Are all the pre-order deals for upgrade software rather the full retail versions?
I have shelled out quite a bit on WinXP over the past few years and more recently due to both desktop and laptop falling over at the same time.
I want to be able to install any new operating system I buy on new hardware when that becomes necessary.
I have to be very sure. I am not wasting any more dosh on OEM versions.
It seems to me that just because you get a full version rather than an upgrade, that is something different to the license being OEM or Retail.
Full or upgrade version is not really the issue (although full is obviously better). For me it is about the license to install on new hardware as I upgrade that without buying a new copy of windows.
Does 'full' also mean that the install will not be tied to a previous copy of windows being installed first (or having the key for that version to hand)?
I have shelled out quite a bit on WinXP over the past few years and more recently due to both desktop and laptop falling over at the same time.
I want to be able to install any new operating system I buy on new hardware when that becomes necessary.
I have to be very sure. I am not wasting any more dosh on OEM versions.
It seems to me that just because you get a full version rather than an upgrade, that is something different to the license being OEM or Retail.
Full or upgrade version is not really the issue (although full is obviously better). For me it is about the license to install on new hardware as I upgrade that without buying a new copy of windows.
Does 'full' also mean that the install will not be tied to a previous copy of windows being installed first (or having the key for that version to hand)?
Full means that you can do a clean install on a clean hard drive, without having to prove you owned a previous version or doing the double install upgrade disk method. You wouldn't necessarily benifit from getting the full version, as you can clean install the upgrade disk, then upgrade the newly installed 7 to 7 again then your key will work, or you could insert the previous OS disk during the setup and the key will work. And yeah, only the upgrade version is being offered at low sale prices, and even that ends on the 11th.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by grouchpunk08 
Full means that you can do a clean install on a clean hard drive, without having to prove you owned a previous version or doing the double install upgrade disk method. You wouldn't necessarily benifit from getting the full version, as you can clean install the upgrade disk, then upgrade the newly installed 7 to 7 again then your key will work, or you could insert the previous OS disk during the setup and the key will work. And yeah, only the upgrade version is being offered at low sale prices, and even that ends on the 11th.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd I can't seem to get into my head if I can do a clean install with an upgrade version on a new drive with no previous version. I think no. However I have been told I can. What is the final verdict on this?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by grouchpunk08 According to a call to microsoft a couple weeks ago, even when performing an upgrade, clean installing is the recommended method. I was told that when performing the upgrade, if there was no previous version on it, it would ask for a previous OS disk, just like it has in other versions of windows. And if you don't have the disk, you can continue,
�� Quote: Originally Posted by grouchpunk08 then you can upgrade your newly installed win7 to win7 using the same upgrade disk, and this will make it to where your upgrade key will work.
Okay...I have been told if you don't have the disk for the previous version ytou cannot continue and I will have wasted my money. You are saying it will let you continue without the disk.......
Well, thanks for the info.
Well, thanks for the info.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kevvyb Got it up to there.....
Could you explain this bit again......it's probably so obvious to you but you lost me there
Could you explain this bit again......it's probably so obvious to you but you lost me there
Boot from the DVD, and choose setup to start the install.
Choose advanced and select where you want to install.
When it asks you for a key or a previous OS disk, dont put in a key, and dont put in a disk, and just continue.
Let it finish, and then it will go to your desktop. Don't try to activate now either, as you have an 'upgrade' key.
To get your key to be able to work, you will run the upgrade disk from inside this newly installed windows 7. Then you choose upgrade. It will basically upgrade from 7 to 7. Then once this 'upgrade' is complete, you can use your 'upgrade key to activate you windows 7 installation. Cuz you 'upgraded'.
MS has put this little workaround in all their upgrade media since XP I believe. Hope this is a clear enough explanation
�� Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd Okay...I have been told if you don't have the disk for the previous version ytou cannot continue and I will have wasted my money. You are saying it will let you continue without the disk.......
Well, thanks for the info.
Well, thanks for the info.
Thanks. I can follow that and Know what I need to do but it still sounds like it doesn't really make sense, or shouldn't sense 
Of course here in the UK because the fuss the EU is making, if I am lucky enough to get hold of a copy(s), they will be the full (E) versions.
Will that mean that I just install with the key that comes with the E disk and won't have to go through that upgrade process....?
Tell me if I am wrong but I don't think this answers the OEM/retail question which I suppose comes down to the licence agreement.
I need to know if I go for the offer that this will not restrict me to installing on just the one machine.
Of course here in the UK because the fuss the EU is making, if I am lucky enough to get hold of a copy(s), they will be the full (E) versions.
Will that mean that I just install with the key that comes with the E disk and won't have to go through that upgrade process....?
Tell me if I am wrong but I don't think this answers the OEM/retail question which I suppose comes down to the licence agreement.
I need to know if I go for the offer that this will not restrict me to installing on just the one machine.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kevvyb Thanks. I can follow that and Know what I need to do but it still sounds like it doesn't really make sense, or shouldn't sense
Of course here in the UK because the fuss the EU is making, if I am lucky enough to get hold of a copy(s), they will be the full (E) versions.
Will that mean that I just install with the key that comes with the E disk and won't have to go through that upgrade process....?
Tell me if I am wrong but I don't think this answers the OEM/retail question which I suppose comes down to the licence agreement.
I need to know if I go for the offer that this will not restrict me to installing on just the one machine.
Of course here in the UK because the fuss the EU is making, if I am lucky enough to get hold of a copy(s), they will be the full (E) versions.
Will that mean that I just install with the key that comes with the E disk and won't have to go through that upgrade process....?
Tell me if I am wrong but I don't think this answers the OEM/retail question which I suppose comes down to the licence agreement.
I need to know if I go for the offer that this will not restrict me to installing on just the one machine.
Just to chime in on the title of this post.
Full and Upgrade are types of installs
OEM and Retail are types of licenses..
Full and Upgrade are types of installs
OEM and Retail are types of licenses..
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Just to chime in on the title of this post.
Full and Upgrade are types of installs
OEM and Retail are types of licenses..
Full and Upgrade are types of installs
OEM and Retail are types of licenses..
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kevvyb That's exactly what I was trying to get at as I thought that was the case. Do you have any view on the licensing for retail versions? I had understood that they could be moved from one machine to another (as long as on o only one machine at a time) and were not restricted to the machine by hardware hash like OEM copies. I thought that was why OEM copies were cheaper.
Retail can be used on unlimited systems, but only 1 at a time.
Sorry kev, I completely misunderstood the question you were asking. my last post is somewhat related, although not explained well. Retail licenses, as far as I know, able to be transferred from machine to machine, as long as you only have one activated machine running. Like, if you install on one machine, ok, then once you install on another machine, you're not allowed to run the first machines installation anymore. I thnk thats how it works, someone correct me if I'm wrong
I probably didn't ask the question very clearly.
I have never seen this working except with Adobe Photoshop. That app somehow registers the installation on up to two machines. Beyond that you get an error message advising that it is already installed on two machines (as allowed by license). The process of uninstalling can be done with an operation to move the license to another machine. Very clever. If you forget to do the 'official transfer' operation you're stuffed. Lost one bit of the license!!
Never used anything other than OEM versions of windows so far so have not idea how MS does it.
So can I assume that the versions of Win 7 on offer will be retail versions?
I have never seen this working except with Adobe Photoshop. That app somehow registers the installation on up to two machines. Beyond that you get an error message advising that it is already installed on two machines (as allowed by license). The process of uninstalling can be done with an operation to move the license to another machine. Very clever. If you forget to do the 'official transfer' operation you're stuffed. Lost one bit of the license!!
Never used anything other than OEM versions of windows so far so have not idea how MS does it.
So can I assume that the versions of Win 7 on offer will be retail versions?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kevvyb I probably didn't ask the question very clearly.
I have never seen this working except with Adobe Photoshop. That app somehow registers the installation on up to two machines. Beyond that you get an error message advising that it is already installed on two machines (as allowed by license). The process of uninstalling can be done with an operation to move the license to another machine. Very clever. If you forget to do the 'official transfer' operation you're stuffed. Lost one bit of the license!!
Never used anything other than OEM versions of windows so far so have not idea how MS does it.
So can I assume that the versions of Win 7 on offer will be retail versions?
I have never seen this working except with Adobe Photoshop. That app somehow registers the installation on up to two machines. Beyond that you get an error message advising that it is already installed on two machines (as allowed by license). The process of uninstalling can be done with an operation to move the license to another machine. Very clever. If you forget to do the 'official transfer' operation you're stuffed. Lost one bit of the license!!
Never used anything other than OEM versions of windows so far so have not idea how MS does it.
So can I assume that the versions of Win 7 on offer will be retail versions?
clean install is probably the best solution.
Thanks for the info - that's great to know. I don't have my initial disk for VIsta. Thanks!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by grouchpunk08 yeah, when you buy windows 7 either from a store or from the MS website, it will be a retail license.
As discussed in this thread, had I gone with the retail, I could have moved it to another computer if I had wanted to. With the OEM copy, it's really tied to my specific computer that I activated it on. However, if you change enough hardware out on the machine, you have to reactivate and that sometimes fails if the machine "appears" too different to Microsoft. Generally speaking, a phone call to MS gets you activated again. I've heard of cases where people have moved the OEM to a completely different computer and called MS and did get activated again. I however am content with having this OS on this 1 and only 1 computer and following the license agreement. For all of my other computers, i run various flavors of Linux.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kevvyb I have never seen this working except with Adobe Photoshop. That app somehow registers the installation on up to two machines. Beyond that you get an error message advising that it is already installed on two machines (as allowed by license). The process of uninstalling can be done with an operation to move the license to another machine. Very clever. If you forget to do the 'official transfer' operation you're stuffed. Lost one bit of the license!!
Never used anything other than OEM versions of windows so far so have not idea how MS does it.
So can I assume that the versions of Win 7 on offer will be retail versions?
Never used anything other than OEM versions of windows so far so have not idea how MS does it.
So can I assume that the versions of Win 7 on offer will be retail versions?
Retail vs. OEM - As has been stated above, retail can be moved from one machine to another with no issues as long as you don't have more than one machine activated at a time. I don't know how MS knows you've "deactivated" a previous build .... maybe it has something to do with timing of the activation attempts. I don't know.
I believe OEM versions are distributed to resellers ... as in machine builders and retail versions are distributed to real people. That being the case, I think we can all count on getting retail versions. I would sure hope so!
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I believe OEM versions are distributed to resellers ... as in machine builders and retail versions are distributed to real people. That being the case, I think we can all count on getting retail versions. I would sure hope so!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kevvyb This is not quite true is it....? I have bought all my OEM versions of XP from on-line retailers!!
And yup - me to. Places like viosoftware.com, newegg.com, etc. These are all retailers... true in that they are retailing (selling to you). But, they are also (and more correctly) resellers.
No worries though. I would love for someone who knows more about all this to step in and provide some real, solid knowledge to the question.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by another forum The US pre-order offer is an upgrade which, by implication, is restricted to one machine. The E version (for us) is a clean install but it requires a qualifying operating system (XP or Vista) to be currently installed. So, like the US version, it is tied to one machine and to me that means OEM.
Actually you can CLEAN install with a "UPGRADE" version.
The upgrade version is also CHEAPER. You can also buy OEM from almost any computer online RETAIL store.
so you have the option of any version,
1. OEM = FULL bought from Store= you get no support,
2. RETAIL = Ful l= cost more and you get SUPPORT,(read the warranty very close.)
3. OEM from store bought with computer = you get company support from the Computer manufacture.
4. Upgrade is cheapest version of FULL = No support = is fully operational, with option (a.) upgrade or (b.) clean install.
Actually the UPGRADE or OEM w/o support are the BEST Buys... You will get better support from a Online Forum than you will from some STORE.
The upgrade version is also CHEAPER. You can also buy OEM from almost any computer online RETAIL store.
so you have the option of any version,
1. OEM = FULL bought from Store= you get no support,
2. RETAIL = Ful l= cost more and you get SUPPORT,(read the warranty very close.)
3. OEM from store bought with computer = you get company support from the Computer manufacture.
4. Upgrade is cheapest version of FULL = No support = is fully operational, with option (a.) upgrade or (b.) clean install.
Actually the UPGRADE or OEM w/o support are the BEST Buys... You will get better support from a Online Forum than you will from some STORE.
Thanks. Had not realized the distinction between retailer and reseller was virtually non-existant.
Let's hope that when these actually become available one of these 'resellers' or retailers will actually know themselves what they are selling before I have to make a decision to purchase or not!
Let's hope that when these actually become available one of these 'resellers' or retailers will actually know themselves what they are selling before I have to make a decision to purchase or not!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by from another forum According to the Microsoft UK store the pre-order version will be a full retail version - I called them. Btw, the number is 00800 2727 0909, choose option 4. Opening times are 9am-6pm, Mon-Fri & Sat 9am-1pm (I think).
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy Actually you can CLEAN install with a "UPGRADE" version.
The upgrade version is also CHEAPER. You can also buy OEM from almost any computer online RETAIL store.
so you have the option of any version,
1. OEM = FULL bought from Store= you get no support,
2. RETAIL = Ful l= cost more and you get SUPPORT,(read the warranty very close.)
3. OEM from store bought with computer = you get company support from the Computer manufacture.
4. Upgrade is cheapest version of FULL = No support = is fully operational, with option (a.) upgrade or (b.) clean install.
Actually the UPGRADE or OEM w/o support are the BEST Buys... You will get better support from a Online Forum than you will from some STORE.
The upgrade version is also CHEAPER. You can also buy OEM from almost any computer online RETAIL store.
so you have the option of any version,
1. OEM = FULL bought from Store= you get no support,
2. RETAIL = Ful l= cost more and you get SUPPORT,(read the warranty very close.)
3. OEM from store bought with computer = you get company support from the Computer manufacture.
4. Upgrade is cheapest version of FULL = No support = is fully operational, with option (a.) upgrade or (b.) clean install.
Actually the UPGRADE or OEM w/o support are the BEST Buys... You will get better support from a Online Forum than you will from some STORE.
I had a problem one time and I had to do a system recovery. Well the disks I created for system recovery malfunctioned and I had to call hp and have them send me hp recovery disks because I bought my computer with Vista installed. If you can not re install from the upgrade, I am worried that it's possible that the system recovery discs may malfunction again.
Separate question.
Would the HP system recovery disc that I have work in the upgrade process?
Okay I called Microsoft about this. You can re install as many times as you want, but it's only good for one pc.
One PC at a time is my understanding. So you can install on one PC, then if you decide you want it on another PC, you just remove it from or install something else on the old PC and reinstall your upgrade version of 7 on the new PC. I think you can move it to as many different PC's as you want, as long as it is only activated on one PC at a time. I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this.
OEM = May be cheaper. But there are reasons for that. No Support. One License tied to One PC. That PC dies, the license dies with it. Can not be transferred (legally) to any other system.
Also, it is mostly tied to the Motherboard anymore. Doing numerous upgrades are ok, may have to call to reactivate (see below).
Retail = Can be installed/Activated on one PC at a time. If that PC dies, you go buy/build a new one. You do not have to purchase the OS again. you already have it. You may have to call MS to get activated again, but it will not be any problem to do so. You get MS Support.
With that said. I have been refused to reactivate an OEM copy before, even though I never told them I moved it to a different machine. They flat out refused, several calls.
I have also had them reactivate OEM copies on new systems without any questions at all. It depends on who you get on the phone, and weather the license gets flagged (blacklisted).
The Answers when activating are.... at all times, weather a new install or not
usually gets you less hassles. This may have changed though since it has been a while since the last time I did numerous daily activations.
Hard Drive Replacement due to failure
Only this one
They may start asking for Serials, Model, Manufacturer of the PC. This can break the deal under certain circumstances. Generally, try to go with the whole (Self Built scenario). Good Luck.
Clean Install is always the best.
You can purchase OEM licensed OS as a system builder.
Generally they are not meant for the general public, but it is a gray area.
While the Upgrade Clean Install trick if you have no previous Windows to authenticate the upgrade install is neither confirmed or denied at this time with 7. It will probably work. But I would wait till it is confirmed before relying on that as an option.
Also, it is mostly tied to the Motherboard anymore. Doing numerous upgrades are ok, may have to call to reactivate (see below).
Retail = Can be installed/Activated on one PC at a time. If that PC dies, you go buy/build a new one. You do not have to purchase the OS again. you already have it. You may have to call MS to get activated again, but it will not be any problem to do so. You get MS Support.
With that said. I have been refused to reactivate an OEM copy before, even though I never told them I moved it to a different machine. They flat out refused, several calls.
I have also had them reactivate OEM copies on new systems without any questions at all. It depends on who you get on the phone, and weather the license gets flagged (blacklisted).
The Answers when activating are.... at all times, weather a new install or not
usually gets you less hassles. This may have changed though since it has been a while since the last time I did numerous daily activations.
Hard Drive Replacement due to failure
Only this one
They may start asking for Serials, Model, Manufacturer of the PC. This can break the deal under certain circumstances. Generally, try to go with the whole (Self Built scenario). Good Luck.
Clean Install is always the best.
You can purchase OEM licensed OS as a system builder.
Generally they are not meant for the general public, but it is a gray area.
While the Upgrade Clean Install trick if you have no previous Windows to authenticate the upgrade install is neither confirmed or denied at this time with 7. It will probably work. But I would wait till it is confirmed before relying on that as an option.
I did not read all the posts but it did not make sense to me to buy a 7 upgrade license without having a previous valid xp/vista disc and key, even if the installation is possible. There is no real advantage to buy a 7 licence exept to be legal and to encourage Microsoft. I mean, if you don't want to buy the licence you really need, use any torrent site and download it free instead.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pominator I did not read all the posts but it did not make sense to me to buy a 7 upgrade license without having a previous valid xp/vista disc and key, even if the installation is possible. There is no real advantage to buy a 7 licence exept to be legal and to encourage Microsoft. I mean, if you don't want to buy the licence you really need, use any torrent site and download it free instead.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Tepid While the Upgrade Clean Install trick if you have no previous Windows to authenticate the upgrade install is neither confirmed or denied at this time with 7. It will probably work. But I would wait till it is confirmed before relying on that as an option.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by bigcitycat Would the HP system recovery disc that I have work in the upgrade process?
Mostly remember the Version OEM, UPGRADE or RETAIL depends on where you buy if you get SUPPORT or NO Support.
OEM means manufacture adds there stuff to the original retail version.
(This version has Trial stuff added if from Manufacture plus drivers for there devices)
Retail allows you to Clean install or upgrade with. (This cost more $)
Upgrade allows you to Upgrade or Clean install with.(This cost less $)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by v8ornot2v8 Thanks for the info - that's great to know. I don't have my initial disk for VIsta. Thanks!
P.S. I save recycled PC product keys for this reason. You never know when one might come in handy....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by pominator I did not read all the posts but it did not make sense to me to buy a 7 upgrade license without having a previous valid xp/vista disc and key, even if the installation is possible. There is no real advantage to buy a 7 licence exept to be legal and to encourage Microsoft. I mean, if you don't want to buy the licence you really need, use any torrent site and download it free instead.
b) An illegal copy may not pass the Windows Authentication test and will not be elligible for optional downloads/upgrades. (MS has wavered on the issue of security updates in order to control viruses and spyware - see point A above, not sure where they stand now).
c) $$$ for legal copy versus time spent jumping through hoops keeping an illegal copy running and updated/upgraded.
Your call. There will always be pirated copies available. How much is your time worth? $120 for a legal Home Premium Upgrade license, IMO is not a bad deal. It is not free, but it is not bad....
P.S. Also many users will do the traditional "wait for SP1 before upgrading" tactic. At which point the Upgrade Licenses may be on sale at lower prices.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Muad Dib a) Downloaded torrents are OFTEN (NOT ALWAYS!) hacked copies that are infected with spyware. Be careful there Typhoid Mary.(Not always but it is possible.)
b) An illegal copy may not pass the Windows Authentication test and will not be elligible for optional downloads/upgrades. (MS has wavered on the issue of security updates in order to control viruses and spyware - see point A above, not sure where they stand now) .(The illegal copies usualy have WPA bypassed and usually upgrade but not always)
c) $$$ for legal copy versus time spent jumping through hoops keeping an illegal copy running and updated/upgraded. (This part is always TRUE.)
Your call. There will always be pirated copies available. How much is your time worth? $120 for a legal Home Premium Upgrade license, IMO is not a bad deal. It is not free, but it is not bad.... ($49.00 is better and if the License was for 3X.) still better.
P.S. Also many users will do the traditional "wait for SP1 before upgrading" tactic. At which point the Upgrade Licenses may be on sale at lower prices.
b) An illegal copy may not pass the Windows Authentication test and will not be elligible for optional downloads/upgrades. (MS has wavered on the issue of security updates in order to control viruses and spyware - see point A above, not sure where they stand now) .(The illegal copies usualy have WPA bypassed and usually upgrade but not always)
c) $$$ for legal copy versus time spent jumping through hoops keeping an illegal copy running and updated/upgraded. (This part is always TRUE.)
Your call. There will always be pirated copies available. How much is your time worth? $120 for a legal Home Premium Upgrade license, IMO is not a bad deal. It is not free, but it is not bad.... ($49.00 is better and if the License was for 3X.) still better.
P.S. Also many users will do the traditional "wait for SP1 before upgrading" tactic. At which point the Upgrade Licenses may be on sale at lower prices.
IBM said no to the first mouse, ATT said not that Video phones, Germany had Flying sausers n WWII, not aliens. Salesmen sell you what they think you want, by convincing you that is what you want.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane2424 Its about supporting them for deveoplping the product...Microsoft may be one of the wealthiest companines in the world but they have every day people like you and me who work to get money for their families. You taking Windows 7 for free is taking part of their paycheck. Would you like for someone to take your paycheck? If you like the product buy it...to support it
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a) Downloaded torrents are OFTEN (NOT ALWAYS!) hacked copies that are infected with spyware. Be careful there Typhoid Mary.
b) An illegal copy may not pass the Windows Authentication test and will not be elligible for optional downloads/upgrades. (MS has wavered on the issue of security updates in order to control viruses and spyware - see point A above, not sure where they stand now).
c) $$$ for legal copy versus time spent jumping through hoops keeping an illegal copy running and updated/upgraded.
Your call. There will always be pirated copies available. How much is your time worth? $120 for a legal Home Premium Upgrade license, IMO is not a bad deal. It is not free, but it is not bad....
P.S. Also many users will do the traditional "wait for SP1 before upgrading" tactic. At which point the Upgrade Licenses may be on sale at lower prices.
b) An illegal copy may not pass the Windows Authentication test and will not be elligible for optional downloads/upgrades. (MS has wavered on the issue of security updates in order to control viruses and spyware - see point A above, not sure where they stand now).
c) $$$ for legal copy versus time spent jumping through hoops keeping an illegal copy running and updated/upgraded.
Your call. There will always be pirated copies available. How much is your time worth? $120 for a legal Home Premium Upgrade license, IMO is not a bad deal. It is not free, but it is not bad....
P.S. Also many users will do the traditional "wait for SP1 before upgrading" tactic. At which point the Upgrade Licenses may be on sale at lower prices.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy (This to me is a myth. Reason: SP1 & SP2 on Vista made things worse, IMHO)(OS's are like cars, they always say: I want that but its new, wait until it tried and tested.)(Chevy-GM is responsible for that)
IBM said no to the first mouse, ATT said not that Video phones, Germany had Flying sausers n WWII, not aliens. Salesmen sell you what they think you want, by convincing you that is what you want.
IBM said no to the first mouse, ATT said not that Video phones, Germany had Flying sausers n WWII, not aliens. Salesmen sell you what they think you want, by convincing you that is what you want.
Personal Opinons. I think Vista SP2 is far worse than SP1. infact i use a lesser version of SP2 than (18005) final.
Great.
MS rep themselves told me this pre-order version was 'full retail' then in next breath told me it was 'upgrade' and did not seem to appreciate the contradiction.
Then I asked if I needed to have a valid qualifying operating system already installed to install it. Was told yes. Vista or XP. Merely a valid key will not do. I am assuming that because I called the UK store that they were giving me answers relevant to the E version but who knows.
They did give me the mantra about the 'clean install'.
I was also told that if I wish to reinstall that I would have to reinstall the old o/s first each time.
Did not even get into the fact that I have an OEM version of XP and if that would count as qualifying to install this pre-order Win7 E.
Also did not get into question of whether I could install on new hardware if I should need to in the future.
Figured these questions would be way too hard if they cannot answer the first. And would I now believe anything they say anyway?
Rep referred me to the website address (which I was already looking at) and said that all the details were there. Clear answers to my questions are not there on that site as far as I can see.
BEWARE Other people have had different answers from MS Store UK. MS cannot unambiguously tell you what they are selling you!
If anyone works it out definitively would be very interested but if MC cannot tell us, who can?
Maybe I'll stick with XP awhile more. Well done MS!
MS rep themselves told me this pre-order version was 'full retail' then in next breath told me it was 'upgrade' and did not seem to appreciate the contradiction.
Then I asked if I needed to have a valid qualifying operating system already installed to install it. Was told yes. Vista or XP. Merely a valid key will not do. I am assuming that because I called the UK store that they were giving me answers relevant to the E version but who knows.
They did give me the mantra about the 'clean install'.
I was also told that if I wish to reinstall that I would have to reinstall the old o/s first each time.
Did not even get into the fact that I have an OEM version of XP and if that would count as qualifying to install this pre-order Win7 E.
Also did not get into question of whether I could install on new hardware if I should need to in the future.
Figured these questions would be way too hard if they cannot answer the first. And would I now believe anything they say anyway?
Rep referred me to the website address (which I was already looking at) and said that all the details were there. Clear answers to my questions are not there on that site as far as I can see.
BEWARE Other people have had different answers from MS Store UK. MS cannot unambiguously tell you what they are selling you!
If anyone works it out definitively would be very interested but if MC cannot tell us, who can?
Maybe I'll stick with XP awhile more. Well done MS!
Just noticed this:
Are MS going back on their full retail version for upgrade pre-order price? All depends on what the last sentence means I suppose which I would like to take at face value but......
"NOTICE: Regarding Windows 7 �E� Versions
We are intent on providing people with the best possible experience using their PCs with Windows. Building on that important principle, we will ship the same version of Windows 7 in Europe as in rest of the world on the worldwide launch date of 22 October, 2009. This version of Windows 7 includes Windows Internet Explorer 8 to help people get the most from their PCs and the Internet. We will not ship E editions of Windows 7, which would not have included Internet Explorer. Customers who pre-order Windows 7 will receive versions of the product that include Internet Explorer. Customers participating in the Windows Upgrade Option available with select new PCs running Windows Vista will also receive versions of Windows 7 that include Internet Explorer. Customers in Europe will also be able to choose between upgrade and full versions of Windows 7."
Do you think this means that a qualifying version of a previous operating system will now be required for pre-order version which will be an upgrade version rather than the full version at 'upgrade' / pre-order price?
Might have to cancel my pre-orders.......
Are MS going back on their full retail version for upgrade pre-order price? All depends on what the last sentence means I suppose which I would like to take at face value but......
"NOTICE: Regarding Windows 7 �E� Versions
We are intent on providing people with the best possible experience using their PCs with Windows. Building on that important principle, we will ship the same version of Windows 7 in Europe as in rest of the world on the worldwide launch date of 22 October, 2009. This version of Windows 7 includes Windows Internet Explorer 8 to help people get the most from their PCs and the Internet. We will not ship E editions of Windows 7, which would not have included Internet Explorer. Customers who pre-order Windows 7 will receive versions of the product that include Internet Explorer. Customers participating in the Windows Upgrade Option available with select new PCs running Windows Vista will also receive versions of Windows 7 that include Internet Explorer. Customers in Europe will also be able to choose between upgrade and full versions of Windows 7."
Do you think this means that a qualifying version of a previous operating system will now be required for pre-order version which will be an upgrade version rather than the full version at 'upgrade' / pre-order price?
Might have to cancel my pre-orders.......
Just found this on the Amazon website so maybe I do not have to cancel my orders.....
Important--changes to EU release of Microsoft Windows 7
Please note that Microsoft have recently made a number of changes to the European release of Microsoft Windows 7. Please be aware that while this is subject to change, the latest information that Amazon has is:
This version of Windows 7 ships as a full edition, suitable for both new Windows users and Windows Vista users looking to upgrade. Although a �clean install� is not essential for existing Windows Vista users, this is recommended by Microsoft UK.
All editions of Windows 7 will now include the Internet Explorer 8 web browser as standard.
Amazon.co.uk will continue to update this page as and when further information becomes available.
Important--changes to EU release of Microsoft Windows 7
Please note that Microsoft have recently made a number of changes to the European release of Microsoft Windows 7. Please be aware that while this is subject to change, the latest information that Amazon has is:
This version of Windows 7 ships as a full edition, suitable for both new Windows users and Windows Vista users looking to upgrade. Although a �clean install� is not essential for existing Windows Vista users, this is recommended by Microsoft UK.
All editions of Windows 7 will now include the Internet Explorer 8 web browser as standard.
Amazon.co.uk will continue to update this page as and when further information becomes available.
Other than you will get the same version as the rest of the world, nothing will change... you will still need a qualifying activated copy of your current MS os to do an inplace update, otherwise you will have to do a clean install..
I hope this helps..
I hope this helps..
And being able to do a clean install means you must have the full version, presumably retail version.
Im not so sure about that friend ... well, MS idea of a clean install may be a bit different than ours, it will install the os and leave behind a windows.old folder that you can simply delete...
When I went to MS site during the Vista days. There was the option on the site,
upgrade = $$$$$$$$
Full Version= more $$$$$$$$
when you check the site. then check I agree.
I was given a link with which I could DL the specific Version...(No there was not limit)
Later I rec'd the (two) Home Premium Keys for the Requested Versions of Vista I had ordered.
I recommend the "Upgrade" version. reason: cheaper, and you can either Upgrade-or-clean install. depends on what you want to do....The only difference is the KEY.
upgrade = $$$$$$$$
Full Version= more $$$$$$$$
when you check the site. then check I agree.
I was given a link with which I could DL the specific Version...(No there was not limit)
Later I rec'd the (two) Home Premium Keys for the Requested Versions of Vista I had ordered.
I recommend the "Upgrade" version. reason: cheaper, and you can either Upgrade-or-clean install. depends on what you want to do....The only difference is the KEY.
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