I was hoping that Microsoft would have reasonable prices on Windows 7.
These Prices to me are most unreasonable.
Pricing
Windows 7 Starter $199,95
Windows 7 Home Premium $259,95
Windows 7 Professional $299,95
Windows 7 Ultimate $319,95
Windows 7 Enterprise Unknown
Source:win7.in
These Prices to me are most unreasonable.
Pricing
Windows 7 Starter $199,95
Windows 7 Home Premium $259,95
Windows 7 Professional $299,95
Windows 7 Ultimate $319,95
Windows 7 Enterprise Unknown
Source:win7.in
If those are official, that's a big disappointment.
Yes 
Windows Se7en Pro. Considering that is the approximate amount I paid for XP Pro Se7en years ago. 
Windows Se7en Pro. Considering that is the approximate amount I paid for XP Pro Se7en years ago. wow, that'll help them in this economy 
without official sources, I will wait until we get closer to release date.... I heard that the prices may be higher but I think that is only because people are used to the XP and Vista pricing.
Ups, will think about that 
It says Possible Windows 7 Pricing for Various Editions
Nothing is official, yet ... and this write up was on February 6, 2009. Let's get a grip
Nothing is official, yet ... and this write up was on February 6, 2009. Let's get a grip
No, but fortunately my buddy works for MS, so I will get it for probably less than $60. When Vista/Office 2007 came out I got Vista Ultimate for $50 and Office Ultimate for $60.
Even at that the price for the Ultimate retail is $$80 less then seen for Vista 2yrs. ago! I think MS is taking into account the economy as well as the time 7 is intended to be on the shelves. Vista was right after the holidays when everyone was spent out yet people rushed for the Ultimate edition then!
I'll take 2 x Ultimate
I've been putting some money into a special savings account for months now... I damn well intend to pre-order ASAP.
what does it cost for additional serials?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by scaramonga 
I'll take 2 x Ultimate
I have to buy more then one just for gifts!holo88 that would be additional licenses or a group license. Prices will be seen at that time for 7.
Guys, this is how wars get started...
It's a bogus rumor. Everybody just calllm down.
It's a bogus rumor. Everybody just calllm down.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy I was hoping that Microsoft would have reasonable prices on Windows 7.
These Prices to me are most unreasonable.
Pricing
Windows 7 Starter $199,95
Windows 7 Home Premium $259,95
Windows 7 Professional $299,95
Windows 7 Ultimate $319,95
Windows 7 Enterprise Unknown
Source:win7.in
These Prices to me are most unreasonable.
Pricing
Windows 7 Starter $199,95
Windows 7 Home Premium $259,95
Windows 7 Professional $299,95
Windows 7 Ultimate $319,95
Windows 7 Enterprise Unknown
Source:win7.in
Win7 retail pricing rumor
here is what one site is posting as a RUMOR of the RETAIL pricing:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...7-editions.ars
# Windows
7 Home Premium: $259# Windows 7 Professional: $299
# Windows 7 Ultimate: $319
Windows 7 Pricing Starts at $200? Ehh...
Gizmodo - Windows 7 Pricing Starts at $200? Ehh... - Windows 7 pricing
retraction:
Rumor: pricing for the Windows 7 editions (retracted) - Ars Technica
You're probably going to end up seeing another few hundred "speculative"(note the emphasis on that) blogs and other "our word vs actual facts" articles floating around for a bit until MS announces the real world pricing once they have set those to what they will be.
When you actually see the prices listed at MS on the announcement page and/or on the order 7 today type page for retail or newegg or some other vendor for oem that's when they will be confirmed. Until then a number of blogs will simply end up leading people around in circles.
When you actually see the prices listed at MS on the announcement page and/or on the order 7 today type page for retail or newegg or some other vendor for oem that's when they will be confirmed. Until then a number of blogs will simply end up leading people around in circles.
that pricing there would be out of this world ludacris... good luck on the migration i say. And how many licenses?
starter for $200?? how many kids in india/Russia/Mexico/US will have a legal copy on there pc unless bought pre-installed in the first year of existance. Dont take your sample from here...lol... not a real world type scenario. 99% of ppl i talk to outside of the tech world have no clue of windows 7. You think mom and pop are going to shell out those prices just to check/send email to their son away at college? The best way for MS to promote/sell this OS would be thru school, giving students discounts. Or they could have even made a student edition given all the nonsense versions they have anyways. Sell the ultimate for $250 , starter $99 and Home for $175 and be done with it. I bet they wont have many problems with piracy as i believe at those prices ppl would pay for a new and FIXED OS (hopefully), especially if coming from Vista
starter for $200?? how many kids in india/Russia/Mexico/US will have a legal copy on there pc unless bought pre-installed in the first year of existance. Dont take your sample from here...lol... not a real world type scenario. 99% of ppl i talk to outside of the tech world have no clue of windows 7. You think mom and pop are going to shell out those prices just to check/send email to their son away at college? The best way for MS to promote/sell this OS would be thru school, giving students discounts. Or they could have even made a student edition given all the nonsense versions they have anyways. Sell the ultimate for $250 , starter $99 and Home for $175 and be done with it. I bet they wont have many problems with piracy as i believe at those prices ppl would pay for a new and FIXED OS (hopefully), especially if coming from Vista
How much it cost for OEM version ? I would buy it cheaper than Retails.
OEM- tie to only one same pc, limited warranty 30 days, no tech support, cheaper.
RETAIL- can be install any another pc anytime unlimited I could be wrong, plus warranty, box, cheap manual, tech support and very expensive.
I heard that MS giving out free Win 7 if someone already bought pre-installed Vista before and after by the date of purchase.
Too late I sold my laptop with Vista in it.
dg
OEM- tie to only one same pc, limited warranty 30 days, no tech support, cheaper.
RETAIL- can be install any another pc anytime unlimited I could be wrong, plus warranty, box, cheap manual, tech support and very expensive.
I heard that MS giving out free Win 7 if someone already bought pre-installed Vista before and after by the date of purchase.
Too late I sold my laptop with Vista in it.
dg
What you seem to forget there is the pricing on full install version disks will automatically be higher priced then the lesser upgrade disks that become available once 7 is out. Ridiculous at $320-? As I was pointing out before the Vista Ultimate saw $399.99 when first out! Now you get a better version for less if there is any factual basis that comes out after all this for the article there.
And why did Vista and why would 7 see a much higher price tag then seen with older versions? With the retail deal you get two not one edition coming together that use the same product key. MS obviously is looking at the "2 for 1" factor when setting the prices.
There is one question to consider if you think that still too high. Why not pay someone to sit down and write a totally new version for you? Remember that person will likely a high priced software designer/engineer/programmer all wrapped up together at what $75-$100 an hour?
How many hours does it take to come up with a new working version of Windows anyways? Plus you still need someone for testing....? awww... sound familiar?
Actually despite mass production I don't think many would be able to calculate the work hours spent by all involved in all aspects of one version alone let alone different editions to boot. That doesn't include manufacturing and marketing costs added on as well. You have to look at it two ways there.
And why did Vista and why would 7 see a much higher price tag then seen with older versions? With the retail deal you get two not one edition coming together that use the same product key. MS obviously is looking at the "2 for 1" factor when setting the prices.
There is one question to consider if you think that still too high. Why not pay someone to sit down and write a totally new version for you? Remember that person will likely a high priced software designer/engineer/programmer all wrapped up together at what $75-$100 an hour?
How many hours does it take to come up with a new working version of Windows anyways? Plus you still need someone for testing....? awww... sound familiar?
Actually despite mass production I don't think many would be able to calculate the work hours spent by all involved in all aspects of one version alone let alone different editions to boot. That doesn't include manufacturing and marketing costs added on as well. You have to look at it two ways there.
Hi all
I think the "Update, OEM and Street Price" will be significantly less than these ones.
If these are the REAL prices it wont be long before THIS edition becomes universally available.
Cheers
jimbo
I think the "Update, OEM and Street Price" will be significantly less than these ones.
If these are the REAL prices it wont be long before THIS edition becomes universally available.
Cheers
jimbo
If these prices are even close to what they really will be then that's a ****ing bargain considering the amount of new features and functionality included with Windows 7.
XP Professional and Vista Ultimate editions where priced around the $300 mark on their release in 2001 and 2006, so if its close to that price and considering the amount of work Microsoft has done, I would say thats a huge consolidation on Microsoft's part for pricing. I also think Microsoft will be expecting huge sales of Windows 7 after its release since it has huge popularity so I do expect the price will be lowered, also so cash-strapped economy's like Europe and America can easily purchase it.
If you had to pay $300 for Windows 7 Professional (Ultimate Edition) just after its release would you really be complaining with its performance and functionality that Microsoft has worked two years to achieve?
XP Professional and Vista Ultimate editions where priced around the $300 mark on their release in 2001 and 2006, so if its close to that price and considering the amount of work Microsoft has done, I would say thats a huge consolidation on Microsoft's part for pricing. I also think Microsoft will be expecting huge sales of Windows 7 after its release since it has huge popularity so I do expect the price will be lowered, also so cash-strapped economy's like Europe and America can easily purchase it.
If you had to pay $300 for Windows 7 Professional (Ultimate Edition) just after its release would you really be complaining with its performance and functionality that Microsoft has worked two years to achieve?
vista home premium (Bull S%#T Edition) is still like $150 at a lot of places.
i look t it and laugh...."i was gonna buy that s%&t?"....(inner-monologue)
i look t it and laugh...."i was gonna buy that s%&t?"....(inner-monologue)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by dmex If these prices are even close to what they really will be then that's a ****ing bargain considering the amount of new features and functionality included with Windows 7.
XP Professional and Vista Ultimate editions where priced around the $300 mark on their release in 2001 and 2006, so if its close to that price and considering the amount of work Microsoft has done, I would say thats a huge consolidation on Microsoft's part for pricing. I also think Microsoft will be expecting huge sales of Windows 7 after its release since it has huge popularity so I do expect the price will be lowered, also so cash-strapped economy's like Europe and America can easily purchase it.
If you had to pay $300 for Windows 7 Professional (Ultimate Edition) just after its release would you really be complaining with its performance and functionality that Microsoft has worked two years to achieve?
XP Professional and Vista Ultimate editions where priced around the $300 mark on their release in 2001 and 2006, so if its close to that price and considering the amount of work Microsoft has done, I would say thats a huge consolidation on Microsoft's part for pricing. I also think Microsoft will be expecting huge sales of Windows 7 after its release since it has huge popularity so I do expect the price will be lowered, also so cash-strapped economy's like Europe and America can easily purchase it.
If you had to pay $300 for Windows 7 Professional (Ultimate Edition) just after its release would you really be complaining with its performance and functionality that Microsoft has worked two years to achieve?
Now as far as that article's pricing seen at the top of the thread they probably got that from the recent retail price drop by MS on Vista as seen at http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...s/default.aspx
Note the term "price drop"! since each dropped about $80- between what was seen a few years ago until now in preparation for the upcoming release of 7 that will likely be priced higher! at Vista's original if not kept at Vista's current price range.
Dear oh dear, why don't these companies ever learn?
Higher prices = Sell less (obviously) and more hacks appear and get used!
Just like the Music Industry who cry about piracy. When CD's came out all those years ago, they were made very cheaply but they charged the Earth. Then when computer technology caught up so that you could make cheap copies, people who had had enough of being ripped off got there own back. MAKE THINGS CHEAPER AND STOP RIPPING OFF THE PUBLIC!
I do not condone piracy but I can certainly understand why it happens in most cases.
Comon Microsoft.
Higher prices = Sell less (obviously) and more hacks appear and get used!
Just like the Music Industry who cry about piracy. When CD's came out all those years ago, they were made very cheaply but they charged the Earth. Then when computer technology caught up so that you could make cheap copies, people who had had enough of being ripped off got there own back. MAKE THINGS CHEAPER AND STOP RIPPING OFF THE PUBLIC!
I do not condone piracy but I can certainly understand why it happens in most cases.
Comon Microsoft.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by dgwin7 I heard that MS giving out free Win 7 if someone already bought pre-installed Vista before and after by the date of purchase.
Too late I sold my laptop with Vista in it.
Too late I sold my laptop with Vista in it.
And the original article is from Germany back in February when Microsoft was first announcing the versions there would be. How they do it for consumers on the shelves is going to be one of the last things they decide before release.
And it would also make sense for them to have far cheaper upgrade pricing, sort of the way Photoshop works. At this point enough people buy PC's with the OS on it or have things they can upgrade.
And it might even be good for the economy if they have somewhat high pricing to encourage new PC purchases to get the new OS, at least in the early months.
I've always partially attributed the success of Windows as the dominant platform on PCs to the ease of piracy... not dissimilar to how games like Half-Life and Tribes were (the sequels to which were much less popular in units used, especially Tribes 2 where you had to log in). Also one of the reasons Vista didn't go well - people had pirating WinXP down very well. Same with Office.
That said, Win7 is a big enough leap from XP that I'm sure either people will buy it or pirate the **** out of it (they'll find a way). I'm crazy and like buying software though.
I'n holding off buying a laptop until Win7-gen. Upgrades are for bitches.
That said, Win7 is a big enough leap from XP that I'm sure either people will buy it or pirate the **** out of it (they'll find a way). I'm crazy and like buying software though.
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The free upgrades to 7 are supposedly for new computers purchased with Vista Home Premium or above beginning June 26. If you had a laptop with Vista already on it it wouldn't qualify. It's simply to keep people buying new computers rather than stop and wait when they know the new OS is a couple months off. No one could have purchased something eligible yet.
The post 2 above is right. I got in on the Vista promo. I got an XP machine in Dec 2006 and it came with a free upgrade to Vista. You had to "jump through hoops" to get it. I did nothing but buy from Circuit City and they sent me a disk anyway. They wanted to get Vista out there. I still have the disk and have never used it. That machine had 512MB of ram. It's running Se7en today....Vista would never run on it.
Hi all
OF COURSE these prices are crazy -- It's actually CHEAPER now to get a cheap laptop with the OS already "Pre-installed" than to buy a brand spanking version of W7. - OK it's currently VISTA but there will be a FREE upgrade so get the Free upgrade and install on your "Real" computer.
If it checks for "Upgrade" just install the old OS on your machine and Upgrade BEFORE activating.
This HAS to be 100% crazy that it's CHEAPER to BUY a computer with the OS installed than to buy the OS separately.
Cheers
jimbo
OF COURSE these prices are crazy -- It's actually CHEAPER now to get a cheap laptop with the OS already "Pre-installed" than to buy a brand spanking version of W7. - OK it's currently VISTA but there will be a FREE upgrade so get the Free upgrade and install on your "Real" computer.
If it checks for "Upgrade" just install the old OS on your machine and Upgrade BEFORE activating.
This HAS to be 100% crazy that it's CHEAPER to BUY a computer with the OS installed than to buy the OS separately.
Cheers
jimbo
lol at starter price! So much for being starter. Somehow I dont believe those prices. But do remember that theyl be cheaper from online stores anyway.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 If it checks for "Upgrade" just install the old OS on your machine and Upgrade BEFORE activating.
That's what you got from buying a prebuild and never upgrading the hardware. Even with XP I boosted things up there by running 2gb to see that run a lot better! That's especially more noticible when loading a lot on. Even XP can slow right down to Vista's speed in no time once you pile things on.
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This HAS to be 100% crazy that it's CHEAPER to BUY a computer with the OS installed than to buy the OS separately.
And you will also have a new laptop to play around with, that maybe you could upgrade eventually to better specs, so yes it is madness.
Ive just emailed Brandon LeBlanc regarding this, so itl be interesting to see if I get a response.
If these happen to be the prices in the end, thats going to be disappointing..
Enzo
Enzo
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Zagadka No, it makes sense. OEM is based on a contract between the computer manufacturer and MS... MS lowers the price of the OS to the manufacturer, in exchange, they sell 50 billion copies.
So I can get the OS for almost nothing and "Bin" the old computer -- madness .
Actually what I'd do is install the OS to a new machine (via Upgrade) and give the laptop to charity.
It's not that difficult to get W7 (OEM) from one laptop to another as the main components such as CPU are pretty similar so you don't normally have any problem with "Re activation".
Cheers
jimbo
I had my mind set up for bying my first OS ever, cause I was so impressed,
but if these prices sticks.... well...
I just hope it will be sold also as a "hardware-bundle" U know like in buy some sort of
hardware and get it much cheaper (dont know if its just in Denmark?!)
And yes, they should learn that by cutting of half the price (or so) would mean that MANY more would buy!
but if these prices sticks.... well...
I just hope it will be sold also as a "hardware-bundle" U know like in buy some sort of
hardware and get it much cheaper (dont know if its just in Denmark?!)
And yes, they should learn that by cutting of half the price (or so) would mean that MANY more would buy!
I feel that yes perhaps these figures are speculation, but also it saddens me that Microsoft still hasn't learnt from the past.
Why have all these different flavours at all?
And if you're going to price an OS why not make your 'Ultimate' at least comparable with Apple OS X for price?
The Apple Anti Vista campaign was a success that you could only dream about, look how it killed Vista stone dead - clever marketing made people say 'Vista, no way', and yet when you asked them why not more often than not they couldn't give you an answer.
The truth is that Microsoft will have to price more keenly if they actually want to sell these things. Yes, we as testers and users and developers perhaps can see the why, but when someone who is not technically minded looks to buy, they look to see how much damage it will do to their pocket first.
Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.
To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?
Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
Perhaps on installation it could prompt something like:
Basic Installation: Simplest System (OS / wireless/bluetooth/network functionality ; does not include installed Aero effects or advanced networking Apps etc. ) ideal for netbook or low end laptop or home system where only requirement is email & web
Standard Installation: Full System installation without Advanced 'coporate features'
ideal for all users who do not require *whatever makes enterprise deployment necessary or such like*
Enterprise Installation: Full system installation ; does not include *or alternatively the most customisable so that system admins can choose what components are allowed / blocked disabled etc, thereby giving them the full control they crave*
Ultimate Installation: Everything / lock / stock and both smoking barrells.
or perhaps just have basic installation or full installation or selectable blocks (not too comlicated) such as:
games
Utilities (paint / snipping tool / sticky notes)
Media (WMC, live et al)
Wireless (wifi / Bluetooth / IR etc.)
Aero effects and Widgets
Networking Basic/advanced (home or soho needs like ethernet / advanced enterprise level networking features)
I don't know, i'm just throwing ideas around here
Price it to match OS X and you have the rug from out of Apple's feet in one fell swoop. (not that this is an anti Apple thing, as I love apple I really do and i've seen them become the success they are through some very clever marketing
lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').
In this way like OS X, all the features are there, but it's the user who decides what they want, microsoft charge one price, and this takes out the indecision of what is the best version for the user.
MS already know which functionality sets are used by each demographic, such as most home users will never need the advanced networking which a system administrator will need access to, enterprise admins, would probably love to have multimedia apps and games removed from users machines etc.
I know that there is the school of thought that says why pay for what I don't use, but if you then need it, why have to pay again for what you do have, because it includes what you don't have?
I'd be happy to buy Windows7, not basic, not ultimate, not enterprise, not whistle onlyon the night of a fullmoon but only where it falls on a tuesday edition.
I just want to buy Windows7, and I want the advertisments selling it to me by telling me why it's so good.
I'm a PC
And I'm a Mac.
Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?
PC: I'm running on windows 7
Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?
PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X
Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!
PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.
Mac: You lost weight PC?
PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.
Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
Why have all these different flavours at all?
And if you're going to price an OS why not make your 'Ultimate' at least comparable with Apple OS X for price?
The Apple Anti Vista campaign was a success that you could only dream about, look how it killed Vista stone dead - clever marketing made people say 'Vista, no way', and yet when you asked them why not more often than not they couldn't give you an answer.
The truth is that Microsoft will have to price more keenly if they actually want to sell these things. Yes, we as testers and users and developers perhaps can see the why, but when someone who is not technically minded looks to buy, they look to see how much damage it will do to their pocket first.
Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.
To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?
Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
Perhaps on installation it could prompt something like:
Basic Installation: Simplest System (OS / wireless/bluetooth/network functionality ; does not include installed Aero effects or advanced networking Apps etc. ) ideal for netbook or low end laptop or home system where only requirement is email & web
Standard Installation: Full System installation without Advanced 'coporate features'
ideal for all users who do not require *whatever makes enterprise deployment necessary or such like*
Enterprise Installation: Full system installation ; does not include *or alternatively the most customisable so that system admins can choose what components are allowed / blocked disabled etc, thereby giving them the full control they crave*
Ultimate Installation: Everything / lock / stock and both smoking barrells.
or perhaps just have basic installation or full installation or selectable blocks (not too comlicated) such as:
games
Utilities (paint / snipping tool / sticky notes)
Media (WMC, live et al)
Wireless (wifi / Bluetooth / IR etc.)
Aero effects and Widgets
Networking Basic/advanced (home or soho needs like ethernet / advanced enterprise level networking features)
I don't know, i'm just throwing ideas around here
Price it to match OS X and you have the rug from out of Apple's feet in one fell swoop. (not that this is an anti Apple thing, as I love apple I really do and i've seen them become the success they are through some very clever marketing
lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').
In this way like OS X, all the features are there, but it's the user who decides what they want, microsoft charge one price, and this takes out the indecision of what is the best version for the user.
MS already know which functionality sets are used by each demographic, such as most home users will never need the advanced networking which a system administrator will need access to, enterprise admins, would probably love to have multimedia apps and games removed from users machines etc.
I know that there is the school of thought that says why pay for what I don't use, but if you then need it, why have to pay again for what you do have, because it includes what you don't have?
I'd be happy to buy Windows7, not basic, not ultimate, not enterprise, not whistle onlyon the night of a fullmoon but only where it falls on a tuesday edition.
I just want to buy Windows7, and I want the advertisments selling it to me by telling me why it's so good.
I'm a PC
And I'm a Mac.
Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?
PC: I'm running on windows 7
Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?
PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X
Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!
PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.
Mac: You lost weight PC?
PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.
Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
You wouldn't expect 7 be be significantly less than Vista was a few years ago.
Very few people buy the Full Retail product. Mostly it is oem pre installs, then Upgrade discs, then System Builder, and finally a small number at Full Retail price.
My guess is the big push will be for people to "upgrade " from XP and Vista.
You can expect keen pricing on upgrade discs.
There would have to be - if upgrade disc for 7 Pro was half the Retail price - say, $150 - there won't be too many takers.
If M$ want people to upgrade , they need to price that very low.
Very few people buy the Full Retail product. Mostly it is oem pre installs, then Upgrade discs, then System Builder, and finally a small number at Full Retail price.
My guess is the big push will be for people to "upgrade " from XP and Vista.
You can expect keen pricing on upgrade discs.
There would have to be - if upgrade disc for 7 Pro was half the Retail price - say, $150 - there won't be too many takers.
If M$ want people to upgrade , they need to price that very low.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio I feel that yes perhaps these figures are speculation, but also it saddens me that Microsoft still hasn't learnt from the past.
Why have all these different flavours at all?
Why have all these different flavours at all?
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The Apple Anti Vista campaign was a success that you could only dream about, look how it killed Vista stone dead - clever marketing made people say 'Vista, no way', and yet when you asked them why not more often than not they couldn't give you an answer.
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Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.
To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?
Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?
Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
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Price it to match OS X and you have the rug from out of Apple's feet in one fell swoop. (not that this is an anti Apple thing, as I love apple I really do and i've seen them become the success they are through some very clever marketing
lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').
lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').
Their latest two adverts didnt bother attacking Vista and I doubt they can continue to keep doing that much longer, If they do then its going to hurt them bad
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I just want to buy Windows7, and I want the advertisments selling it to me by telling me why it's so good.
I'm a PC
And I'm a Mac.
Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?
PC: I'm running on windows 7
Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?
PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X
Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!
PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.
Mac: You lost weight PC?
PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.
Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
I'm a PC
And I'm a Mac.
Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?
PC: I'm running on windows 7
Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?
PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X
Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!
PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.
Mac: You lost weight PC?
PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.
Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
At least you can upgrade your OS to Windows 7, If you used a Mac you would need to buy a completely new machine just for an OS upgrade. Thats just sad and probably why theres a global credit crisis considering the price of one Mac let alone a few thousand
If you think that is expensive in the USA, consider what we have to pay here in the UK: just convert the Dollar sign to the Pound sign.
I got caught last time with Vista, but never, never ever again!!! I'm already trialing several versions of Linux, so MS has lost me, for ever, and ever!!!
Algypalgy.
I got caught last time with Vista, but never, never ever again!!! I'm already trialing several versions of Linux, so MS has lost me, for ever, and ever!!!
Algypalgy.
Hi,
Yes , that is a big problem.
It should be �1 = �1.50
i.e if it is $300 , then UK price should be �200.
But it will be �300 , which is 50% more than the US price, as usual.
Yes , that is a big problem.
It should be �1 = �1.50
i.e if it is $300 , then UK price should be �200.
But it will be �300 , which is 50% more than the US price, as usual.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 Hi,
Yes , that is a big problem.
It should be �1 = �1.50
i.e if it is $300 , then UK price should be �200.
But it will be �300 , which is 50% more than the US price, as usual.
Yes , that is a big problem.
It should be �1 = �1.50
i.e if it is $300 , then UK price should be �200.
But it will be �300 , which is 50% more than the US price, as usual.
, I know Valve, EA Games and a fair few others do though I don't care if they were selling it for $10.00, I would still only buy one copy for all my machines. I don't know how / when software companies got the idea that you needed a license for each machine you own, but that isn't something I agree with.
-- Brian
-- Brian
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 Hi,
Yes , that is a big problem.
It should be �1 = �1.50
i.e if it is $300 , then UK price should be �200.
But it will be �300 , which is 50% more than the US price, as usual.
Yes , that is a big problem.
It should be �1 = �1.50
i.e if it is $300 , then UK price should be �200.
But it will be �300 , which is 50% more than the US price, as usual.
Yes that's so true, as always the UK gets the raw deal as far as this sort of thing goes, but lets face it..
Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 �175
Mac OS X �85 or the five user family pack is �126 !
that's 90 good reasons to try and install a copy of mac OS X on my PC.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by runningnak3d I don't care if they were selling it for $10.00, I would still only buy one copy for all my machines. I don't know how / when software companies got the idea that you needed a license for each machine you own, but that isn't something I agree with.
-- Brian
-- Brian
�� Quote: Originally Posted by DarkXeno Software companies got the idea from Microsoft, when they started putting the OEM stickers on the side of computers making it one license one machine, this was back in 1998. I'm still shocked it has taken the the rest of the companies this long to try to make it run this way, but with things like EA's Spore lock down people are now looking poorly on this idea lets hope the companies out there learn from it. If they make it cheap and easy to add onto people will buy it. I say $150 for Ultiamte and if you want it on more then one machine its only $1 for an add on machine max ten machines, yes the first price hurts but so does a new video card but you can use it for a long time and if you can spread the copy across the machines you own it wont be as bad.
I agree, after all some people have more than one machine, like a main desktop and a laptop or netbook.
My other half has a laptop and a netbook and together with my workstation that makes 3 machines, and i'm damned if i'm buying 3 licences or upgrading my machine just to get the OS cheap when it's still got life in it.
i need a new laptop as the current one has done a great job for the past 3+ years, but the LCD isn't working properly...and i don't want to replace the LCD for $100+ (plus labor and such so in essence closer to $200) when i can easily sell this laptop for around $130, but a brand new laptop with much better specs for under $500 and with new OS
so it really doesn't make too much sense to buy retail copy of any OS as it is cheaper to just buy a new system with superior specs that comes with the OS pre-installed
so it really doesn't make too much sense to buy retail copy of any OS as it is cheaper to just buy a new system with superior specs that comes with the OS pre-installed
�� Quote: Originally Posted by runningnak3d I don't care if they were selling it for $10.00, I would still only buy one copy for all my machines. I don't know how / when software companies got the idea that you needed a license for each machine you own, but that isn't something I agree with.
-- Brian
-- Brian
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Ultimate Installation: Everything / lock / stock and both smoking barrells
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio My other half has a laptop and a netbook and together with my workstation that makes 3 machines, and i'm damned if i'm buying 3 licences or upgrading my machine just to get the OS cheap when it's still got life in it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by runningnak3d I don't care if they were selling it for $10.00, I would still only buy one copy for all my machines. I don't know how / when software companies got the idea that you needed a license for each machine you own, but that isn't something I agree with.
-- Brian
-- Brian
$300 for Window 7 = 3 machines, the price they are asking is still quite fair.
If you guys actually go to the store and purchase Windows 7 at those prices (if they're true) you must be dumb. Go buy a tech net account, I did when I found it for $350 + 100off coupon so I only paid $250 which is damn good for all Windows Operating Systems.
Live Free!! You got the picture right Jimbo!!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio I feel that yes perhaps these figures are speculation, but also it saddens me that Microsoft still hasn't learnt from the past.
Why have all these different flavours at all?
And if you're going to price an OS why not make your 'Ultimate' at least comparable with Apple OS X for price?
Why have all these different flavours at all?
And if you're going to price an OS why not make your 'Ultimate' at least comparable with Apple OS X for price?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio The Apple Anti Vista campaign was a success that you could only dream about, look how it killed Vista stone dead - clever marketing made people say 'Vista, no way', and yet when you asked them why not more often than not they couldn't give you an answer.
On top of that, Apple had the backing of the computing media. The amount of utter cr*p that came from "Tech" Mags regarding Vista was unreal. And when questioned, there were more than a few occasions where the writer had not even tested Vista themselves, they were reporting what they "heard" from a collegue.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio The truth is that Microsoft will have to price more keenly if they actually want to sell these things. Yes, we as testers and users and developers perhaps can see the why, but when someone who is not technically minded looks to buy, they look to see how much damage it will do to their pocket first.
Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.
Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?
Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
Perhaps on installation it could prompt something like:
Basic Installation: Simplest System (OS / wireless/bluetooth/network functionality ; does not include installed Aero effects or advanced networking Apps etc. ) ideal for netbook or low end laptop or home system where only requirement is email & web
Standard Installation: Full System installation without Advanced 'coporate features'
ideal for all users who do not require *whatever makes enterprise deployment necessary or such like*
Enterprise Installation: Full system installation ; does not include *or alternatively the most customisable so that system admins can choose what components are allowed / blocked disabled etc, thereby giving them the full control they crave*
Ultimate Installation: Everything / lock / stock and both smoking barrells.
or perhaps just have basic installation or full installation or selectable blocks (not too comlicated) such as:
games
Utilities (paint / snipping tool / sticky notes)
Media (WMC, live et al)
Wireless (wifi / Bluetooth / IR etc.)
Aero effects and Widgets
Networking Basic/advanced (home or soho needs like ethernet / advanced enterprise level networking features)
I don't know, i'm just throwing ideas around here
Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
Perhaps on installation it could prompt something like:
Basic Installation: Simplest System (OS / wireless/bluetooth/network functionality ; does not include installed Aero effects or advanced networking Apps etc. ) ideal for netbook or low end laptop or home system where only requirement is email & web
Standard Installation: Full System installation without Advanced 'coporate features'
ideal for all users who do not require *whatever makes enterprise deployment necessary or such like*
Enterprise Installation: Full system installation ; does not include *or alternatively the most customisable so that system admins can choose what components are allowed / blocked disabled etc, thereby giving them the full control they crave*
Ultimate Installation: Everything / lock / stock and both smoking barrells.
or perhaps just have basic installation or full installation or selectable blocks (not too comlicated) such as:
games
Utilities (paint / snipping tool / sticky notes)
Media (WMC, live et al)
Wireless (wifi / Bluetooth / IR etc.)
Aero effects and Widgets
Networking Basic/advanced (home or soho needs like ethernet / advanced enterprise level networking features)
I don't know, i'm just throwing ideas around here
Also, Win 7 will have Anytime Upgrade, so if you bought Home Premium and you decide you need Ultimate, you can go to the Anytime Upgrade control, hook up to MS, and upgrade to Ultimate.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio Price it to match OS X and you have the rug from out of Apple's feet in one fell swoop. (not that this is an anti Apple thing, as I love apple I really do and i've seen them become the success they are through some very clever marketing
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').
In this way like OS X, all the features are there, but it's the user who decides what they want, microsoft charge one price, and this takes out the indecision of what is the best version for the user.
MS already know which functionality sets are used by each demographic, such as most home users will never need the advanced networking which a system administrator will need access to, enterprise admins, would probably love to have multimedia apps and games removed from users machines etc.
I know that there is the school of thought that says why pay for what I don't use, but if you then need it, why have to pay again for what you do have, because it includes what you don't have?
I'd be happy to buy Windows7, not basic, not ultimate, not enterprise, not whistle onlyon the night of a fullmoon but only where it falls on a tuesday edition.
In this way like OS X, all the features are there, but it's the user who decides what they want, microsoft charge one price, and this takes out the indecision of what is the best version for the user.
MS already know which functionality sets are used by each demographic, such as most home users will never need the advanced networking which a system administrator will need access to, enterprise admins, would probably love to have multimedia apps and games removed from users machines etc.
I know that there is the school of thought that says why pay for what I don't use, but if you then need it, why have to pay again for what you do have, because it includes what you don't have?
I'd be happy to buy Windows7, not basic, not ultimate, not enterprise, not whistle onlyon the night of a fullmoon but only where it falls on a tuesday edition.
What you are forgetting is that each and everyone of those different add-ins needs to be supported. Through their exhaustive marketing research, I'm pretty sure MS has figured out demographically, which features are used most. By selling a known product with only those featurs available, they can man the support infrastructure most efficiently. If they sell a single version with all the bells and whistles, they will have plenty of users, playing with add-ins that they don't need or understand, but MS must support them.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio I just want to buy Windows7, and I want the advertisments selling it to me by telling me why it's so good.
I'm a PC
And I'm a Mac.
Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?
PC: I'm running on windows 7
Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?
PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X
Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!
PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.
Mac: You lost weight PC?
PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.
Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
I'm a PC
And I'm a Mac.
Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?
PC: I'm running on windows 7
Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?
PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X
Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!
PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.
Mac: You lost weight PC?
PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.
Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
PhreePhly
Might as well stick with my Technet Plus subscription. With all the other downloads on there &, I assume, eventually the final Windows 7, it actually saves money.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by dmex If you didn't already know... Your allowed to use your Vista Ultimate license on 3 machines but any more than that and the Activation will start failing, I say the same will be for Windows 7 Professional (Ultimate) but they might raise the limit
The reason you require a license for each machine you own is because your running multiple copys of their software, A company with 300,000 machines would only need to purchase one License, spending just $300 for their entire corporation if these restrictions where not placed on the software.
$300 for Window 7 = 3 machines, the price they are asking is still quite fair.
The reason you require a license for each machine you own is because your running multiple copys of their software, A company with 300,000 machines would only need to purchase one License, spending just $300 for their entire corporation if these restrictions where not placed on the software.
$300 for Window 7 = 3 machines, the price they are asking is still quite fair.
I am a single individual, I can not be in my bed room using that box, AND in my living room using that one, AND in my den using that one ALL at the same time.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by copernicus Do you feel entitled to multiple viewings of a movie when you go to the theater? Or multiple meals at a restaurant when you only pay for one?
-- Brian
So I'll take that as a yes to my questions?
This option (Upgrade to itself) should be available just as it was with Vista, therefore the going price should be about 1/2 the amount of the full retail version.
You get the same OS, but you only pay half the price.
BUT if that option is not available & I have too, I'll pay for the full retail version of W7U once the price comes down a bit. I got till March 1st 2010 using the RC I have on my system now before it starts the shutting down every 2 hrs.
I guess I could do the re-arm route too for 30 days at a time for 3 times to extend the time left on it as well.
You get the same OS, but you only pay half the price.
BUT if that option is not available & I have too, I'll pay for the full retail version of W7U once the price comes down a bit. I got till March 1st 2010 using the RC I have on my system now before it starts the shutting down every 2 hrs.
I guess I could do the re-arm route too for 30 days at a time for 3 times to extend the time left on it as well.
Hi
I am running the windows 7 rc on my pc
is it not possible to keep it running after the free period,would i be able to pay Microsoft for the copy i have now ?
I am running the windows 7 rc on my pc
is it not possible to keep it running after the free period,would i be able to pay Microsoft for the copy i have now ?
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is it not possible to keep it running after the free period,would i be able to pay Microsoft for the copy i have now ?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by redsoxm16 no. you would have to get the final version
Thanks for your help
What's unfortunate is that some people have just bought Vista and been disappointed by it. They'll be reluctant to jump onto yet another OS. I have Vista Ultimate x64 sitting here in a brand new case and it was $200. Will I buy W7? Of course I will but the upgrade editions, while cheaper, are useless.
You HAVE to have the full retail to ensure a smooth install, hence the higher price.
You HAVE to have the full retail to ensure a smooth install, hence the higher price.
I too am a little bit unhappy with all the different versions. I had Vista Home Premium and did well with it but HAD to get Ultimate for 1 Thing!! I'd prefer if I could have used the Digital Locker feature and gave them $10-20 for the 1 Ultimate feature I needed. I know that sets a bad president but if you only need 1 or 2 Ultimate items why waste the money on it.
Gotta be fake.. $200 for the starter edition?
I don't think so.
What I'd like to see (although would PREFER cheaper.. such as not $50 increments.. and would like to see ultimate at ~200$)
Starter $100
Home premium- $150
Professional - $200
Ultimate-$250
I don't think so.
What I'd like to see (although would PREFER cheaper.. such as not $50 increments.. and would like to see ultimate at ~200$)
Starter $100
Home premium- $150
Professional - $200
Ultimate-$250
I will probably buy ultimate since by then I will be so thoroughly hooked on the product
that I really won't have a choice. I really like win seven over vista. I have them both on my laptop and I never ever use vista.
that I really won't have a choice. I really like win seven over vista. I have them both on my laptop and I never ever use vista.
I would pay a quarter of that, but even then I'd still think it expensive.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 You can expect keen pricing on upgrade discs.
There would have to be - if upgrade disc for 7 Pro was half the Retail price - say, $150 - there won't be too many takers.
If M$ want people to upgrade , they need to price that very low.
There would have to be - if upgrade disc for 7 Pro was half the Retail price - say, $150 - there won't be too many takers.
If M$ want people to upgrade , they need to price that very low.
The high prices everyone is complaining about are see on the full install editions whether retail or oem while the retail package contains both 32bit and 64bit versions of the same edition while oem is either one or the other bought separately. The upgrade disk for 7 Pro wouldn't be 50% at $150- but more like 75% of the retail price if the final prices are anything like seen on Vista.
That was about $260 for the Ultimate upgrade disk in early 2007, $200 for Business, and $160 for Home Premium at the time. Windows Vista pricing favors PC upgrades • The Register
That is still way to much for Vista (IMHO).
I couldn't argue about that before Vista's initial release and later finding out from someone went retail not oem that both the 32bit and 64bit Ultimate editions were either included with the retail box or saw a coupon for the 64bit at that time. $399- for Ultimate was an absurb price when I had been paying $180- for 98SE and actually less for XP SP2 oem while XP Pro SP2 retail still gets close to $200 when you look around for it. Newegg.com - Microsoft Get Genuine Kit Windows XP Professional SP2 - Operating Systems
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk I couldn't argue about that before Vista's initial release and later finding out from someone went retail not oem that both the 32bit and 64bit Ultimate editions were either included with the retail box or saw a coupon for the 64bit at that time. $399- for Ultimate was an absurb price when I had been paying $180- for 98SE and actually less for XP SP2 oem while XP Pro SP2 retail still gets close to $200 when you look around for it. Newegg.com - Microsoft Get Genuine Kit Windows XP Professional SP2 - Operating Systems
are they f%#king crazy?!? $200 for xp! that gotta be a gimmick, for old people or something. because there's no way someone in their right mind would pay for that. it's 75 dollars at my local walmart. i thinks that just because they been there forever.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by MasterEvilAce Gotta be fake.. $200 for the starter edition?
I don't think so.
What I'd like to see (although would PREFER cheaper.. such as not $50 increments.. and would like to see ultimate at ~200$)
Starter $100
Home premium- $150
Professional - $200
Ultimate-$250
I don't think so.
What I'd like to see (although would PREFER cheaper.. such as not $50 increments.. and would like to see ultimate at ~200$)
Starter $100
Home premium- $150
Professional - $200
Ultimate-$250
Virtually NO ONE pays suggested retail for Windows ever.
Go to any online tech store, or computer store, buy a new HD or a new sick of ram, CDROM whatever and get the OEM copy for half the retail cost. You can't parallel install it but you CAN serial install it as long as there has been 6 months or something between them, I.e. you CAN do a full machine upgrade with it a second or third time.
Everyone else will get it preinstalled for even less.
And though the Windows 7 is hot on the heels of Vista (two years). I was around for the 5 years and 5 "upgrades" of OSX qhen it first came out that cost $135 each flat out once a year.
Apple was "earning" a hell of a lot more money from each mac user during that time than microsoft has made from individual customers ever and only /now/ is MS even close close to catching up...
Still, I agree, a killer price deal and the taming of the version madess seems ilke a sane thing to do. I can see it now though, if W7 home was $60 and W7 Pro cost $100 MS would be sued by Apple, RedHat and everyone else for monopoly abuse all over. :/
This discsussion is essentially moot for a number of reasons.
1 - As said, suggested retail is simply a guideline. It's rarely baseline.
2 - With the launch, there will be piles of incentives, programs and contests.
3 - New systems will be quick to bundle with W7 in an effort to make up for lost sales over Vista.
4 - An upgrade program is inevitable for disgruntled Vista users.
5 - For many, the cost will not be a factor, further making any notion of pricing vs. distribution irrelevant.
1 - As said, suggested retail is simply a guideline. It's rarely baseline.
2 - With the launch, there will be piles of incentives, programs and contests.
3 - New systems will be quick to bundle with W7 in an effort to make up for lost sales over Vista.
4 - An upgrade program is inevitable for disgruntled Vista users.
5 - For many, the cost will not be a factor, further making any notion of pricing vs. distribution irrelevant.
The XP Pro SP3 oem disks were seen for $130 while the SP2 retail is seen for the $197.99 at the same time! Which one do you think right off would be the seller for anyone still looking for the older version?
Obviously SP3 already being included solves a great deal of things right off. But if you walk into a Walmart don't be surprized to see XP SP3 retail for about the same price as newegg has listed for the SP2! Once SP3 was out on disk all retail store restocked with those replacing the SP2 disks.
Obviously SP3 already being included solves a great deal of things right off. But if you walk into a Walmart don't be surprized to see XP SP3 retail for about the same price as newegg has listed for the SP2! Once SP3 was out on disk all retail store restocked with those replacing the SP2 disks.
Dissapointed if those prices will stay when final copy comes out, but yer, i would probly end up buying home premium, wont be spending any more over that.
I ended up being stuck with Vista Home Premium when that was first out due to how fast the Ultimate edition flew off of shelves! I can imagine the overnight wait along with the crowds for the doors to open at retail outlets once 7 is available! 
Yoiu'll be in good shape just being able to grab a copy of the Starter or Basic edition at that time. People will be shelling out the do re' me just to get their own copy by the way things are going for 7 so far!
Yoiu'll be in good shape just being able to grab a copy of the Starter or Basic edition at that time. People will be shelling out the do re' me just to get their own copy by the way things are going for 7 so far!
I wouldn't want to pay anything over $175 for Windows 7 Home Premium (x64).
Though I wont have to worry about it so much as I'll be buying a new desktop PC (this laptop stinks with gaming) sometime next summer
Though I wont have to worry about it so much as I'll be buying a new desktop PC (this laptop stinks with gaming) sometime next summer
Personally I already know which choice I'll be making once 7 is out. I'm still hoping to see 7 Ultimate priced better then Vista was back in 2007 however since I won't be settling this time around for anything less then the full retail releases. By that time I'll have just about all of the updated versions of the softwares used on a regular basis along with a few new ones.
Yer, might actually wait til i buy new desktop, since when Win7 is out, most Desktops will be sold with Win7 on it, so new desktop with Win7 probly better idea than spending $200+ for a copy of Win7
I think Microsoft needs to look into their pricing structure.
I am not a fan of Mac's myself, but you can buy a copy of Apple's latest OS for $129 USD, right from the source (not a discount reseller for example)
Mac OS X v10.5.6 Leopard - Apple Store (Canada)
I will buy either the Pro or Ultimate versions because I very much enjoy what Win7 offers me. However for the average user, they probably won't shell out the money.
The pricing seems to be targeted at enthusiasts and power users instead of the every day user (since power users will shell out big bucks for the newest and latest)
I am not a fan of Mac's myself, but you can buy a copy of Apple's latest OS for $129 USD, right from the source (not a discount reseller for example)
Mac OS X v10.5.6 Leopard - Apple Store (Canada)
I will buy either the Pro or Ultimate versions because I very much enjoy what Win7 offers me. However for the average user, they probably won't shell out the money.
The pricing seems to be targeted at enthusiasts and power users instead of the every day user (since power users will shell out big bucks for the newest and latest)
For the typical novice user you wouldn't expect them to be interested in network configurations and virtual machines while the more advanced user will spend the time along the extra to get the best suited editions. Here I have several things where the Ultimate would be the best edition to even consider.
When Vista originally saw the higher price tags many "newbies" as the expression goes were simply told to stay with the Home Premium while some still went for the Business edition there. The gamers on the other hand were rushing out for the 64bit Ultimate with the impression that 8-20gb of memory would solve all performance issues besides the latest top end video cards.
There's one thing to consider namely the 64bit oem disks will certainly sell out much faster with 7 seeing a much improved 32bit emulation as well as the trend for larger softwares needing a bit more ram then seen previously.
When Vista originally saw the higher price tags many "newbies" as the expression goes were simply told to stay with the Home Premium while some still went for the Business edition there. The gamers on the other hand were rushing out for the 64bit Ultimate with the impression that 8-20gb of memory would solve all performance issues besides the latest top end video cards.
There's one thing to consider namely the 64bit oem disks will certainly sell out much faster with 7 seeing a much improved 32bit emulation as well as the trend for larger softwares needing a bit more ram then seen previously.
Micro$oft should take a lesson from Wal_Mart. Loose $100 on every copy of Win7 they sell, but make it up in Volume of more Sales
Well the one thing to remember about any price is just what that is and not just for Windows alone. The price isn't for the disk or updates but the "license" to use their software on your system. That also applies to any other retail software.
When installing you agree to abide by each company's own licensing agreement which is where thay got you coming and going! Even with Linux and other OSs there's a few stipulations seen there as well if you look a little closer. What has been lately is the trend by the open source people to make Linux more appealing to whom?
Windows users! By making things a little easier to work with in each newer release they are trying to deflate the old "geek's OS" reputation seen years back. That effort will be increased with the introduction of 7 for sure!
When installing you agree to abide by each company's own licensing agreement which is where thay got you coming and going! Even with Linux and other OSs there's a few stipulations seen there as well if you look a little closer. What has been lately is the trend by the open source people to make Linux more appealing to whom?
Windows users! By making things a little easier to work with in each newer release they are trying to deflate the old "geek's OS" reputation seen years back. That effort will be increased with the introduction of 7 for sure!
dmex, phreephly, thanks for those insightfull views - I really didn't know any of my versons of past software qualified me to put them on three machines - I always bought retail versions for each one!
Phreephly, on the subject of commercials, I think that however missinforming you think the advertisments are, they served their purpose - to inform (rightly or wrongly) the differences between the two platforms.
Now, perhaps they did contribute to people shunning Vista without good reason, and I know many who do and prefer to stick with XP, but they can't answer why as they have no personal experience of it!
But my point was this, Apple commercials are (mis?)infomercials, they say this is what our product can do, and this is how. People now not only have the choice, but they have an understanding of why they can choose having seen the thing in action and having it explained to them.
When I saw the "I'm a PC" commercial it told me nothing about microsoft, or it's Vista product. It told me what I already knew - that a global community uses M$ products. It did not compell me to go and buy or contemplate buying Vista.
Whatever you may think about apple, their marketing is slick, and it it very good at targetting - which in part comes from over a decade of people with PC's asking why Mac?
M$ need to take this and learn from it, you can't just throw a product to market and expect people to jump on it just because of who you are, you need to educate them into understanding why it's good for them to change.
If they're on the ball, they can win this with 7, perhaps even using those little film clips on the 7 website of the guys explaining features.
What they won't get is sales by showing people saying I'm a PC and then throwing an MS logo into view at the end.
The only people that ever managed to pull that one off was apple themselves back in the eighties with their people staring at a big screen ad, but then, they did get Ridley Scott to do that.
M$ need and probably are aware that their potential customer base is now on the defensive, they all know that 7 is coming but there is the undercurrent that W7 might be the same old s**t in a shinier bucket.
All the people I know with vista all waited till SP1 came out before committing their cash, and if M$ is not carefull the same will happen with 7.
The press are already hailing it as a great new product and rightly so, but joe public doesn't pick up a copy of custom PC or other specialist mag.
Joe just wants to know why he should pay premium dollar for this new OS as opposed to waiting a couple of Christmases time, when he plans to upgrade his computer anyway - but that's no good to M$.
How many times have you heard, oh I use vista, Iliked xp, but this is what came bundled on the new computer. We should be hearing I want to use Windows 7, my computer's only a few months old, so i'm not going to change it in a hurry but I want to use 7 right now.
As for the original reason for the thread, I'd be happy to pay up to 150gbp for an OS, any higher (175) and i'd very much resent it. and over 200, i'd probably just go and install my old vista or XP copies again.
Phreephly, on the subject of commercials, I think that however missinforming you think the advertisments are, they served their purpose - to inform (rightly or wrongly) the differences between the two platforms.
Now, perhaps they did contribute to people shunning Vista without good reason, and I know many who do and prefer to stick with XP, but they can't answer why as they have no personal experience of it!
But my point was this, Apple commercials are (mis?)infomercials, they say this is what our product can do, and this is how. People now not only have the choice, but they have an understanding of why they can choose having seen the thing in action and having it explained to them.
When I saw the "I'm a PC" commercial it told me nothing about microsoft, or it's Vista product. It told me what I already knew - that a global community uses M$ products. It did not compell me to go and buy or contemplate buying Vista.
Whatever you may think about apple, their marketing is slick, and it it very good at targetting - which in part comes from over a decade of people with PC's asking why Mac?
M$ need to take this and learn from it, you can't just throw a product to market and expect people to jump on it just because of who you are, you need to educate them into understanding why it's good for them to change.
If they're on the ball, they can win this with 7, perhaps even using those little film clips on the 7 website of the guys explaining features.
What they won't get is sales by showing people saying I'm a PC and then throwing an MS logo into view at the end.
The only people that ever managed to pull that one off was apple themselves back in the eighties with their people staring at a big screen ad, but then, they did get Ridley Scott to do that.
M$ need and probably are aware that their potential customer base is now on the defensive, they all know that 7 is coming but there is the undercurrent that W7 might be the same old s**t in a shinier bucket.
All the people I know with vista all waited till SP1 came out before committing their cash, and if M$ is not carefull the same will happen with 7.
The press are already hailing it as a great new product and rightly so, but joe public doesn't pick up a copy of custom PC or other specialist mag.
Joe just wants to know why he should pay premium dollar for this new OS as opposed to waiting a couple of Christmases time, when he plans to upgrade his computer anyway - but that's no good to M$.
How many times have you heard, oh I use vista, Iliked xp, but this is what came bundled on the new computer. We should be hearing I want to use Windows 7, my computer's only a few months old, so i'm not going to change it in a hurry but I want to use 7 right now.
As for the original reason for the thread, I'd be happy to pay up to 150gbp for an OS, any higher (175) and i'd very much resent it. and over 200, i'd probably just go and install my old vista or XP copies again.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by McBlzr Micro$oft should take a lesson from Wal_Mart. Loose $100 on every copy of Win7 they sell, but make it up in Volume of more Sales
�� Quote: Originally Posted by McBlzr Micro$oft should take a lesson from Wal_Mart. Loose $100 on every copy of Win7 they sell, but make it up in Volume of more Sales
Bigger prices more warez stuff....Microsoft will not make a progress in finance with that price... and I'm sure I will wait them a little bit, to lower the price
�� Quote: Originally Posted by crofurs Bigger prices more warez stuff....Microsoft will not make a progress in finance with that price... and I'm sure I will wait them a little bit, to lower the price
Since we can use this RC until March 2010 assuming 7 gets released in mid/late 09 we should see prices fall!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by 12eason The problem is though, they would not lose any money if they lowered the price. The development costs no where near justify these prices. This is just pure greed.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by 12eason The problem is though, they would not lose any money if they lowered the price. The development costs no where near justify these prices. This is just pure greed.
Running a company for profit is greed?
ha.
Taking advantage of a monopoly position by charging extortionate prices is greed, yes.
might just wait until someone copys it and puts it on a torrent site lol
�� Quote: Originally Posted by 12eason Taking advantage of a monopoly position by charging extortionate prices is greed, yes.
I have Two PCs and a laptop, so if they charge say $300 for the OP I can put it onto
each machine because MS says you can install it on 3 machines, so that will work out at a hundred dollars a machine which isn't to bad, now for all the people that only have one machine, buy an OEM version and install it on the machine, if you ever have any problems you have always got this site to give you excellent help if needed , and you can install it, and uninstall it, as many times as you like, on that same. machine.
But if you are one of those people that get a new Motherboard every couple of weeks ,then obviously I am not including you in this , because you need to buy the retail package ,sorry.
each machine because MS says you can install it on 3 machines, so that will work out at a hundred dollars a machine which isn't to bad, now for all the people that only have one machine, buy an OEM version and install it on the machine, if you ever have any problems you have always got this site to give you excellent help if needed , and you can install it, and uninstall it, as many times as you like, on that same. machine.
But if you are one of those people that get a new Motherboard every couple of weeks ,then obviously I am not including you in this , because you need to buy the retail package ,sorry.
I'm pretty sure individual licenses with limits of three machines does not mean you can have the license(s) active concurrently.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by copernicus I'm pretty sure individual licenses with limits of three machines does not mean you can have the license(s) active concurrently.
So if it means that if my machine crashs that I can install it on a new machine up to three times, well then I am sure that you can buy a licence for having more than one machine in the house , which is very common these days, so I will buy one of those licenses.
I had only bought XP pro yrs ago, Vista never! all pre installed, but definitively im buying this win seven. Hopefully the give a big discount for university students
�� Quote: Originally Posted by copernicus Dominance is equivalent to monopoly?
Why should companies be forced (and by who?) to develop programs in a certain manner?
Why should any company be forced to do anything?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio dmex, phreephly, thanks for those insightfull views - I really didn't know any of my versons of past software qualified me to put them on three machines - I always bought retail versions for each one!
Phreephly, on the subject of commercials, I think that however missinforming you think the advertisments are, they served their purpose - to inform (rightly or wrongly) the differences between the two platforms.
Now, perhaps they did contribute to people shunning Vista without good reason, and I know many who do and prefer to stick with XP, but they can't answer why as they have no personal experience of it!
But my point was this, Apple commercials are (mis?)infomercials, they say this is what our product can do, and this is how. People now not only have the choice, but they have an understanding of why they can choose having seen the thing in action and having it explained to them.
When I saw the "I'm a PC" commercial it told me nothing about microsoft, or it's Vista product. It told me what I already knew - that a global community uses M$ products. It did not compell me to go and buy or contemplate buying Vista.
Phreephly, on the subject of commercials, I think that however missinforming you think the advertisments are, they served their purpose - to inform (rightly or wrongly) the differences between the two platforms.
Now, perhaps they did contribute to people shunning Vista without good reason, and I know many who do and prefer to stick with XP, but they can't answer why as they have no personal experience of it!
But my point was this, Apple commercials are (mis?)infomercials, they say this is what our product can do, and this is how. People now not only have the choice, but they have an understanding of why they can choose having seen the thing in action and having it explained to them.
When I saw the "I'm a PC" commercial it told me nothing about microsoft, or it's Vista product. It told me what I already knew - that a global community uses M$ products. It did not compell me to go and buy or contemplate buying Vista.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio Whatever you may think about apple, their marketing is slick, and it it very good at targetting - which in part comes from over a decade of people with PC's asking why Mac?
M$ need to take this and learn from it, you can't just throw a product to market and expect people to jump on it just because of who you are, you need to educate them into understanding why it's good for them to change.
M$ need to take this and learn from it, you can't just throw a product to market and expect people to jump on it just because of who you are, you need to educate them into understanding why it's good for them to change.
Imagine if MS had decided to stop support for XP upon the release of Vista and only released Vista as 64bit. The Windows world would have been up in arms. Businesses would have rebelled. MS is too big and too many large organizations have too much invested in MS for those kind of changes to be tolerated.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio If they're on the ball, they can win this with 7, perhaps even using those little film clips on the 7 website of the guys explaining features.
What they won't get is sales by showing people saying I'm a PC and then throwing an MS logo into view at the end.
The only people that ever managed to pull that one off was apple themselves back in the eighties with their people staring at a big screen ad, but then, they did get Ridley Scott to do that.
What they won't get is sales by showing people saying I'm a PC and then throwing an MS logo into view at the end.
The only people that ever managed to pull that one off was apple themselves back in the eighties with their people staring at a big screen ad, but then, they did get Ridley Scott to do that.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio M$ need and probably are aware that their potential customer base is now on the defensive, they all know that 7 is coming but there is the undercurrent that W7 might be the same old s**t in a shinier bucket.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio All the people I know with vista all waited till SP1 came out before committing their cash, and if M$ is not carefull the same will happen with 7.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio The press are already hailing it as a great new product and rightly so, but joe public doesn't pick up a copy of custom PC or other specialist mag.
Joe just wants to know why he should pay premium dollar for this new OS as opposed to waiting a couple of Christmases time, when he plans to upgrade his computer anyway - but that's no good to M$.
How many times have you heard, oh I use vista, Iliked xp, but this is what came bundled on the new computer. We should be hearing I want to use Windows 7, my computer's only a few months old, so i'm not going to change it in a hurry but I want to use 7 right now.
Joe just wants to know why he should pay premium dollar for this new OS as opposed to waiting a couple of Christmases time, when he plans to upgrade his computer anyway - but that's no good to M$.
How many times have you heard, oh I use vista, Iliked xp, but this is what came bundled on the new computer. We should be hearing I want to use Windows 7, my computer's only a few months old, so i'm not going to change it in a hurry but I want to use 7 right now.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by saverio As for the original reason for the thread, I'd be happy to pay up to 150gbp for an OS, any higher (175) and i'd very much resent it. and over 200, i'd probably just go and install my old vista or XP copies again.
PhreePhly
To add my 2 cents ... no ... I'm going to wait and buy the OEM versions.
Given the rapid advancements in hardware, by the time that MS comes out with another OS, it probably won't work on today's hardware anyway. So, the way to go then will be new hardware with the new OS.
Plus, given how vendors treated their customers by pushing underpowered (read that, "cheap") machines on them just to sell new boxes with Vista, I fully expect them to pull the same tricks with Windows 7 this fall. So, no, I won't be buying a machine with Seven preinstalled; instead, I'll just limp along on my current machine until the (legacy) drivers don't work anymore and then build a new rig. And yeah, that will require a new OEM license, but by then, the computer places will be selling it at discount anyway.
Given the rapid advancements in hardware, by the time that MS comes out with another OS, it probably won't work on today's hardware anyway. So, the way to go then will be new hardware with the new OS.
Plus, given how vendors treated their customers by pushing underpowered (read that, "cheap") machines on them just to sell new boxes with Vista, I fully expect them to pull the same tricks with Windows 7 this fall. So, no, I won't be buying a machine with Seven preinstalled; instead, I'll just limp along on my current machine until the (legacy) drivers don't work anymore and then build a new rig. And yeah, that will require a new OEM license, but by then, the computer places will be selling it at discount anyway.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly I think you under estimate the MS brand and the fact that Windows is the default OS on 99%( slight exaggeration) of the PC's sold. Also, who wants to listen to some geek describe what you can do on your PC for 60 seconds? HP does that already. Their commercials show all the great things you can do on an HP... that is running Windows. What else can MS do? Sure, they could make a commercial that answers back to Apples implications, such as all PC's get Viruses and crash. The best that MS can say is "so do Macs". What's accomplished? nothing. It turns into a schoolyard shouting match and MS looks like a bully.
That's your choice. I look at is as I started using Vista fulltime in May of 2007, so I got 2 years of usage. It has been rock solid for me. I bought the OEM Ultimate for $180.
PhreePhly
That's your choice. I look at is as I started using Vista fulltime in May of 2007, so I got 2 years of usage. It has been rock solid for me. I bought the OEM Ultimate for $180.
PhreePhly
Now as far as MS advertising? They already have that covered just by signing up for testing and a quick look around the next thing you see is...
MS is able to make us being anxious time to time. Who doesnt work with computer?
I will just explore this 64-bit RC till it expire. Started to feel that some ways this OS work much nicer than my 64 bit Vista. Maybe I'll wait what the future offer me and course what I can afford too. Mostly I will make the decision based on the actual situation. No loss I hope.
I will just explore this 64-bit RC till it expire. Started to feel that some ways this OS work much nicer than my 64 bit Vista. Maybe I'll wait what the future offer me and course what I can afford too
. Mostly I will make the decision based on the actual situation. No loss I hope. �� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Vista was made strong when looking back at how many problems kept coming up on XP! In fact I know some that skipped past XP entirely and starting running Vista and stand by that. Well.... until I got them motivated to look into 7 that is!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Vista was made strong when looking back at how many problems kept coming up on XP! In fact I know some that skipped past XP entirely and starting running Vista and stand by that. Well.... until I got them motivated to look into 7 that is!
Now as far as MS advertising? They already have that covered just by signing up for testing and a quick look around the next thing you see is...
Now as far as MS advertising? They already have that covered just by signing up for testing and a quick look around the next thing you see is...
Some of us superhumans that live incredibly long lives, however, remember that distant past and smile. XP had no drivers for printers and scanners, games were slower, heck, there was a bug in the install that if you used a nVidia geforce 440 chipset during the install the system would BSOD. That finally got fixed in SP2.
I was one of those crazies that would not move from my Win2000 setup. XP used more memory, had less compatibility and was slower. I kept telling myself that, until I actually started using it.
Windows 7 will do just fine. XP is long in the tooth, Vista set up a great environment for drivers, and hardware gets cheaper and cheaper. I expect my company to hold out until 2014 when all support for XP ceases before moving on to Vista, but I won't care, I'll be running my secret Windows 9 beta and being quite smug about it.
PhreePhly
So I guess the upgrade editions will fall in line at about 60%-70% of the full cost?
The upgrade disks are always lowered priced to start with generally requiring a pre-existing copy of an older version already installed seeing the installer started up there. Some have managed to get past the not being able to boot direct full install option with a full version to still see Windows installed at times however.
For an old 95 upgrade disk all those years back boot from floppy to start the installer manually at the dos prompt was the way that was done! That was lightning compared to 98SE when first seen speedwise. Following the big ME flop MS rushed XP out using it as the upgrade of 2000 as well as the immediate replacement for none other the ME but leaving the Fat shell behind.
For an old 95 upgrade disk all those years back boot from floppy to start the installer manually at the dos prompt was the way that was done! That was lightning compared to 98SE when first seen speedwise. Following the big ME flop MS rushed XP out using it as the upgrade of 2000 as well as the immediate replacement for none other the ME but leaving the Fat shell behind.
Can I get this in U.S. prices?
If it costs $320 for Ultimate, then to hell with 7 RTM! I'm cracking my pre-release build so I doesn't expire!
If it costs $320 for Ultimate, then to hell with 7 RTM! I'm cracking my pre-release build so I doesn't expire!
Since MS hasn't released the actual initial price listings the only reference see now is the fact that Vista now out for 2yrs. has seen a price drop from the original $399.99 down to the $320 mark for the retail version of Ultimate there. The retail packages include the 64bit version along with the 32bit.
That's one reason why XP along with the previous versions saw half that price from only seeing one disk per retail carton. The 64bit Pro was sold separately from the Home, 32bit Pro, and MCE editions. With MS since placing the emphasis on the 64bit Windows you buy 2 for 1 paying the higher price to start with.
That's one reason why XP along with the previous versions saw half that price from only seeing one disk per retail carton. The 64bit Pro was sold separately from the Home, 32bit Pro, and MCE editions. With MS since placing the emphasis on the 64bit Windows you buy 2 for 1 paying the higher price to start with.
Thats something I never thought about Night Hawk, with MS all up in arms over 64bit computing, will they sell 64bit versions and 32 bit versions on the same disc, or will they make it easier to get a 64 bit version. I was never able to find 64 bit when Vista came out, not at any retail store anyway.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mSeliga Thats something I never thought about Night Hawk, with MS all up in arms over 64bit computing, will they sell 64bit versions and 32 bit versions on the same disc, or will they make it easier to get a 64 bit version. I was never able to find 64 bit when Vista came out, not at any retail store anyway.
PhreePhly
I think for Vista users the prices would be outrageous. I would be willing to upgrade for maybe $99 dollars for upgrade versions if I can do a fresh install, but I wouldn't be willing to buy OEMs like I have in the past. I currently run Vista Ultimate OEM I guess my question would be why would I pay $199.99 (guessing OEM price) for an OS with less features? When I say less features here are some examples: dreamscene, parental controls, windows photo gallery. I know you can download them from MS but thats just BS. The versions for download blow. The only thing I see thats different is the start bar and themes. In my experience in running 7 it is not any faster than Vista (sorry). MS should take a look at Apple, you can buy a 5 machine license for $199.99. I'm not getting all the hype over 7. Memory use isn't any better like Vista it uses memory based on whats available, and I want my PC to use my memory. Thats the big difference between Vista and XP, XP users don't like using there memory there saving it up for a rainy day I guess.
In short I don't think I will be willing to pay 200 dollars per machine for something that isn't any better then what I'm already running. Lets just face it if your running XP anything would be better so I guess I would be willing to shell out but not from Vista.
In short I don't think I will be willing to pay 200 dollars per machine for something that isn't any better then what I'm already running. Lets just face it if your running XP anything would be better so I guess I would be willing to shell out but not from Vista.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by zone23 I think for Vista users the prices would be outrageous. I would be willing to upgrade for maybe $99 dollars for upgrade versions if I can do a fresh install, but I wouldn't be willing to buy OEMs like I have in the past. I currently run Vista Ultimate OEM I guess my question would be why would I pay $199.99 (guessing OEM price) for an OS with less features? When I say less features here are some examples: dreamscene, parental controls, windows photo gallery. I know you can download them from MS but thats just BS. The versions for download blow. The only thing I see thats different is the start bar and themes. In my experience in running 7 it is not any faster than Vista (sorry). MS should take a look at Apple, you can buy a 5 machine license for $199.99. I'm not getting all the hype over 7. Memory use isn't any better like Vista it uses memory based on whats available, and I want my PC to use my memory. Thats the big difference between Vista and XP, XP users don't like using there memory there saving it up for a rainy day I guess.
In short I don't think I will be willing to pay 200 dollars per machine for something that isn't any better then what I'm already running. Lets just face it if your running XP anything would be better so I guess I would be willing to shell out but not from Vista.
In short I don't think I will be willing to pay 200 dollars per machine for something that isn't any better then what I'm already running. Lets just face it if your running XP anything would be better so I guess I would be willing to shell out but not from Vista.
Now I agree that Vista is just not that bad, and I agree that if you are using and enjoying Vista, why upgrade to Win 7. Quite honestly, when Vista came out, I would get questions from friends about upgrading. When I saw the systems that they had, I suggested that they stay with XP, as the Vista experience would be sub-par.
For me, using the beta/RC has shown me that my system can easily handle it, and the added GUI features, plus live essential downloads makes it worth the upgrade.
As far as MS following Apple's lead, once again, Apple is a hardware company that has an OS as a loss-leader. Their margins are made on the hardware. MS sells the OS, it's margins come from that software. The two companies are not comparable.
PhreePhly
The reason I don't care as much for the live version of windows photo gallery is primarily do it the integration of SQL. I just don't want my say laptop running data base software, just like I don't index my hard drives. Now thats just me.. Parental control I have not seen in 7, betas had it completely stripped and I could have swore it was also a download from live now. With that said the download from live required my kids (or parent me) to create live accounts, my 6 year old does not need a live account (sorry Haley).
Dreamscene there are some other apps that do the same thing but it was kinda cool to run on holidays like a snowy scene for Christmas. It's definitely one of those things that in no way helps me get my work done, but I like it and thats what set Ultimate aside from Premium (or at least one of the things RDC). Do i run it every second of everyday? No way..
Please read my post slowly and comely because thats how its meant to come off, I'm not arguing. I'm a Vista user of course I like 7 IT's GREAT I'm trying to discuss cost and at this point cost is purely speculation. I'm just discussing some features that make me scratch my head wondering... why would I upgrade or is it really an upgrade from Vista?
I came to this forum from another because I got tired of the Vista haters, I love Vista and 7. XP sucks though.
Dreamscene there are some other apps that do the same thing but it was kinda cool to run on holidays like a snowy scene for Christmas. It's definitely one of those things that in no way helps me get my work done, but I like it and thats what set Ultimate aside from Premium (or at least one of the things RDC). Do i run it every second of everyday? No way..
Please read my post slowly and comely because thats how its meant to come off, I'm not arguing. I'm a Vista user of course I like 7 IT's GREAT I'm trying to discuss cost and at this point cost is purely speculation. I'm just discussing some features that make me scratch my head wondering... why would I upgrade or is it really an upgrade from Vista?
I came to this forum from another because I got tired of the Vista haters, I love Vista and 7. XP sucks though.
We we're all agreed then, you're all gonna chip in and get me a couple of licenses for win7 whatever the price?
Pricing is to be revealed mid-June.
Microsoft set to reveal Windows 7 pricing mid-June • The Register
Microsoft set to reveal Windows 7 pricing mid-June • The Register
I think we should try and stay on topic you guys are hijacking this post. Anyway I will say XP has a bigger install base because mmmm its been out for ever maybe?
I just would like to see MS offer some sort of family pack license especially since 7 can be installed on a larger number of computers. I say that because it has lower system requirements and performs better than vista on older hardware.
5 license home use - $299.99
I just would like to see MS offer some sort of family pack license especially since 7 can be installed on a larger number of computers. I say that because it has lower system requirements and performs better than vista on older hardware.
5 license home use - $299.99
I think that it should have the same prices as Vista.
Or... (Prices in USD)
Starter at $50
Home Basic $75
Home Premium $125
Business/Professional $150
Ultimate at $175
As stated by someone else before, in this economy, nobody is going to buy it at the "official" price.
Or... (Prices in USD)
Starter at $50
Home Basic $75
Home Premium $125
Business/Professional $150
Ultimate at $175
As stated by someone else before, in this economy, nobody is going to buy it at the "official" price.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by zone23 I think we should try and stay on topic you guys are hijacking this post. Anyway I will say XP has a bigger install base because mmmm its been out for ever maybe?
I just would like to see MS offer some sort of family pack license especially since 7 can be installed on a larger number of computers. I say that because it has lower system requirements and performs better than vista on older hardware.
5 license home use - $299.99
I just would like to see MS offer some sort of family pack license especially since 7 can be installed on a larger number of computers. I say that because it has lower system requirements and performs better than vista on older hardware.
5 license home use - $299.99
I think a 5-pack is a bit much, I would guess a typical house hold has 3 PC's at most.
3-pack Home Premium for $250, Ultimate for $350.
PhreePhly
I see a sweet business opportunity for them!
100-licenses Business/Pro = USD$3,000
Unlimited-licenses Business/Pro = USD$9,000
/Prices are steep, but worth it in the end.
//Used my phone's calculator instead of the computer
///Found out that when the BlackBerry Bold is on vibrate, the delete button in the calculator is the only thing that makes noise. How stupid! (Love the Bold, by the way)
100-licenses Business/Pro = USD$3,000
Unlimited-licenses Business/Pro = USD$9,000
/Prices are steep, but worth it in the end.
//Used my phone's calculator instead of the computer
///Found out that when the BlackBerry Bold is on vibrate, the delete button in the calculator is the only thing that makes noise. How stupid! (Love the Bold, by the way)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny I see a sweet business opportunity for them!
100-licenses Business/Pro = USD$3,000
Unlimited-licenses Business/Pro = USD$9,000
/Prices are steep, but worth it in the end.
//Used my phone's calculator instead of the computer
///Found out that when the BlackBerry Bold is on vibrate, the delete button in the calculator is the only thing that makes noise. How stupid! (Love the Bold, by the way)
100-licenses Business/Pro = USD$3,000
Unlimited-licenses Business/Pro = USD$9,000
/Prices are steep, but worth it in the end.
//Used my phone's calculator instead of the computer
///Found out that when the BlackBerry Bold is on vibrate, the delete button in the calculator is the only thing that makes noise. How stupid! (Love the Bold, by the way)
MS takes care of the enterprise, that's their bread and butter.
PhreePhly
�� Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly Actually, enterprises have some awesome opertunities. I've read that 10,000 seat enterprises can get licenses for Office and Windows that are about $27/seat. Not bad.
MS takes care of the enterprise, that's their bread and butter.
PhreePhly
MS takes care of the enterprise, that's their bread and butter.
PhreePhly
As for Office, they are definitely more than considerate with Enterprise. It has everything you need and more. I downloaded a version of Office called Blue Edition once, and it has Vundo.Gen in it (it forced me to delete all of my work and reinstall Windows). So if you're looking for Office Enterprise and come across Blue Edition, don't download it
. Just thought I'd toss that out there. I think MAC is pretty lame I've worked on a few and for what I do on a computer it would never work. 5 for $299 I agree was a little rich but would be a great price especially after what XP users say about Vista. I think I should get some return for dealing with them all the time lol. Oh ya and always fixing there PCs.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny As stated by someone else before, in this economy, nobody is going to buy it at the "official" price.
. Official Prices are entirely tooooooooooooooo high.
I might buy from a nice Chineese site for:
That sounds about right... If not that then I'll just have to go
I might buy from a nice Chineese site for:
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2009-4-20 Source: Sina Technology Windows 7 prices will be 399 yuan and 499 yuan. This converts to 49.96 USD 62.48 USD
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mSeliga Thats something I never thought about Night Hawk, with MS all up in arms over 64bit computing, will they sell 64bit versions and 32 bit versions on the same disc, or will they make it easier to get a 64 bit version. I was never able to find 64 bit when Vista came out, not at any retail store anyway.
One thing I'm glad happened in some ways was missing out on the Ultimate edition of Vista when buying the 32bit Home Premium oem. The way 7 is now in comparison I won't hesitate to go for the retail 7 once out! I think MS finally got busy with this seeing little or no problems here!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by TechOutsider Excellent point. I have never brought directly from MS. All of my operating systems came preinstalled on my computer with a "reinstall" disc .
.�� Quote: Originally Posted by ikilledkenny Yeah! Cheers to Preinstalled OEM stuff!
One of my computers, a Toshiba, came with a custom 2 DVD Windows Vista reinstallation disc.
My computer came with a 3-CD Vista Home Premium recovery disk. It came with NTI CD Burner and a Movie Making Program, along with the Acer Arcade Media Center Plugin. Let's not forget Norton 360 90-day trial.
Overall, Acer was pretty good about the crap they put on my computer.
Overall, Acer was pretty good about the crap they put on my computer.
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