Hey gang,
I've dealt with IGPs for a long time and never gamed much on the PC because of it. To this day I don't have much desire to do so. The only game I really play is World of Warcraft and I might play Half-Life 2 or whatnot.
I'm looking for recommendations on a graphics card that can put out enough to max out (or come close) WoW on a 20" LCD @1600x900.
Ideas?
Thanks!
I've dealt with IGPs for a long time and never gamed much on the PC because of it. To this day I don't have much desire to do so. The only game I really play is World of Warcraft and I might play Half-Life 2 or whatnot.
I'm looking for recommendations on a graphics card that can put out enough to max out (or come close) WoW on a 20" LCD @1600x900.
Ideas?
Thanks!
What is your budget?
That is a laptop according to Google.
Best I can find on the Sony web site it is an Intel on board graphics card and not replaceable.
There is no secondary grahics card listed or a driver for a secondary card.
It appears what you have is all there is.
If the graphics card is for a desktop not in your system specs how about some info on the desktop.
Mike
Best I can find on the Sony web site it is an Intel on board graphics card and not replaceable.
There is no secondary grahics card listed or a driver for a secondary card.
It appears what you have is all there is.
If the graphics card is for a desktop not in your system specs how about some info on the desktop.
Mike
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X 
That is a laptop according to Google.
Best I can find on the Sony web site it is an Intel on board graphics card and not replaceable.
There is no secondary grahics card listed or a driver for a secondary card.
It appears what you have is all there is.
If the graphics card is for a desktop not in your system specs how about some info on the desktop.
Mike
Best I can find on the Sony web site it is an Intel on board graphics card and not replaceable.
There is no secondary grahics card listed or a driver for a secondary card.
It appears what you have is all there is.
If the graphics card is for a desktop not in your system specs how about some info on the desktop.
Mike
I'd like to keep it under $150. If I have to sacrifice some quality, I'll survive. I was looking at this one Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GV-R567OC-1GI Rev2.0 Radeon HD 5670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card to get me started. Basically my laptop is dying and I need to build SOMETHING up to catch it when it fails. I can't have any downtime. Building one will allow me to upgrade down the road (something i couldn't do with my laptop besides the RAM and HDD).
I also ran across this one. Newegg.com - PowerColor AX5770 1GBD5-H Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card
Converse!
I'm a fan of Nvidia - I use the Nvidia GeForce GTS250 1GB RAM (more than a year old) and play BFBC2 at maximum graphics quality at 1900x1080.
Newegg.com - Computer Hardware,Video Cards & Video Devices,Desktop Graphics / Video Cards,NVIDIA,GeForce GTS 400 series
GTS 450 runs $120-140 at Newegg. Supports PhysX
I'm using a Asus 460 the next step up. They get closer to $200.
GTS 450 runs $120-140 at Newegg. Supports PhysX
I'm using a Asus 460 the next step up. They get closer to $200.
@ jelyman
My vote goes PowerColor HD 5770 for $120, not only is it faster than the GTS 450 in 90% of games but it also requires less power.
Second would be GTS 450 if you find it for $120 or less. IMO PhysX is useless on a GTS 450 because it does not have enough juice to run both high settings + PhysX, you're better off going for pure power and high settings on the HD 5770. However, the GTS 450 has CuDA for applications and hardware accelerated DivX, Xvid and MPEG-4 which makes it worth $120 if you want these features and don't mind less performance in games. NVIDIA also has 3D which would cost you $200 for the glasses and a new 120hz 3D monitor.
In contrary the HD 5770 has Stream for videos and hardware accelerated MPEG2, H.264 and VC-1. AMD also has hardware accelerated video conversion built into the drivers and Eye of Infinity which is useless on a HD 5770 anyway like PhysX on a GTS 450. On top of all that the HD 5770 has a display-port output which is the future replacement for DVI.
Edit: Only a very small number of games support PhysX and with a GTS 450 @ 1600 x 900 you're not going to get 60 FPS max settings in these games and WoW is not one of them.
My vote goes PowerColor HD 5770 for $120, not only is it faster than the GTS 450 in 90% of games but it also requires less power.
Second would be GTS 450 if you find it for $120 or less. IMO PhysX is useless on a GTS 450 because it does not have enough juice to run both high settings + PhysX, you're better off going for pure power and high settings on the HD 5770. However, the GTS 450 has CuDA for applications and hardware accelerated DivX, Xvid and MPEG-4 which makes it worth $120 if you want these features and don't mind less performance in games. NVIDIA also has 3D which would cost you $200 for the glasses and a new 120hz 3D monitor.
In contrary the HD 5770 has Stream for videos and hardware accelerated MPEG2, H.264 and VC-1. AMD also has hardware accelerated video conversion built into the drivers and Eye of Infinity which is useless on a HD 5770 anyway like PhysX on a GTS 450. On top of all that the HD 5770 has a display-port output which is the future replacement for DVI.
Edit: Only a very small number of games support PhysX and with a GTS 450 @ 1600 x 900 you're not going to get 60 FPS max settings in these games and WoW is not one of them.
The 5670 is not a very good card. I had one and it struggled. I now have HIS IceQ 5 ATi 5770 and it is amazing for its price, comes pre overclocked at 875mhz core and 1250MHz memory.
gtx 260, ive been playing the latests games maxed out
�� Quote: Originally Posted by vierasniper gtx 260, ive been playing the latests games maxed out
To run a game maxed out 1600x900, I'd go at least GTX 470.
@ cybercore
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
@ vierasniper
GTX 260 is still a good card but requires way too much power 182W TDP, runs hot and loud and does not have newer features found on the HD 5770/GTS 450 eg. DX11. That's like telling me to go back in time and buy a 3Ghz Dual Core (90nm) as oppose to my 2.6Ghz Dual Core (45nm) because I can gain 2 FPS in WoW, when I can just easily overclock my my 2.6Ghz to 3Ghz, use less power consumption doing so and have the latest features (45nm, C1E and SSE3), just as an example purely not recommended.
Here's a nice comparison chart: WoW: Wrath of the Lich King - Benchmarks with Ati and Nvidia graphics cards - WoW, World of Warcraft, Lich King, Benchmark, Radeon, Geforce - PC Games Hardware but I do not like this site cause their benches seem off, last time I checked they told me I'd get 40 for some game I cannot remember but I ended with 60+ frames on my system with a slower CPU. It's just for reference to compare the cards.
Notes: HD 5770 = HD 4870, GTS 450 = 8800 GTX, and GTX 260 is the best of the 3 but requires way too much power [182W vs 108W (5770)] for a mere 2 frames. Please keep in mind the benchmarks are done with a Core-i7 @ 3.5Ghz, if you have slower CPU overclocking the HD 5770 to 900/1300 would more than make up for any frames lost due to your specific CPU and beat the GTX 260 in the process all while staying cooler, quieter and not sky rocketing your electro bill with extra bells and whistles (DX11).
Just my two pennies.
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
@ vierasniper
GTX 260 is still a good card but requires way too much power 182W TDP, runs hot and loud and does not have newer features found on the HD 5770/GTS 450 eg. DX11. That's like telling me to go back in time and buy a 3Ghz Dual Core (90nm) as oppose to my 2.6Ghz Dual Core (45nm) because I can gain 2 FPS in WoW, when I can just easily overclock my my 2.6Ghz to 3Ghz, use less power consumption doing so and have the latest features (45nm, C1E and SSE3), just as an example purely not recommended.
Here's a nice comparison chart: WoW: Wrath of the Lich King - Benchmarks with Ati and Nvidia graphics cards - WoW, World of Warcraft, Lich King, Benchmark, Radeon, Geforce - PC Games Hardware but I do not like this site cause their benches seem off, last time I checked they told me I'd get 40 for some game I cannot remember but I ended with 60+ frames on my system with a slower CPU. It's just for reference to compare the cards.
Notes: HD 5770 = HD 4870, GTS 450 = 8800 GTX, and GTX 260 is the best of the 3 but requires way too much power [182W vs 108W (5770)] for a mere 2 frames. Please keep in mind the benchmarks are done with a Core-i7 @ 3.5Ghz, if you have slower CPU overclocking the HD 5770 to 900/1300 would more than make up for any frames lost due to your specific CPU and beat the GTX 260 in the process all while staying cooler, quieter and not sky rocketing your electro bill with extra bells and whistles (DX11).
Just my two pennies.
Well after tallying votes (yes, I counted) it seems the majority in my price range is the 5770.
I'll probably end up getting a more powerful card/psu in the future. I just need something NOW and only have so much $ NOW. Believe me, I'd love to pick out the best of the best and run rampant all over the place, causing children to cry because my FPS is better than theirs. Or something like that.
If anyone else as opinions, I won't be buying for a couple weeks so keep at it.
I'll probably end up getting a more powerful card/psu in the future. I just need something NOW and only have so much $ NOW. Believe me, I'd love to pick out the best of the best and run rampant all over the place, causing children to cry because my FPS is better than theirs. Or something like that.
If anyone else as opinions, I won't be buying for a couple weeks so keep at it.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman Hey gang,
I've dealt with IGPs for a long time and never gamed much on the PC because of it. To this day I don't have much desire to do so. The only game I really play is World of Warcraft and I might play Half-Life 2 or whatnot.
I'm looking for recommendations on a graphics card that can put out enough to max out (or come close) WoW on a 20" LCD @1600x900.
Ideas?
Thanks!
I've dealt with IGPs for a long time and never gamed much on the PC because of it. To this day I don't have much desire to do so. The only game I really play is World of Warcraft and I might play Half-Life 2 or whatnot.
I'm looking for recommendations on a graphics card that can put out enough to max out (or come close) WoW on a 20" LCD @1600x900.
Ideas?
Thanks!
- Radeon HD 5770
NVIDIA:
- GeForce GTS 450 or a GeForce GTX 460 (if you can stretch your budget to ~$170).
If you get the ATi 5770 I recommend the HIS one, it is pre-overclocked from 850mhz to 875mhz core and has overclocked memory to 5ghz (effective)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Fluffy If you get the ATi 5770 I recommend the HIS one, it is pre-overclocked from 850mhz to 875mhz core and has overclocked memory to 5ghz (effective)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by Fluffy If you get the ATi 5770 I recommend the HIS one, it is pre-overclocked from 850mhz to 875mhz core and has overclocked memory to 5ghz (effective)
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Fluffy �� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by Fluffy If you get the ATi 5770 I recommend the HIS one, it is pre-overclocked from 850mhz to 875mhz core and has overclocked memory to 5ghz (effective)
I'll be sure to post up pics when it's all said and done!
New Egg has a 5830 at $170 rebate puts it under budget....(I hate rebates)
HD 5830 for $170 is not a good deal. You can get a GTX 460 for that price which is better IMO.
@ Fluffy
I run my XFX HD 5770 @ 1Ghz Core and 5.2Ghz Memory Effective. My highest achieved was 1.05Ghz Core and 5.4Ghz Memory Effective. Keep in mind though I have a Thermalright HR-03 Rev. A Cooler mounted with 120mm quiet fan blowing on it and memory ramsinks. But it's about to be sold and replaced with a MSI GTX 460 HAWK.
@ jelyman
If you're interested I still have my XFX HD 5770 for grabs, like I said it comes with: Thermalright HR-03 Rev. A Cooler with Ramsinks (properly mounted with Arctic Cooling MX-3 Thermal Paste) : http://media.photobucket.com/image/h..._HR_03RevA.jpg
Scythe 120mm Quiet PWM Fan (taken from Mugen 2) - Auto speed PWM and can be manually controlled via Catalyst Control Center (65 degrees Furmark, 20 dBa Silent)
My card is pre-overclocked @ 1Ghz Core and 1300Mhz/5.2Ghz Memory Effective via BIOS (no software needed, always stays). And can be further overclocked with OverDrive via Catalyst Control Center (1050 Core Max and 1350 Memory Max Values, capped by me via BIOS). I've had the card for 6 months and still have box, manuals, original cooler and the original BIOS backup (Lifetime Warranty with XFX not been registered).
Let me now via PM if you're interested,
@ Fluffy
I run my XFX HD 5770 @ 1Ghz Core and 5.2Ghz Memory Effective. My highest achieved was 1.05Ghz Core and 5.4Ghz Memory Effective. Keep in mind though I have a Thermalright HR-03 Rev. A Cooler mounted with 120mm quiet fan blowing on it and memory ramsinks. But it's about to be sold and replaced with a MSI GTX 460 HAWK.
@ jelyman
If you're interested I still have my XFX HD 5770 for grabs, like I said it comes with: Thermalright HR-03 Rev. A Cooler with Ramsinks (properly mounted with Arctic Cooling MX-3 Thermal Paste) : http://media.photobucket.com/image/h..._HR_03RevA.jpg
Scythe 120mm Quiet PWM Fan (taken from Mugen 2) - Auto speed PWM and can be manually controlled via Catalyst Control Center (65 degrees Furmark, 20 dBa Silent)
My card is pre-overclocked @ 1Ghz Core and 1300Mhz/5.2Ghz Memory Effective via BIOS (no software needed, always stays). And can be further overclocked with OverDrive via Catalyst Control Center (1050 Core Max and 1350 Memory Max Values, capped by me via BIOS). I've had the card for 6 months and still have box, manuals, original cooler and the original BIOS backup (Lifetime Warranty with XFX not been registered).
Let me now via PM if you're interested,
[QUOTE=Nemix77;1131101]@ cybercore
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
$139.99 after rebate.......otherwise I would have mentioned the 5850 for $170
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
$139.99 after rebate.......otherwise I would have mentioned the 5850 for $170
[QUOTE=Ivan the SoSo;1135421] �� Quote: Originally Posted by Nemix77
You should have should stated with dollars (very hard to pick-out rebate from reading, don't go to the store much do you), besides you even said so yourself you hate rebates and some are very problematic.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Nemix77 @ cybercore
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
$139.99 after rebate.......otherwise I would have mentioned the 5850 for $170
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
$139.99 after rebate.......otherwise I would have mentioned the 5850 for $170
You should have should stated with dollars (very hard to pick-out rebate from reading, don't go to the store much do you), besides you even said so yourself you hate rebates and some are very problematic.
[QUOTE=Nemix77;1135466] �� Quote: Originally Posted by Ivan the SoSo �� Quote: Originally Posted by Nemix77
You should have should stated with dollars (very hard to pick-out rebate from reading, don't go to the store much do you), besides you even said so yourself you hate rebates and some are very problematic.
The big problem? is you can always go...if I spend $20 more I can get this...ooh look that is only $30 more ect ect. A GTX 460, a 5830, a 5770, a 5850, a GTX 465, for the most part if someone swapped them out in your computer would you notice?
Last card I got was two weeks of torture...(wife won't let me get another card for a long time)...finally got a 4890 last years flagship (at the time)....now I'm like...dang I could have got a 5850!!!
Now XFX has a double lifetime warranty (if you register on their website in so many days). I've read lots of reviews where someones 8800 died and was replaced with a better card...but some got a refurbished 8800...luck of the draw....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Ivan the SoSo �� Quote: Originally Posted by Nemix77 @ cybercore
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
$139.99 after rebate.......otherwise I would have mentioned the 5850 for $170
The OP does not want to spend for than $150 so a GTX 470 is not an option, please read before you post.
$139.99 after rebate.......otherwise I would have mentioned the 5850 for $170
You should have should stated with dollars (very hard to pick-out rebate from reading, don't go to the store much do you), besides you even said so yourself you hate rebates and some are very problematic.
Last card I got was two weeks of torture...(wife won't let me get another card for a long time)...finally got a 4890 last years flagship (at the time)....now I'm like...dang I could have got a 5850!!!
Now XFX has a double lifetime warranty (if you register on their website in so many days). I've read lots of reviews where someones 8800 died and was replaced with a better card...but some got a refurbished 8800...luck of the draw....
i still say you get the gtx260
�� Quote: Originally Posted by vierasniper i still say you get the gtx260
their performance is about the same, plus hes trying to max out WOW. that games is not gonna take advantage of DX11 so why bother?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by vierasniper their performance is about the same, plus hes trying to max out WOW. that games is not gonna take advantage of DX11 so why bother?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by vierasniper their performance is about the same, plus hes trying to max out WOW. that games is not gonna take advantage of DX11 so why bother?
my card might be two generations back, but it blows all current games out of the water. no complaints here
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Ivan the SoSo �� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by vierasniper their performance is about the same, plus hes trying to max out WOW. that games is not gonna take advantage of DX11 so why bother?
Hey guys I just wanted to give you all a heads up on the status of my purchase.
I will be getting one from Amazon as I traded some old text books into them ($120 worth) and encountered some additional expenses in another department of my fascinating life.
I'm still getting the HIS card: Amazon.com: HIS Radeon HD 5770 1 GB GDDR5 Eyefinity DisplayPort HDMI 2x DL-DVI (HDCP) PCI Express 2.1 X16 Video Card Retail (RoHS) H577FK1GD: Electronics
I figure at $129 (costing me all of $15 after tax plus a -$20 rebate, life will be great AND i'll have a few buck left over IF the rebate process actually works).
I will be getting one from Amazon as I traded some old text books into them ($120 worth) and encountered some additional expenses in another department of my fascinating life.
I'm still getting the HIS card: Amazon.com: HIS Radeon HD 5770 1 GB GDDR5 Eyefinity DisplayPort HDMI 2x DL-DVI (HDCP) PCI Express 2.1 X16 Video Card Retail (RoHS) H577FK1GD: Electronics
I figure at $129 (costing me all of $15 after tax plus a -$20 rebate, life will be great AND i'll have a few buck left over IF the rebate process actually works).
glad you could come to a decision, good luck with the rebate and i hope you enjoy your card 
Hey I was reading this. I like this card. I am maybe going to be a copy cat. Will this card work with my computer. I have tried to figure out as much as I can about it. But not absolutely sure. I know I would have to upgrade my PSU first. But will it fit if I did decide to get it?
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Hey I was reading this. I like this card. I am maybe going to be a copy cat. Will this card work with my computer. I have tried to figure out as much as I can about it. But not absolutely sure. I know I would have to upgrade my PSU first. But will it fit if I did decide to get it?
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
I've found that if the card is under 9.26 inches in length (the width of an ATX board from I/O panel to front of case) it'll fit in a mid-tower.
My case is the Antec 200 and it has a smidgen more room than the HP Pavilion cases do so make sure to measure. Your HP has a uATX (micro ATX) like mine. I don't think it'll be a problem for you.
And yes, the PSU will /faceroll for sure. I'm packing 650W right now and I'm towards the bottom end. If i get any more hard drives or RAM, I'm getting a bigger supply (at least 700w). Use a PSU Calculator like the one below to calculate your needs. Take that # and multiply it by 1.2 and there's a good PSU to look at (or the next wattage up).
The HIS 5770 requires only 1 six-pin connector and is dual width. If you have a PCI card in the slot immediately below your PCI-E slot, I suggest moving it down if you can to help circulate the air around the card better.
Good Luck!
PS: I should be getting the card on or around the 28th so I'll report in when the card arrives (going to try and 2-day or overnight it as I'm hella anxious)
(I might even take photos!)
Yes I would love to hear more. I was looking at them in Bestbuy today. The 5870 in best buy was 150 minimum
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Yes I would love to hear more. I was looking at them in Bestbuy today. The 5870 in best buy was 150 minimum
I'll keep y'all updated.
And here's an update!
UPDATE: I've decided to go with the HIS 6850 instead of the 5770. I came across a smidgen more of money this holiday season :P I'll have to live with 3-5 day shipping but from Amazon it's $179 and I can live with that.
This is actually what I am going to be looking to get. I like it plus the price seems to be very good for the product. I wouldn't mind hearing anything anyone has to say about this including you. So if you did manage to look at this one. What do you think about it? Another thing. When I click on Some High quality videos they do not load very good. If at all. They do not even work I should say. I was using them a week or 2 ago and they were working just fine. I do not know why they just stopped working. Well What it is is they are not loading fast at all. So they do not work at all. I mean those DIVx videos will not even finish buffering to play more than 1 or 2 seconds of video. When before they were loading as soon as I hit play and working fine. Would a video card make a difference in this? Or is it all my internet. Just seems funny that all of the sudden they stopped working. I did turn my graphic quality up. But I also tried it all the way down no difference.
Sounds more like your Internet, to me If they won't load up more than a couple seconds.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Hey I was reading this. I like this card. I am maybe going to be a copy cat. Will this card work with my computer. I have tried to figure out as much as I can about it. But not absolutely sure. I know I would have to upgrade my PSU first. But will it fit if I did decide to get it?
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
Possibly like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-501-_-Product
Fabe
�� Quote: Originally Posted by thefabe �� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Hey I was reading this. I like this card. I am maybe going to be a copy cat. Will this card work with my computer. I have tried to figure out as much as I can about it. But not absolutely sure. I know I would have to upgrade my PSU first. But will it fit if I did decide to get it?
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
My Computer - Pavilion p6554y
Possibly like this one Newegg.com - XFX HD-577X-ZMF3 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
Fabe
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GV-R567OC-1GI Rev2.0 Radeon HD 5670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
I was also looking at this one.
Amazon.com: XFX Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PCIE Graphics Card HD577AZNFC: Electronics
But also I have read that my Pavilion p6654y has pretty good amount of room to work with. But I would like more info on if this would fit or not. Because it is a pretty good sized card. Please let me know if you think this would fit. Just look up a review of the p6654y it tells a lot about being able to upgrade it. I do know that before anything else. I will need to get a new PSU. But please the more input the better. Also I still want my card to have a VGA input on it. Unless it does not really matter. Because my computer has a built in video with VGA.
Also if I were to get a PSU with the exact amount of power the card says it needs. Will that run my whole computer just fine. Or will that just be enough for the card only?
Thanks all for everything.You guys are a really big help. Do not think I forget about rep when I am helped and my problem is completely solved.
If you're wondering whether it'll fit, open up your case and look. Take the dimensions of the card you're interested in (most important dimension is the longest one. Some list it as length, some as height) and measure. Will an X inch card fit from the back of my case to the front? If you have a drive rack or set of bays in the front of your case (like mine, all the way down the front), then measure just to that. I think with your pavilion you just have a small 2-drive cage about mid-way up the front of the case so depending on where the PCI-E slot is located on your board, you should be able to fit anything from the 56 or 57 series just fine. The 6850 I'm getting is the same size as the 5770.
A one-slot-wide card would be most ideal in your situation IF you have other PCI cards already occupying space. That 5770 was originally you listed was my original choice but I'd go with the HIS version. It's clocked a little bit higher from the start by the manufactuer and it's cheaper. Newegg.com - HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
^^ That's if you reeeeeally want a 2-slot card. the 1-slot that was suggested to you previously will work great as well. It just comes down to the size of the cooling apparatus. The 2-slot will vent out the back mostly, keeping your innards cooler. The 1-slot will blow every which way and probably warm up any components near it under full load.
If you search for "low-profile" specifically, you'll probably find half-height cards. These are more used for slim pcs or media center PCs and have just passive cooling (no fan). Don't consider those if you want to game decently.
And yes, a new PSU is indeed in your future no matter what. Without looking I'd say you have no more than 250 watts and it's probably already at 60% capacity if not higher. At least 650 watts as a good mid point if you want a 56 or 57 or even a 58 series Radeon card. 650 is on the lower end for the 6x series.
When PSU wattages are given in the specs, it's stating the total effective output amount. They are estimating based on hardware that card will most likely go with. I would add some on top of what they recommend. If it says 450, go 600. 500 go 650. Give yourself some room to grow. No sense in replacing a perfectly good power supply every time you add or upgrade a piece of hardware in your machine.
In regards to VGA, most discrete cards come with ONE DVI-VGA adapter if you can't do DVI. If your monitor supports it, however, you'll notice a difference if you use a DVI cable. They run cheap. I'm picking mine up from Amazon for like $8.
A one-slot-wide card would be most ideal in your situation IF you have other PCI cards already occupying space. That 5770 was originally you listed was my original choice but I'd go with the HIS version. It's clocked a little bit higher from the start by the manufactuer and it's cheaper. Newegg.com - HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
^^ That's if you reeeeeally want a 2-slot card. the 1-slot that was suggested to you previously will work great as well. It just comes down to the size of the cooling apparatus. The 2-slot will vent out the back mostly, keeping your innards cooler. The 1-slot will blow every which way and probably warm up any components near it under full load.
If you search for "low-profile" specifically, you'll probably find half-height cards. These are more used for slim pcs or media center PCs and have just passive cooling (no fan). Don't consider those if you want to game decently.
And yes, a new PSU is indeed in your future no matter what. Without looking I'd say you have no more than 250 watts and it's probably already at 60% capacity if not higher. At least 650 watts as a good mid point if you want a 56 or 57 or even a 58 series Radeon card. 650 is on the lower end for the 6x series.
When PSU wattages are given in the specs, it's stating the total effective output amount. They are estimating based on hardware that card will most likely go with. I would add some on top of what they recommend. If it says 450, go 600. 500 go 650. Give yourself some room to grow. No sense in replacing a perfectly good power supply every time you add or upgrade a piece of hardware in your machine.
In regards to VGA, most discrete cards come with ONE DVI-VGA adapter if you can't do DVI. If your monitor supports it, however, you'll notice a difference if you use a DVI cable. They run cheap. I'm picking mine up from Amazon for like $8.
Thank you very much. The only other thing I plan on upgrading in this computer other than my graphics card is my RAM. Oter tan that. I plan on my computer staying about the same way it is. I think it is a pretty good computer other than my graphics card. My WEI 7.2 for my processor. 5.9 for my RAM. And 5.9 for my rad drive. But my graphics stuff is 4.3 and 5.3. I just want to try and get them both close to at least like a 5.9. To me that would make me feel like I have a pretty decent computer. my graphics card ow is a ATI HD 4200. It is integrated into my mother board also. So I figure (Not sure how good my figuring is) That getting about either a 56, 57, Or maybe even a 58 graphics would put my really close to that rating I am hoping for anyway. I think tat with a computer with a minimum rating of 5.9 or higher would say I ave a decent computer for playing about any X_Box games I want on the computer. I at least would hope so.
Please tell me if this assumption could be right. And if so. What card would you recommend for me to get to a 5.9 minimum for my graphics and my gaming graphics in my WEI.
Please tell me if this assumption could be right. And if so. What card would you recommend for me to get to a 5.9 minimum for my graphics and my gaming graphics in my WEI.
Also I am pretty sure my computer is a brand new computer. So I have been told and am not really to worried my self. That my computer will most likely work with the card I am going to get. But if you think tat there is any thing I should really watc out for when getting a new card please tell me. I have looked up most of the requirements for most of the cards. I know I have the 16X. But wat do I need to look for when it says this.
PCI Express 2.1 x16 How do I know if my PCIe is a 2.1?
PCI Express 2.1 x16 How do I know if my PCIe is a 2.1?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Also I am pretty sure my computer is a brand new computer. So I have been told and am not really to worried my self. That my computer will most likely work with the card I am going to get. But if you think tat there is any thing I should really watc out for when getting a new card please tell me. I have looked up most of the requirements for most of the cards. I know I have the 16X. But wat do I need to look for when it says this.
PCI Express 2.1 x16 How do I know if my PCIe is a 2.1?
PCI Express 2.1 x16 How do I know if my PCIe is a 2.1?
What's your budget?
It's hard to make a solid "this is the card you want" because we all have different tastes. Some people would prefer an nVidia card over a Radeon card. Some people want just a single-slot card (PowerColor 5770). Some people want a long-bard 2-slot card (HIS 6870) and some want what's in between because they have a smaller case (HIS 6850)
If you have more questions, we'll be glad to help.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Also I am pretty sure my computer is a brand new computer. So I have been told and am not really to worried my self. That my computer will most likely work with the card I am going to get. But if you think tat there is any thing I should really watc out for when getting a new card please tell me. I have looked up most of the requirements for most of the cards. I know I have the 16X. But wat do I need to look for when it says this.
PCI Express 2.1 x16 How do I know if my PCIe is a 2.1?
PCI Express 2.1 x16 How do I know if my PCIe is a 2.1?
What's your budget?
It's hard to make a solid "this is the card you want" because we all have different tastes. Some people would prefer an nVidia card over a Radeon card. Some people want just a single-slot card (PowerColor 5770). Some people want a long-bard 2-slot card (HIS 6870) and some want what's in between because they have a smaller case (HIS 6850)
If you have more questions, we'll be glad to help.
I was wanting a ATi not a nividia. mostly because I know just a tad bit more about them. And my machine has one already also. So That also means I already have all the CCC stuff up to date.But today at best buy I was told I would be getting more for my money with a Nividia 450 I believe it was. He said it was just as good as the 5770. But I could spend about $150 max. Would really like to spend less. But I would really like to spend that much also. LOL. I mostly want a WEI of at least 6.0 out of my card. The ATI 5770 I was looking at at Bestbuy today has a rating of 7.3 for $150. I think I am going to get that one. With a 600 watt power supply. I do not plan on getting it very soon anyway. So I have plenty of time to check up on things. Also I was told my machine will work with just about anything I want to get. That is compatible wise I mean. I am not completely sure about the size. I will take your worrd for it. I think you are about right with what you said anyway. Actually I think you are about exactly right.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento I was wanting a ATi not a nividia. mostly because I know just a tad bit more about them. And my machine has one already also. So That also means I already have all the CCC stuff up to date.But today at best buy I was told I would be getting more for my money with a Nividia 450 I believe it was. He said it was just as good as the 5770. But I could spend about $150 max. Would really like to spend less. But I would really like to spend that much also. LOL. I mostly want a WEI of at least 6.0 out of my card. The ATI 5770 I was looking at at Bestbuy today has a rating of 7.3 for $150. I think I am going to get that one. With a 600 watt power supply. I do not plan on getting it very soon anyway. So I have plenty of time to check up on things. Also I was told my machine will work with just about anything I want to get. That is compatible wise I mean. I am not completely sure about the size. I will take your worrd for it. I think you are about right with what you said anyway. Actually I think you are about exactly right.
And he may be right but I've found the folks at Best Buy to be pretty biased, too. Some listen to what the marketing reps tell them, some do their own research, but in retail especially, If you talk to one person, another will tell you differently.
Exactly why I am still on here talking and not buying.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Exactly why I am still on here talking and not buying.
(none of us have anything better to do, I know I don't)
Well that is great new for me and many others that you help dailey.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Fluffy If you get the ATi 5770 I recommend the HIS one, it is pre-overclocked from 850mhz to 875mhz core and has overclocked memory to 5ghz (effective)
but ........ not every rig will do the same just saying anyway that is a good card hands down i used to be all nvidia intel but with the hd 5000 series and up they will be on point in the near future and nvidia will probally start trying to model a few after them
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Thank you very much. The only other thing I plan on upgrading in this computer other than my graphics card is my RAM. Oter tan that. I plan on my computer staying about the same way it is. I think it is a pretty good computer other than my graphics card. My WEI 7.2 for my processor. 5.9 for my RAM. And 5.9 for my rad drive. But my graphics stuff is 4.3 and 5.3. I just want to try and get them both close to at least like a 5.9. To me that would make me feel like I have a pretty decent computer. my graphics card ow is a ATI HD 4200. It is integrated into my mother board also. So I figure (Not sure how good my figuring is) That getting about either a 56, 57, Or maybe even a 58 graphics would put my really close to that rating I am hoping for anyway. I think tat with a computer with a minimum rating of 5.9 or higher would say I ave a decent computer for playing about any X_Box games I want on the computer. I at least would hope so.
Please tell me if this assumption could be right. And if so. What card would you recommend for me to get to a 5.9 minimum for my graphics and my gaming graphics in my WEI.
Please tell me if this assumption could be right. And if so. What card would you recommend for me to get to a 5.9 minimum for my graphics and my gaming graphics in my WEI.
just make sure it will go the the computer and you should be fine
�� Quote: Originally Posted by andyandrewjim just make sure it will go the the computer and you should be fine
�� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by andyandrewjim just make sure it will go the the computer and you should be fine
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines �� Quote: Originally Posted by jelyman �� Quote: Originally Posted by andyandrewjim just make sure it will go the the computer and you should be fine
Yes When I bought my computer they tried to tell me I needed them to do all that crap they do to my computer. I told them not to touch it. I bought it the way it was. I did not let them put all that junk they do onto my computer. They were trying to charge me 100 dollars to burn my recovery disk. LOL.
But about the turning my computer into a pretty nice rig was thinking the same thing.My hard drive WEI rating is at 5.9 my processor WEI rating is at 7.2. My RAM is at 5.9 also. So I But my graphics is at 4.3. o I was thinking that if I got a graphics card to give me at least a 6.0 rating. I would have a computer with a 6.o minimum rating. Not bad for spending 570 dollars on my computer. With the PSU and the graphics card I would be in to a total of about 700. I am sure I might have been able to get a little better computer with that much. Especially if I built it. But I did not have 700 all at ounce either. So I will be satisfied ounce I get the graphics card. My next step after that will be to get the max RAM I can get into this thing. 16 GB's. I am not sure. But I as far as I am concerned that is a lot of RAM. I know I will almost never need that much. But I want it!. LOL.
I would like to hear what you guys opinions are about my rig if I did do the graphics card and the RAM. Do you think I would have a good enough computer to play any X-Box games on my computer instead of buying an X-Box? Also what are your Opinions overall about my computer after doing those things to it?
But about the turning my computer into a pretty nice rig was thinking the same thing.My hard drive WEI rating is at 5.9 my processor WEI rating is at 7.2. My RAM is at 5.9 also. So I But my graphics is at 4.3. o I was thinking that if I got a graphics card to give me at least a 6.0 rating. I would have a computer with a 6.o minimum rating. Not bad for spending 570 dollars on my computer. With the PSU and the graphics card I would be in to a total of about 700. I am sure I might have been able to get a little better computer with that much. Especially if I built it. But I did not have 700 all at ounce either. So I will be satisfied ounce I get the graphics card. My next step after that will be to get the max RAM I can get into this thing. 16 GB's. I am not sure. But I as far as I am concerned that is a lot of RAM. I know I will almost never need that much. But I want it!. LOL.
I would like to hear what you guys opinions are about my rig if I did do the graphics card and the RAM. Do you think I would have a good enough computer to play any X-Box games on my computer instead of buying an X-Box? Also what are your Opinions overall about my computer after doing those things to it?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Yes When I bought my computer they tried to tell me I needed them to do all that crap they do to my computer. I told them not to touch it. I bought it the way it was. I did not let them put all that junk they do onto my computer. They were trying to charge me 100 dollars to burn my recovery disk. LOL.
But about the turning my computer into a pretty nice rig was thinking the same thing.My hard drive WEI rating is at 5.9 my processor WEI rating is at 7.2. My RAM is at 5.9 also. So I But my graphics is at 4.3. o I was thinking that if I got a graphics card to give me at least a 6.0 rating. I would have a computer with a 6.o minimum rating. Not bad for spending 570 dollars on my computer. With the PSU and the graphics card I would be in to a total of about 700. I am sure I might have been able to get a little better computer with that much. Especially if I built it. But I did not have 700 all at ounce either. So I will be satisfied ounce I get the graphics card. My next step after that will be to get the max RAM I can get into this thing. 16 GB's. I am not sure. But I as far as I am concerned that is a lot of RAM. I know I will almost never need that much. But I want it!. LOL.
I would like to hear what you guys opinions are about my rig if I did do the graphics card and the RAM. Do you think I would have a good enough computer to play any X-Box games on my computer instead of buying an X-Box? Also what are your Opinions overall about my computer after doing those things to it?
But about the turning my computer into a pretty nice rig was thinking the same thing.My hard drive WEI rating is at 5.9 my processor WEI rating is at 7.2. My RAM is at 5.9 also. So I But my graphics is at 4.3. o I was thinking that if I got a graphics card to give me at least a 6.0 rating. I would have a computer with a 6.o minimum rating. Not bad for spending 570 dollars on my computer. With the PSU and the graphics card I would be in to a total of about 700. I am sure I might have been able to get a little better computer with that much. Especially if I built it. But I did not have 700 all at ounce either. So I will be satisfied ounce I get the graphics card. My next step after that will be to get the max RAM I can get into this thing. 16 GB's. I am not sure. But I as far as I am concerned that is a lot of RAM. I know I will almost never need that much. But I want it!. LOL.
I would like to hear what you guys opinions are about my rig if I did do the graphics card and the RAM. Do you think I would have a good enough computer to play any X-Box games on my computer instead of buying an X-Box? Also what are your Opinions overall about my computer after doing those things to it?
Quote:
My RAM is at 5.9 also.
Now granted my CPU is overclocked to 3.3 GHz (which knowing HP you can't do) which will bring the ram score up a couple of points, but but not from 5.9 to 7.3. We have similar spec'ed systems,
Double check yours with Speccy,
Speccy - System Information - Free Download
and if it isn't running in dual channel, then open the case and see which of the slots it is in. Looking here is has 2 white and 2 black,
Motherboard Specifications, N-Alvorix-RS880-uATX (Alvorix) HP Pavilion p6654y Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)
the sticks should be in either the first white and first black, or both white for it to work in dual channel mode.
P.S. Please don't take this the wrong way but upgrading for the WEI score is a fools errand, if the computer is doing what you want and/or need it is a waste of time and money upgrading. Now if you're upgrading for better game performance or something, then it makes sense.
Also the only way you're going to get a score above 6 is to get a SSD. 3 or 4 hard drives in RAID 0 might make it past 6, but only by a few points at best.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Ivan the SoSo �� Quote: Originally Posted by Chiumiento Yes When I bought my computer they tried to tell me I needed them to do all that crap they do to my computer. I told them not to touch it. I bought it the way it was. I did not let them put all that junk they do onto my computer. They were trying to charge me 100 dollars to burn my recovery disk. LOL.
But about the turning my computer into a pretty nice rig was thinking the same thing.My hard drive WEI rating is at 5.9 my processor WEI rating is at 7.2. My RAM is at 5.9 also. So I But my graphics is at 4.3. o I was thinking that if I got a graphics card to give me at least a 6.0 rating. I would have a computer with a 6.o minimum rating. Not bad for spending 570 dollars on my computer. With the PSU and the graphics card I would be in to a total of about 700. I am sure I might have been able to get a little better computer with that much. Especially if I built it. But I did not have 700 all at ounce either. So I will be satisfied ounce I get the graphics card. My next step after that will be to get the max RAM I can get into this thing. 16 GB's. I am not sure. But I as far as I am concerned that is a lot of RAM. I know I will almost never need that much. But I want it!. LOL.
I would like to hear what you guys opinions are about my rig if I did do the graphics card and the RAM. Do you think I would have a good enough computer to play any X-Box games on my computer instead of buying an X-Box? Also what are your Opinions overall about my computer after doing those things to it?
But about the turning my computer into a pretty nice rig was thinking the same thing.My hard drive WEI rating is at 5.9 my processor WEI rating is at 7.2. My RAM is at 5.9 also. So I But my graphics is at 4.3. o I was thinking that if I got a graphics card to give me at least a 6.0 rating. I would have a computer with a 6.o minimum rating. Not bad for spending 570 dollars on my computer. With the PSU and the graphics card I would be in to a total of about 700. I am sure I might have been able to get a little better computer with that much. Especially if I built it. But I did not have 700 all at ounce either. So I will be satisfied ounce I get the graphics card. My next step after that will be to get the max RAM I can get into this thing. 16 GB's. I am not sure. But I as far as I am concerned that is a lot of RAM. I know I will almost never need that much. But I want it!. LOL.
I would like to hear what you guys opinions are about my rig if I did do the graphics card and the RAM. Do you think I would have a good enough computer to play any X-Box games on my computer instead of buying an X-Box? Also what are your Opinions overall about my computer after doing those things to it?
But yes after I do RAM. My next thing. If I did do anything would be a SSD. But that will be my last thing. I want to do my RAM after graphics. I do not know why. I just want to. ounce I do my RAM. I will have nothing left I can do to that part. So I will know for sure that that is the best. The other stuff will never be the best. Maybe for this computer it might get maxed out someday. But it won't be anytime soon. So I want to get my RAM out of the way. After I get my computer to a satisfactory rating for me.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by stormy13 Quote:
My RAM is at 5.9 also.
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Now granted my CPU is overclocked to 3.3 GHz (which knowing HP you can't do) which will bring the ram score up a couple of points, but but not from 5.9 to 7.3. We have similar spec'ed systems,
Attachment 127217
Double check yours with Speccy,
Speccy - System Information - Free Download
and if it isn't running in dual channel, then open the case and see which of the slots it is in. Looking here is has 2 white and 2 black,
Motherboard Specifications, N-Alvorix-RS880-uATX (Alvorix) HP Pavilion p6654y Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)
the sticks should be in either the first white and first black, or both white for it to work in dual channel mode.
P.S. Please don't take this the wrong way but upgrading for the WEI score is a fools errand, if the computer is doing what you want and/or need it is a waste of time and money upgrading. Now if you're upgrading for better game performance or something, then it makes sense.
Also the only way you're going to get a score above 6 is to get a SSD. 3 or 4 hard drives in RAID 0 might make it past 6, but only by a few points at best.
I have been inside my computer. I do know that both of them are right next to each other in the same color slots. But I am not sure what color ones. I am pretty sure they are in slots 3 & 4. Should I switch them to slots 1 & 2 you are saying. how do I know where exactly I should put them. Can you explain a little more how I would know where and why they should go.
Now I am liking this. I am learning something. I really am going to work on computers someday. I am getting my GED right now. Then I am going to school for computers. I plan on it anyway. I really wish I had friends like you guys t hang out with.
I know that doing it for that reason is not the best reason. But I do plan on playing X-Box on here instead of getting a whole new X-Box. So yes part of the reason would be to make sure I can do good gaming. No I have not tried the games yet. Because I have none. But I do want to make sure I have at least a good video card in my PC. The other main reasoning for it. Is so I can use multiple screens. So my girlfriends daughter can watch TV on one screen while I use the computer to do what I want on the other. So there is a couple reasons for it. But yes I do want to know that I have a half decent computer. Seeing that 4.3 really hurts me when I see that all the rest are at 5.9 or higher. Then there is my video card. 5.3 and 4.3. I hate that. I want more. Mostly for video games and multiple screens.
Slots 3 and 4 should work, but not always. If Speccy didn't show it grab this,
CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting
and on the Memory tab is should show single or dual channel. If it is in single and the ram is in slots 3-4, try it in slots 1-2 (slot 1 should be the one closest to the CPU). Then check again with CPUZ and if still not dual, try slots 1-3.
CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting
and on the Memory tab is should show single or dual channel. If it is in single and the ram is in slots 3-4, try it in slots 1-2 (slot 1 should be the one closest to the CPU). Then check again with CPUZ and if still not dual, try slots 1-3.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by stormy13 Slots 3 and 4 should work, but not always. If Speccy didn't show it grab this,
CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting
and on the Memory tab is should show single or dual channel. If it is in single and the ram is in slots 3-4, try it in slots 1-2 (slot 1 should be the one closest to the CPU). Then check again with CPUZ and if still not dual, try slots 1-3.
CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting
and on the Memory tab is should show single or dual channel. If it is in single and the ram is in slots 3-4, try it in slots 1-2 (slot 1 should be the one closest to the CPU). Then check again with CPUZ and if still not dual, try slots 1-3.
I have made my own thread for this convo. It is here. I figured we have been getting a little off topic so here is the link.
My computer questions
My computer questions
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