So, I want to have Windows 7 Home Premium 86x and 64x versions installed on my PC with dualboot. I have 86x version of Windows 7 installed already. So, for 64x version, I have to create a new partition. The problem is, I already have 4 primary partitions, so I can't create a new one (I read somewhere that Windows have to be installed on a primary partition). Here is the picture: 
(Don't mind disk 2, it's just the external drive).
If I try to create a partition on "Unallocated", Acronis Disk says this:
My question is, which of these partitions on disk 1 can I safely convert to logical? If I am wrong here and I still won't be able to create a new primary partition for Windows to be installed on, please let me know. I'm really not so good at this things.
(Don't mind disk 2, it's just the external drive).
If I try to create a partition on "Unallocated", Acronis Disk says this:
My question is, which of these partitions on disk 1 can I safely convert to logical? If I am wrong here and I still won't be able to create a new primary partition for Windows to be installed on, please let me know. I'm really not so good at this things.
This tutorial will help you to make the new partition as logical.
Partition / Extended : Logical Drives
The local volume can be converted to logical safely. At first you are to back the entire data of the volume up . Then Boot into Partition Wizard live CD (download link is there in the tutorial). Now format the partition as logical .
Edit : I guessed that windows is not installed in Local Volume; it is in boot. I dont ues acronis. If you cam post a snip of your disk management window it would be easier to understand the situation more properly .
Partition / Extended : Logical Drives
The local volume can be converted to logical safely. At first you are to back the entire data of the volume up . Then Boot into Partition Wizard live CD (download link is there in the tutorial). Now format the partition as logical .
Edit : I guessed that windows is not installed in Local Volume; it is in boot. I dont ues acronis. If you cam post a snip of your disk management window it would be easier to understand the situation more properly .
Do you suggest method 1 or 2?
EDIT: OK, I didn't read carefully, the method 2 is the one to use.
EDIT: OK, I didn't read carefully, the method 2 is the one to use.
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Do you suggest method 1 or 2?
EDIT: OK, I didn't read carefully, the method 2 is the one to use.
EDIT: OK, I didn't read carefully, the method 2 is the one to use.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Arc Edit : I guessed that windows is not installed in Local Volume; it is in boot. I dont ues acronis. If you cam post a snip of your disk management window it would be easier to understand the situation more properly .
Acronis says the last partition is of 1001 gb, but disk management is saying it to be 1 gb (the OEM partition) ! Gb. There must be something wrong in my understanding the Acronis window. 
Better you create a new partition in the unallocated 97.66 gb space, and format it as logical.
Better you create a new partition in the unallocated 97.66 gb space, and format it as logical.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Arc Acronis says the last partition is of 1001 gb, but disk management is saying it to be 1 gb (the OEM partition) ! Gb. There must be something wrong in my understanding the Acronis window.
Better you create a new partition in the unallocated 97.66 gb space, and format it as logical.
Better you create a new partition in the unallocated 97.66 gb space, and format it as logical.
Holy over-partitioning, Batman! Have you considered drastically simplifying? First off, I'd ditch the dual-booting and go with a VM, especially since you are dual-booting the same OS. You don't need to worry about testing anymore or have a fear of going to x64. Second, if you make recovery discs and store them safe, you an do away with recovery partitions and regain the space.
K.I.S.S. is the philosophy I follow.
K.I.S.S. is the philosophy I follow.
The problem with virtualization is that I can't use all RAM available.
You could if you did a clean install with Windows 7 x64 only. Then if you needed to run an x86 OS, you could do so easily.
Yeah but I don't want to lose data on my current Windows. So dualboot is the only option.
That's wasting a ton of space and the money it costs for a second license. Backup your data first, and then all is well. I'm going to sound like an ass when I say this....but we see this a lot. If that data is that precious that you don't want to lose it....you should have a method of backing it up already. Since it appears you have two drives, you could move your data to the second driver, and then disconnect it. Power the system back on and load Windows 7 x64 clean. Reconnect the drive once the OS is done, and you'll be simplified to one OS, and your data can be accessed to restore it.
That works for documents, pictures...but my main concern are programs-I can't back up those. And I really don't want to reainstall them all again, do all the settings...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 �� Quote: Originally Posted by Arc Acronis says the last partition is of 1001 gb, but disk management is saying it to be 1 gb (the OEM partition) ! Gb. There must be something wrong in my understanding the Acronis window.
Better you create a new partition in the unallocated 97.66 gb space, and format it as logical.
Better you create a new partition in the unallocated 97.66 gb space, and format it as logical.
But as the a logical partition cannot be marked active, it will not be the system partition . A logical drive can boot from it, so it would not be a problem to boot an os from it .
Visualization is not a bad idea at all . When creating the virtual machine for windows 7 64 bit, you can adjust the RAM size .
What would happen if your primary hard drive dies? If they are important programs, then you always have a way of reinstalling them. Reinstall times and configuration is always over-blown. Yes, it takes time, but given the system will run at full efficiency, with latest drivers and app updates...it is well worth it in the end. I've simplified the process down for me to be able to do a clean install and software reload in about 90 minutes or so. I'm sure it will take others longer, but what you get in the long run is well worth it.
Setting up a dual boot isn't going to make your applications available to the x64 OS. You'd still be booting to the x86 side to use them. So you still aren't going to accomplish what you want, but you'll waste more disk space and chew up a second license key.
Setting up a dual boot isn't going to make your applications available to the x64 OS. You'd still be booting to the x86 side to use them. So you still aren't going to accomplish what you want, but you'll waste more disk space and chew up a second license key.
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Yeah, but will I be able to install Windows 7 x64 on a logical partition?
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@DeaconFrost
Do you mean programs won't work as in x64, but still in x86 (possibly slower)?
@DeaconFrost
Do you mean programs won't work as in x64, but still in x86 (possibly slower)?
I see that Unallocated is already a logical partition. So can I simply put x64 Windows 7 installation DVD in, boot from DVD and install it? Will it do all by itself?
I mean if you boot into x64, you won't be able to run the programs that are currently installed on the x86 side. You would need to have them installed on the x64 as well. You stated you can't do this for some reason. If that's still confusing, let me try with an example.
If you have a program, let's say Nero, install currently in Windows 7 x86. Then you set up a second OS, in Windows 7 x64. You won't be able to just magically boot into Windows 7 x64 and run Nero. You'd have to install Nero to the x64 OS so all the registry settings and system files get installed.
That's why I've been saying to simplify from the beginning. Get the reinstallation media or files for your programs, or find alternatives...then do a clean install of one OS, x64 in this case. Then you'll be able to reinstall your apps.
If you have a program, let's say Nero, install currently in Windows 7 x86. Then you set up a second OS, in Windows 7 x64. You won't be able to just magically boot into Windows 7 x64 and run Nero. You'd have to install Nero to the x64 OS so all the registry settings and system files get installed.
That's why I've been saying to simplify from the beginning. Get the reinstallation media or files for your programs, or find alternatives...then do a clean install of one OS, x64 in this case. Then you'll be able to reinstall your apps.
Technically there is a possibility of having a dual boot, but rationally I am with DeaconFrost. A license key is not that cheap as storage spaces are 
First you are to allocate the space, format it to be able to be used. It is better done by PW live CD. A windows 7 disk cannot make a logical partition , and you do have maximum number of permissible partitions(that a windows 7 disk can make); so the partition will not be formatted and windows wount be installed.
First format that partition as logical, and then install 64 bit windows in that partition, if you really want to have a dual boot .
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I see that Unallocated is already a logical partition. So can I simply put x64 Windows 7 installation DVD in, boot from DVD and install it? Will it do all by itself?
First format that partition as logical, and then install 64 bit windows in that partition, if you really want to have a dual boot .
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 I see that Unallocated is already a logical partition. So can I simply put x64 Windows 7 installation DVD in, boot from DVD and install it? Will it do all by itself?
Either way, setting up a dual boot, while being an old, stale technology, is easy to do, if you pick the wrong partition or make a mistake, you could render the system unbootable. You would want to have a good backup of your data before trying this anyway...just in case.
No matter what, the solution seems to go back to getting a method of backing up your data, getting the apps ready, and just doing the clean install. And, as Arc said, a backup drive will cost far less than a second license for Windows 7.
I understand. But actually, I would only need x64 Windows for one program, I don't need it for the ones that are currently installed (something more than 400 Gb)-that's why Unallocated would be big enough for me (90 Gb). When the time will come, I will upgrade fully to x64(maybe when my computer is unrepairable because of the virus ), but for now, x86 serves me well enough.
), but for now, x86 serves me well enough. And by the way, I already have a licence for x64 Windows 7- it came with my computer when I bought it.
Is that license key currently in use for your current x86 install? If you do decide to go ahead with the dual boot, I would still strongly recommend having your data backed up first.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 I see that Unallocated is already a logical partition. So can I simply put x64 Windows 7 installation DVD in, boot from DVD and install it? Will it do all by itself?
@DeaconFrost
I got two DVDs with my computer-one for x86 W7 and the other with x64 W7, but x86 was preinstalled on the computer.
@debugged
Well, this program says different:
Although it seems strange to me too.
I got two DVDs with my computer-one for x86 W7 and the other with x64 W7, but x86 was preinstalled on the computer.
@debugged
Well, this program says different:
Although it seems strange to me too.
About your dual boot installation, follow it carefully.
1. boot into PW live cd, create a new partition , and format it logical. I have stated it in my previous post that other than that why windows will not be installed there.
2. After applying the changes, restart your computer, and boot into Win7 64 bit DVD, install it in the new partition . It will be automatically add the boot entry in the MBR.
3. If you want to change the boot sequence, you can do it by using EasyBCD .
1. boot into PW live cd, create a new partition , and format it logical. I have stated it in my previous post that other than that why windows will not be installed there.
2. After applying the changes, restart your computer, and boot into Win7 64 bit DVD, install it in the new partition . It will be automatically add the boot entry in the MBR.
3. If you want to change the boot sequence, you can do it by using EasyBCD .
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 Well, this program says different
Ok, thank's for help, but I will do that tomorrow, it's a little late here in Slovenia.
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Yeah, but will I be able to install Windows 7 x64 on a logical partition?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 Ok, thank's for help, but I will do that tomorrow, it's a little late here in Slovenia.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 I got two DVDs with my computer-one for x86 W7 and the other with x64 W7, but x86 was preinstalled on the computer.
I was going to tell you that you don't need extra software or to format the unallocated space before starting the install, but without a second key, it doesn't matter at this point.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 I got two DVDs with my computer-one for x86 W7 and the other with x64 W7, but x86 was preinstalled on the computer.
I was going to tell you that you don't need extra software or to format the unallocated space before starting the install, but without a second key, it doesn't matter at this point.
If the OP do have/ can afford a second license key, he would be able to manage the situation .
I've never tried, but as far as I know and have read, since the hardware hashes would match, when he tried to activate, he'd get a message that the key was already in use.
Oh come on, Microsoft and it's licence keys 
. If a licence will be blocked, will that non-genuine sign appear also on x86 Windows?
. If a licence will be blocked, will that non-genuine sign appear also on x86 Windows? That's nothing to get angry at Microsoft for. People always have the option of using Linux if they don't like license keys, or OSX where you have to pay an OS price for what amounts to a service pack.
I believe it would fail to activate the newer, x64 OS, but would leave your older x86 OS intact. Maybe someone with more experience would chime in, but that's always been the case...and the reason I brought up the license keys way back in the early part of the thread.
The reason people don't come across this "issue", again, is something I mentioned early on...that there's no reason to dual boot the same OS. I would actually go so far as to say there's no need to dual boot at all anymore, but some people are afraid of virtualization for whatever reason.
I believe it would fail to activate the newer, x64 OS, but would leave your older x86 OS intact. Maybe someone with more experience would chime in, but that's always been the case...and the reason I brought up the license keys way back in the early part of the thread.
The reason people don't come across this "issue", again, is something I mentioned early on...that there's no reason to dual boot the same OS. I would actually go so far as to say there's no need to dual boot at all anymore, but some people are afraid of virtualization for whatever reason.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Arc Dont forget to use Partition Wizard Bootable CD to create and format the new partition
As long as he has the keys for both systems.
I'll give it a try. If x64 won't be activated, I'll simply delete it and party over.
You don't need to format the partition ahead of time. Call me old school, but I always install my OSes to blank, unformatted drives/partitions.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 No harm in trying it, I suppose, but one of the OSes is going to start complaining. I still wouldn't mess with partitions and second OSes without backing up important data. We've seen too many threads of people asking for help on recovering their data because they didn't back up first.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 I'll give it a try. If x64 won't be activated, I'll simply delete it and party over.
Hm, now you've scared me a little bit. I will leave it as it is, it's not so important for me to have x64 Windows afterall. But I remember I have a Windows XP CD somewhere too, can I install that?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost You don't need to format the partition ahead of time.
You can, but you'll need to do some extra work and use a third party tool to handle the booting, as the newer OS is already on the system.
I'm also making an assumption that the XP disc is only 32 bit, meaning it will give you absolutely nothing over your current install, so why bother?
It I can make an assumption/observation....it seems like you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole of a convoluted system here without knowing what or why you are jumping in. That usually leads to data loss and/or a non-booting system.
If it was me, I'd do one of two things. I'd leave Windows 7 x86 installed as the only OS, and spend my efforts organizing all the partitions and consolidating them. Or, I'd back up my data by getting an external drive, wipe the whole thing clean and installing one OS, preferably Windows 7 x64, cleanly, with a normal drive/partition structure, and be done with it.
I'm also making an assumption that the XP disc is only 32 bit, meaning it will give you absolutely nothing over your current install, so why bother?
It I can make an assumption/observation....it seems like you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole of a convoluted system here without knowing what or why you are jumping in. That usually leads to data loss and/or a non-booting system.
If it was me, I'd do one of two things. I'd leave Windows 7 x86 installed as the only OS, and spend my efforts organizing all the partitions and consolidating them. Or, I'd back up my data by getting an external drive, wipe the whole thing clean and installing one OS, preferably Windows 7 x64, cleanly, with a normal drive/partition structure, and be done with it.
Yeah, but with Partition Wizard i can't create partition. It says there aren't any free slots or something like that.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by debugged It's when you start doing multi-boots that it is often better to format ahead of time.
Installing XP after you have Windows 7 installed is more trouble than installing another Windows 7, so don't rush into it, but there are good tutorials for it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 Yeah, but with Partition Wizard i can't create partition. It says there aren't any free slots or something like that.
As you are already have four Primary partitions you cannot add another without converting the Disk to Dynamic which you should not do. So deleting the 1gb partition leaves you three Primary which will then automatically create the fourth as a Logical Extended suitable for a second install and any future sub-partitions you want to add.
Save a backup image of the 1gb OEM factory partition (or give it a letter in Disk Mgmt to see what is in there and back it up) in case the file(s) there is something you want restored later. These are normally factory utilities which have much better versions built into Win7, and are not needed.
Then rightclick the 1gb partition to Delete it.
Now rightclick the large Unallocated Space to Create a Logical extended partition there for your new install and any other sub-partitions you want to add. The installer will update the boot files on the System Reserved partition as long as it remains the only one (correctly) marked Active.
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Save a backup image of the 1gb OEM factory partition (or give it a letter in Disk Mgmt to see what is in there and back it up) in case the file(s) there is something you want restored later. These are normally factory utilities which have much better versions built into Win7, and are not needed.
Then rightclick the 1gb partition to Delete it.
Now rightclick the large Unallocated Space to Create a Logical extended partition there for your new install and any other sub-partitions you want to add. The installer will update the boot files on the System Reserved partition as long as it remains the only one (correctly) marked Active.
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@DeaconFrost
OK, I will now explain why I need an another OS-the reason is very stupid actually and probably not worth going trough all taht procedures. It's something wrong with the internet on my currently installed Windows, because everytime I play an online game, it just lags and eventually crashes because of high ping (at first it's low but then is very high for some time) and internet crashes too. I don't know the reason (maybe it's firewall or I don't know what), but I thought if I try to run the game on another OS without 3rd party firewall, it would work. I tried with virtualization in VirtualBOX, but there wasn't enough RAM and graphical memory. Now, I'm slowly leaning towards complete reinstall of Windows 7, but it will wait for a little time.
OK, I will now explain why I need an another OS-the reason is very stupid actually and probably not worth going trough all taht procedures. It's something wrong with the internet on my currently installed Windows, because everytime I play an online game, it just lags and eventually crashes because of high ping (at first it's low but then is very high for some time) and internet crashes too. I don't know the reason (maybe it's firewall or I don't know what), but I thought if I try to run the game on another OS without 3rd party firewall, it would work. I tried with virtualization in VirtualBOX, but there wasn't enough RAM and graphical memory. Now, I'm slowly leaning towards complete reinstall of Windows 7, but it will wait for a little time.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost The boot files can and will be written to the drive with the existing OS, regardless.
This would be a simple install, if it weren't for the license key issues, except for the "logical" unallocated space which doesn't make sense and should be checked out first.
Yes, gaming in a VM is the only real "drawback" at this point. It's getting better...but not what it could be. There a couple of things that come to mind. First, does the game have any updates or patches? Do you have the latest network card drivers loaded? You mention a third-party firewall, so have you disabled/removed that to see if the game runs as it should? How is your regular web-borwsing and downloading of files....does that all go as expected? Do you connect directly to your service provider's modem, or do you have a home router in between?
By the way, that isn't a stupid reason at all. If it is a game you really want to play, then I can see why you'd want to get it resolved. I would just hate to see you dig into a deeper whole where your OS wouldn't run at all, or you'd lose some data in the process.
By the way, that isn't a stupid reason at all. If it is a game you really want to play, then I can see why you'd want to get it resolved. I would just hate to see you dig into a deeper whole where your OS wouldn't run at all, or you'd lose some data in the process.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by debugged The boot files in this case are in system reserve, so just the information in them will just be updated.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by benja8151 Yeah, but with Partition Wizard i can't create partition. It says there aren't any free slots or something like that.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost �� Quote: Originally Posted by debugged The boot files in this case are in system reserve, so just the information in them will just be updated.
This may not be on topic, as it's not clear if the OP wants to install XP but you can certainly have a system reserve partition with XP: mark the system reserve active and put XP on a logical partition. You can't do that with Windows installation procedures, but you can by formatting in advance with PW.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost You have four partitions already, if I remember correctly, I think that's a limit of some kind.
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You also don't want to be messing around with partitioning, even with quality software like Partition Wizard, without having your data backed up.
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