Hi all,i currently have the gtx 285 black edition,and i am looking at getting the xfx 5850 black edition,it looks like a nice card and is very cheap for its performance,but would like to know from a few experts point of views about the card and other cards,i know the 5870 is faster but allsow more exspencive(i can get 2 5850's for the price of 1 5870) and allsow if Nvidias 400 series with physx is better choice?
The 5850 is going to have better performance (not to mention DX11) than the 285.
The PhysX is only going to make a difference for PhysX enabled games.
I am not sure if 2 5850s will beat a 5870 in performance, but I can tell you that the advantages of having just 1 GPU outweigh the small price difference.
At least in my opinion.
~Lordbob
The PhysX is only going to make a difference for PhysX enabled games.
I am not sure if 2 5850s will beat a 5870 in performance, but I can tell you that the advantages of having just 1 GPU outweigh the small price difference.
At least in my opinion.
~Lordbob
Cool,thanx man,is bit rate important?The 285 is 512mb and the 2850 is 256...
bit rate is important but if you are looking for speed and increased fram rate you could just get the 5870
I can tell you i was considering the new 6800 series gpu but still will be slower then a 5870 and it is a 100,00 less at best
I can tell you right now i would lean more towards the 5870 im leaning towards it too all ati did was revamp a old card to bring it up to par thats all
I can tell you i was considering the new 6800 series gpu but still will be slower then a 5870 and it is a 100,00 less at best
I can tell you right now i would lean more towards the 5870 im leaning towards it too all ati did was revamp a old card to bring it up to par thats all
Ok,so you would rather take a 5870 tahn the 5850?And what about Nvidias fancy cuda and physx stuf?
not alot of games use physx yet but will be more soon if you want a nvidia type vidcard equal or more the gtx 480 fermi is the ticket but im a ati guy now and it would be more suitable to just pay a little extra for the big gun
I fear the prices really wont change till the new gpu's get settled in
I fear the prices really wont change till the new gpu's get settled in
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat 
Cool,thanx man,is bit rate important?The 285 is 512mb and the 2850 is 256...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Ok,so you would rather take a 5870 tahn the 5850?And what about Nvidias fancy cuda and physx stuf?
~Lordbob
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 �� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Cool,thanx man,is bit rate important?The 285 is 512mb and the 2850 is 256...
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Ok,so you would rather take a 5870 tahn the 5850?And what about Nvidias fancy cuda and physx stuf?
~Lordbob
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Hi all,i currently have the gtx 285 black edition,and i am looking at getting the xfx 5850 black edition,it looks like a nice card and is very cheap for its performance,but would like to know from a few experts point of views about the card and other cards,i know the 5870 is faster but allsow more exspencive(i can get 2 5850's for the price of 1 5870) and allsow if Nvidias 400 series with physx is better choice?
With that said. I'd look into AMD's newly released HD 6800 series cards. The HD 6870 in particular smokes any HD 5850 in the market right now for about ~$30 less, and they scale remarkably well (surpasing NVIDIA's SLI scaling level performance).
But If I were you, I'd wait until ~mid November for Cayman (AMD's HD 6900 series cards), they are touting these cards like the next R300 (Radeon 9700 Pro, probably the best card of all time).
I don't know slaker i been reading these cards barley match a 5850 if you can shoot me some of your reviews i might still look into that gpu all i have to do is order it
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines I don't know slaker i been reading these cards barley match a 5850 if you can shoot me some of your reviews i might still look into that gpu all i have to do is order it
Radeon HD 6870 Bad Company 2 Performance | bit-tech.net
There you go.
thanks not much of a diffrence from the 5870 from that card by almost 8 [points very nice thank you
I wouldn't exactly base my decision on just that....
- Rage3D.com : AMD Radeon HD 6870 & HD 6850 Launch Review [ Gaming Performance - 1920x1080 ]
- Radeon HD 6870 vs 5870 *|*Visualdreamers.com
- Rage3D.com : AMD Radeon HD 6870 & HD 6850 Launch Review [ Gaming Performance - 1920x1080 ]
- Radeon HD 6870 vs 5870 *|*Visualdreamers.com
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 I wouldn't exactly base my decision on just that....
- Rage3D.com : AMD Radeon HD 6870 & HD 6850 Launch Review [ Gaming Performance - 1920x1080 ]
- Radeon HD 6870 vs 5870 *|*Visualdreamers.com
- Rage3D.com : AMD Radeon HD 6870 & HD 6850 Launch Review [ Gaming Performance - 1920x1080 ]
- Radeon HD 6870 vs 5870 *|*Visualdreamers.com
these were benchmarks tested on a regular clocked card im sure later in the year or some point there will be modified cards available if people already havnt done it themselves
i currently know of one card clocked supposedly 50 % tweak or voltage tweak they called it and thats the asus 6870 im not sure how 13mhz will impact the strength of the card but im sure the clock can go way above 13 mhz which i oc'ed the hd5770 100mhz over so i would probally end up going with this card by the time the price drops i will probally be on my way to building a new rig again
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines well defently not just that i was thanking him for information which seems to be the focal point here....
What I should have said was depending on the game, the card will either be close or clearly outmatched. And looking at Rage's review, the card barely keeps up with a 5850
And remember in the other thread I said I was thinking about getting one based on the price
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Considering the price I'm still debating on whether to get one or not. It's still an upgrade over my 4890, and who knows when the better cards will be released, what the availability will be, and of course pricing??? So.....
It's all good
yea i understand I kinda leaning in differnt directions right now cause i originally wanted that card based i was going to sell the current 5770 but instead the guy that wanted said he didnt want to pay for a card that has been used a while which i can understand so ...
Now im thinking should i save a few hundred and then drop enough to grab a 5870 cause i was even looking at the gtx480fermi but that would just be reckless
so if i did get that card i would be saving alot and that would be my xmas gift cause my wife and daughter is getting the rest hahaha
Now im thinking should i save a few hundred and then drop enough to grab a 5870 cause i was even looking at the gtx480fermi but that would just be reckless
so if i did get that card i would be saving alot and that would be my xmas gift cause my wife and daughter is getting the rest hahaha
Wow,i was cinda left out of this toppic for a while.Haha,thanx 4 the advice i am gonna spend a bit more and get the 5870,its setled,i wanted the 480 but i red it uses allot more power and has a heat of 96c. Does any one know the idle and full run temps of the 5870?
maybe this will help you out this is what my gpu runs like but i also got like 5 fans in and around the system too but i have seen most with close to the same temp structure
and even though the fan speed is 70% i can knock it back down and it will remain 45 c sometimes drops to 41c
and even though the fan speed is 70% i can knock it back down and it will remain 45 c sometimes drops to 41c
Cool,thanx man,but i see yours is the 5700 series,is that the idle temperature?Whats the highest yours ever gone and are you happy with it,how does it handle games, i wanna play in HD,and have every thing on highest they can be...can the card handle it?Oh and i have 11 fans in my case one who is 25cm,on my gtx 285 the highest temp i got was 76c,so i dont want it hotter than that.But mainly i want to play EVERY THING on the best and highest possible.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Wow,i was cinda left out of this toppic for a while.Haha,
If you feel one of your threads is getting side tracked, gently nudge us in the right direction
As for your decision to go with a 5870, it is a good card and certainly powerful enough for today's games on those on the horizon.
To put things in perspective, my 4890 still performs beautifully, yeah it's not a DirectX 11 card, but I've yet to get any DX11 games. Currently playing Fallout New Vegas, just finished Dragon Age: Origins. No Issues.
As for idle and run temps, all I can say is my 4890 idles around 63ish, run temps around 90ish I guess.
Good luck on your choice, good card.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Cool,thanx man,but i see yours is the 5700 series,is that the idle temperature?Whats the highest yours ever gone and are you happy with it,how does it handle games, i wanna play in HD,and have every thing on highest they can be...can the card handle it?Oh and i have 11 fans in my case one who is 25cm,on my gtx 285 the highest temp i got was 76c,so i dont want it hotter than that.But mainly i want to play EVERY THING on the best and highest possible.
just depends on you're set up my card works beautifull but im going to upgrade a new gpu soon so ill have to retest temps the highest my gpu has ever gone was 81c due to a vigorous stress test but other then that the max i seen besides the stress test was 55-65c which is not bad for playing games most of the day when im off work
Just for perspective, anything over about 85C (for a gaming card) is getting a little high.
Also, my 260GTX idles at around 40C, load (stress test) at around 71.
~Lordbob
Also, my 260GTX idles at around 40C, load (stress test) at around 71.
~Lordbob
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 Just for perspective, anything over about 85C (for a gaming card) is getting a little high.
Also, my 260GTX idles at around 40C, load (stress test) at around 71.
~Lordbob
Also, my 260GTX idles at around 40C, load (stress test) at around 71.
~Lordbob
I can tell you that my 4890 idles around 61ish, down from 67ish -Lowered GPU temps by 6 degrees!. Those high idle temps aren't unusal for that card.
Anyways regarding the 5870.... ATI Radeon HD 5870 DX11 Video Card Review - Temperature Testing - Legit Reviews
Thanx all,sygnus21 i checked the link you added on your last post and saw the temps were low for that card and the performance seems to be real good,better then my current gtx 285.And the power usage is allso great.But i still wonder about the cuda and physx of nvidia,but the 5870 seems to have higher mhz ect than even the 480,the 480 only wins in memory.Its bad that the 5870 only has 1gig memory...
I don't think that 1 gig of memory will be an issue. There have been no compliants in that area.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 Just for perspective, anything over about 85C (for a gaming card) is getting a little high.
Also, my 260GTX idles at around 40C, load (stress test) at around 71.
~Lordbob
Also, my 260GTX idles at around 40C, load (stress test) at around 71.
~Lordbob
I can tell you that my 4890 idles around 61ish, down from 67ish -Lowered GPU temps by 6 degrees!. Those high idle temps aren't unusal for that card.
Anyways regarding the 5870.... ATI Radeon HD 5870 DX11 Video Card Review - Temperature Testing - Legit Reviews
~Lordbob
Buy in the end you all agree the 5870 would be a good buy?Or should i go for nvidia's same price cards?
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Buy in the end you all agree the 5870 would be a good buy?Or should i go for nvidia's same price cards?
According to AMD, these cards will be the real deal (HD 6950 and HD 6970).
�� Quote: Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy �� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Buy in the end you all agree the 5870 would be a good buy?Or should i go for nvidia's same price cards?
According to AMD, these cards will be the real deal (HD 6950 and HD 6970).
1- Availability.... Will you be able to get one of the new cards. There has been issues in the past with availability... which leads to the second consideration....
2- Pricing.... Considering the price of the 5870, are you willing to pay the asking price these new cards.... especially if they're in short supply?
Personally I'd wait till after the new year, than see how things pan out. But.... if you can't wait, and need a new card now, you could go with the 5870, or get something cheaper to tide you over till you decide on the newer 6000 series.
My two cents.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 �� Quote: Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy �� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Buy in the end you all agree the 5870 would be a good buy?Or should i go for nvidia's same price cards?
According to AMD, these cards will be the real deal (HD 6950 and HD 6970).
1- Availability.... Will you be able to get one of the new cards. There has been issues in the past with availability... which leads to the second consideration....
2- Pricing.... Considering the price of the 5870, are you willing to pay the asking price these new cards.... especially if they're in short supply?
Personally I'd wait till after the new year, than see how things pan out. But.... if you can't wait, and need a new card now, you could go with the 5870, or get something cheaper to tide you over till you decide on the newer 6000 series.
My two cents.
Availability MIGHT be an issue with these cards (I don't think it will but, who knows), but price definitely won't.
If the HD 6970 debuts at a much higher price than that of the HD 5870 (very much likely), there's still the HD 6950 to look after. Which everyone believes will sport similar to superior performance baseline vs HD 5870 @ a similar price.
Either way, It's a win-win situation for the OP.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Thanx all,sygnus21 i checked the link you added on your last post and saw the temps were low for that card and the performance seems to be real good,better then my current gtx 285.And the power usage is allso great.But i still wonder about the cuda and physx of nvidia,but the 5870 seems to have higher mhz ect than even the 480,the 480 only wins in memory.Its bad that the 5870 only has 1gig memory...
1.5...Good points all the above,but when taking in concideration of what you said i think i might just tkae the 5870 and next year i will look at the 6000 series,but for now i need a card this week,so its gotta be the 5870,but if i am gonna replace it anyway i can get the 5850 black edition for about 600 rands cheaper.If i slap another 300 rand with the saved 600 i can get a nother 6 gig a second black hardrive 1TB.....
Check this link XFX HD 5850 Review � Page 14 - Testing: 3DMark 06 - Overclockers Club and just click on the site at the bottem on nr 14-3d mark06,there you will see the difference in performance between the 5870 and 5850 black edition is not more than 300 in the scores,and on 3d mark vantage the 5850 black edition beats the 5870....even if its just by a few.My point is the 5870 is better at some scores,but i save allot on the 5850 black edition,it is on promotion....you see my dilemma?
I see your dilima I also mentioned if you oc'ed a 5850 or a 6870 you might match the 5870 all together
It's just a matter of adjusting the clock the big difference between the two is the stream processors
It's just a matter of adjusting the clock the big difference between the two is the stream processors
Well i was reading a bit on the 6800 gpu the 6870 requires a 2x6 pin adapter i saw that as a problem but i could also buy a adapter cable to fix the situation which would allow me the 2x6 pin
for the life of me i don't know why they changed the pwer situation it would be like running two gpu's and it is only 1 how wierd is that
for the life of me i don't know why they changed the pwer situation it would be like running two gpu's and it is only 1 how wierd is that
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines Well i was reading a bit on the 6800 gpu the 6870 requires a 2x6 pin adapter i saw that as a problem but i could also buy a adapter cable to fix the situation which would allow me the 2x6 pin
for the life of me i don't know why they changed the pwer situation it would be like running two gpu's and it is only 1 how wierd is that
for the life of me i don't know why they changed the pwer situation it would be like running two gpu's and it is only 1 how wierd is that
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines Well i was reading a bit on the 6800 gpu the 6870 requires a 2x6 pin adapter i saw that as a problem but i could also buy a adapter cable to fix the situation which would allow me the 2x6 pin
for the life of me i don't know why they changed the pwer situation it would be like running two gpu's and it is only 1 how wierd is that
for the life of me i don't know why they changed the pwer situation it would be like running two gpu's and it is only 1 how wierd is that
These cards are getting more and more powerful thus they require more and more juice.
well it really isn't a big deal anymore knowing i can get a adapter for the extra 6 pin
Sometime down the road you'll want a power supply with multi PCI-E connectors for the card as I've seen some recommendations against using adapters. On the flip side, some cards come with the adapters, mine did.
Check to site to see if your card does as well. Most places will list what's in the box.
And to be honest a lot of mid to high end cards will require this multi PCI-E power connection anyway so it helps to have a power supply that already has them.
BTW the card that I have is an XFX 4890 and as you can see, it shipped with two adapters.
Check to site to see if your card does as well. Most places will list what's in the box.
And to be honest a lot of mid to high end cards will require this multi PCI-E power connection anyway so it helps to have a power supply that already has them.
BTW the card that I have is an XFX 4890 and as you can see, it shipped with two adapters.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Sometime down the road you'll want a power supply with multi PCI-E connectors for the card as I've seen some recommendations against using adapters. On the flip side, some cards come with the adapters, mine did.
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Check to site to see if your card does as well. Most places will list what's in the box.
And to be honest a lot of mid to high end cards will require this multi PCI-E power connection anyway so it helps to have a power supply that already has them.
BTW the card that I have is an XFX 4890 and as you can see, it shipped with two adapters.
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Check to site to see if your card does as well. Most places will list what's in the box.
And to be honest a lot of mid to high end cards will require this multi PCI-E power connection anyway so it helps to have a power supply that already has them.
BTW the card that I have is an XFX 4890 and as you can see, it shipped with two adapters.
anyway i am running a cool max 600w supply which i got only cause i needed 1x6 pin i wasn't thinking crossfire or anything kinda thought one gpu is good enough vs two if you get a good one
so on to my point when i did a search just to see if it was possible to just adapt the 6 pin i thought g quick fix but honestly by next year sometime i will have built a whole new rig and this current one i am on going to the upstairs 42 inch vizio for the same thing im doing in me and my wife's room 2 monitor link and hd movie surrond sound entertainment for her and the little one
games for me
I pretty much have a few plans in the works and would like to share sooner or later
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines Thanks for the info originally i was going to buy a new psu anyway i already had my eye on a 750w with 4 pci e connectors and a couple 4 pins if im not mistaken i could use a 4pin and 2 to make a 6 right ?
However if the card comes with those adapters use them. Then later on when funds are right, upgrade the power supply.
im going to double check my psu box seems im better off with the adapters i have one 4 pin extra i just dont have the 2 pin
Well thanx 4 all the replies,i know what to get.
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat Well thanx 4 all the replies,i know what to get.
no problem you might want to mark this thread solved in the right hand corner triangle and rep all who helped you thanks
Just a quick update i could not decide between the 5850 and the 5870 so i bought the 6870 instead!
hows it running?
Don't know yet,still waiting for the return of my motherboard from asus,it was faulty,i will upload a screen shot of the 3dmark 06 scores i get.Cant wait to put it in!!
yeah well looks like ill be getting mine at the end of this month im putting together a plan i just turned the MLAA feature on my 5770 at first the flash was acting funny but now it is under control
Darn I'm missing out on all this goodness as I'm still using a 4890. Will get a new card next year
�� Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 Darn I'm missing out on all this goodness as I'm still using a 4890. Will get a new card next year
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines I think you're card is supported for the MLAA try it out see if it works they have a list of cards it works on
I'm not losing sleep over it anyway so it doesn't matter to me. I'll worry about it when I move to a 6000 card
BTW I have 10.10 hotfix drivers installed.
What i like about the 6870 is that it has the lowest power consumption of all the 6000 and 5000 series's and with a few case fans it runs at 63-70c at full load,and its allot faster than the 5850 and very close to the 5870 on normal games,but it really shines on games with high requirements(don't know about that personally cause i don't have my mother board yet
)but that is what the reviews say.
)but that is what the reviews say. well im hoping by the end of this month i will be using one seems like i have obsticles in my way right now hahaha but who doesn't just seems when you plan things other things come from left field
knowing me though i will have it just in the < great nick > of time lol before xmas
I sure they'll be everywhere by then
next year im hoping i will be able to build this new rig im eyeing and use this one im on for the upstairs 42 inch vizio
knowing me though i will have it just in the < great nick > of time lol before xmas
I sure they'll be everywhere by then
next year im hoping i will be able to build this new rig im eyeing and use this one im on for the upstairs 42 inch vizio
Haha nice,i am running it on the 24inch samsung but when i get my mb back i am gonna put it on a 56inch LED tv and play Arcania and crysis for a while,just to see how it looks.Good luck on buying your card,hope it performs as well as i hope mine will
This thread (and the new rig thread) makes me want to grab some new parts and build another rig....
~Lordbob
~Lordbob
If money was NOT an option i would upgrade every day just to have that feeling of running a new rig the first time!!!!!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by alsisgevat if money was not an option i would upgrade every day just to have that feeling of running a new rig the first time!!!!!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 This thread (and the new rig thread) makes me want to grab some new parts and build another rig....
~Lordbob
~Lordbob
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat If money was NOT an option i would upgrade every day just to have that feeling of running a new rig the first time!!!!!
The building is fun but the best part is the first time you switch it on and run a benchmark that blows your old score to bits!!
Finnaly got a new board,and ran the card on 3dmark06,my previous card gtx285 scored 19578 on basic default setting and on full hd all at the max it scored 11236.But the ati scored 20093 on the default setting.(not much of an improvement) BUT on the highest settings with everything at its best it scored 17588!!!!(allot better than 11236) So as stated in the cards review it stands out under high pressure.
This is with a 6870?
That's what he is saying pretty much
Yeah,its Saphire's 6870,why?Is it a bad score?Because i only compare it to my previous card (gtx 285 black edition)
My pc specs are: MB- Rampage III Formula
CPU- Intel i7 950
GFX- ATI saphire 6870
RAM-2x Kingston 3x2gig high heatsink 1600. (12gig)
HD- 1TB 6g/s wd, 1TB wd.
My pc specs are: MB- Rampage III Formula
CPU- Intel i7 950
GFX- ATI saphire 6870
RAM-2x Kingston 3x2gig high heatsink 1600. (12gig)
HD- 1TB 6g/s wd, 1TB wd.
I have the XFX 5850 black edition and havent been disappointed.
swarfega I wanted that card, what is your default 3d mark06 score and your full hd all highest 3dmark 06 scores?
well today is my day im buying my 6870 im just waiting for the market to open and im ready to go
Im going with the diamond series 6870 unless they have the asus available
Looking at other 6870 the packages they come with are good extra power cables and even 2 crossfire strips
Im looking forward to posting after im done with everything ill keep you guys up to date have a good day everyone im super excited
Im going with the diamond series 6870 unless they have the asus available
Looking at other 6870 the packages they come with are good extra power cables and even 2 crossfire strips
Im looking forward to posting after im done with everything ill keep you guys up to date have a good day everyone im super excited
Enjoy it!!
i am i got it already running only thing i am missing is the MLAA feature other then that it runs well
The MLAA is countered for by the other amazing transfer speeds it has and the fact that you can run 6 screens on it and you can watch in 3d!
�� Quote: Originally Posted by Alsisgevat swarfega I wanted that card, what is your default 3d mark06 score and your full hd all highest 3dmark 06 scores?
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