Hello again,
I was reading under the Commodo FireWall Thread of a site to test your online security. Gibson Research tested my machine and all passed except IIRC the Ping was responding. I have looked in Commodo and have been unable to find out how to stealth or just disable the Ping requests. Thanks for any assistance.
glennc
I was reading under the Commodo FireWall Thread of a site to test your online security. Gibson Research tested my machine and all passed except IIRC the Ping was responding. I have looked in Commodo and have been unable to find out how to stealth or just disable the Ping requests. Thanks for any assistance.
glennc
you'll probably have to do it through your router settings, as it is the router being pinged, not your pc.
(i assume you have a router, and not a usb type modem?)
your settings will no doubt be different, but here's mine, for example:
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PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
(i assume you have a router, and not a usb type modem?)
your settings will no doubt be different, but here's mine, for example:
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PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte 
you'll probably have to do it through your router settings, as it is the router being pinged, not your pc.
(i assume you have a router, and not a usb type modem?)
your settings will no doubt be different, but here's mine, for example:
Attachment 148309
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PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
(i assume you have a router, and not a usb type modem?)
your settings will no doubt be different, but here's mine, for example:
Attachment 148309
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PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
Thank you for your assistance. I now seem to recall ages ago when I set it up, that it might be there. I will certainly give it a check out. Appreciate your help.
glennc
my pleasure, glennc 
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte y
PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
Strict UDP Session Control - UDP stands for "User Datagram Protocol". UDP is used to transmit video and voice across networks and across the Internet. Restricting UDP limits traffic sent to your computer from unknown sources. Some online applications may not work with Strict UDP Session Control enabled.
Regards....Mike Connor
thanks
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello again,
I was reading under the Commodo FireWall Thread of a site to test your online security. Gibson Research tested my machine and all passed except IIRC the Ping was responding. I have looked in Commodo and have been unable to find out how to stealth or just disable the Ping requests. Thanks for any assistance.
glennc
I was reading under the Commodo FireWall Thread of a site to test your online security. Gibson Research tested my machine and all passed except IIRC the Ping was responding. I have looked in Commodo and have been unable to find out how to stealth or just disable the Ping requests. Thanks for any assistance.
glennc
You can disable the PING service in your router, but it doesn't make any difference to security. The PING only reaches your router, the router firewall prevents any traffic with your machine. ( Assuming of course that it is properly configured!). If you have ports open, as for P2P ( Peer to Peer), TorrentServices, then you are vulnerable. This is also a common source of malware infection.
PS. There is no way to "stealth" the PING service. Either it runs or it doesn't. If it is not running, it will not answer any PING requests.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello again,
I was reading under the Commodo FireWall Thread of a site to test your online security. Gibson Research tested my machine and all passed except IIRC the Ping was responding. I have looked in Commodo and have been unable to find out how to stealth or just disable the Ping requests. Thanks for any assistance.
glennc
I was reading under the Commodo FireWall Thread of a site to test your online security. Gibson Research tested my machine and all passed except IIRC the Ping was responding. I have looked in Commodo and have been unable to find out how to stealth or just disable the Ping requests. Thanks for any assistance.
glennc
You can disable the PING service in your router, but it doesn't make any difference to security. The PING only reaches your router, the router firewall prevents any traffic with your machine. ( Assuming of course that it is properly configured!). If you have ports open, as for P2P ( Peer to Peer), TorrentServices, then you are vulnerable. This is also a common source of malware infection.
PS. There is no way to "stealth" the PING service. Either it runs or it doesn't. If it is not running, it will not answer any PING requests.
Regards....Mike Connor
Thanks for confirming and further explaining my issue. Now I have to remember how to get back into my router and do it!
glennc
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Howdy Mike Connor,
Thanks for confirming and further explaining my issue. Now I have to remember how to get back into my router and do it!
glennc
Thanks for confirming and further explaining my issue. Now I have to remember how to get back into my router and do it!
glennc
My pleasure.
I keep notes on stuff like that, so I know what I did, and when and why I did it. Much easier than trying to remember everything, especially stuff you don't use often.
I use this for keeping all those notes, images, diagrams etc. ;
http://www.mytreedb.com/treedbnotes_free.html
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Howdy Mike Connor,
Thanks for confirming and further explaining my issue. Now I have to remember how to get back into my router and do it!
glennc
Thanks for confirming and further explaining my issue. Now I have to remember how to get back into my router and do it!
glennc
My pleasure.
I keep notes on stuff like that, so I know what I did, and when and why I did it. Much easier than trying to remember everything, especially stuff you don't use often.
I use this for keeping all those notes, images, diagrams etc. ;
TreeDBNotes Free
Regards....Mike Connor
That is a great idea, except that I'd probably loose the data in my meanderings or forget how to use the program. Kidding, might look into that, thanks
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc That is a great idea, except that I'd probably loose the data in my meanderings or forget how to use the program. Kidding, might look into that, thanks
Glenn
Glenn
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...don/scrapbook/
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc That is a great idea, except that I'd probably loose the data in my meanderings or forget how to use the program. Kidding, might look into that, thanks
Glenn
Glenn
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...don/scrapbook/
Regards....Mike Connor
Glenn
what router do you have??
maybe someone can help...
maybe someone can help...
What router do you have?
Regards....Mike Connor
Regards....Mike Connor
Doesn't Comodo have a Stealth ports function - there may be an option to block incoming ICMP there.
Long time since I looked at Comodo.
Long time since I looked at Comodo.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 Doesn't Comodo have a Stealth ports function - there may be an option to block incoming ICMP there.
Long time since I looked at Comodo.
Long time since I looked at Comodo.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte what router do you have??
maybe someone can help...
maybe someone can help...
The beastie is a refurbished Linksys WRT 120N, hope that is some help.
Thanks for the thought!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor What router do you have?
Regards....Mike Connor
Regards....Mike Connor
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 Doesn't Comodo have a Stealth ports function - there may be an option to block incoming ICMP there.
Long time since I looked at Comodo.
Long time since I looked at Comodo.
I looked but am in over my head again. I couldn't find it if it was in Commodo and numerous others said it is a router thing. Triple Ratz! Thanks for responding!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor What router do you have?
Regards....Mike Connor
Regards....Mike Connor
Glenn
WRT120N reset to factory defaults - Cisco Home Community
Regards....Mike Connor
does http://192.168.1.1 not work?
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
I failed grc ping , then adjusted only windows firewall - not touching the router at all.
Passed:
Passed:
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 I failed grc ping , then adjusted only windows firewall - not touching the router at all.
Passed:
Attachment 148409
Passed:
Attachment 148409
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor What router do you have?
Regards....Mike Connor
Regards....Mike Connor
Glenn
WRT120N reset to factory defaults - Cisco Home Community
Regards....Mike Connor
Even if this doesn't work, you are the man. Thank you so much. I will attempt it tomorrow and let you know. Fingers crossed Sir, thank you.
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte does http://192.168.1.1 not work?
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 I failed grc ping , then adjusted only windows firewall - not touching the router at all.
Passed:
Attachment 148409
Passed:
Attachment 148409
Thanks again to you both!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte does http://192.168.1.1 not work?
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
Glenn
He just said he was in Bedfordshire, he didn't say he was in Barking!
Regards....Mike Connor
It would be impossible if your earlier assertion was correct.
Ergo....
I recall a while back - several members of the team here did the grc test - failed - adjusted only windows firewall inbound rules - passed.
Ergo....
I recall a while back - several members of the team here did the grc test - failed - adjusted only windows firewall inbound rules - passed.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte does http://192.168.1.1 not work?
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
does your router also have a hardware reset button somewhere - that may clear the password, but will probably also clear all other settings too....
*edit* mike's too quick for me, but it is gone 2am, bedfordshire time....
Have a good night mickey megabyte. Bedfordshire, what a wonderful sounding name for a place to live. Thank you I hope you and he are correct, got a good feeling you are barking up the right tree!
Glenn
He just said he was in Bedfordshire, he didn't say he was in Barking!
Regards....Mike Connor
Take Care
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 It would be impossible if your earlier assertion was correct.
Ergo....
Ergo....
Even if you disconnect your machine from the router, then you can still ping the router if the ping service is enabled.
If you have managed to disable the ping service to your machine, then you are not behind a router firewall, or your router is not correctly configured.
Regards....Mike Connor
It may be that some routers will respond - so adjusting windows firewall won't help there - I don't know - I haven't got one of those routers.
Neither, clearly have the other team members.
Neither, clearly have the other team members.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 It would be impossible if your earlier assertion was correct.
Ergo....
I recall a while back - several members of the team here did the grc test - failed - adjusted only windows firewall inbound rules - passed.
Ergo....
I recall a while back - several members of the team here did the grc test - failed - adjusted only windows firewall inbound rules - passed.
If you want to disable the ping service altogether, you have to disable it on the router.
It makes no difference at all how you configure your machine, or what software you use. It is impossible to affect the router ping service.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 It may be that some routers will respond - so adjusting windows firewall won't help there - I don't know - I haven't got one of those routers.
Neither, clearly have the other team members.
Neither, clearly have the other team members.
If you are able to affect this in any way by changing something on your machine, then you are not behind a firewalled router, or it is not correctly configured.
Regards....Mike Connor
Not correctly configured for what exactly?
Not configured to respond to ping requests by itself, I assume. Why would it be? There is no setting for that.
This router is used by millions of people - as supplied by my isp.
Not configured to respond to ping requests by itself, I assume. Why would it be? There is no setting for that.
This router is used by millions of people - as supplied by my isp.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 Not correctly configured for what exactly?
Not configured to respond to ping requests by itself, I assume. Why would it be? There is no setting for that.
This router is used by millions of people - as supplied by my isp.
Not configured to respond to ping requests by itself, I assume. Why would it be? There is no setting for that.
This router is used by millions of people - as supplied by my isp.
To disable the ping service on a Cisco router for instance you need to change or add the ACL ( Access Control List) entry to this;
access-list 107 deny icmp any any echo log
Anybody trying to ping that device will not get anything at all, not even an administrative denial. The device is just a black hole.
You can also set up for administrative denial, and that will result in the pinging device knowing that you are there, but that the request is denied.
If you connect directly to the internet with various devices, modem type devices, or non-firewalled routers, then anybody on the net has direct access to any of your open machine ports unless you configure your machine firewall to prevent it. ( That is what you described above).
If you can affect the ping service by changing something on your machine then you are not behind a firewalled router.
If you try to ping my machine for instance, all that will happen is that you get a ping response from my router. You can not get through my router to any of my ports, regardless of how they are configured.
The IP Address of my router is
79.246.42.103
That is all you will ever see. There is no way to see the actual IP address of my machine, or to access any of my ports, unless I expressly configure the router to allow it. Or allow the use of a tunneling protocol with express permission. ( As in Team Viewer and such).
For more information;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/...800a5b9a.shtml
Regards....Mike Connor
Already answered - there is nothing to add.
There might be a way of blocking requests getting thru the router - I can't find it tho.
In any case - it does not, never has, and as far as I can see - never will respond to requests itself.
This is not unusual - several team members - from all over the world - with all kinds of fancy machines and equipment did exactly the same.
Raymond ( you may know his forum ) also did it - using McAfee firewall - it is very common.
If you believe there is something wrong with all those machines/setups and millions of others , then that is up to you.
You may have extra functions on yours - doesn't mean everybody has.
It also doesn't mean all those people can't block ping requests using windows ( or other e.g. comodo ) firewall.
There might be a way of blocking requests getting thru the router - I can't find it tho.
In any case - it does not, never has, and as far as I can see - never will respond to requests itself.
This is not unusual - several team members - from all over the world - with all kinds of fancy machines and equipment did exactly the same.
Raymond ( you may know his forum ) also did it - using McAfee firewall - it is very common.
If you believe there is something wrong with all those machines/setups and millions of others , then that is up to you.
You may have extra functions on yours - doesn't mean everybody has.
It also doesn't mean all those people can't block ping requests using windows ( or other e.g. comodo ) firewall.
The firewall on your machine can be set up to block all sorts of things, that is what it is for, but it only actually works if those requests reach your machine.
If you are behind a correctly configured firewalled router then such a request can never reach your machine.
Any router will respond to a ping request, and many other requests, which have been expressly enabled, or not, if they have been disabled.
I don't have any extra functions, I have a standard and fairly old router on my personal internet connection, with a built in firewall. I use several machines on it.
I have never asserted that there is anything wrong with anything at all. I merely pointed out some functions.
Quote "In any case - it does not, never has, and as far as I can see - never will respond to requests itself.".
That statement is simply incorrect. If a router could not respond to requests it would not function.
You seem to be getting rather agitated about this for some reason. I am merely pointing out some functions of firewalled and non firewalled routers.
Regards....Mike Connor
If you are behind a correctly configured firewalled router then such a request can never reach your machine.
Any router will respond to a ping request, and many other requests, which have been expressly enabled, or not, if they have been disabled.
I don't have any extra functions, I have a standard and fairly old router on my personal internet connection, with a built in firewall. I use several machines on it.
I have never asserted that there is anything wrong with anything at all. I merely pointed out some functions.
Quote "In any case - it does not, never has, and as far as I can see - never will respond to requests itself.".
That statement is simply incorrect. If a router could not respond to requests it would not function.
You seem to be getting rather agitated about this for some reason. I am merely pointing out some functions of firewalled and non firewalled routers.
Regards....Mike Connor
Just for info, all these routers have built in firewalls;
router with firewall - Google Search
If you want to forward ports on your machine to your router so that they are visible for various things, then you need to do something like this;
Port Forwarding Guides Listed by Manufacturer and Model - PortForward.com
Regards....Mike Connor
router with firewall - Google Search
If you want to forward ports on your machine to your router so that they are visible for various things, then you need to do something like this;
Port Forwarding Guides Listed by Manufacturer and Model - PortForward.com
Regards....Mike Connor
Yes, I have used portforwarding on this machine.
I guess responding to pings is not enabled on mine, then.
It seems to me be extremely common that a software firewall can be used to block ping requests.
So I assume that it is also extremely common for routers to not respond to ping requests .
I guess responding to pings is not enabled on mine, then.
It seems to me be extremely common that a software firewall can be used to block ping requests.
So I assume that it is also extremely common for routers to not respond to ping requests .
To any that are interested, still. NO Luck. I managed to get it attempt to log in on 192.168.1.1, but could never get it to. Things rapidly fell apart after that. Eventually through my own fault and inexperience wound up completely offline. I could PING from cmd.exe the address and it would respond, but I couldn't get it to accept the default blank password or any others that have been suggested. I wound up with 2 networks and got totally confused. Used my backup restore point and hopefully lost the other network and wireless router, and reinstalled using the Linksys disk again. Now this time it left Network Magic on my system. Network Magic is sure I can't connect to the internet. I think I'm going to Revo Pro that away.
Any other thoughts, ideas, opinions?
Glenn
Any other thoughts, ideas, opinions?
Glenn
The factory resets must normally work. Setting these things up can be something of a trial, most especially if you have never done it before and don't know how these things work. For most people, ( if they even try to do it themselves!), it is a matter of very carefully entering a series of cryptic number sequences in various places.
If you want to try, from the status quo, describe exactly what you have now, and I will try to walk you through it.
Regards....Mike Connor
If you want to try, from the status quo, describe exactly what you have now, and I will try to walk you through it.
Regards....Mike Connor
Why is this so important to disable?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor The factory resets must normally work. Setting these things up can be something of a trial, most especially if you have never done it before and don't know how these things work. For most people, ( if they even try to do it themselves!), it is a matter of very carefully entering a series of cryptic number sequences in various places.
If you want to try, from the status quo, describe exactly what you have now, and I will try to walk you through it.
Regards....Mike Connor
If you want to try, from the status quo, describe exactly what you have now, and I will try to walk you through it.
Regards....Mike Connor
Thanks for responding. I am currently online behind my Linksys WRT120N router that has all the internal settings set up by a proprietary Network Magic program that did allow me to set my SSID, a login password and a WPA2 128 bit encryption password. My computer will Ping from the cmd.exe the location which is my setup 192.168.1.1. But using Firefox 4 behind Commodo firewall, I time out when I try to enter that address in the bar and access it. Now not being an expert with Commodo I have it set very heavy. I am running things like no-script extensions, so I don't know what or where is wrong. I completely deleted Network Magic as it kept running a live process very frequently and it said I had no internet connection when I was online. I don't know where to look to see how many routers are attached to my machine. I am confused, beyond reasonable for my skill level. So I am running and would like to test the wireless, but the two machine in the house that use it are either gone or I loaned out the cables for it. So I don't know if I have wireless connectivity.
So if you have the kindness and the patience, I would really like to log onto my router and make sure all the settings are like they should be. Thanks if you choose to respond.
Glenn
Sure, no problem.
I don't know all the implications of the software you are using, offhand, so I am going to read your post very carefully and see if I can get a handle on it.
I will get back to you as soon as I have anything useful to contribute.
Regards....Mike Connor
I don't know all the implications of the software you are using, offhand, so I am going to read your post very carefully and see if I can get a handle on it.
I will get back to you as soon as I have anything useful to contribute.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor Sure, no problem.
I don't know all the implications of the software you are using, offhand, so I am going to read your post very carefully and see if I can get a handle on it.
I will get back to you as soon as I have anything useful to contribute.
Regards....Mike Connor
I don't know all the implications of the software you are using, offhand, so I am going to read your post very carefully and see if I can get a handle on it.
I will get back to you as soon as I have anything useful to contribute.
Regards....Mike Connor
Glenn
OK. I had a good look at that. I was unable to do much last night because I kept losing the Seven Forum's server.
Seems OK again now.
So. First of all a router is usually ( but not always) a piece of hardware which directs traffic to where it is supposed to go, and prevents any traffic it is set up to prevent. The router is normally connected directly to the internet via cable. The machines using the router are connected to it via cable or by wireless.
A firewall, which can be hardware or software, but in most cases nowadays is software, is also basically a traffic director, whose main purpose is to stop any unauthorised traffic, and allow any which is authorised.
I can't test the "Comodo" stuff, because I don't use it, and don't have it on my machine. Unfortunately, I also have no idea what the ""Network Magic" does. Without knowing exactly what these things do, I can't give you any sensible advice on them.
Normally, if your machine is attached to the router, then you can simply enter the address of the router, and log into it in order to set it up. If you are unable to do this, then most likely the software is preventing you from accessing the router.
I can't think of any way to overcome that while still using that software. Also, it may well be that some other address has been set up in the router, and unless you know that address, you can't access it. Normally, re-setting the router to factory defaults should allow you to access it, based on the default settings. If this does not work, then I can't think of anything else for you to try.
Regards....Mike Connor
Seems OK again now.
So. First of all a router is usually ( but not always) a piece of hardware which directs traffic to where it is supposed to go, and prevents any traffic it is set up to prevent. The router is normally connected directly to the internet via cable. The machines using the router are connected to it via cable or by wireless.
A firewall, which can be hardware or software, but in most cases nowadays is software, is also basically a traffic director, whose main purpose is to stop any unauthorised traffic, and allow any which is authorised.
I can't test the "Comodo" stuff, because I don't use it, and don't have it on my machine. Unfortunately, I also have no idea what the ""Network Magic" does. Without knowing exactly what these things do, I can't give you any sensible advice on them.
Normally, if your machine is attached to the router, then you can simply enter the address of the router, and log into it in order to set it up. If you are unable to do this, then most likely the software is preventing you from accessing the router.
I can't think of any way to overcome that while still using that software. Also, it may well be that some other address has been set up in the router, and unless you know that address, you can't access it. Normally, re-setting the router to factory defaults should allow you to access it, based on the default settings. If this does not work, then I can't think of anything else for you to try.
Regards....Mike Connor
Every Windows machine has IPSec it just depends on your admin status [I believe if at work on domain you may need to be domain admin to affect this, but if you own the comp and have no domain you should be good to go].
I will post the link to the page as they have screenshots and explain it in detail.. Keep in mind that ICMP is used by certain apps to verify you have an internet connection and other stuff so you may want to follow the directions and set the rules accordingly so you enable ping for your routers LAN address [ado ipconfig in command and copy the gateway address this will be your router], and disable it for anything coming in on WAN. Keep in mind you may want to check as I know I can use certain filtering setups in DD-WRT [a modified firmware for Linksys Buffalo, Hawking and other routers] Google it it's out there and popular once installed you will be able to fully customize your router with firewall, and you could do this there [and then if you re-install windows or something you don't have to remember to reset this]. Block Ping Traffic with IPSec
I will post the link to the page as they have screenshots and explain it in detail.. Keep in mind that ICMP is used by certain apps to verify you have an internet connection and other stuff so you may want to follow the directions and set the rules accordingly so you enable ping for your routers LAN address [ado ipconfig in command and copy the gateway address this will be your router], and disable it for anything coming in on WAN. Keep in mind you may want to check as I know I can use certain filtering setups in DD-WRT [a modified firmware for Linksys Buffalo, Hawking and other routers] Google it it's out there and popular once installed you will be able to fully customize your router with firewall, and you could do this there [and then if you re-install windows or something you don't have to remember to reset this]. Block Ping Traffic with IPSec
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte you'll probably have to do it through your router settings, as it is the router being pinged, not your pc.
(i assume you have a router, and not a usb type modem?)
your settings will no doubt be different, but here's mine, for example:
Attachment 148309
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PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
(i assume you have a router, and not a usb type modem?)
your settings will no doubt be different, but here's mine, for example:
Attachment 148309
------------------------------------------------
PS - anyone know what 'strict udp session control' is, and is it a good idea to enable it?
ping response = icmp
disable icmp response in your fw and or router
disable icmp response in your fw and or router
For everyone the BEST network protection I have found for Windows 7 is PeerBlock [Google] used to be called Peer Guardian [IT IS NOT ONLY FOR P2P]!! What this is is a program that analyzes all IP connections [UDP as well] and based on IP Rules [deny this address allow this one MANY available online and through the setup wizard to block spiders, bots, companies, ISPs, known hackers even pop-up ad addresses EDU ranges GOV ranges, ETC. The reason I love this is it is not a per program basis I dont have to tell it to allow apps or ports what it is is you find lists [or create your own of IPs you either would want to block all access from your machine [and to or either or per how you set it]. So you could inessence block all IPs available and then allow only specific ones or block sets of IPs known to cause problems [bot nets, hackers, ISP scanners, etc. etc. and this program will scan all IP address as they create sessions in either directions and handle the IP based on those lists. This means it is faster than anyother type of program based firewall, you dont have to spend nearly as much time setting it all up, and it runs MUCH faster than any app based firewall ever will]. Oh, and when an IP is blocked your machine appears offline to the IP address [computer] in question so this is essentially a "stealth" method as you appaer to be totally offline to them [it is not like ping where they still get your IP usually and just no answer to the ping itself [round trip time] it just states Host is unreachable.
PeerBlock
PeerBlock
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brady ping response = icmp
disable icmp response in your fw and or router
disable icmp response in your fw and or router
Howdy Mike Conner,
I was very rattled last night and it probably wouldn't have sunk in to deep. I have a previous DLink and this Linksys, and both behaved as you described.
The commodo, I think I will shut it down and try again. Hopefully the Network Magic Software that came on the Cisco Installation Disk did not screw up the passwords. I am leaning in the software problem. So I will go at it, soon. At least I can get it runnable again should I fail. Thanks for the assistance and moral support!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor
I was very rattled last night and it probably wouldn't have sunk in to deep. I have a previous DLink and this Linksys, and both behaved as you described.
The commodo, I think I will shut it down and try again. Hopefully the Network Magic Software that came on the Cisco Installation Disk did not screw up the passwords. I am leaning in the software problem. So I will go at it, soon. At least I can get it runnable again should I fail. Thanks for the assistance and moral support!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor OK. I had a good look at that. I was unable to do much last night because I kept losing the Seven Forum's server.
Seems OK again now.
So. First of all a router is usually ( but not always) a piece of hardware which directs traffic to where it is supposed to go, and prevents any traffic it is set up to prevent. The router is normally connected directly to the internet via cable. The machines using the router are connected to it via cable or by wireless.
A firewall, which can be hardware or software, but in most cases nowadays is software, is also basically a traffic director, whose main purpose is to stop any unauthorised traffic, and allow any which is authorised.
I can't test the "Comodo" stuff, because I don't use it, and don't have it on my machine. Unfortunately, I also have no idea what the ""Network Magic" does. Without knowing exactly what these things do, I can't give you any sensible advice on them.
Normally, if your machine is attached to the router, then you can simply enter the address of the router, and log into it in order to set it up. If you are unable to do this, then most likely the software is preventing you from accessing the router.
I can't think of any way to overcome that while still using that software. Also, it may well be that some other address has been set up in the router, and unless you know that address, you can't access it. Normally, re-setting the router to factory defaults should allow you to access it, based on the default settings. If this does not work, then I can't think of anything else for you to try.
Regards....Mike Connor
Seems OK again now.
So. First of all a router is usually ( but not always) a piece of hardware which directs traffic to where it is supposed to go, and prevents any traffic it is set up to prevent. The router is normally connected directly to the internet via cable. The machines using the router are connected to it via cable or by wireless.
A firewall, which can be hardware or software, but in most cases nowadays is software, is also basically a traffic director, whose main purpose is to stop any unauthorised traffic, and allow any which is authorised.
I can't test the "Comodo" stuff, because I don't use it, and don't have it on my machine. Unfortunately, I also have no idea what the ""Network Magic" does. Without knowing exactly what these things do, I can't give you any sensible advice on them.
Normally, if your machine is attached to the router, then you can simply enter the address of the router, and log into it in order to set it up. If you are unable to do this, then most likely the software is preventing you from accessing the router.
I can't think of any way to overcome that while still using that software. Also, it may well be that some other address has been set up in the router, and unless you know that address, you can't access it. Normally, re-setting the router to factory defaults should allow you to access it, based on the default settings. If this does not work, then I can't think of anything else for you to try.
Regards....Mike Connor
My Pleasure. Sorry I was not able to give you more precise advice.
Regards....Mike Connor
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor My Pleasure. Sorry I was not able to give you more precise advice.
Regards....Mike Connor
Regards....Mike Connor
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router. Knew it showed somewhere but wasn't sure. Okay to the point, last night I showed two routers. One a router looking icon that said Linksys Wrt120N and a second one that had a different icon with an antenna. This occurred after reinstalling the router, my firewall showed several networks. I at that time could get to 192.168.1.1. I removed all the networks except my original named network.
I just looked at Network and the first icon is the only one visible. On clicking the icon it pops up the browser to 192.168.0.1. In its details it states that the address is 192.168.0.1. This is wrong as I recall that was the address of my old DLink router. I believe the second icon which is gone now had the address of 192.168.1.1. I told you I am severely messed up.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah Every Windows machine has IPSec it just depends on your admin status [I believe if at work on domain you may need to be domain admin to affect this, but if you own the comp and have no domain you should be good to go].
I will post the link to the page as they have screenshots and explain it in detail.. Keep in mind that ICMP is used by certain apps to verify you have an internet connection and other stuff so you may want to follow the directions and set the rules accordingly so you enable ping for your routers LAN address [ado ipconfig in command and copy the gateway address this will be your router], and disable it for anything coming in on WAN. Keep in mind you may want to check as I know I can use certain filtering setups in DD-WRT [a modified firmware for Linksys Buffalo, Hawking and other routers] Google it it's out there and popular once installed you will be able to fully customize your router with firewall, and you could do this there [and then if you re-install windows or something you don't have to remember to reset this]. Block Ping Traffic with IPSec
I will post the link to the page as they have screenshots and explain it in detail.. Keep in mind that ICMP is used by certain apps to verify you have an internet connection and other stuff so you may want to follow the directions and set the rules accordingly so you enable ping for your routers LAN address [ado ipconfig in command and copy the gateway address this will be your router], and disable it for anything coming in on WAN. Keep in mind you may want to check as I know I can use certain filtering setups in DD-WRT [a modified firmware for Linksys Buffalo, Hawking and other routers] Google it it's out there and popular once installed you will be able to fully customize your router with firewall, and you could do this there [and then if you re-install windows or something you don't have to remember to reset this]. Block Ping Traffic with IPSec
Thanks for responding with this neat information. Unfortunately due to my inexperience as you can see in a previous response to Mike Connor that I am unable to connect to my router setup page. I believe somehow it is now setup to the wrong router setup page address. It by all accounts and previous experience is supposed to use 192.168.1.1. The only router showing in "Network" is correctly named and described but shows 192.168.0.1 as the correct setup page. My browser times out trying to reach the 1.1 although last night it did connect successfully. I am totally out of my league here. Any help to reconnect to my wireless router setup page is my priority as of now.
Thanks again.
Glenn
when you enter: Ipconfig /all (use the address of your default gateway for the config login page)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello Mike Connors,
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
There is no other way.
If you are using that router, then the correct address is stored on your machine. You can get that address using this;
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d....mspx?mfr=true
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by brady when you enter: Ipconfig /all (use the address of your default gateway for the config login page)
Ipconfig shows the IIRC wrong address 192.168.0.1. This rabbit hole is really deep. That most definately is the address of my old DLink router.
Thank you!!
glennc
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello Mike Connors,
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
There is no other way.
If you are using that router, then the correct address is stored on your machine. You can get that address using this;
Microsoft Corporation
Regards....Mike Connor
If everyone who is monitoring this post could cross their respective fingers, I may be back with good new.
Thank all for your contributions and advice!
Glenn
You need to open a command prompt, ( "Dos-Box"), as administrator, and type in "ipconfig",
this will give you a window like this;
the address you want is the "Default Gateway" address.
This will of course only be the correct address if you are using that router.
If you are using some other router, you will get a different address.
Regards....Mike Connor
this will give you a window like this;
the address you want is the "Default Gateway" address.
This will of course only be the correct address if you are using that router.
If you are using some other router, you will get a different address.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc May I call you Mike? Mike, ipconfig /all shows the 192.168.0.1. If you are saying that this address is retrieved from the actual router at the time of the command then I don't know what. I am going to have to try a reset again.
If everyone who is monitoring this post could cross their respective fingers, I may be back with good new.
Thank all for your contributions and advice!
Glenn
If you are actually using that router, then that is the router address.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc May I call you Mike? Mike, ipconfig /all shows the 192.168.0.1. If you are saying that this address is retrieved from the actual router at the time of the command then I don't know what. I am going to have to try a reset again.
If everyone who is monitoring this post could cross their respective fingers, I may be back with good new.
Thank all for your contributions and advice!
Glenn
If you are actually using that router, then that is the router address.
Regards....Mike Connor
Thanks. Going to get some ibuprofen and coffee and do the reset thing. I think I can, I think I can!! Take care.
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Mike,
Thanks. Going to get some ibuprofen and coffee and do the reset thing. I think I can, I think I can!! Take care.
Glenn
My pleasure. Good luck! Let us know how you get on.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Mike,
Thanks. Going to get some ibuprofen and coffee and do the reset thing. I think I can, I think I can!! Take care.
Glenn
My pleasure. Good luck! Let us know how you get on.
Regards....Mike Connor
Well by a circuitous route, I am back where I was. Did the reset, attached computer to router and ipconfig & got 192.168.1.1. Pinged it and fine. Looked at Network display and it showed the WRT120N router and a new Wireless Router (WFA). The new router needed to be configured, the original WRT had the correct "1.1" address in it. Couldn't log onto it with the browser. Stopped Commodo and tried again. Noticed in Commodo I now had 2 networks, the original and the new Local Network #1. Shut all down connected cables and booted. No internet connectivity. Tried getting on "1.1" and it displayed the logon but would not accept any combination of default or new passwords.
So I ran Cisco Network Magic and it eventually connected allowing me to enter a password, SSID and WPA2 password. Tried some of the features of this program and it said I was not connected to the internet, although I was. IIRC I went to the Network display and the 2nd router that had installed itself had disappeared. I checked the regular WRT120N router and it now had 192.168.0.1 as its default setup page. Tried logging onto that, absolutely no success. ipconfig /all showed the "0.1" address as my default gateway. If it helps I am using ATT DSL which has it's own configuration address and setup program. Still have no computers to try to contact wirelessly.
In Network under the pop up for WRT120N router it said to enable it, which I tried, even though I was online and it failed to connect. I am ready to take a hammer or hacksaw or boiling oil to the router and buy another. Is it possible since this was a refurbished unit, long out of the limited warranty, that it has taken some kind of dump? I personally feel that I am doing something wrong or W7 is. I wouldn't even administrating through the W7 router controls.
I've deleted Cisco Network Manager and killed all its processes, BTW. What do you think, boiling oil or hammer? Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello Mike Connors,
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
I think I am really messed up. Okay quick update, found that in Network it shows your router.
Can you point me in a general way toward how success. I now can ping the wrong address "0.1" and the browser will pop up a logon screen at the wrong address (note it says its a WRT120N") but the default and the password that the Network Magic installation program set as a text file on my desktop, do not work.
Manically Yours
Glenn
There is no other way.
If you are using that router, then the correct address is stored on your machine. You can get that address using this;
Microsoft Corporation
Regards....Mike Connor
If everyone who is monitoring this post could cross their respective fingers, I may be back with good new.
Thank all for your contributions and advice!
Glenn
Just an FYI when you use IPCONFIG this grabs information stored on your computer. it is when you start using ipconfig /release * [release all addresses for all adapters that use DHCP] and ipconfig /renew * [go talk to DHCP server and get an IP address for all adapters that are set to use DHCP] that your computer will "talk" [more apropriately the DHCP server that is part of your routers software but I digress] to the router and attempt to get a new address [or drop the one it has per the command you choose].
Of course if you have gone in to the adapter settings and specified an IP address manually you will do nothing if you use ipconfig /renew * and IPCONFIG will list all the same info in either case you just have to manually change it yourself with static IP.
It sounds like here you have a static IP go to control panel and open your network adapters [either through networking and sharing in Win 7] or network in WinXP. You will need to edit the adapter [right click and choose properties from adapters window] single click the TCP/IP listing in small window and click properties BUTTON here in Win 7 make sure you are editting the IPv4 settings and update your gateway info with the right stuff. OR check both boxes for DHCP enable exit the adapter windows to save settings and back at the command prompt [black and white window type [Both 7 and XP] ipconfig /renew * and wait [may look stuck but it is waiting for answer from your router and this may take a min be patient]. Now once you see the text it should have different values for the gateway [unless it uses the same address as your old router did which is entirely possible] and your IPV4 address should change [and if it starts with 169. that is Windows "Alternate config" for when the computer does not find a DHCP server which either means A your router is OFF, B the DHCP server in the router could be turned off, or most likely your router is not fully working [or the network cable is the first place I always check FIRST as a $15 cable beats a $100 router any day [unless you rent from ISP then call them ask for a new one and you should get a new network cable with it if you want to go the totally free route.
Also YOUR IP WILL ALWAYS SHOW UNDER IPCONFIG please don't think that if you kill ping or do anything else that the information here will not be available it is ALWAYS there.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Mike,
Thanks. Going to get some ibuprofen and coffee and do the reset thing. I think I can, I think I can!! Take care.
Glenn
My pleasure. Good luck! Let us know how you get on.
Regards....Mike Connor
Well by a circuitous route, I am back where I was. Did the reset, attached computer to router and ipconfig & got 192.168.1.1. Pinged it and fine. Looked at Network display and it showed the WRT120N router and a new Wireless Router (WFA). The new router needed to be configured, the original WRT had the correct "1.1" address in it. Couldn't log onto it with the browser. Stopped Commodo and tried again. Noticed in Commodo I now had 2 networks, the original and the new Local Network #1. Shut all down connected cables and booted. No internet connectivity. Tried getting on "1.1" and it displayed the logon but would not accept any combination of default or new passwords.
So I ran Cisco Network Magic and it eventually connected allowing me to enter a password, SSID and WPA2 password. Tried some of the features of this program and it said I was not connected to the internet, although I was. IIRC I went to the Network display and the 2nd router that had installed itself had disappeared. I checked the regular WRT120N router and it now had 192.168.0.1 as its default setup page. Tried logging onto that, absolutely no success. ipconfig /all showed the "0.1" address as my default gateway. If it helps I am using ATT DSL which has it's own configuration address and setup program. Still have no computers to try to contact wirelessly.
In Network under the pop up for WRT120N router it said to enable it, which I tried, even though I was online and it failed to connect. I am ready to take a hammer or hacksaw or boiling oil to the router and buy another. Is it possible since this was a refurbished unit, long out of the limited warranty, that it has taken some kind of dump? I personally feel that I am doing something wrong or W7 is. I wouldn't even administrating through the W7 router controls.
I've deleted Cisco Network Manager and killed all its processes, BTW. What do you think, boiling oil or hammer? Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.
Glenn
Hello AmbroisalPariah,
I must say I didn't understand most of what you just typed. I sure it was specific and well thought out, I am just now cognizant of most of the terms or procedures you've indicated. Sorry. I think a hammer might be easier!
Thanks or your time and help!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor
My pleasure. Good luck! Let us know how you get on.
Regards....Mike Connor Howdy Mike,
Well by a circuitous route, I am back where I was. Did the reset, attached computer to router and ipconfig & got 192.168.1.1. Pinged it and fine. Looked at Network display and it showed the WRT120N router and a new Wireless Router (WFA). The new router needed to be configured, the original WRT had the correct "1.1" address in it. Couldn't log onto it with the browser. Stopped Commodo and tried again. Noticed in Commodo I now had 2 networks, the original and the new Local Network #1. Shut all down connected cables and booted. No internet connectivity. Tried getting on "1.1" and it displayed the logon but would not accept any combination of default or new passwords.
So I ran Cisco Network Magic and it eventually connected allowing me to enter a password, SSID and WPA2 password. Tried some of the features of this program and it said I was not connected to the internet, although I was. IIRC I went to the Network display and the 2nd router that had installed itself had disappeared. I checked the regular WRT120N router and it now had 192.168.0.1 as its default setup page. Tried logging onto that, absolutely no success. ipconfig /all showed the "0.1" address as my default gateway. If it helps I am using ATT DSL which has it's own configuration address and setup program. Still have no computers to try to contact wirelessly.
In Network under the pop up for WRT120N router it said to enable it, which I tried, even though I was online and it failed to connect. I am ready to take a hammer or hacksaw or boiling oil to the router and buy another. Is it possible since this was a refurbished unit, long out of the limited warranty, that it has taken some kind of dump? I personally feel that I am doing something wrong or W7 is. I wouldn't even administrating through the W7 router controls.
I've deleted Cisco Network Manager and killed all its processes, BTW. What do you think, boiling oil or hammer? Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.
Glenn Keep in mind that you could still have network access with a different IP but if it is not the class C [ie. 192.1681.xxx is class c so if you change it to 192.168.0.xx on your computer but gateway was still 192.168.1.xxx you will still have basic surfing, but will be unable to seee any comps or the router setup page sue to you being utside its Class C LAN scope. I would just be sure to change your TCP/IP V4 Setting under adapter properties to DHCP for both the upper address portion and lower DNS portion. This will reach out and get the config info from the router [once connected you will need to click on adapter by clock and click your network SSID [wireless name] and enter the password. Even if it was the same before due to the addrtessing change your computer [and Comodo will see it as something new [hence Local Netowrk #1 and will be super restricted [most apps and windows default to public network settings incase you connected away from home and this disables DNS, Homegroup and a host of other things. Also, if you ae only connecting at home a firewall is completely superfluous. Firewalls are only there to stop apps and computers from communicating on different ports. If you are behind a firewall unless you port forward any apps [ESPECIALLY remote control ones cant really use NAT [and must have ports forwarded to accept incoming connects [UNLESS you click something on your end like with remote desktop the session is suggested by the host by when NAT runs in they actually send your comp a message and then it in turn reaches out and starts the session so NAT can work and it can connect. unless you port forward a port being used by a bot or other virus it cant do much anyways and if you install and use Peerguardian instead it filters everything based on IPs which means you dont have to allow or deny programs as they start it is faster [still uses resources but not nearly as many as a firewall] and any and all comms with botnets and hackers [more aptly crackers] can be done by setting it to use the Bogon and DShield lists which would mean even if a bot or virus gets on your machine and tries to connect somewhere it cant as the IP address of the connection is denied [trust me has protected me through my many activities from prying eyes I owe it my freedoms prolly]. In any case just a suggestion of something you could check out and yes you can run it with a firewall when you want so if you want to check it out without changing anything you can.
I must say I didn't understand most of what you just typed. I sure it was specific and well thought out, I am just now cognizant of most of the terms or procedures you've indicated. Sorry. I think a hammer might be easier!
Thanks or your time and help!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc �� Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor My pleasure. Good luck! Let us know how you get on.
Regards....Mike Connor
Well by a circuitous route, I am back where I was. Did the reset, attached computer to router and ipconfig & got 192.168.1.1. Pinged it and fine. Looked at Network display and it showed the WRT120N router and a new Wireless Router (WFA). The new router needed to be configured, the original WRT had the correct "1.1" address in it. Couldn't log onto it with the browser. Stopped Commodo and tried again. Noticed in Commodo I now had 2 networks, the original and the new Local Network #1. Shut all down connected cables and booted. No internet connectivity. Tried getting on "1.1" and it displayed the logon but would not accept any combination of default or new passwords.
So I ran Cisco Network Magic and it eventually connected allowing me to enter a password, SSID and WPA2 password. Tried some of the features of this program and it said I was not connected to the internet, although I was. IIRC I went to the Network display and the 2nd router that had installed itself had disappeared. I checked the regular WRT120N router and it now had 192.168.0.1 as its default setup page. Tried logging onto that, absolutely no success. ipconfig /all showed the "0.1" address as my default gateway. If it helps I am using ATT DSL which has it's own configuration address and setup program. Still have no computers to try to contact wirelessly.
In Network under the pop up for WRT120N router it said to enable it, which I tried, even though I was online and it failed to connect. I am ready to take a hammer or hacksaw or boiling oil to the router and buy another. Is it possible since this was a refurbished unit, long out of the limited warranty, that it has taken some kind of dump? I personally feel that I am doing something wrong or W7 is. I wouldn't even administrating through the W7 router controls.
I've deleted Cisco Network Manager and killed all its processes, BTW. What do you think, boiling oil or hammer? Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.
Glenn
The addresses on your machine are always there. They are not changed when you issue an ipconfig. But if the router works, then it must be using that address. Using the wrong address simply wont work.
Well, I can't think of anything else to try. Something odd is going on obviously, but I have no idea what. Sorry, but I have no idea how to solve the problem(s). I just don't know what is causing them.
Regards....Mike Connor
Well, I can't think of anything else to try. Something odd is going on obviously, but I have no idea what. Sorry, but I have no idea how to solve the problem(s). I just don't know what is causing them.
Regards....Mike Connor
�� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello AmbroisalPariah,
I must say I didn't understand most of what you just typed. I sure it was specific and well thought out, I am just now cognizant of most of the terms or procedures you've indicated. Sorry. I think a hammer might be easier!
Thanks or your time and help!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc
Howdy Mike,
Well by a circuitous route, I am back where I was. Did the reset, attached computer to router and ipconfig & got 192.168.1.1. Pinged it and fine. Looked at Network display and it showed the WRT120N router and a new Wireless Router (WFA). The new router needed to be configured, the original WRT had the correct "1.1" address in it. Couldn't log onto it with the browser. Stopped Commodo and tried again. Noticed in Commodo I now had 2 networks, the original and the new Local Network #1. Shut all down connected cables and booted. No internet connectivity. Tried getting on "1.1" and it displayed the logon but would not accept any combination of default or new passwords.
So I ran Cisco Network Magic and it eventually connected allowing me to enter a password, SSID and WPA2 password. Tried some of the features of this program and it said I was not connected to the internet, although I was. IIRC I went to the Network display and the 2nd router that had installed itself had disappeared. I checked the regular WRT120N router and it now had 192.168.0.1 as its default setup page. Tried logging onto that, absolutely no success. ipconfig /all showed the "0.1" address as my default gateway. If it helps I am using ATT DSL which has it's own configuration address and setup program. Still have no computers to try to contact wirelessly.
In Network under the pop up for WRT120N router it said to enable it, which I tried, even though I was online and it failed to connect. I am ready to take a hammer or hacksaw or boiling oil to the router and buy another. Is it possible since this was a refurbished unit, long out of the limited warranty, that it has taken some kind of dump? I personally feel that I am doing something wrong or W7 is. I wouldn't even administrating through the W7 router controls.
I've deleted Cisco Network Manager and killed all its processes, BTW. What do you think, boiling oil or hammer? Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.
Glenn Keep in mind that you could still have network access with a different IP but if it is not the class C [ie. 192.1681.xxx is class c so if you change it to 192.168.0.xx on your computer but gateway was still 192.168.1.xxx you will still have basic surfing, but will be unable to seee any comps or the router setup page sue to you being utside its Class C LAN scope. I would just be sure to change your TCP/IP V4 Setting under adapter properties to DHCP for both the upper address portion and lower DNS portion. This will reach out and get the config info from the router [once connected you will need to click on adapter by clock and click your network SSID [wireless name] and enter the password. Even if it was the same before due to the addrtessing change your computer [and Comodo will see it as something new [hence Local Netowrk #1 and will be super restricted [most apps and windows default to public network settings incase you connected away from home and this disables DNS, Homegroup and a host of other things. Also, if you ae only connecting at home a firewall is completely superfluous. Firewalls are only there to stop apps and computers from communicating on different ports. If you are behind a firewall unless you port forward any apps [ESPECIALLY remote control ones cant really use NAT [and must have ports forwarded to accept incoming connects [UNLESS you click something on your end like with remote desktop the session is suggested by the host by when NAT runs in they actually send your comp a message and then it in turn reaches out and starts the session so NAT can work and it can connect. unless you port forward a port being used by a bot or other virus it cant do much anyways and if you install and use Peerguardian instead it filters everything based on IPs which means you dont have to allow or deny programs as they start it is faster [still uses resources but not nearly as many as a firewall] and any and all comms with botnets and hackers [more aptly crackers] can be done by setting it to use the Bogon and DShield lists which would mean even if a bot or virus gets on your machine and tries to connect somewhere it cant as the IP address of the connection is denied [trust me has protected me through my many activities from prying eyes I owe it my freedoms prolly]. In any case just a suggestion of something you could check out and yes you can run it with a firewall when you want so if you want to check it out without changing anything you can.
I must say I didn't understand most of what you just typed. I sure it was specific and well thought out, I am just now cognizant of most of the terms or procedures you've indicated. Sorry. I think a hammer might be easier!
Thanks or your time and help!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Howdy Mike,
Well by a circuitous route, I am back where I was. Did the reset, attached computer to router and ipconfig & got 192.168.1.1. Pinged it and fine. Looked at Network display and it showed the WRT120N router and a new Wireless Router (WFA). The new router needed to be configured, the original WRT had the correct "1.1" address in it. Couldn't log onto it with the browser. Stopped Commodo and tried again. Noticed in Commodo I now had 2 networks, the original and the new Local Network #1. Shut all down connected cables and booted. No internet connectivity. Tried getting on "1.1" and it displayed the logon but would not accept any combination of default or new passwords.
So I ran Cisco Network Magic and it eventually connected allowing me to enter a password, SSID and WPA2 password. Tried some of the features of this program and it said I was not connected to the internet, although I was. IIRC I went to the Network display and the 2nd router that had installed itself had disappeared. I checked the regular WRT120N router and it now had 192.168.0.1 as its default setup page. Tried logging onto that, absolutely no success. ipconfig /all showed the "0.1" address as my default gateway. If it helps I am using ATT DSL which has it's own configuration address and setup program. Still have no computers to try to contact wirelessly.
In Network under the pop up for WRT120N router it said to enable it, which I tried, even though I was online and it failed to connect. I am ready to take a hammer or hacksaw or boiling oil to the router and buy another. Is it possible since this was a refurbished unit, long out of the limited warranty, that it has taken some kind of dump? I personally feel that I am doing something wrong or W7 is. I wouldn't even administrating through the W7 router controls.
I've deleted Cisco Network Manager and killed all its processes, BTW. What do you think, boiling oil or hammer? Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah �� Quote: Originally Posted by glennc Hello AmbroisalPariah,
I must say I didn't understand most of what you just typed. I sure it was specific and well thought out, I am just now cognizant of most of the terms or procedures you've indicated. Sorry. I think a hammer might be easier!
Thanks or your time and help!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah
Keep in mind that you could still have network access with a different IP but if it is not the class C [ie. 192.1681.xxx is class c so if you change it to 192.168.0.xx on your computer but gateway was still 192.168.1.xxx you will still have basic surfing, but will be unable to seee any comps or the router setup page sue to you being utside its Class C LAN scope. I would just be sure to change your TCP/IP V4 Setting under adapter properties to DHCP for both the upper address portion and lower DNS portion. This will reach out and get the config info from the router [once connected you will need to click on adapter by clock and click your network SSID [wireless name] and enter the password. Even if it was the same before due to the addrtessing change your computer [and Comodo will see it as something new [hence Local Netowrk #1 and will be super restricted [most apps and windows default to public network settings incase you connected away from home and this disables DNS, Homegroup and a host of other things. Also, if you ae only connecting at home a firewall is completely superfluous. Firewalls are only there to stop apps and computers from communicating on different ports. If you are behind a firewall unless you port forward any apps [ESPECIALLY remote control ones cant really use NAT [and must have ports forwarded to accept incoming connects [UNLESS you click something on your end like with remote desktop the session is suggested by the host by when NAT runs in they actually send your comp a message and then it in turn reaches out and starts the session so NAT can work and it can connect. unless you port forward a port being used by a bot or other virus it cant do much anyways and if you install and use Peerguardian instead it filters everything based on IPs which means you dont have to allow or deny programs as they start it is faster [still uses resources but not nearly as many as a firewall] and any and all comms with botnets and hackers [more aptly crackers] can be done by setting it to use the Bogon and DShield lists which would mean even if a bot or virus gets on your machine and tries to connect somewhere it cant as the IP address of the connection is denied [trust me has protected me through my many activities from prying eyes I owe it my freedoms prolly]. In any case just a suggestion of something you could check out and yes you can run it with a firewall when you want so if you want to check it out without changing anything you can.
I must say I didn't understand most of what you just typed. I sure it was specific and well thought out, I am just now cognizant of most of the terms or procedures you've indicated. Sorry. I think a hammer might be easier!
Thanks or your time and help!
Glenn
�� Quote: Originally Posted by AmbrosialPariah Keep in mind that you could still have network access with a different IP but if it is not the class C [ie. 192.1681.xxx is class c so if you change it to 192.168.0.xx on your computer but gateway was still 192.168.1.xxx you will still have basic surfing, but will be unable to seee any comps or the router setup page sue to you being utside its Class C LAN scope. I would just be sure to change your TCP/IP V4 Setting under adapter properties to DHCP for both the upper address portion and lower DNS portion. This will reach out and get the config info from the router [once connected you will need to click on adapter by clock and click your network SSID [wireless name] and enter the password. Even if it was the same before due to the addrtessing change your computer [and Comodo will see it as something new [hence Local Netowrk #1 and will be super restricted [most apps and windows default to public network settings incase you connected away from home and this disables DNS, Homegroup and a host of other things. Also, if you ae only connecting at home a firewall is completely superfluous. Firewalls are only there to stop apps and computers from communicating on different ports. If you are behind a firewall unless you port forward any apps [ESPECIALLY remote control ones cant really use NAT [and must have ports forwarded to accept incoming connects [UNLESS you click something on your end like with remote desktop the session is suggested by the host by when NAT runs in they actually send your comp a message and then it in turn reaches out and starts the session so NAT can work and it can connect. unless you port forward a port being used by a bot or other virus it cant do much anyways and if you install and use Peerguardian instead it filters everything based on IPs which means you dont have to allow or deny programs as they start it is faster [still uses resources but not nearly as many as a firewall] and any and all comms with botnets and hackers [more aptly crackers] can be done by setting it to use the Bogon and DShield lists which would mean even if a bot or virus gets on your machine and tries to connect somewhere it cant as the IP address of the connection is denied [trust me has protected me through my many activities from prying eyes I owe it my freedoms prolly]. In any case just a suggestion of something you could check out and yes you can run it with a firewall when you want so if you want to check it out without changing anything you can.
Glenn
New router, no problems! A lot more settings I don't understand but maybe I'll get specific in a seperate thread!!
Thanks Gentlemen
Glenn
Thanks Gentlemen
Glenn
"suppose you have multiple machines and you want to know if there is machine on the network with given IP. That's when you use ping." hmm poor policy, as system 1.2.3.4 may be powered off and thus not respond to ping and thus allow a dupicate manual assignment. A better process is to make all client systems use DHCP and thus duplicates will be avoided.
Server systems (aka DC, DNS, AD, Exchange) should be fixed/static addresses AND not be within the DHCP range.
Server systems (aka DC, DNS, AD, Exchange) should be fixed/static addresses AND not be within the DHCP range.
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