attached to it. If that E mail lands one one infected computer, all those addys are now potential targets.
Perhaps I am totally missing something here but ...
If Im browsing the web and some scareware like this pops up telling me Im in danger the first thing I do is obviously read what it says.
Second, If the app is NOT Norton, I know right away something is not right and it attempting to trick me into downloading something nasty.
Ill double check my taskbar as well, to see if Norton is reporting anything.
I guess my point is, it doesnt matter what AV you prefer.
If something is telling you theres a security risk and click here to download .. and it is NOT your prefered & installed AV.... somethings wrong.
It just seems to me this would be common sense.
If Im browsing the web and some scareware like this pops up telling me Im in danger the first thing I do is obviously read what it says.
Second, If the app is NOT Norton, I know right away something is not right and it attempting to trick me into downloading something nasty.
Ill double check my taskbar as well, to see if Norton is reporting anything.
I guess my point is, it doesnt matter what AV you prefer.
If something is telling you theres a security risk and click here to download .. and it is NOT your prefered & installed AV.... somethings wrong.
It just seems to me this would be common sense.
I wouldn't be surprised if AV companies actually put out viruses on the net to help sure up the dependency people have on AV's.
Of course, they probably have no need to do that with all the proliferation of scams online anyway.
What virus can penetrate a smart users defenses? Let's say you know not to click strange promises embedded in neon flashing popups...you know not to install mysterious exe files, you know not to visit dodgy sites with gay abandon, you know....etc...you get the idea...
Are there any viruses that have been written that can bypass software and the best human shields?
Of course, they probably have no need to do that with all the proliferation of scams online anyway.
What virus can penetrate a smart users defenses? Let's say you know not to click strange promises embedded in neon flashing popups...you know not to install mysterious exe files, you know not to visit dodgy sites with gay abandon, you know....etc...you get the idea...
Are there any viruses that have been written that can bypass software and the best human shields?
This is a great discussion with a lot of excellent points being made!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people I have a friend who works in security at Microsoft. He was doing a search for information on a server, clicked on one of the search result sites and *poof* the site was infected. He immediately pulled the plug from the 'net, avoiding serious damage. The obvious point being that his computer was most definitely up to date and secure. He was conducting valid research. It can happen to anyone that way.
Although I have been very fortunate and none of my computers have ever been infected (knock on wood), often times when I am merely catching up on forum posts I am only using the mouse. More than once I have been intent on what I was reading and inadvertently clicked a link.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 I agree with the other things you wrote, Borg 386, but it amazes me that this still happens. I cringe when ever I get one of those.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people But what sites are these people visiting?
I have a core of about 10-15 sites in my favourites that I visit pretty much daily...they are good sites, legitimate sites. They aren't the kind of sites that sport neon flashing promises.
What about when a good site goes bad...can a good site be hacked itself and suddenly start spewing pop ups?
In my experience...that is rare to the point of non-existant. I've never seen one of my legit sites start freaking out and promising me to fix my 'viruses'.
So...where are people going to expose themselves to such false positive virus warnings?
I have a core of about 10-15 sites in my favourites that I visit pretty much daily...they are good sites, legitimate sites. They aren't the kind of sites that sport neon flashing promises.
What about when a good site goes bad...can a good site be hacked itself and suddenly start spewing pop ups?
In my experience...that is rare to the point of non-existant. I've never seen one of my legit sites start freaking out and promising me to fix my 'viruses'.
So...where are people going to expose themselves to such false positive virus warnings?
Although I have been very fortunate and none of my computers have ever been infected (knock on wood), often times when I am merely catching up on forum posts I am only using the mouse. More than once I have been intent on what I was reading and inadvertently clicked a link.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 How many times do you still get a FWD E mail from someone that has 300 other E mail addys attached to it. If that E mail lands one one infected computer, all those addys are now potential targets.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster Perhaps I am totally missing something here but ...
If Im browsing the web and some scareware like this pops up telling me Im in danger the first thing I do is obviously read what it says.
Second, If the app is NOT Norton, I know right away something is not right and it attempting to trick me into downloading something nasty.
Ill double check my taskbar as well, to see if Norton is reporting anything.
I guess my point is, it doesnt matter what AV you prefer.
If something is telling you theres a security risk and click here to download .. and it is NOT your prefered & installed AV.... somethings wrong.
It just seems to me this would be common sense.
If Im browsing the web and some scareware like this pops up telling me Im in danger the first thing I do is obviously read what it says.
Second, If the app is NOT Norton, I know right away something is not right and it attempting to trick me into downloading something nasty.
Ill double check my taskbar as well, to see if Norton is reporting anything.
I guess my point is, it doesnt matter what AV you prefer.
If something is telling you theres a security risk and click here to download .. and it is NOT your prefered & installed AV.... somethings wrong.
It just seems to me this would be common sense.
I almost got caught from a legitimate search. I like the Pidgin IM client. I searched for it with Google and clicked the first link. When I clicked the download button I noticed the name was unusual. Then I looked at the URL and noticed this was not the Pidgin IM site. I'm sure if I would have installed that program I would have been infected. It's easy to get fooled if you don't take a close look at the information on your screen.
The site looked just like the real Pidgin site, but it was misspelled. I forgot exactly, but it was a subtle change like Pidgin.im.cz or something. They had the right logo and purple color.
The site looked just like the real Pidgin site, but it was misspelled. I forgot exactly, but it was a subtle change like Pidgin.im.cz or something. They had the right logo and purple color.
I think if you are smart and keep things very simple, problems can be avoided. On my old XP Home PC I ran with no anti virus for 5 years and never had my PC crippled. I don't advise or promote that way of running a PC...but yeah...it seems that a lot of problems are a combination of devious attacking and user error...a terrible mix.
It's not just user error or not knowing better now days the internet suggest you can go here and there and it is safe sites to browse but alot of those sites are contaminated by adds that contain bad java scripts and malware most people get on a new music site to download unknowing half the stuff there getting will infect thiere system but not the mp3 player
anyway my point is this as long as web browsing and multiple sites are options for consumers AV compainies will be beyond super rich just because people will pay for anything when they don't know any better
you really think the machanic fixing you're car is going to be truthfull just like the web you never know what you'll get even pro users as ourselves can catch a mean one once in a while
anyway my point is this as long as web browsing and multiple sites are options for consumers AV compainies will be beyond super rich just because people will pay for anything when they don't know any better
you really think the machanic fixing you're car is going to be truthfull just like the web you never know what you'll get even pro users as ourselves can catch a mean one once in a while
But I ran an XP Home PC for 5 years with no AV installed...and never got a virus. That goes a little beyond luck and more into the territory of smart internet use. AV software companies are a shameful scam preying upon the idiocy of Johnny P.C. Punchclock.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people But I ran an XP Home PC for 5 years with no AV installed...and never got a virus. That goes a little beyond luck and more into the territory of smart internet use. AV software companies are a shameful scam preying upon the idiocy of Johnny P.C. Punchclock.
Anyway, I use MSE and not going to sites likely to host malware and not downloading anything I don't really need. I try to keep my system lean and mean. I really don't need screen savers and free music.
I admit periodically I used to scan for malware...but nothing serious was ever detected.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people I admit periodically I used to scan for malware...but nothing serious was ever detected.
Yeah that's pretty much why I'm running MSE these days....the last month or whatever since my W7 install
Since one cant force the users to practice safe browsing habits and seeing that some users will continue clicking blindly here and there and getting infected, the disc imaging technique could be our best bet..
I've never really understood disc imaging. Maybe it's for another thread...but how does a few gig of disc image account for scores of gig on an OS drive? I don't get how it all compresses to a fraction of the actual size.
You start out using a compression tool to compress massive gigs
then you burn the image as a iso the iso is the image you burn for it to work
then you burn the image as a iso the iso is the image you burn for it to work
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people I've never really understood disc imaging. Maybe it's for another thread...but how does a few gig of disc image account for scores of gig on an OS drive? I don't get how it all compresses to a fraction of the actual size.
Plus, OS auxiliary files aren't backed up. �� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people Leave out 'scam' and I agree. So many people I meet have no AV or PC safety concept ... - Security | DSLReports Forums.
In this day and age, as long as you use a computer, you'd be silly not to have some sort of security.
Websites are being hacked all the time (often, not for malicious reasons) and malicious ads appear on otherwise good websites.
Malicious websites are being pushed to the top of search results through Black Hat Search Engine Optimization techniques.
If you are careful, you can minimize the risk greatly but it is worse for the uninformed with social engineering taking place on social networking sites probably everyday and the other well known techniques (emails, USBs, etc).
�� Quote: Originally Posted by hello people shameful scam preying upon the idiocy of Johnny P.C. Punchclock.
In this day and age, as long as you use a computer, you'd be silly not to have some sort of security.
Websites are being hacked all the time (often, not for malicious reasons) and malicious ads appear on otherwise good websites.
Malicious websites are being pushed to the top of search results through Black Hat Search Engine Optimization techniques.
If you are careful, you can minimize the risk greatly but it is worse for the uninformed with social engineering taking place on social networking sites probably everyday and the other well known techniques (emails, USBs, etc).
For sure...I agree that the uninformed will be the first and maybe only to get burnt. As I said...I ran no AV for 5 years and never got crippled. That's a little more than dumb luck. And stats like that fly in the face of 'you'd be silly not to have some sort of security'. The reason I never ran an AV was because they were all so intrusive and with such an annoying footprint. What it means to me is that a PC can run without an AV as long as the user knows what he's doing. But if a user doesn't know what he's doing then no AV in the world will protect him. This is pretty much why I think AV's are scamola...still I use MSE just for a tiny bit of peace of mind. The rest of my peace of mind comes from my knowledge that I can surf the net without shooting myself repeatedly in the foot.
I don't know what the situation was like five years ago.
I'd be running without a real-time anti-virus right now but I currently have to share a laptop with my parents.
I wouldn't run without multiple on-demand scanners or other protection measures such as Applocker, though.
You never know which website is going to be hacked next or whether or not you will stumble upon it.
People, also, make mistakes.
I'd be running without a real-time anti-virus right now but I currently have to share a laptop with my parents.
I wouldn't run without multiple on-demand scanners or other protection measures such as Applocker, though.
You never know which website is going to be hacked next or whether or not you will stumble upon it.
People, also, make mistakes.
In the last fifteen years the main aim of Malware has changed, What started as a set of "hackers" writing code to prove something to their peers, to today's multi-million dollar industry.
Whereas the payload of the early Malware was an annoyance, (screen melting, and the rest),which did escelate to software damaging payloads
The payload of the current crop of Malware is designed to create Botnets, steal identities, and properties / money. There is no user visible payload, and as has often been the case, only the errors in the code will make the average user aware that something is wrong.
Whereas it was possible to run a carefully managed system without AV in the past I would not recommend it in today's world, too much is at stake to chance the "perfect" Malware attack doing it's damage before even the most advanced user in the field can notice it.
Whereas the payload of the early Malware was an annoyance, (screen melting, and the rest),which did escelate to software damaging payloads
The payload of the current crop of Malware is designed to create Botnets, steal identities, and properties / money. There is no user visible payload, and as has often been the case, only the errors in the code will make the average user aware that something is wrong.
Whereas it was possible to run a carefully managed system without AV in the past I would not recommend it in today's world, too much is at stake to chance the "perfect" Malware attack doing it's damage before even the most advanced user in the field can notice it.
I ran my PC without AV from 2005 - Oct 2010...just for the record
I really like win7 and I can protect it but I find myself using Ubuntu because of all these security issues.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by bigcitycat I really like win7 and I can protect it but I find myself using Ubuntu because of all these security issues.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by bigcitycat I really like win7 and I can protect it but I find myself using Ubuntu because of all these security issues.
No matter what OS you use, your best defence lies between your ears...
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