Thứ Bảy, 9 tháng 7, 2016

Win7 works smoothly, then Suddenly slows down. part 1


Drewseph

I tried looking for a thread to help my problems, though all of them seemed to also be slow on start up as well, which is unfortunately not consistent with my issues..

My issue is really strange. I have Spy-ware doctor with anti-virus. I have had no problems in the past detecting virus' and fixing them. Searches have come up negative after an encounter with my problem.

When I start my computer its Lightning fast. I love it. Win7 performs solid and not laggy. I click on the start menu and it appears instantly, as with any window I go to. even with a large number of files, it visually loads all the files seamlessly. No waiting to stream in stuff. Programs run without a hitch!

Then suddenly.... at 3:30am-5am (sometime in between)

My computer enters some sort of funk. When I try to click to a new program, I have to wait 15 seconds or more just for the window to appear. When i click on the start menu and bottom tab for ANYTHING I will get no response for sometimes 2 minutes!

When I try to right click on the system icons on the right side, no tab opens for about 10 minutes (not exaggerating)

When I get into my task manager everything says its running smooth. Not crazy CPU usage is there. even my resource monitor shows nothing out of the usual.

When I restart my computer at this point it never shuts down. it will lag on the shutdowns screen forever (I left it on there for 12 hours once and it did not shut down)

At this point I have to manually force a shut down. and on restarting, guess what, EVERYTHING is fine. super fast again, no slow downs..... Until 3:30am-5am.... then next day it slows down again...

I should also note I have tried letting the computer sit in this slowed down state for 12 hours to see if it would get past it. it didn't.

Any help would be great!

My specs:
AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor
8.00 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series



richc46

If it is during a set time, someone maybe using your service.
If on wireless are you secure?
Run your antivirus and malwarebytes
Download and run malwarebytes full scan and after update.
I think your computer may be a zombie, being used by others to send out email etc.
Have any scheduled tasks at that time?

During that time, if you are up, run a clean boot, see if it still happens.If it does it is a certainty it is outside influence.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135

Drewseph

I am up at this time, which is why I notice it so darn much. After a reboot at that time it works perfectly smooth, on restart I full scan my computer and the only problems it finds are spy-ware from the few questionable sites I've been too. all low threat stuff. also the computer continues to perform lightning fast. it seems to only slow down at that time.

The computer is not on wireless. and I tend to leave my computer on at all times, thought because of this problem it gets restarted every day

richc46

I read, a long time ago, that most unwanted activity occurs in the early morning, when you are suppose to be asleep
Test with malwarebytes.

Orbital Shark

If you could get a snip/image of your Task Manager processes during this time that would come in handy too.

richc46

or maybe process explorer.

Drewseph

I'll try to get a screenshot next time it happens. As for it being maleware, Spy ware doctor hasn't found anything. also this computer is new, just 2 weeks. I have not been to any obviously stupid insecure sites. so I'm pretty sure I'm not infected.

can I only use malwarebytes at the time of the activation?

Orbital Shark

I would follow Rich's advice and download www.malwarebytes.org and see if that yields any results

Not that spy doctor is no good but you may need a second opinion

Drewseph

I just downloaded malwarebytes, My antivurus is going nuts. saying the installation is manipulating sensitive files on my computer.....

richc46

Use Microsoft Security Essentials, pretty thorough. You will have to uninstall the other.

You can scan with the free version of MB anytime you want.

Drewseph

okay I just finished a scan. no infections



richc46

You ran the full MB scan? It should take at least an hour.

Drewseph

no I did the quick >_> starting the full

richc46

The full will give the correct answer.
If it is clean we can try a few more tricks.

Drewseph

I just finished a scan. the only result is a "trojan" which isn't really a trojan. I'm quite certain of that fact.

richc46

Just before the the time for the problem, do a clean boot and see if it happnes
How to See Who is Using Your Wireless Internet | eHow.com

Also download process explorer and notice what happnes at the magic hours. More ram being used, or is it just internet slowdown?

Drewseph

Our router is protected and secure. also its not the internet that is slow. its my actual computer.

The one thing I have noticed actually. Previous persions on my c drive seems to have "date modified" and all of the times listed are around the Zero hour for my problem.

richc46

Its software, probably the anti virus, Look at task scheduler, what is scheduled for that time?

Its a schedulded maintenance job.

Meant to give you the clean boot link above, sorry about that
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135

The clean boot will help, too. Use clean boot at the witching hour.

Drewseph

What am I looking for in the task scheduler? I don't see anything listed for the times where my slow downs occur.

so you recommend I start in safe mode an hour before the slow downs and see if they happen?

richc46

No not safe mode
Clean boot , I gave you the link

You are looking for the time in scheduler, if none there then that is not the problem.

Drewseph

This is a screen for what I see. Sorry I am a noob at this computer stuff >_>

That clean boot link you sent me tell me a bunch of settings to change. will it be easy to revert them back to normal?



richc46

Clean boot, you untick the box. When done you tick them again

On task scheduler, in the left pane click on the various categories. You will see the schedules in each.

Drewseph

Zero hour came. The computer still slowed down. No abnormal processes were being done and no cpu increases were detected. I let it run until 12pm today until I restarted (had to force reboot)

I ran another maleware scan on spyware doctor, and the other maleware program. both were negative.


EDIT:

Investigating the logs....

An hour before Zero Hour:
Activation context generation failed for "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe AIR\Versions\1.0\Adobe AIR.dll".Error in manifest or policy file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe AIR\Versions\1.0\Adobe AIR.dll" on line 3. The value "MAJOR_VERSION.MINOR_VERSION.BUILD_NUMBER_MAJOR.BUILD_NUMBER_MINOR" of attribute "version" in element "assemblyIdentity" is invalid.


When stuck in shut down:

A timeout (30000 milliseconds) was reached while waiting for a transaction response from the sdCoreService service.

richc46

Lets think about this for a minute, together.
Every night at the same time

Has to be something running in the computer or
Something external affecting it.

We did malwarebytes
Antivirus and both an negative
You say that no process began to run at that hour

Im at a loss
Those are the only possiblities.
A malfunction happens anytime.

Put it in clean boot state for the entire period that the problem occurs.

Drewseph

=( I'm really just worried. My computer was made by PowerSpec. Maybe they have some sort of program running at that time? but that would be detected with maleware. gah this is so frustrating.

richc46

Do the clean boot tonight

Grimmjow

Before doing clean boot, physically disconnect your PC from net. That way you'll determine is it something external causing the problem or not. And way are you sure that the trojan detected is false positive? Are you absolutely sure about that? Do google search for it, or upload it to VirusTotal - Free Online Virus, Malware and URL Scanner see the results

About this:
Quote:
Activation context generation failed for "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe AIR\Versions\1.0\Adobe AIR.dll".Error in manifest or policy file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe AIR\Versions\1.0\Adobe AIR.dll" on line 3. The value "MAJOR_VERSION.MINOR_VERSION.BUILD_NUMBER_MAJOR.BUILD_NUMBER_MINOR" of attribute "version" in element "assemblyIdentity" is invalid.
You may want to uninstall Adobe reader, and try one of this:

Foxit Software - Foxit Reader for Windows

Tracker Software Products :: PDF Creation Software, Free PDF Viewer
They are great, fast and FREE pdf programs, and widely recommended from members of this forum and around interwebz
cheers

Drewseph

Thanks I'll be sure to give these a try tonight

AllThumbs

Just a thought:

If you have automatic Windows updates turned on, this is the time of day it is normally set up to take place and can be delayed by rebooting. I have noticed the same effects when "automatic updates" are being made, particularly on the first hours of the update dissemination to millions of computers. The automatic updates often make everything slow as molasses in the refrigerator. Also, the "automatic" update takes forever.

Next time you notice, do a manual update of Windows...

Drewseph

how do I turn this off?

EDIT: Zero hour came early today. 5 after midnight, and 10 min after a fresh reboot in clean boot mode..... everything came to a crawl.

richc46

Windows Update - Windows Automatic Updating - Vista Forums

Same as with 7

If you are going to try without the internet tonight and it does not work, dont forget about the clean boot.

Up dates are not every night, as suggested by your problem



boohbah

In start search ,type windows update,then in the update window on the left there is a change setting link in there ,change the settings via the dropdown that gives you the option. by important updates.

Edit: Richard lightning fingers beat me to it.

Drewseph

I decided to clean boot anyway. I restarted at 11:55. at 12:05am the slowdowns struck. Eerything came to a crawl. Yet my damn resource monitor showed NOTHING in terms of extra processes.

I could not shut down normally... yet again. I had to reboot by holding the shut down button on my case.

is there any way to log every damn thing my computer does?

richc46

This is like a soap opera.
Try the advice, tomorrow about disconnecting from the internet. Im sorry I did not think of that one. It has potential.

You can type event viewer in search to look for any errors or problems
There is a log that will give complete computer activity, but I cannot think of the name. I will post when I do, .

Drewseph

I actually pulled the plug on the net the second the slowdowns happened. They continued for 30 minutes until I shut down by force.

Since then I have restarted, updated windows .NET framework, and ATI drivers and turned off automatic checking for updates......

lets see what happens

AllThumbs

try deleting all cookies and LSO files!

Drewseph

I always empty my cookie folder. as for LSO, what is that exactly?

Drewseph

well, Sorry for the double posting. thought I'd update that there was no Witching hour last night. I am not sure if that's because I turned off updates. or updated to the most recent .NET

I'll report back the next time this occurs

AllThumbs

LSOs are files that have been acquiring as bad or worse reputation as cookies. They are usually from use of various products requiring Flash content. See the following links (hope you can take the verbosity):
Komando.com, Website for The Kim Komando Radio Show�, Komando Toolbox
Komando.com, Website for The Kim Komando Radio Show�, Komando Toolbox

Drewseph

So it happened again. I was able to get a screenshot of my recourse monitor window.

Left: NORMAL state, I restarted, and idled for 60 seconds and took a pic

Right: is during the system slowdown

richc46

Did you remove the internet connection before this happened?



Drewseph

yes I did

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