In the United States for the last few years, an epidemic of "Language Pollution" has gone wild. What I mean is when people talk, every other word is "you know". == An example, "I went work today, you know, and when I got there, you know.......". You see what I mean. I hear people on the radio talk this way all of the time and it just drives me crazy. I was just curious if this very bad habit has crept into the language of other countries.
over on this side of the pond is no different and what makes it worse is the kids picking it up
It's the same Down under
Yeah EN-US 
Add Canada to the list. Sometimes I can't even follow the conversation.
I think there isn't a country where more or less (like, you know) that is not a case.
that is not a case. It really surprises me that this has spread to all countries. I really only expected the US and Canada. Just think how the World will sound in 30 years. I can just picture diplomats with the "I mean, you know". Well the fortunate thing is that I won't be around to have to put up with it. 
I'm not happy that we use such words with almost no sense of there meaning or roots, but we all must learn to listen beyond the words for the intent and it is there we must make our determinations. I just think that we diminish ourself when we use any word too often and out of context. What drives me crazy is the made up political and economic phases that have permeated out society it makes understanding even legalize easy by comparison. Of course the reason for these new hybrid words is to throw us off track and to make things that in plain English or other languages that would be toxic and something to avoid suddenly re-phrased clean and desirable.
I feel like replying "no, I don't know - that's why I asked."
It is the norm in society, its what the world is accepting, like back in the 90's there was a lot less of the "Junk" on tv because society was not willing to accept it, now in today's world we get shows like "Jersey Shore" and other vulgar things.
C'mon...it's always been there. I can remember saying "Man" after every other word. "Wow man, we went to the movies man, and it was cool man". Years ago I was in line and the guy behind the counter was talking to his buddy while he worked. It was "Dude, did you see that show last night dude?" Dude, dude, dude. When I got to the counter I made a show of looking at his name tag. I said, "your name's not Dude?"
A Guy
A Guy
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C'mon...it's always been there. I can remember saying "Man" after every other word. "Wow man, we went to the movies man, and it was cool man". Years ago I was in line and the guy behind the counter was talking to his buddy while he worked. It was "Dude, did you see that show last night dude?" Dude, dude, dude. When I got to the counter I made a show of looking at his name tag. I said, "your name's not Dude?"
A Guy
A Guy
Language tends to evolve with the current minds, back in the 70's they used words like "rad" and "hip".
My first thought to what I thought you may have referred to is "text language", which is a true pollution to a weak mind.
Also in the attachment, notice the clothes and must I say, the hair.
My first thought to what I thought you may have referred to is "text language", which is a true pollution to a weak mind.
Also in the attachment, notice the clothes and must I say, the hair.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka Language tends to evolve with the current minds, back in the 70's they used words like "rad" and "hip".
My first thought to what I thought you may have referred to is "text language", which is a true pollution to a weak mind.
Also in the attachment, notice the clothes and must I say, the hair.
My first thought to what I thought you may have referred to is "text language", which is a true pollution to a weak mind.
Also in the attachment, notice the clothes and must I say, the hair.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by LittleMiss �� Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka Language tends to evolve with the current minds, back in the 70's they used words like "rad" and "hip".
My first thought to what I thought you may have referred to is "text language", which is a true pollution to a weak mind.
Also in the attachment, notice the clothes and must I say, the hair.
My first thought to what I thought you may have referred to is "text language", which is a true pollution to a weak mind.
Also in the attachment, notice the clothes and must I say, the hair.
Yea nah, well... you know over here, uhm... its like... you know what I mean, eh?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by xarden Yea nah, well... you know over here, uhm... its like... you know what I mean, eh?
Same goes to the saying of; "this one guy".
yea nah, well actually what I meant was like... you know. How ppl alwayz subst letterz nd numb3rz when its jus as easy nd bout the same effort 2 spell the whole word proply. Mostly in txts nd such. Jezz I h8 wen ppl do dat. you kno. Wat i h8 most iz wen ppl actualy pronounse "lol" wit a blank exprssn insted of tiltin head bak and gigglin off a "haha" lol. yea. you know.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by xarden yea nah, well actually what I meant was like... you know. How ppl alwayz subst letterz nd numb3rz when its jus as easy nd bout the same effort 2 spell the whole word proply. Mostly in txts nd such. Jezz I h8 wen ppl do dat. you kno. Wat i h8 most iz wen ppl actualy pronounse "lol" wit a blank exprssn insted of tiltin head bak and gigglin off a "haha" lol. yea. you know.
Also, imagine all of the green underlining due to sentence fragmentation.
Yea nah, thats basically the extent of what I have to put up with when communicating with some of the kids I have to deal with. Some adults too, actually...
More often than not, I have to text back asking them what they mean.
More often than not, I have to text back asking them what they mean.
the incomparable stephen fry making observations back in 2001:
the whole clips are great - but for the purposes of this thread you'll need to fast-forward the first clip to 8 minutes, and finish by watching the second clip...
the whole clips are great - but for the purposes of this thread you'll need to fast-forward the first clip to 8 minutes, and finish by watching the second clip...
What else could i say?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by spinifex What else could i say?
Well, you know!!!!
And let's not forget the mutated spelling used by many of the rappers....or should I say rapperz? Drives me completely batshiznit crazy!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by damiross I feel like replying "no, I don't know - that's why I asked."
damiross you are right on the mark!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by xarden yea nah, well actually what I meant was like... you know. How ppl alwayz subst letterz nd numb3rz when its jus as easy nd bout the same effort 2 spell the whole word proply. Mostly in txts nd such. Jezz I h8 wen ppl do dat. you kno. Wat i h8 most iz wen ppl actualy pronounse "lol" wit a blank exprssn insted of tiltin head bak and gigglin off a "haha" lol. yea. you know.
What is really scary is that spell check is evolving too.
See the attached snip from a previous post and you will notice that it did not pick any of the spelling errors where numbers have been inserted instead of letters.
See the attached snip from a previous post and you will notice that it did not pick any of the spelling errors where numbers have been inserted instead of letters.
Cant say I noticed that when writing it! �� Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere I'm not happy that we use such words with almost no sense of there meaning or roots, but we all must learn to listen beyond the words for the intent and it is there we must make our determinations. I just think that we diminish ourself when we use any word too often and out of context. What drives me crazy is the made up political and economic phases that have permeated out society it makes understanding even legalize easy by comparison. Of course the reason for these new hybrid words is to throw us off track and to make things that in plain English or other languages that would be toxic and something to avoid suddenly re-phrased clean and desirable.
The thing is cheese, it's when I look beyond the words that scares me the most. What I see is the new generation of children who are completely narcissistic, empty headed and don't give a s**t about being that way. We finally have a generation of adults today that realize what is being done to our planet and are trying to do something about it, which of course is a futile effort as long as the rich people who control the planet don't care. What will the generation coming up behind us care about other than themselves. Have you by any chance asked a teenager lately to do a math problem in their head? I know I'm getting heavy here (insert joke here) but is it possible that the next generation is the generation that leads to the next extinction of the human race?
...or watch the local news. Sentence fragmentation and slang have pervaded our media. What's more disturbing is that the people turning out this dreck are COLLEGE GRADUATES with degrees in Journalism, requiring 4 years of "English" classes! And, at least in the newspaper realm, stories are (supposedly) read and edited by people who are (supposedly) more experienced, and should know better!
I say, bring back the ruler across the knuckles every time someone screws it up. Clean up our educational system, and stop coddling the little ones that don't conform to basic rules in favor of individuality. I say, get editors and proofreaders that actually know English and stop letting these dolts ruin the language of Shakespeare and Whitman and Frost.
I say, bring back the ruler across the knuckles every time someone screws it up. Clean up our educational system, and stop coddling the little ones that don't conform to basic rules in favor of individuality. I say, get editors and proofreaders that actually know English and stop letting these dolts ruin the language of Shakespeare and Whitman and Frost.
Being from Belfast one thing I and a lot of people do is say "like" at the end of everything where it has no place. For example, "You know what I mean like" "Nah like" Aye like" "Dead on like" the list goes on. I generally think that the Northern Irish take on English might as well be a version of it's own like the US because some of it is just weird .
. I understand that every generation needs to mutate it's words to keep their parents from understanding. But once out in the real world this hybrid language is just gibberish. I'm guilty of it myself and I really should clean up my own act before going on any further. I type like I talk and I certainly don't speak the Queens English but I try to do my best in social situations and in business after all we are constantly being judged. Take the time someday as my father had me do and tape yourself as you speak to someone anytime any place then play it back. I was aghast at the number of times I said uh, or you know. These things drove my father nuts and I've been working on them ever since and it's not easy once you decide this is an approved way to speak. I'm just afraid one day soon we'll just speak in slang, abbreviations, twist of phrases, acronyms and text speak.
Signed, the Cheese.....wth???
Signed, the Cheese.....wth???
�� Quote: Originally Posted by kylehimself Being from Belfast one thing I and a lot of people do is say "like" at the end of everything where it has no place. For example, "You know what I mean like" "Nah like" Aye like" "Dead on like" the list goes on. I generally think that the Northern Irish take on English might as well be a version of it's own like the US because some of it is just weird .
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The current education system is inefficient. About twenty two years spent "learning", and we don't retain as much as necessary. What a waste...
I'm thinking about "implementing" knowledge as a data "package" when a child is born. Then as the brain, or mind as you will, matures the package will gradually "unpack". Efficiency at it's elegance.
I'm thinking about "implementing" knowledge as a data "package" when a child is born. Then as the brain, or mind as you will, matures the package will gradually "unpack". Efficiency at it's elegance.
I hate language pollution. If you can't talk right, please just shut up. That's just my thought though.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka The current education system is inefficient. About twenty two years spent "learning", and we don't retain as much as necessary. What a waste...
I'm thinking about "implementing" knowledge as a data "package" when a child is born. Then as the brain, or mind as you will, matures the package will gradually "unpack". Efficiency at it's elegance.
I'm thinking about "implementing" knowledge as a data "package" when a child is born. Then as the brain, or mind as you will, matures the package will gradually "unpack". Efficiency at it's elegance.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by noobvious �� Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka The current education system is inefficient. About twenty two years spent "learning", and we don't retain as much as necessary. What a waste...
I'm thinking about "implementing" knowledge as a data "package" when a child is born. Then as the brain, or mind as you will, matures the package will gradually "unpack". Efficiency at it's elegance.
I'm thinking about "implementing" knowledge as a data "package" when a child is born. Then as the brain, or mind as you will, matures the package will gradually "unpack". Efficiency at it's elegance.
Look at it this way It might be languge pollution to most of you but it might be the best way to act like one of them to get out of bad situations not saying you should be in them but what you refer to as pollution is slang and im pretty sure if you knew a little slang when it called for it you would be glad you knew it
Personaly myself i do it alot of times but only when im around people i need to use it with for me it is a on and off switch I used to manage many people different types all with ego's and attitudes some not I had to learn how to talk with all of them and still keep my own way i was taught to speak english in tact not easy
Alot older generations surely wouldnt understand as to change of times but alot of older people are accepting it my father is 73 years old he has recently in the past 4 years been learning computers and building them i think that is way beyond change of times it shows other generations can adapt no matter how much they hate how people dress talk and carry themselves
In no way im protecting anyone who has went to school and had somewhat of a education if they blew it off that is thiere fault some people take what society thinks of them seriously others are just fumbling through life making excuses pretty much just wondering what side is everyone on ?
Personaly myself i do it alot of times but only when im around people i need to use it with for me it is a on and off switch I used to manage many people different types all with ego's and attitudes some not I had to learn how to talk with all of them and still keep my own way i was taught to speak english in tact not easy
Alot older generations surely wouldnt understand as to change of times but alot of older people are accepting it my father is 73 years old he has recently in the past 4 years been learning computers and building them i think that is way beyond change of times it shows other generations can adapt no matter how much they hate how people dress talk and carry themselves
In no way im protecting anyone who has went to school and had somewhat of a education if they blew it off that is thiere fault some people take what society thinks of them seriously others are just fumbling through life making excuses pretty much just wondering what side is everyone on ?
I believe people have this imbecilic idea embedded into their brains that speaking in an improper manner, slang as you will, makes them "cool". They believe that makes them "street smart" when in fact, no such thing exists except of minds of those inferior in intelligence or even those who are simply too lazy to move their tongue a few centimeters and excrete a little more CO2 to produce a sound which is a way our species communicate.
I'm afraid of my and future generations, I keep on seeing people corrupted by ignorance. I'm afraid of the world falling onto our hands.
I'm afraid of my and future generations, I keep on seeing people corrupted by ignorance. I'm afraid of the world falling onto our hands.
The worst was when I was at my fianc�e's orientation for her culinary school, which is part of the Art Institute. This guy gets up, who has a DOCTORATE, and starts babbling, every other freaking word was "like."
"Like, you can't just graduate from school, and like, expect to like, have a job just like handed to you. Like, you have to work hard, and like network with people when you are here. Like, talk to people, make like connections..."
I really just wanted to punch him.
"Like, you can't just graduate from school, and like, expect to like, have a job just like handed to you. Like, you have to work hard, and like network with people when you are here. Like, talk to people, make like connections..."
I really just wanted to punch him.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak The worst was when I was at my fianc�e's orientation for her culinary school, which is part of the Art Institute. This guy gets up, who has a DOCTORATE, and starts babbling, every other freaking word was "like."
"Like, you can't just graduate from school, and like, expect to like, have a job just like handed to you. Like, you have to work hard, and like network with people when you are here. Like, talk to people, make like connections..."
I really just wanted to punch him.
"Like, you can't just graduate from school, and like, expect to like, have a job just like handed to you. Like, you have to work hard, and like network with people when you are here. Like, talk to people, make like connections..."
I really just wanted to punch him.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by xarden �� Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak The worst was when I was at my fianc�e's orientation for her culinary school, which is part of the Art Institute. This guy gets up, who has a DOCTORATE, and starts babbling, every other freaking word was "like."
"Like, you can't just graduate from school, and like, expect to like, have a job just like handed to you. Like, you have to work hard, and like network with people when you are here. Like, talk to people, make like connections..."
I really just wanted to punch him.
"Like, you can't just graduate from school, and like, expect to like, have a job just like handed to you. Like, you have to work hard, and like network with people when you are here. Like, talk to people, make like connections..."
I really just wanted to punch him.
Im from Southern California land of ( Dude ) and (Awesome ) we would also be put in the same category as like this and like that but honestly us californians don't use likes as opposed to saying (Dude ) all the time
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Windows i7 920 I hate language pollution. If you can't talk right, please just shut up. That's just my thought though.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte �� Quote: Originally Posted by Windows i7 920 I hate language pollution. If you can't talk right, please just shut up. That's just my thought though.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte �� Quote: Originally Posted by Windows i7 920 I hate language pollution. If you can't talk right, please just shut up. That's just my thought though.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte �� Quote: Originally Posted by Windows i7 920 I hate language pollution. If you can't talk right, please just shut up. That's just my thought though.
As in, you can not communicate properly through spoken medium. :P
a yank telling a brit how to spell?
even epic-er!
check the oxford english dictionary, or do a quick google, my transatlantic cousin.
even epic-er!
check the oxford english dictionary, or do a quick google, my transatlantic cousin.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak �� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte �� Quote: Originally Posted by Windows i7 920 I hate language pollution. If you can't talk right, please just shut up. That's just my thought though.
As in, you can not communicate properly through spoken medium. :P
�� Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte a yank telling a brit how to spell?
even epic-er!
check the oxford english dictionary, or do a quick google, my transatlantic cousin.
even epic-er!
check the oxford english dictionary, or do a quick google, my transatlantic cousin.
If I recall correctly, cannot is used situations where you are unable to completely, as in, there is no way to can.
I cannot know who the guests are that are viewing this topic. Can not is when, under different circumstances, you can, like when someone can not speak correctly.
But it's really not here nor there, as my intended joke was received
I cannot know who the guests are that are viewing this topic. Can not is when, under different circumstances, you can, like when someone can not speak correctly.
But it's really not here nor there, as my intended joke was received
English is only my 2nd language (as a former European I obviously learned GB-EN) but I seem to recall that constructs like can't (can not), shan't (shall not) wouldn't( would not) are just as perfectly correct as don't and haven't and not considered "slang".
To all the language-pro's: please enlighten me if that's just another one of those quirks between GB-EN and US-EN
To stay on topic I admit that my biggest pet peeve if it comes to language (besides the use of "txt speek)" is the use of like as a "filler".
Where is that coming from? The Scooby-Doo Generaton ??
-DG
To all the language-pro's: please enlighten me if that's just another one of those quirks between GB-EN and US-EN
To stay on topic I admit that my biggest pet peeve if it comes to language (besides the use of "txt speek)" is the use of like as a "filler".
Where is that coming from? The Scooby-Doo Generaton ??
-DG
More like the butt-head kids I want to slap generation, lol.
That's why I have such a respect for my wife...I couldn't be a teacher in this country. I would probably slap those kids...lose my job and get thrown in jail within the first week
-DG
-DG
The English language has always been a dynamic and evolving language, continually adapted and adjusted to suit contemporary needs.
One generations pollution, is another generations standard. Just as preceding generations would find our current standard to be 'pollution' compared to their perceived standard.
Whilst irritating, phrases such as 'like, you know' are valid inclusions to the English lexicon because they are uniform and understood by many. Even the more widespread usages of acronyms and common misspellings like - lol, teh and pwnage are valid due to their uniformity.
With the widespread and prolific usage of net/txt speech, the same absorbed media (movies, TV, music etc) released worldwide with less disparity in time exposure than ever before - the adoption rate of a new standard, regardless of origin, is unprecedented. Language evolution is normal. The speed of which it's happening is new.
While this flux is occurring, it feels as if we are de-evolving the English language, rather than evolving. Nevertheless, it's still evolution. However, acknowledging this fact and liking it are certainly not mutually exclusive.
Personally, my brain hurts often having to digest some of the crap I hear and read.
One generations pollution, is another generations standard. Just as preceding generations would find our current standard to be 'pollution' compared to their perceived standard.
Whilst irritating, phrases such as 'like, you know' are valid inclusions to the English lexicon because they are uniform and understood by many. Even the more widespread usages of acronyms and common misspellings like - lol, teh and pwnage are valid due to their uniformity.
With the widespread and prolific usage of net/txt speech, the same absorbed media (movies, TV, music etc) released worldwide with less disparity in time exposure than ever before - the adoption rate of a new standard, regardless of origin, is unprecedented. Language evolution is normal. The speed of which it's happening is new.
While this flux is occurring, it feels as if we are de-evolving the English language, rather than evolving. Nevertheless, it's still evolution. However, acknowledging this fact and liking it are certainly not mutually exclusive.
Personally, my brain hurts often having to digest some of the crap I hear and read.
I also think it is regional here the U.S. I am from Ohio, and now live in Oklahoma, My wife is from Texas. She makes fun of me all the time because I tend to substitute "sometime" for "one time".
"We should go do that one time"
That is how everyone from where I am from talks. It's just like the fact that I make fun of her for saying "y'all". In my opinion it is both a regional and generation thing, I know when I was a teenager my Mom couldn't understand a thing I was saying and forced me to speak as proper as I could while home. Every generation has morphed the language and that will continue for as long as we exist. Very few, if any of us could travel back in time to even the 1920's and be able to understand the people. Just the way it is I guess....
"We should go do that one time"
That is how everyone from where I am from talks. It's just like the fact that I make fun of her for saying "y'all". In my opinion it is both a regional and generation thing, I know when I was a teenager my Mom couldn't understand a thing I was saying and forced me to speak as proper as I could while home. Every generation has morphed the language and that will continue for as long as we exist. Very few, if any of us could travel back in time to even the 1920's and be able to understand the people. Just the way it is I guess....
�� Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak If I recall correctly, cannot is used situations where you are unable to completely, as in, there is no way to can.
I cannot know who the guests are that are viewing this topic. Can not is when, under different circumstances, you can, like when someone can not speak correctly.
But it's really not here nor there, as my intended joke was received
I cannot know who the guests are that are viewing this topic. Can not is when, under different circumstances, you can, like when someone can not speak correctly.
But it's really not here nor there, as my intended joke was received
I cannot know who the guests are that are viewing this topic. Can not is when, under different circumstances, you can, like when someone can not speak correctly.
But it's really neither here, nor there, as my intended joke was received.
Fixt it for u.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SledgeDG That's why I have such a respect for my wife...I couldn't be a teacher in this country. I would probably slap those kids...lose my job and get thrown in jail within the first week
-DG
-DG
Reason??
If you do it wrong, she makes you do it over and over and over till you get it right.
Good one, spinifex...I might just do it wrong on purpose then...that sure has all the makings for an entertaining afternoon.
And thanks for clearing up the cannot/can't relations.
-DG
And thanks for clearing up the cannot/can't relations.
-DG
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SledgeDG Good one, spinifex...I might just do it wrong on purpose then...that sure has all the makings for an entertaining afternoon.
And thanks for clearing up the cannot/can't relations.
-DG
And thanks for clearing up the cannot/can't relations.
-DG
Wasn't (hope i can use this) me that sorted the cannot/can not. Just fixed some missing words/spelling for someone who was fixing someone else's.
I love a good stir.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by geeve420 I also think it is regional here the U.S. I am from Ohio, and now live in Oklahoma, My wife is from Texas. She makes fun of me all the time because I tend to substitute "sometime" for "one time".
"We should go do that one time"
That is how everyone from where I am from talks. It's just like the fact that I make fun of her for saying "y'all". In my opinion it is both a regional and generation thing, I know when I was a teenager my Mom couldn't understand a thing I was saying and forced me to speak as proper as I could while home. Every generation has morphed the language and that will continue for as long as we exist. Very few, if any of us could travel back in time to even the 1920's and be able to understand the people. Just the way it is I guess....
"We should go do that one time"
That is how everyone from where I am from talks. It's just like the fact that I make fun of her for saying "y'all". In my opinion it is both a regional and generation thing, I know when I was a teenager my Mom couldn't understand a thing I was saying and forced me to speak as proper as I could while home. Every generation has morphed the language and that will continue for as long as we exist. Very few, if any of us could travel back in time to even the 1920's and be able to understand the people. Just the way it is I guess....
Well, that's the last time I post tired. An Aussie had to come correct me?! Then you know it's bad lol.
Then you know it's bad lol. Quote:
An Aussie had to come correct me?! 
Then you know it's bad
Then you know it's bad �� Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak Well, that's the last time I post tired. An Aussie had to come correct me?! Then you know it's bad lol.
Then you know it's bad lol. 
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